Jonathan McReynolds worries about Black rhythm

[@abijerome7178]

Many churches aren't singing hymns anymore and I miss that !!

[@nc3919]

I have to disagree with Jon on one point. At 19:45, he suggested that gospel music was at one point “uneducated, simple and not ultra deep”. Brotha, that is far from correct. I submit to you that gospel music was defined by a specific, deep and complicated experience, and the message was filled with hope for a people that sought to not only have a seat at the table but actively looked for their “blessed hope” beyond this life. A lot of the CCM and even gospel music today has no true message. Repeating the same 7 word line over and over isn’t a message to me. That’s one of the reasons I like Jon’s music. It may not sound like traditional gospel but he consistently comes with a message. There are very few artists these days that can really say that. I submit to you that the more “educated” we have become and have a small seat at the table, I wonder if we have gotten a little comfortable and moved away from seeking “the blessed hope” so much, therefore it’s not reflected in our music as much. And that cuts across all Americans, not just white or black. Just my opinion.

[@chellemiller9046]

When Leon said, "This is foolishness", I laughed so hard. I've been enjoying these casual Mondays.

[@JMACFANPAGE]

That part when Leon asked Jon does He make Gospel music!😭 Thad “we make life room music “😂

[@ahsanrogers]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@christtempleofneworleans4712]

U y

[@javonmaye2637]

😂

[@jamiejamie330.]

I think our beauty IS in the improv/ soul. AND our education is informal. I moved to Cali from the Midwest and was a little disheartened to realize that the dominant culture took our informal education, watered it down, renamed it, and told us we lacked education. Our children are not grasping that organic “thing” that Black people have bc they’re just not spending enough time under their elders/ teachers.

[@Leesh88]

Gospel or Christian music, black or white, many artists have talent but lack the anointing, and the music shows.

[@dorethagates2927]

Amen, they don't have the anointing to do it,

[@MaryBieber7]

A great point was brought up about the lingering segregation of the body of Christ. I personally stopped listening to stations like K-LOVE because they only play white artists with a sprinkle of Lecrae (the white church’s favorite token lol). My final straw came when they repeatedly played a white remake of Tasha Cobbs’ “This is A Move” song, but wouldn’t play the original song. 😒 This is my Maverick City Music is so necessary.

[@cup_of_reason5393]

in MIchigan K Love took the black music channel and they push the black gospel music channel to an unknown network where you only can here it in certain areas. Then, like you said will not play black music, playing parities like Shackles by mary mary but by a white artist and this is a move by hillsong only. So I've been on Maverick for a while, we need to stand together and cause a shift and change.

[@bracken5749]

It's sad. K-Love literally acknowledged Michael W. Smith behind Way Maker, took all the credit, yet it's originally by Sinach. Try vice versa with a "white song", you can find yourself sued. 🙄

[@Anne-ku3lj]

Jonnnnnathon! Hi. Please bring back Monday casuals it’s the best. Please make it a (monthly?) thing. You and your friends are a whole vibe.

[@TaiwoPeterOdeh]

I love and appreciate these conversations. Thank you for uploading!

[@beechannel27]

This was such an enlightening conversation. You always say what needs to be said. 😊❤

[@elaynek4592]

🗣Through all of this humor, this conversation should be offered up on a broader level.💁🏾 The One -Three of it all

[@joycelockett6463]

Does our worship bring us into the Presence of God or does it really cater to our flesh? Some gospel music has some doubt and unbelief in it. I learned over the years what the Lord approves--that which honors Him for real. Bless you guys.

[@cmuse80]

This was a great conversation. Having grown up in the COGIC and COG arena, I miss the style of music we used to have regularly in church. I find myself making my kids watch a lot of videos or listen to songs like "God don't need no matches" 😆 just so they can have this style of music as part of their experience. And I also make them practice clapping on 2&4 because they definitely default to 1&3!!! 🤦🏽‍♀️😆. Keep up the great conversations you guys!!

[@stacey4you]

This topic was so necessary and funny! Love you guys!

[@BukolaPereira]

Wow! Food for thought. I love it. Thank you all 🙏.

[@DorotheasFavs]

I did not expect this to turn into a philosophical discussion. 😂 But yes we need rhythm ambassadors. That job used to belong to choir directors, but we don’t have choirs anymore for the most part.

[@sharismith3433]

I Love Genuine Worship.

[@khennedygandy8862]

I’m glad you talked about Churches getting away from shouting. I attend non denominational church but sometimes I need a praise break, I think people are lacking the understanding that dancing, doing the praise break is a spiritual weapon.

[@BukolaPereira]

By the way, the JONO introduction of the crew got me cracking 😂👏. Well done, everyone.

[@xavianthomas9646]

🤣🤣rappin "adippi..dippi DAPPA duo..dah" ..the 1/3 offacation...😂 I'm done thad" is that better now!!🤭

[@kendrallove7562]

I can’t describe how much I really enjoyed this show! And the topic is so time-sensitive, and you deliver it with seriousness and with humor! I really have been looking for gospel musician podcasts. I was curious if other musicians were thinking the same things as me. Thank you so much Jonathan! Also I just live the creativity with the transitions: using Jonathan’s trademark “eeeee-eeehhh” Cycles sound (aka “Jonathan’s mating call” according to Jonathan’s 30th B’Day McRoast show). EDIT: If you all have a conference about this topic I will be there!

[@joycelockett6463]

Whether black or white, does what and how we worship really glorify God and is He pleased with it? Is is from the HOLY SPIRIT that is going to matter with Jesus Christ our Lord. Race will not matter when the Son of God appears. Amen.

[@valeriejones3808]

Learn to laugh. Our ancestors music had rhythm and from our soul. Black people know race won't matter in heaven. We didn't create that construct nor the separatism. White people did. We do have cultural differences and its okay.

[@joycelockett6463]

The Lord showed me years ago that the culture believers need to adopt is the culture of Heaven. We need to remember Satan has a very organized kingdom and he knows how to divide the ONE race God created and that's the HUMAN RACE.@@valeriejones3808

[@nkeveo6967]

@@joycelockett6463 The scripture tells us that the nations will bring their glory into His kingdom. We "African Americans" are the children of Judah. Judah means praise. We have our glory to offer to God the way He has given His anointing to flow through us. Another family/nation of the earth will glorify God the way He has blessed them to flow, but we are all still worshipping & praising the most High. The families of Japheth will praise him the way they do. They family of Ham & Shem will praise Him with the rhythm for we are the rhythm nations. It's all to the glory, honor & praise of God, His Majesty. It was a lie when they told blacks not to use drums, make a joyful noise & dance, when all these commands are in scripture just as it is written to sing sweetly & sing hymns unto God. When it is from the heart, He accepts it.

[@joycelockett6463]

Excellent explanation, Jonathan. Yes, it's Life Music that glorifies Jesus.

[@CB-jz2dn]

I'm hoping you record a remix of GRACE with extended version......you can include a lengthy instrumehtal section with repeated stanzas. That's my song of the Century.

[@TaiwoPeterOdeh]

If Black music is largely "soul", can soul be taught? Is it transgenerational? If it's not in you, can you replicate what you don't have?

[@billde6478]

Nope! This is why I believe soulfulness, which is deeply embedded in Gospel, cannot be taught,

[@Anne-ku3lj]

‘All music is black music’ 🎤 🙌🏾

[@Quijuandas]

“What kind of brother are you?” 😂😂😂

[@Kim_L_Simmons]

Your pre dump and the post dump 🤣This was a good topic…🙌🏾👏🏾

[@karrey2706]

Kenya is probably one of the most adaptive countries I know of because we sing all of that, including other African countries' styles. Could stem from the fact that there are many tribes here and we're always borrowing from each other or adapting our music to the different crowds...as long as the people follow :)

[@jahniyahh46]

"I am the laxative and I am the flush" took me out hahahahaha help me Jesus.

[@monicab968]

Not the pre- and postdump. I was done with the laxative and the flush. So is the 1&3 Immodium or Kaopectate?

[@amritproductionz]

Christ representers 💯💯💯💯

[@CB-jz2dn]

Most (if not all) rap music is NOT authentically written. The lyrics are 'given' to the rappers to negatively indoctrinate a people, giving artists 20 pieces of silver for 15 minutes of fame. It's something we really need to pray about.

[@ConsuelaEsseboom]

I grew up in an all black church and to be honest, I used to just clap too whenever there was a praise break. Might even just tap my hand on my thigh or on top of my other hand Dumbledore style. I've never been into praise breaks because so often it felt more emotional to me than spiritual. Hoopla really is the right word. Like entertainment. Also, being the introvert and highly sensitive person that I am I don't like too much noise. Sensory overload is always around the corner. But my attitude has always been that's my personal preference. Just because something isn't for you, does not mean it is neccessarily wrong.

[@joshuasnell2191]

Great conversation!

[@twil6098]

This is so true young man

[@SteadfastWorshipper577]

I don’t even know the difference between 1,3 and 2,4 🥴

[@allisoncole5886]

Guys I really enjoyed listening to this on my lunch break.

[@lateshajohnson3622]

So good to see your focus 👏👏👏

[@estherjackline7921]

Am soooo waiting to hear this

[@TierraScarborough]

This is accurate! Those who are not real always "overplay"

[@sharondamcqueen8131]

Pls jhonthan show us a face of what it looks like to be free facings in chruch.

[@banthony620]

I'm Leon through the whole conversation

[@CreunisLors]

for so many years i was looking for a book or something to learn black gospel music could never find one 😩

[@chinouyamale]

this is a GMWA workshop in the making!!! By the way, the Black SDA's have their own sound an d it's not necessarily a gospel sound but its categorized as gospel.

[@queenarielle4208]

Can’t wait! ❤️

[@KC-YouTubeName]

DOPE conversation fellas!

[@JenniferKamberipa]

No Monday casual today? 😞

[@matthewheard1814]

We let it happen on family feud and it infiltrated gospel music.

[@IzzyNewman]

I knew this topic was gonna come up eventually.

[@latricebyrd313]

Praise God great time, Im expecting it.

[@nichicamelton]

"I am the laxative and the flush" Lawd I was not ready for that one. 🤣🤣 I don't think that's part of the name it and claim it mantra.🤣🤓

[@sbb.8677]

Through humility, see humanity. ~ Shanna Kaiser This quote for me embodies how God has blessed me to come in contact with Jonathan Mcreynolds' music and make it a soundtrack for now and life's coming attractions. As always, thank you Mr. Introvert, Mr. Intuitive, Mr. Introspection, and Mr. Ingenuity (Cal McRey, Thaddy-Yaddy, Prince Leo, and Dee-Dons) respectively for the relational dynamics that make up Monday Casual. It's so nostalgic for me. BE SAFE. STAY SAFE.

[@jasonmedley2524]

I have know idea what the bleep bleep y'all was talk'n bout but it "dumpin" sounded funny!

[@davidisliving]

I’m the pre-dump and the post-dump. The laxative and the flush. How bout alpha and omega? 😂😆

[@thandekangoqo9717]

Lol Leon is always drinking on Monday casual 😯🙃😂

[@jeremynswana]

24:10 Jono: "I will make you think about why you dump. 🙂" Jono literally seconds after: *😳* also Jono: "anyway, this is getting a lil’ weird...dump."

[@sharondamcqueen7404]

Jhonthan always covers his grounds of how gospel music is supposed to be transformed.. sm

[@EOOgunro]

Not the laxative and the flush 😂😂😂😂

[@Joce-bl7qi]

Did this man really just say I am the laxative and I am the flush??? 😳😳😆💨🚽🥴

[@sharondamcqueen7404]

They notice that ccm is strong on the 123...

[@moniquewrites9046]

So I have a completely different POV. My first church was actually a Pentecostal Church. And Pentecostal churches sing “black gospel” music. I don’t think it’s gentrification. I think that’s how their movement started. I also had Hispanic friends growing up. Texas is influenced by Hispanic culture. The 1 and 3 is normal for Hispanic churches. I definitely think that we need to fight for our roots but if Tasha Cobbs Leonard sings Mary Had a Little Lamb, it’s not going to sound like if Kari Jobe sang it. Both versions will be anointed but you can not ever take the rich heritage that is in the DNA of Leonard away. But I will say, I listened to Fantasia sing Total Praise and it was something I’ve not heard in a long time. Great discussion guys.

[@jackiebracken2804]

Dump the house 🏠 lol enjoyed this😁

[@RobynLouise86]

Are these over now?

[@sherrylynn3304]

Why is it necessary for the two...gospel and Christian to come together and blend?

[@phillthomas7368]

born 1986, raised in a Pentecostal Church in Baltimore City and I genuinely have no idea what y'all are talking about. I can't keep the rhythm for nothing, I need my (Pennsylvania dutch) wife to explain what "clapping on the ones and threes" means. I don't understand what is correct about what you are saying but I am the evidence that you are right.

[@claykingmuzik]

1&3 clapping is verified bluegrass lol

[@emjay1606]

I not breathing. Please help😂

[@maloneaqua]

We say because it’s “soul,” therefore, it’s on the blood and you either have it or you don’t. But I think that’s a missed opportunity.

[@chrism9294]

I’m trying to imagine a Christian Vegas but all I’m coming up with is a regular vacation spot.

[@christianstewart4310]

John you tellin!😏

[@banthony620]

The music isn't about us, it's about the gospel being spread. Don't choose the method over the message

[@kaysheryl]

Where has Leon been?! They make life music 😂

[@SharleenEvett]

LOVE THIS BUT....... Some Of Jon's music is 1 & 3 lol..... White PPL ARE DEFINITELY CLAPPIN 1 & 3 ON NOT LUCKY BUT LOVED LOL 😭

[@shaymay2892]

I concur he's talking about this, but none of his music sounds "gospel"

[@emecooksday1368]

Lol...y'all make Monday special

[@nichicamelton]

IF, you've been paying attn (shade to indicate that you indeed have not been paying attn) we make Life music Leon. (shade to indicate that you need to get your mind right and follow along)🤣🤣🤣

[@kevyan9329]

COOL !!!!

[@saemstunes]

" I will make you think about why you dump" Jonathan McReynolds. 2021 ps: its definitely taken out of context, don't quote. Remember, Jonno's the angel here

[@modejoe020]

👆👆👆⬆️👆👆👆

[@sharondamcqueen8131]

The cultural is divided by race

[@sharondamcqueen8131]

church. Culture of races was born on a dividing land to chose to know all Culture as one nation of all things coming as one nation under God that reaches our creator

[@SickOfdaOrdinary]

Idk... okay where do you and Bri and Casey J fall? Or even William McDowell? Because it definitely doesn't feel "Gospel" ?

[@lornaellis632]

- Worship music?🤷🏾‍♀️

[@sbb.8677]

I think of it as Christian music. Although, I didn't want to place his and similar sounds in a box, it was necessary as it took a while for me to accept that it didn't sound like Gospel as I had know it.

[@ilsewippenaar4504]

?

[@sharondamcqueen7404]

Animusic spell

[@yantatania]

😂

[@GeorgeReid]

Lol

[@lusenyalphonse6097]

I love your music but I don't think it's gospel music.

[@shaymay2892]

Jonathan was all for change, and Gospel music being "new" and "different" you asked for the change! And believed that you're part of the reason for Gospel changing! Hypocrite.