Jordan Peterson’s Disciplinary Disaster

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[@rebchizelbeak5392]

A bit wrong on the misgendering being a legal non-issue, Dev. Oger v. Whatcott (No. 7), 2019 BCHRT 58 IN THE MATTER OF THE HUMAN RIGHTS CODE, RSBC 1996, c. 210 The Whatcott dude was fined. $55,000, and if he didn’t pay, he would have been gone to jail. Yes, he is an religious activist and was easily able to pay the fine (and MAKE money) from it, but you are wrong that it does not occur.

[@ShortFatOtaku]

damn, i may be wrong on this one then. i looked up the case and the guy's lawyer was actually pretty incompetent reading it, but nonetheless he should not have been fined. jccfprev.wpengine.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/58_Oger_v_Whatcott_No_7_2019_BCHRT_58-1.pdf

[@jaykilbourne1110]

That decision is wrong. Rather go to jail and wear it like a badge of honor.

[@pedrofromrio645]

Damn. It’s nice to see the feedback between Dev and the comment section.

[@Trikiran]

@@ShortFatOtaku Yeah even I know about this man. You dropped the ball on this. Also any new law takes at least a decade to be fully implemented into culture, so we still have no idea how this will be used.

[@notimportant2290]

@@ShortFatOtaku Does youtube auto delete comments with any links? My comment got auto deleted. What I wanted to say is that you should look at the document that Sitch linked in the Cody Johnston stream where the argument is laid out as to how C-16 compells speech. Specifically see Brown's blog and the linked cases. The Stream: Some More N̶e̶w̶s̶ Lies! DESTROYING Cody Johnston's MEGA HITPIECE On Jordan Peterson! // Show 205

[@journeymancurmudgeon3113]

The bill was also worded so that a reasonable person would likely conclude that... This is the problem; the bill was only ever going to be invoked by unreasonable people.

[@ShakerSilver]

Exactly, it's Dev's blindspot of thinking that the institutions are all reasonable liberals like him, and not filled with partisans looking to exercise power.

[@N4chtigall]

Yeah, however I think that you are missing the point. Many people knew about it - not many had a courage to stand up against it. That's the issue with such cases. That nowadays people are just scared to disagree with decisions pushed by leftists because they are scared to be canceled, to lose their jobs, to become ostracized etc.

[@priapulida]

and it has been invoked by unreasonable people. Peterson's warning was justified

[@davidtarushka9749]

If your defense of a law is based on the reasonable person standard, you have to assume that reasonable people would use it. Right now the Canadian government is pushing old people to off themselves. The reasonable person standard is effectively dead in the water.

[@gingeranagram2467]

@@ShakerSilver Radical centrists are the worst

[@BroughPerkinsMedium]

He didn't say you'd get arrested for misgendering. He said if you're a professional and you misgender you can be taken to court (which is true) and if you refuse to follow court orders you could be jailed (which is true.) You missed this nuance Dev.

[@ShakerSilver]

Dev often misses the nuance.

[@ThisisKyle]

That's what I remember him saying

[@dances_with_incels]

i was pretty baffled that had went over devs head.

[@Seldomheardabout]

Nuance? You mean you have to go to court, pay fees and change your normal routine because of this? Please explain why that is not the same as being arrested.

[@ShakerSilver]

@@valuedCustomer2929 his take on the mar-a-lago raid is pretty much just accepting the premise of the msm and ignores the privileges of the president come into play

[@Plax123]

Dev completely forgot about the father who was jailed for misgendering his daughter

[@Good_Emperor]

I'm fairly certain he talked about that BC incident in a previous video. Maybe I'm thinking of someone else.

[@Plax123]

@@Good_Emperor yeah he did but conveniently forgot about it so he could craft a seat for his fence

[@kodybuffettwilson]

He didn't, I pointed it out in a prior video's comments section, and he claimed that while said case is a miscarriage of justice, that Bill C-16 is not responsible for it.

[@l0lLorenzol0l]

1:00 do you HONESTLY BELIEVE that the Canadian government, you know the same one that declared a national emergency over a trucker protest, would be REASONABLE Dev? Really?

[@iam16bits]

Leafs seem to be far too trusting of government.

[@sophie9419]

He doesn't seem to care since it didn't effect him and the trucker protesters were too 'disruptive'. He compared it to how the general public felt about eco-terrorists blowing up logging equipment.

[@theokayguy360]

@@sophie9419 also that promised video showing them doing wrong never came

[@conserva-chan2735]

@@theokayguy360 we should go to Sudbury and blockade his street with trucks until he releases the video

[@istvanczap3004]

Also the same government that offers to kill you instead of giving you an accessory if you are disabled :D

[@bvoyelr]

"The law hasn't been used this way yet, so it's probably fine." I don't think that's how it works. Notwithstanding the idea that C-16 leaves it completely ambiguous what protections are afforded to gender diverse folks (it protects gender identity and specifically declares pronouns to be part of that identity), all it means is that a trans person hasn't attempted to seek redress under the new legislation. I feel like this same thing happened in Britain, though it's been a while -- the law under which Count Dankula was charged had been around, unused, for a while. IIRC, he was one of the first prosecuted under the law.

[@Berry_Bruiser]

Exactly this, just saying that the law hasn't been used to its fullest extent does not justify a poorly written law. A poorly written law can now be legally acted upon once the right (or rather wrong) person sees fit to use it how it is written.

[@NicholasBrakespear]

Bingo. "IIRC, he was one of the first prosecuted under the law" Not the last. And even things that the law doesn't support... still get enforced. The police are still showing up at people's doors, whether the law supports their action or not, to "educate" and chastise. And when the law doesn't follow through? Businesses do it for them; punishing employees... universities punishing students, all unofficial, none of it technically requiring any change in law or protocol or having any change in law or protocol to grant it authority. That's how it works. With each little committee, with each little hearing, actual law is undermined and sidestepped in favour of a new order. After all, if your career gets nuked by a campaign of cancellation, doesn't matter if there was any legal precedent behind it; you're still done.

[@testcase6997]

It’s civil rights it applies protections to everyone. All it does is your work or your landlord can’t knowingly harass you by referring to you by the wrong gender

[@kora4185]

I still can’t believe it was over joking his pug could do the Hitler salut. This is like a sitcom…

[@YoshiTheOreo]

Just because the gun was loaded by someone planning to shootup an area, doesn't mean it hasn't been used that way, yet.

[@metoonunyabidness1391]

A Canadian parent lost custody becoming of misgendering… I’d say that’s a perfect example of what jbp was warning about

[@testcase6997]

No? They lost for abuse. They were literally mlesting their kid. Why do you defend that.

[@vaguelymodest6239]

@@testcase6997 can you post the article?

[@metoonunyabidness1391]

@@testcase6997 Perhaps you’re thinking of something different.

[@thomdrolet2624]

@Test Case no they weren't. The father lost custody for violating a gag order, a gag order that was specifically about misgendering said child.

[@testcase6997]

@@vaguelymodest6239 You can’t post links in KZbin comments. You know this.

[@AscendantStoic]

1:36 Dude seriously!!!! --> Canadian man jailed for calling his biologically female child as ‘daughter’

[@Xerophun]

"Honor seems pretty important to him." It's not honor on principle. How many other clinicians have been subject to this but have no platform, no voice to object? That's why he's pressing the issue.

[@metoonunyabidness1391]

It’s safe to say that from now until this issue is resolved that you can’t trust anyone whose job depends on government accreditation to be honest unless it toes the party line

[@shaulkramer7425]

Wasn't a father in Canada arrested for misgendering his daughter (now legally son)? Doesn't that belie your first assertion there?

[@laurendearnley9595]

Contempt of court, technically, as I recall. But if you can be held in contempt because the court deemed your child to be a different gender than you recognise, it's essentially illegal.

[@NicholasBrakespear]

@@laurendearnley9595 And therein lies the really scary spot in the law and society - when something can be come de facto law, even when it's not actual law, and nobody notices, and it slides on by and sets a precedent. Because then, you can't even fight the law that punished you, because it wasn't TECHNICALLY the law that punished you.

[@Good_Emperor]

That judge was very obviously biased. He believed that a father "misgendering" his daughter constitutes family violence.

[@underlord3761]

Leafy says Jordan is being hyperbolic and no reasonable person would weaponize the new woke rules, he then goes on to read multiple examples of unreasonable people weaponizing said rules against Jordan. The cognitive dissonance is amazing.

[@antjeeismann4684]

You call it amazing dev calls it just another day. Dev: Oh, you think cognitive dissonance is your ally. But you merely adopted the cognitive dissonance; I was born in it, moulded by it.

[@Theevil6ify]

Geez I thought u were saying LeafyIsHere said this at first i thought wtf even he's talking about this?!

[@darkzeroprojects4245]

Or knows and lying to beat it to your lie.

[@underlord3761]

@@darkzeroprojects4245 read your comment then reformulate it into something remotely coherent and readable.

[@darkzeroprojects4245]

@@underlord3761 Or idk, actually reprocess it.

[@rexnas8150]

Lmao "cancel culture doesn't exist but if it did they deserved it"

[@hexmaniac6810]

Same guy A few weeks later after a lukewarm take “cancel culture needs to be stopped!”

[@jarrod752]

You know people have it out for you when 1 guy can troll the complaint department 12 times and get your license pulled.

[@Jeff-cn9up]

Even if Peterson DID suggest that people commit su|c|de, wouldn't that be considered following public policy in Canada where M.A.I.D. is not only the law of the land, but being actively promoted? 🤔

[@cameronknox7567]

I agree, when the narrator was talking about the tweet that supposedly said that he told someone to commit suicide, my thought was, well the government is literally already doing that so why the hell is he doing it an issue? It turned out it wasn’t, sans, if somebody was spilling dribble like the person in the first Twitter message, the one that ultimately ended with his comment, I would probably say something similar. Also, you can leave whenever you want, it is literally just that. It’s not telling anyone to do anything, it’s just pointing something out.

[@t.k.5844]

Having spent almost 20 years being 'treated' by the Ontario psychiatric/psychological establishment I find the notion that they adhere to a 'strict' set of standards to protect their patients somewhat insulting. They played patient ping-pong with me for decades, seeing me once or twice before either referring me to someone else or suggesting some ridiculous solution to my problems, up to and including what was essentially a lobotomy or stowing me in what amounts to a people-warehouse where I could be safely ignored. All of this has seemingly gotten worse in recent years, more so than just psychologists/psychiatrists but the entire healthcare system especially in regards to mental health. One social worker even implied my issues don't matter as much because I'm white. There have been a few doctors and experts who have greatly helped me, and I will forever be grateful towards them, but I can count the number on one hand out of the dozens and dozens I've seen over the course of my illness. So many others have only made things worse either through callus disregard or out of a misguided idea of 'helping'. Unless they address the underlying structural issues, nothing Dr. Peterson could do would tarnish their reputation in my eyes more than what they already allow to take place daily.

[@poyobotyahoo7494]

What is your sickness?

[@f145hr3831jr]

I daresay Canada isn't unique in this regard: the field of psychology/psychiatry/psy-whatever-the-fuck-else is brimming with hacks who have no idea what they're doing in pretty much every country. A guy with zero knowledge and experience successfully bullshitted his way into notoriety in the field of psychiatry. His name was Gert Postel, Count Dankula made a funny video about him. I can conclude from my personal experience with the field (and the 10 years I spent on antidepressants that utterly killed my drive and motivation) and other testimonies that they don't care about the patients, they only care about everyone else's comfort and peace of mind above all else.

[@t.k.5844]

@@poyobotyahoo7494 Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, better known as 'OCD'. It's a lot less fun and quirky, and more crippling and debilitating, than TV shows like 'Monk' or 'Big Bang Theory' make it out to be.

[@poyobotyahoo7494]

@@t.k.5844 i would guess so. From what I know it's like having a 100 things pissing you off cause they're not right and having your brain blasted with thougjts that you wish you could shut up about

[@BlueGamingRage]

If you started the treatment cycle now rather than 20 years ago, you'd be part of the MAID stats

[@theshambler6814]

They wouldn’t clamp down on Peterson over 10 false complaints if he DIDNT go after major Canadian political figures. You don’t need to have each person write “he said mean things about Trudeau” to have the board decide to act on those niche complaints because they received a call from a figure associated with the Trudeau regime. It’s all in the timing, and it happens to line up.

[@DenmarkRadar]

You are slightly mistaken, if Peterson was commenting critically about Pierre Polievre then JBP would be about to receive a high order of merit of the Canadian state.

[@jamesk6953]

The College using deliberately falsified reports in order to prosecute one of their own members is itself be a violation of both sections 1.4 and 1.9 of the College's Code of Ethics under any good faith reading of those clauses.

[@user-co7fo]

The rules do not apply to them,because they are good and JBP is eViL.

[@retr0836]

It really is sad what's happening to Jordan. I genuinely feel bad for him.

[@retr0836]

@Steven 1773 I really hope he doesn’t go down that road. Jordan is one of the few public figures left who seems to be a genuinely decent person.

[@Plax123]

He's not really going down the villainous road, he's too morally upstanding for that. They're definitely trying their best to paint him like one though.

[@testcase6997]

@@retr0836 He’s pretty rude, inconsiderate and arrogant. Always has been.

[@Ike_of_pyke]

@@testcase6997 that's not villainous behavior just being angry about bs , what you described applies to Bruce Wayne , Frank Castle and booster gold. Just like Lex Luthor and Gorilla grodd

[@ssnaut1871]

Peterson need to get off internet and twitter especially for one year atleast get his thoughts together maybe go on long vacation with his granddaughter and wife and come back as normal smart guy he was .

[@Zetact_]

A Canadian institution saying that "encouraging suicide" is wrong. Ironic.

[@dathore]

The part I find most worrying of this mess is, the college didn't even care to look at where the complains came from, but then literally continued to push onto him to "willingly" submit to the reeducation camp, which is like your land lord telling you to move out again and again and again, there comes a point where you gotta wonder why they're so insistent in having YOU make the decision that they want you to make.

[@boomknight1015]

They know they are in the wrong. How ever if he consented to it then his followers and random people are less likely to support him in saying it's wrong. In an interview about the topic he was asked if they will follow through and he said he left them no choice. That they would have to resign because only a group of idiots would take it as far as they have just to say "ah, nvm it's our mistake." Where in order to prove they should be where they are they have to try to charge him even if it fails or the back lash is massive.

[@dathore]

@@boomknight1015 yeah, I figure they're trying to make it seem like he came to the, willingly, as if he's repenting for his sins, since that's a better optic than "government forces person to enter reeducation camp", since that would play straight into what he's been saying about them, which funny enough, is all true, but, no one wants some "are we the baddies" kind of deal to happen in their watch.

[@riftvallance2087]

@@dathore Well put, his capitulation is basically an admission of guilt and a renouncing of his principles.

[@arispaparis]

When people want to do something, but they know they'll get flack for the reason they want to do said thing, they simply come up with another reason. It doesn't have to be a good reason, only something that doesn't sound too ridiculous or something that can be easily spinned into anything that enough people will accept as long as they don't read too much into the details. In other words, what happened here.

[@markzuckergecko621]

He's not in their cult. He must be destroyed. Ask anyone who's ever left a cult how that works.

[@mathis8210]

"Obey voluntarily or we will force you to comply" Nice one, college of psychologists.

[@silverstar8868]

Honestly can't blame his cynicism against things like anonymity. He has been so ostracized, bullied, and defamed by so many people. And they continue, it isn't fair and honestly horrifying.

[@priapulida]

yeah but he's underestimating the amount of resources of the leftist activism-NGO complex as well as psychotic leftist discords. so many anons would lose everything if they couldn't be anon, they get doxxed too often already. it's a necessary form of dissent today imo

[@f145hr3831jr]

The ones who made a tangible impact aren't the anonymous trolls and he still doesn't realise it.

[@TransRoofKorean]

@@f145hr3831jr And in just that way, if he'd formed his argument like that, I'd never have disagreed: "Perhaps more weight automatically should be given to people who are willing to attach their name and reputation to their opinions", which is a better way of saying "maybe anonymous opinions should be weighed less", which is infinitely more reasonable than "we shouldn't have to deal with anonymous trolls' opinions online".

[@GKRcnnct]

@FlashRebel most of them very likely are they are brain dead but even idiots have self preservation

[@SergioLeonardoCornejo]

Exactly. That's why I am forgiving to him in regards to his flaws. These monsters keep persecuting him and he doesn't have time to calm down.

[@kintsuki99]

Any law that creates the idea of "hate crime" should not be accepted nor taken seriously.

[@houseofhas9355]

I imagine the people at that college are the type to lie about and look to destroy him because they don't like his type of politics. Let's stop pretending that's not what's happening.

[@testcase6997]

No one told any lies tho? except dev and peterson. He keeps saying they lied and claimed to be patients but they Clearly say they aren’t.

[@TheKeksadler]

@@testcase6997 "Is there a client associated with your report: yes." "Are you the client: yes". Your brain is too smooth for your own good.

[@AndrewAce.]

@@testcase6997 They all NECESSARILY lied in order to file their complaints. I'd call you an idiot, but based on your other comments on this video, it's clear that you're just a disingenuous clown trying to spin a narrative...

[@cameronknox7567]

Did you mean to say no as opposed to yes? Because the statement, is there a client linked with the report, yes, are you the client, yes, it’s confusing. Wasn’t this entire thing because aside from the psychologist, who seems to be blowing hot air out of his ass, the other reports were from people who falsely claimed that they were clients of Jordan Peterson? I’m kind of confused.

[@testcase6997]

@@TheKeksadler Do they not say they aren’t the clients, yes or no?

[@varnix1006]

JP got scolded for telling people to off themselves in a nation where Medically Assisted SUICIDE exists is nothing short of ironic.

[@IsmailofeRegime]

How many terminally ill patients is JP being accused of telling to off themselves?

[@priapulida]

Secondary effects of this are much worse: ideological capture of the psychological profession was known before, but this further diminishes trust, especially among men. The message is along the lines of "if you stand up for principles that aren't woke/leftist/collectivist etc, you are toxic, and we will use our profession to fix you". Men worldwide should avoid psychotherapy basically, it's not worth the risk of abuse (indoctrination), and there's no safe way to test if the therapist is free of ideological possession if you're already vulnerable .

[@priapulida]

look up "woke therapy", Critical Social Justice therapy or critical therapy if you think I'm being hyperbolic.

[@dik4316]

Dev's ability to notice circumstantial evidence and read between lines comes and goes.

[@ShortFatOtaku]

Your ability to read between the lines comes and goes as is convenient for your political PoV.

[@antjeeismann4684]

@@ShortFatOtaku 😂

[@Letsgosurfing-cc3ly]

The only reason the law hasn't been used that way is because Gad Sad and Peterson went in front of parliament. They moved the line that should not be crossed.

[@torinkjenstad]

hate crimes make no sense. You have to already hate enough to do any kind of violent crime so it seems unnecessary.

[@NicholasBrakespear]

"You have to already hate enough to do any kind of violent crime" Really... not the case, at all. Really, really not the case. That being said, the concept of a "hate crime" is disturbing and inherently ludicrous; hate is an emotion. It can't really be proven. To introduce such an emotional, vague term as a legal precedent was dangerous to begin with. How it has been used... disastrous.

[@Snakeit100]

While I disagree with the wording of "Hate" Crime, the underpining purpose of it in a legal sense is perfectly reasonable. If I steal from people at random, then it's just theft. If I specifically target a racial group for theft, then there's an additional motivating factor to my behaviour. It's especially heinous if it's murder for instance Thus, I don't think it's unreasonable to be able to up charges on someone for that since they're acting especially vile The act changed from being person-to-person to person-to-group.

[@simonpetrikov3992]

If you kill or commit random acts of violence because you have an uncontrollable urge to a disorder then it’s not really hate driven you’re just really messed up in the head

[@tktalk6900]

im not sure why murdering because you're a racist is officially legally worse than murdering for any other inexcusable reason also who is deciding which characteristics are protected and which aren't? if a ginger person gets assaulted and the attacker indicates they hate redheads is that a hate crime or no?

[@simonpetrikov3992]

@@tktalk6900 mainly that it can turn a second or third degree murder charge into a first degree murder charge

[@NicholasBrakespear]

Let's be honest - on the topic of Peterson being "hyperbolic"? He isn't, really. No more so than any sane person presented with some frankly lunatic things going on in the world. At this point in history, given how far things have slumped, how aggressive certain ideologies have become (and yes, they are being enforced in some parts of the world; whether the law supports such enforcement there or not... the police have been getting involved), any accusation of hyperbole... is akin to the old "that's just a slippery slope fallacy" line. The problem is, the "slippery slope fallacy" has been repeatedly proven to not be a fallacy at all. In fact, the slippery slope has become... a sheer cliff, more often than not. All the while people keep insisting, it's not that bad. Yeah, it is that bad. Because the really, really nasty stuff? The stuff that haunts the mid 20th century? That stuff didn't begin with black boots stomping down the streets and doors getting kicked in. It started with all those things Orwell went on to warn us about; it started small, and petty, and personal. It started with power plays masquerading as "reasonable requests". It started with every little common word or phrase that was shamed into silence - piece by piece, constructing the Newspeak, with the ultimate aim of removing the very language anyone might use to construct rebellion. And while one can acknowledge that yes, even with free speech, there is a fundamental expectation of other codes of conduct that, in professional realms, actually limit free speech... we've now reached the point where one of the most controversial things you can say, which will result in people trying to destroy your career if you're a public figure... is that women, exist. When you get to a point where people will seek your downfall because you said that women exist, "hyperbole" loses all meaning. It's a mad, messed up, broken world. And most of our "so exaggerated they obviously won't really happen in real life" jokes about the far left, aren't jokes anymore.

[@priapulida]

This. Thank you, I didn't have the motivation to write something like this (again). An explanation is cognitive dissonance, because Canada is so far down that totalitarian path, it's hard to reconcile this with the way they view themselves as supernice.

[@TheJawesomeOne]

Precisely put, amazing that Dev said this when he also made a video about Charlottesville over 5 years ago showing how bad the far sides get.

[@ShortFatOtaku]

the issue is, since the charlottesville video i've also watched several instances of the slippery slope not actually turn out, and i've realized, oh just because there's a possibility of a slope doesn't automatically mean you will fall down it every time.

[@priapulida]

@@ShortFatOtaku "..not actually turn out" *yet* You have videos about how this works. There's even more theory around this, like "performative essentialism", or the insanity in Beautiful Trouble

[@TheJawesomeOne]

@@ShortFatOtaku If you ask me, exceptions are proof of the rule. Yeah people can come up with all kinds of ridiculous stuff, this is the internet. We however have been pretty good at snuffing out the poor arguments from a slippery slope concern, even the left make good slip slope args sometimes

[@Plax123]

Dev also forgot about this nuance: JBP's warning was about the combination of C-16 (federal law) and Ontario's Human Rights Code in tandem. Sorry Dev, I know your brand is being in the middle on everything but you should at least get your facts straight

[@conserva-chan2735]

Dev obsessing over centrism is the dumbest shit given he was a classical liberal less than a year ago.

[@ShortFatOtaku]

classical liberalism is pretty centrist all things considered

[@conserva-chan2735]

@@ShortFatOtaku it ain't.

[@Galgus2000]

@@ShortFatOtaku Classical liberalism would abolish almost every current power of federal governments. It is extreme by today's standards.

[@Plax123]

@@ShortFatOtaku you didn't address the actual factual concern though

[@popatsot1]

Laws that may allow something even however unlikely must be looked at as if eventually it will be used consistently against people down the line. You give these people too much credit thinking they won't take it that far

[@ektran4205]

laws legislation and regulations are only effective if they are properly implemented and enforced

[@urishima]

@@ektran4205 They aren't "properly implemented and enforced" until they are. This can change over night.

[@unncommonsense]

There's enough ambiguity so they can do what they want.

[@Alberich_Prince_of_Dwarves]

Twitter's not a real place, it baffles me how large a sway it holds on real world actions.

[@AncestorEmpireGaming]

0:19 He wasn’t wrong. There’s both positives and negatives to being anonymous online. Just like at that one kid that harassed Mike Tyson on a Jet Blue flight. Also: if you wanted an easy answer, you’re not alive.

[@npcimknot958]

If it comes to profession n livilhood..u make a complaint I better show ur face. A tweet bring anonymous is fine..but when it comes to peoples livlihood anominity.

[@Seldomheardabout]

Easy answer- no law saying you lose freedom of speech if you wear a ski mask.

[@ssnaut1871]

@@Seldomheardabout denmark have very absolute freedom of speech acts maybe we can adopt something like that someday. So we don't have to hide behind anonymous names everytime.

[@Seldomheardabout]

@@ssnaut1871 the point is that anonymous speech is as important as any other kind; if not more. Some things need to be said, and they would ruin reputations. Therefore, anonymous speech is tantamount to any other. Btw in America this is already the law. We just live in a society where all the kids are communists.

[@tapewormrage]

If encouraging people in Canada to self delete is a disbarring offense, there should be a lot more dismissals.

[@Good_Emperor]

Question: If the college's stance is absolutely gender affirming and pro-trans then where should detransitioners (or just anyone having gender related mental health issues without necessarily being trans) seek medical or psychological help? It seems to me that this college and other medical/therapist licensing bodies have been possessed by partisanship. What happens when the "accepted" treatment for a particular condition actually turns out to be a form of medical malpractice? What if doctors simply refuse to euthanize patients or do abortions because it would violate their conscience and the college insists that you must if you wish to keep your license? The anxiety physicians and therapists have about possibly having their license taken from them all because of political disagreement or the new medical ethics that includes murder of patients is very justified in my opinion.

[@AndrewAce.]

The whole transgenderism thing is and always has been subjective and unscientific. It's fine if someone wants to present one way or the other, but I draw the line at learning a new language in order to simply refer to someone in the third person. People play along to be respectful, but once someone starts taking advantage of that respect, it's gone... It should NEVER be law that you have to go along with someone's subjective reality....

[@Rievven]

Well you see you get medically transitioned at great experience and then you go back to the same hospital and pay even more to transition back. Repeat until broke.

[@Good_Emperor]

@@Rievven I think you mean Expense right? Also there's the long term health effects and even physical harm that's often not addressed. Like that detrans woman Peterson interviewed recently (Chloe was her name I think?), she lost the ability to ever breast feed because of her double mastectomy and no longer has eroginous sensation in her chests.

[@testcase6997]

What if the doctor refused to treat lung cancer?

[@testcase6997]

@@Good_Emperor I don’t believe you care about that considering you don’t care about trans people losing out by not transitioning soon enough.

[@intboom]

Even if he can't practice any more, he's fighting on behalf of the other, non famous, people that might be struggling with the same kind of bullshit.

[@StanleyHalas]

If you call him JUSTIN peterson one more time I'll slap you silly

[@PrincessTidge]

I heard it too lol

[@ShortFatOtaku]

aw shit

[@npcimknot958]

This was actual true, they did threaten. If u watch videos, they went around saying they will take kids n dogs away.

[@genevievec.8002]

Someone else brought this up already, but I wanted to do my own comment with further detail. Peterson very clearly laid out at one point in an interview (The Agenda TVO Today - about 26:30 in) - the problem is that continuously using the incorrect pronouns can be seen as a hate speech, and over time lead to jailing. You can also read the CBC article "Canada’s gender identity rights Bill C-16 explained" where it explains how someone could go to prison for using the wrong pronouns (understand that one of the things that bill C16 changes is the Canadian Human Rights Act). "The Canadian Human Rights Act does not mention pronouns either. The act protects certain groups from discrimination. 'Would it cover the accidental misuse of a pronoun? I would say it’s very unlikely,' Cossman says. 'Would it cover a situation where an individual repeatedly, consistently refuses to use a person’s chosen pronoun? It might.' ... Since the changes brought forth by Bill C-16 do not mention pronouns, both Cossman and Brown cite a 2014 policy released by the Ontario Human Rights Commission (OHRC) for guidance. Page 18 reads: 'Gender-based harassment can involve: (5) Refusing to refer to a person by their self-identified name and proper personal pronoun.' The policy itself is not legally binding, Cossman says, but a human rights tribunal 'does tend to follow the policy that’s articulated.'”

[@theywouldnthavetocensormei9231]

Dev, do you find yourself having to try a lot harder to see the left's side of the argument than you have to try to see the right's side these days? I know you're a liberal, I'm not saying you should be a right winger, but if you have to put so much effort into it to "see both sides", it probably means the side you're actively trying to see eye level with has gone bat shit insane, and you can't see eye level with them without trying because they got that crazy googly eye thing going on and you can never really tell what they're looking at.

[@fmega8609]

Dev it's good to "steelman" the opposition here just to cover your bases but I think you're going to too great lengths to justify a person losing their professional certifications for having the wrong opinions online. Being a professional shouldn't mean you are no longer allowed to engage in politics or occasionally pop off on some twitter trolls. Who cares. Besides, we all know that if Jordon behaved the exact same way but with leftist opinions, his professional capital wouldn't be at stake. Not only do the rules infringe on freedom of speech but they are, as usual, applied selectively. This video was starting to feel a lot like "if you don't like it, just build your own psychologists' association, bro"

[@antjeeismann4684]

👍💪

[@ngsomeguy]

Complaint : jp is telling people to unalive themselves Canada : Hey Vets cant give you a wheelchair ramp, have you thought about maid as an alternative to getting into your home?

[@kfcreviewer2310]

The point shouldn't be that because JP can live without the license, that action is fine. We should look at it from a more general standpoint where people like him but without the media power could have the same issue handed to them and lose their entirely livelyhood just for doing wrongthink.

[@hope-cat4894]

It sounds crazy, but we've seen that list of bad words that Stanford University tried to push, and Antioch University apparently has some weird stuff going on, too. Activism technically shouldn't be one-sided. And I've seen some crazy stuff professors have said, and they got away with it because they were on the "correct" side.

[@eOlRaNcH1]

The real question is how many other psychologists have been unlicensed by the board, for their political views.

[@hildegardvonbingen9092]

How many people that are non woke are becoming osychotherapists anyway?

[@arispaparis]

A publiclly stated excuse behind a certain action doesn't always allign with the actual reason behind said action. I find it incredibly hard to believe they went through the trouble of going after him BECAUSE of the attached complaints. It should be obvious, yes?

[@eldestdragon5766]

I may be misremembering, but wasn’t Peterson’s take on Bill C16 about how Doctors might not be able to disagree with transitioning a patient as they could potentially be reported for “conversion therapy”?

[@Caper1144]

I'm not sure if Peterson said it. But it is true. Well I'm not sure if a doctor refused to see a patient because he did not believe they were truly trans. But at least where I'm from it's for everyone. NO ONE can disagree once it's declared. By best friend is currently going through it with his daughter. He doesn't have authorities knocking at his door or anything, nor do I suspect they will. But he won't entertain it for a second (if you knew the story, you wouldn't either). But what he is doing by not affirming is definitely illegal. I think she is coming out of it. New school, not allowed on tictoc is helping.

[@sdfabctr]

this "social media retraining" never seems to be expected of the most obnoxious delusional wokescolds ever. It's only those people who poke fun at the emperors lovely clothes that get called into the principals office. I dunno man that seems weird to me.

[@nobodyofimprotance7615]

"The thirty million population of Canada." What the fuck? There are about ten million here in NYC alone, how the fuck is Canada so smol?

[@npcimknot958]

Its small funny eh.. we crumbling… with so little people. Y would anyone come to canada with nutcases who live here

[@bvoyelr]

Canada is tiny....but *fierce*!

[@sophie9419]

Because 80% of the country is wild bush and tundra. Compare it to the population of Alaska.

[@MidwestArtMan]

Fun fact, more Americans live north of Canada's southernmost point than Canadians.

[@Willie_Pete_Was_Here]

I’m worried that Peterson is getting addicted to Twitter

[@samj1512]

Even if he isn't necessarily affected by the punishment, it still isn't a good thing

[@sunsinger970]

Poilliovere seems like a good dude.

[@JerkyMurky]

Anyone who dunks on Trudeau is a good dude in my opinion.

[@testcase6997]

@@JerkyMurky You’re so easily impressed.

[@testcase6997]

Well you’ve certainly been told to think that enough

[@ayoutubewatcher2849]

He also has ties to the WEF. Be it himself being a member found right on their site until he was taken off or members he works closely with still being WEF members. Think what you will with that. Will he economically be better than Trudeau? Probably, but frankly imo it's more of the same controlled opposition on a downward trend.

[@cameronknox7567]

Who is the, I think it was the NDP leader? Not Singh, apparently I need to brush up on who leads what party for the country I’m living in. But whichever one it was, that one seems OK?

[@barneystinson2781]

Lmao you qct like bill c16 is done and won't have more effects down the road. The laws about assisted suicide in Canada were worded where a reasonable person didn't think it would result is what it has become by your standard.

[@ZenoDovahkiin]

"Everybody thinks rape is bad." Depends, Dev. If it's female on male, most people think it's acceptable.

[@MultiKeto]

sorry but if a law is worded such that it needs a reasonable person to interpret it in any way that is in accordance to a liberal world view then it is an anti liberal law. the it will be laughed out of a court argument is dumb. and jordan said you can be taken to court and if you are not following their speech demands you will end up in prison.

[@_Dovar_]

Trudeau for Nuremberg 2024

[@antjeeismann4684]

Nürnberg

[@grantforester1864]

8:14 always gonna be the realest tweet ever

[@npcimknot958]

He def is better speaking than twitter. He even said twitter is making him bitchy. But when he does his videos everything is clear.

[@brentlolacher3000]

Calling out the politicians to stand for something is turning the personal political according to Dev.

[@sounghungi]

Well I'm going to assume that the association gave him the mandatory notice after he retweeted Pierre Poilievre. So it could have been a tool they were holding until he did something that really pushed the line.

[@KingRyanoles]

The best thing JBP could do for himself and the world may very well be to delete his Twitter and convince everyone else to do the same.

[@biostemm]

If the complaints are false, then the issue should be thrown out. If the complaints were false and the board still went ahead, then they are at fault, here...

[@SierraSierraFoxtrot]

If JBP says he was targeted for retweeting something specific or someone specific, I'm sure he has good reason to think so.

[@LohenArc]

Events like these demonstrate how the notion of “Professional Ethics” contradict and restrict one’s right to free speech. Licensure organizations like this College should not be able to use the threat of suspension or stripping licenses as retaliation for lawful speech posted online.

[@benjaminsvensk-armstrong9106]

Dev, one of the complaints against him specified a tweet, which was a retweet of polly-whatever his stupid french name is. In addition you've have completely mischaracterised Peterson's objections to C-16... this is, frankly, the worse researched and executed video I've seen from you in years. Get better.

[@frozenironforge5133]

When are you gonna release the trucker convoy protest video Dev? An update please

[@ShortFatOtaku]

waiting for the commission to report to parliament

[@FarelForever]

*holds a plushy of a truck in his hands tightly* The trucker video is coming, it's coming, I know it is 🥲

[@AnselmsAlwaysAccurate]

The worst part about all the people correcting dev in the comments is that he's never going to admit that he's wrong because he never does

[@Good100]

I saw him admit it once, when Aydin Paladin called him out for saying someone was "justifiably persecuted" or something similar. He literally will not consider whether he is wrong unless a peer of his says so. When a pleb does it, even when they present evidence, he either doesn't look at it, or he scans it to cherry pick issues with it that allow him to make the flimsiest case that he actually was right all along.

[@Good_Emperor]

@@Good100 I pointed out this particular mistake in the comments section as well and dev acknowledged it. He's not a total brainlet, he sometimes does know he erred. Not always but sometimes.

[@zeevdrifter2707]

Dev is fat lol

[@antjeeismann4684]

@@Good100 i was very surprised Back when i saw the comment you're talking about. I made a couple of comments and called him out on his glass explodes in two directions theory in the pelosi Video. He compaired the way that glass in a buisness facade brakes to the normal glass that got broken in the home of the pelosis. He obviously ignored it.

[@roseguy]

Right wingers being triggered that Dev doesn't blindly agree with their traditionalist narrative is not him being wrong. He just has a different perspective based in how he sees the world. Accept it and get over it already. I don't get why you people orbit this channel when he's never gonna pander to you.

[@Raigan_Avalon]

On the face of it, all of the complaints should be thrown out as the complainers are lying about being clients.

[@firebreathingcow]

I generally agree with what you said here Dev, but fact that it is illegal to practice without it makes me hesitate with an otherwise reasonable interpretation of what falls into licensing body’s authority. I’m not saying that there shouldn’t be licensing body or that they shouldn’t have standards, but the fact that it creates a state-run monopoly would seem to be a counterweight to the “if you join the organization voluntarily you have to abide by their rules” argument.

[@ttthttpd]

Stripping his license is step one. After that I expect some "psych advice without a license" lawsuit or "crime" claims next.

[@yarlodek5842]

Lesson learned: don't be a psychologist and based at the same time. The two are pretty much mutually exclusive anyway.

[@npcimknot958]

I would be more worried about psychologist signing those maid forms

[@Good_Emperor]

It would be psychologists that would sign approval forms for MAID which is just a psychologist affirming "Based on psychological evaluation this patient does sincerely want to log off minecraft". Who wants to bet how many on the College Board are pro-MAID?

[@npcimknot958]

He recently explained more in detail - especially when it comes to complaints - it shouldn’t be allowed. People claiming to be your client n messing your career. This is true in law too.. who r pretty woke..even have courses to “update u” Anoynomous complaints f up legal systems n other profession.. so I 100 get no anonymity when it comes to that. If it’s twitter then anonimty is fibe

[@Seldomheardabout]

Anonymous complaints are great in professions. You just throw them away. People vent, and you ignore. It’s the way of the world.

[@jordanl4805]

Canada doesn't have rights. Canada merely has privileges that can be revoked for seemingly any small reason at all.

[@kevinnio]

In page 16 of the first document in the description there's a screenshot of JP retweeting a tweet from Pierre Poilievre regarding mask mandates. It's not clear to me if the screenshot is meant to be part of a submitted complaint or not, but since it's included in the document I pressume is meant to illustrate JP's "unprofessional" behavior. I wouldn't be surprised if this is more about critizicing covid policy than agreeing with the opposition, but regardless, that appears to be the root of JP's Poilievre claim.

[@thomaslacroix6011]

That's interesting. And yes, if professionals can't agree with the official opposition, they don't have freedom of speech.

[@AspiringDevil]

Okay this the first actual good argument. That is worth talking about hope Dev sees it because I'm not reading these documents I gotta go support those 3 T's.

[@caspianbchalphy]

Fucking hell this is a mess. Yeah that college seems rather untrustworthy and biased to me and probably should be checked out and suffer some sort of penalty. Now Dr. JBP definitely made things out to be worse than they actually are but this still is very bad.

[@BananaMana69]

With bill 16 and Jordan's rise to fame he never said that it made misgendering criminal, he was very consistent that ot was the first bill in Canada compelling speech and that's why he was agaisnt it. I really don't get why you do this Dev, you are way more educated then it takes to get this right but you always have to add on some lefty caveat to facts like this, its stupid and usually wrong.

[@kucanusa3750]

I'm really tired of giving the "benefit on doubt" every time and am now switching to the "burden of my suspicion."

[@janinecat1865]

Once again I feel the need to remind everyone that bill C16 was not necessary to criminalize misgendering, it was already illegal.

[@SupaFlyJedi]

On Peterson being inflammatory online, well, that's a bit of a stretch. Jordan Peterson, for the most part, takes pretty reasonable stances on things. The only reason it's "inflammatory" is that certain perpetually online victims take everything in the worst light, and if it's against their particular worldview, tend to meltdown. In terms of professional licensing, take any other profession. Medical doctor for example. Should he be hauled before a review board because he doesn't believe men can be women, and said so on Twitter? The other part is that none of the complainers are clients and/or within JBP's orbit, they are just complainers. As far as the "harm", what harm exactly? Can you name someone driven into therapy and/or documented major episodes because of what he's said? You'd be hard pressed to find any, if there are any to be found. Truth of the matter is, it's a cancel culture campaign, nothing more and nothing less. Jordan Peterson, for his part refuses to cede any territory or surrender any argument to these people because apathy and appeasement are how they win. Fighting them full court press on every front is the only way to beat back the wokeness that is eroding their minds. IMO if every social media platform were to disappear tomorrow, we'd all be much better off.

[@Chun_0w0]

ofc they would never mention it outright, if they did they would lose in a heartbeat

[@austinbyrd4164]

I don't care if he has alternative revenue steams & is no longer in practice. The state shouldn't gatekeep through licensure period, let alone for political beliefs.

[@z0ro_62]

Nah one juat need to look at England to see where they all want to take this you say the wrong thing its off to jail

[@houseofhas9355]

I "Bring disrepute" to my Fam all the time on twitter, but I don't see a Campaign to have me removed. But Peterson is targeted, This is not fair. -Sincerely A nudest man of many hairs.

[@DrachonaTheWolf]

Yeah, if he's lying about why he's being targeted, then he's wrong for that. Beyond that, nothing he said should be considered harmful to the public image of that college. There are psychologists who say, and actually do, worse things and still have their licenses. If we step into the real world, these grievances are objectively ridiculous.

[@SaberInferno]

Could be thought that: Since he supported the conservative representative, that now the college is looking for any dirt in order to disgrace JP? Not saying that is what's happening, but it might be a possibility.

[@malefic5254]

Dev, do you *really* think they could get away with explicitly telling Peterson that his support of a political candidate is grounds of disciplinary action?

[@ShortFatOtaku]

nonetheless why do you automatically believe it to be the case? you've still got no proof of it, only the "of COURSE they're doing it" power games excuse.

[@fedtsten]

@@ShortFatOtaku How else do you explain even initiating this process on such blatantly non-evidence? Sheer incompetence? Not politically motivated at all?

[@AspiringDevil]

But then we literally are just going around attacking & accusing people based on what we think they might be doing. That is a recipe for utter chaos. You could even say by your standard Peterson is simply trying to accelerate the chaos by intentionally lying. Sure have no evidence but if use you standard I simply have to believe it's something Peterson could/want to do therefore we can assume that's the motive.

[@Musewhisperer]

Did it ever occur to you that maybe there are other reasons JBP doesn't want his license revoked? Reason like... I don't know, perhaps be able to publish scientific papers?

[@LifesGuardian]

The fact that it 'could' be read that way IS the problem. They haven't... yet, but with new officials, and perhaps more activist officials, it COULD happen. That was Peterson's point. 'Notzee' propaganda didn't start off promoting the extermination of a certain group, but it sure ended up that way.

[@snowmexican8558]

Hey Dev there is a father in BC that may get jailed for misgendering their child. So JP was right.

[@ShortFatOtaku]

afaik it's for opposing their child's transition - i don't agree with this either but it's not on the same level as midgendering a random passerby

[@justinambru8529]

@@ShortFatOtaku You do realize most of these ''child's decisions'' usually happen to be the parent's dev? Since that's what lefties who happen to be parents tend to do.

[@snowmexican8558]

@@ShortFatOtaku Oh you are right, just looked it up. Still I don't think we are that far from it. Probably less then 10 years I would hazard. I do really appreciate the correction and reply though. I don't always agree with you on subjects but I do enjoy your opinions. Keep up the good work.

[@Good_Emperor]

@@ShortFatOtaku I'd argue that's worse actually. Putting a father in prison simply for caring about the wellbeing of his daughter and opposing what he believes is harmful to his daughter (and talking about it to anyone that would listen). This would almost be as bad as CPS arbitrarily taking children away from parents because they refused to provide "affirmative care".

[@ThePerson12123]

i like and support your work, and research, i would have never looking into the original claims of Jordan Peterson and took them blindly. i'm still a big JP fan and i'm happy to know he his getting help with managing his social media, he is an old guy and the internet is A lot. we all make mistakes or misunderstand something. i hope both you and JP continue doing good honest work.

[@unncommonsense]

If Peterson dressed like a female clown, read stories to children, and insisted on being called a bus, that would be A-OK with the board.

[@antjeeismann4684]

What's the meaning behind your profile Picture? It looks like polands flag with two hammers in front of it.

[@unncommonsense]

@@antjeeismann4684 Pink Floyd.

[@SupLuiKir]

The problem with vague wordings in law is that you have to assume they mean the worst interpretation for you. What probably happened is that they didn't start doing what Peterson feared precisely because he made a giant stink about it. If he hadn't, it would been quietly rolled in when nobody was paying attention.

[@migarsormrapophis2755]

Are you sure there weren't more complaints that you couldn't find, Dev? Didn't Peterson say there were 15, not 10? Perhaps something about the righ-wigh candidate was in one of those other 5?

[@ShortFatOtaku]

these complaints came from peterson's documents himself

[@migarsormrapophis2755]

@@ShortFatOtaku You're saying that these ten documents are the ones Peterson released so far? What about the other 5 that you couldn't find?

[@ShortFatOtaku]

@@migarsormrapophis2755 what other 5? i never saw peterson mention 15

[@migarsormrapophis2755]

@@ShortFatOtaku Am I just hallucinating? I would've sworn he referred to something like "the 15 complaints that were made against me" in some tweet? Sorry if I'm crazy, I seriously thought I read that at one point.

[@theshambler6814]

Peterson was dead right about Eliot page

[@rushanthchandrakumar2284]

Thanks for making the trucker video dev!

[@TaTa8611]

1:00 After watching Canada during the covid, slippery slope is not a logical fallacy. JP was 100% right on this issue. Law should be precise, it's not a joke, not an opinion! And usually, when a law is vague, there is a reason, why it was left vague...

[@Asto508]

Dev is a professional fence-sitter. He would have also found a reason why detaining jews in camps isn't something to be worried about. Seems like he suffers from too much fat-induced estrogen.

[@ShortFatOtaku]

why are you offended that i discovered JBP was lying

[@Asto508]

@@ShortFatOtaku 1. You didn't really tbh. You only highlighted that it wasn't explicitly mentioned. However, that doesn't mean it didn't play a role, it's at this point more or less unknown. It's still a weird coincidence that they didn't react to JBP for all those years up until the point he started to involve himself with political conservatives recently and opposed Trudeau openly. 2. You usually try hard to come across as reasonable and balanced, but I think that your constant fence-sitting on even completely uncontroversial topics like this one is indicative of a rather cowardish attempt not to burn bridges in all political directions. Not sure if that works so well tbh.

[@ShortFatOtaku]

@@Asto508 it's his responsibility to prove the claim, especially when he made it so centrally and publicly. the claim remains unproven.

[@Asto508]

@@ShortFatOtaku Well, your claim just was that he lied, which you equally have not proven really. I mean, feel free to play that childish game, maybe you need a few days off this social media hellhole. In the end, the question is why the board acts like they do, nothing else.

[@ExPwner]

Wow it’s all just coping leftoids from Twitter? 🤣