Jordan Peterson - The Curse of Creativity

[@danielclee1]

As ever, the man is right. Just to add, when job adverts state they want creative people ? The last thing they want is creative people.

[@steveryan1799]

Good point.

[@travv88]

So why do they say it? To virtue signal for their company?

[@MNanme1z4xs]

Supermandan join terrorists org they need real creative people

[@travv88]

And the award for shitpost of the day goes to MNanme1z4xs

[@MNanme1z4xs]

here is a hit: idea guy =/= creative

[@backslash75]

“Find a way to make money, practice your creativity on the side” that is the hardest thing on the planet. To not dedicate 100% of your time to your creative pursuits.

[@austinjrb]

Breanna Sky for me personally it's the most fulfilling though because it stays FUN. Having explored my creative passion as a profession, the sheer consistency and discipline you have to constantly exert takes away the excitement. It's really demanding when you mix business and pleasure like that. The gains are satisfying and it feels good to improve in a way that you do only when you're full-time... but the fun and the "love" can get lost real quick.

[@andreasrasmussen6362]

If you like food on the table, thats what you do. Sometimes life is not exactly the way we expected.

[@diordrama]

It is hard, sad, but very true.

[@andreasrasmussen6362]

@Adrian Rivera those are a miniscule part of creative people. Most would be better off cleaning their room and do their damn job.

[@AhmadAmr98]

wouldnt i if i was a songwriter be the most sensible when i invest a 100% of my effort, thinking, and time and creativity and passion into writing songs,? wouldnt that make a great song? and people would want to buy it and stuff, and know me.. or if i am an actor invest all of that same shit into my acting to be the best actor and produce the best acting youve seen in a while? wouldnt someone for sure want that? same for accounting. be the best accountant, be the best doctor ever, make the best product ever, be the best marketeer.. wouldnt that be the wisest thing to do? where am i naive here? Edit: other than the fact of course that youll never be the best except way in the future, if there's even a definition for it.. but there's definitely a definition for excellent. And if i became excellent or produced something excellent and outstanding and only worked towards that, someone will want to utilize and take advantage of my production, of my work.. doesnt have to be the best, just really good..

[@redguy2076]

I always thought it was a curse to be creative --either you are neutered by the educational system or you live in constant anguish which others won't ever understand.

[@iliketurtles2531]

Yeah. Some people want to be "different" but actually being different is just lonely and no fun. It's like you have so much to tell to everyone but no one cares about your crap.

[@abhimanyutimbadia8467]

I SWEAR

[@Sheryl510]

Story of my life, caught between alternate dimensions.

[@pieroog]

same here... fortunately I've found the sweet spot in what J.Peterson says - good job and full-blown-creativity after that. Still, if I had a chance - I would switch the shit off, gladly.

[@budsworld1104]

Creatives risk their lives for art that might never see the light of day..that being said if you can crack the lid on it and make it to the other side you'll live the best life worth living

[@somedude000o0oo]

The hardest part is that there is nothing I'd rather do. My creative work gives my life meaning, and I'd probably die without it. It feels so lonely that no one understand what I do, but I keep going because nothing else makes my life worth it.

[@rakeemkoroma2398]

here with you brother, keep going for all of us and most importantly yourself. love!

[@janethuck3647]

You’re not alone . People like you do understand

[@jamesssdasds]

You’re not alone bro. We got this. 😊

[@randomisedrandomness]

I recommend Ayn Rand's The Fountainhead. It describes this issue really well.

[@somedude000o0oo]

Hey all. So after one year I think I have to make an update. Things changed, I changed as a person, and I've found something more important. You can see that under my comment is a sort of nihilism, the sense that nothing else matters, because I couldn't see what truly matters. I was an atheist/agnostic at the time. Since then, I regained my faith in God and now I'm a much happier person and have a more holistic view, caring about more things than just my little bubble. It's hard to explain everything in a short comment, but basically I went through the depths of hell and meaninglessness to be spiritually reborn. I'm not so self centered anymore, but God centered, which I think is one cure to the suffering I endured. This doesn't stop me from enjoying art, it just allows me to see beauty and meaning in more things than just that. My life has improved drastically since then in many ways. Thank you all for your encouragement, and I hope this comment inspires you.

[@burnpoet]

"You know you're a writer when not writing is as torturous as writing."

[@dominicbrogsdale3348]

DUDE!!! write books I got lucky with a job where I can write!! If i dont write I'll lose my mind it's like I HAVE TO GET THIS DONE!!! LOL I have 999 stories and then some to get done lol!!

[@dominicbrogsdale3348]

@Hassan Fuad woo thats deep!!!! I like that thanks for sharing! I mean lol id still find a way but it would most def be difficult without the pay!

[@angelategos8109]

BRILLIANT

[@lenabillare4443]

I feel that for drawing and painting. I stop for years, but everyday i would think about it, and be upset and depressed. It's my life purpose.

[@burnpoet]

@@lenabillare4443 Get back on it Lena! You can do it! A little bit each day.

[@ShawnBarnesbass]

"A comfortable life and a creative life are mutually exclusive"- Robert Fripp

[@lp2522]

SO true! That's partially why what he says in the video doesn't really add up. Be creative, but on the side of your actual job, as a hobby? I don't think he gets the dynamics of creativity. You can't be a true creator/ artist who's bringing something truly new to the world if money/physical comfort is at the top of your hierarchy of priorities, because of which you have a time/energy-consuming job, because of which you only practice your art on the side as a hobby. You'll probably make mediocre things, but you'll never go down in history as a great creator. Gotta sacrifice both internal/psychological and external/physical comfort for the sake of creativity.

[@chadczerny4219]

There have been many people who have perfected their craft by moonlighting. Some great people like William Faulkner, F. Scott Fitzgerald, and Charles Ives produced amazing works this way. On the other hand, other artists dedicated themselves fully to their art and also came up with great things. It varies with each person but I don't think it's such bad advice to practice your creativity as a hobby at first and see where things go. It's probably much safer and will most likely keep you from going crazy.

[@lp2522]

+Adam Ouissellat True, didn't really think about that. But artists usually don't think in terms of business. And really, I can't think of another minimal effort way to earn an income other than what you just mentioned. But even then that requires being able to afford a house in the first place, and most artists have a hard time finding money for next month's rent.... so you'd have to somehow break out of the cycle first.

[@lp2522]

+S. F. --Yeah, freedom is what the true artists want. Freedom isn't decadence, it can be having just enough to comfortably live. I know many people who just got into an art career to get rich and famous, and most of the time it doesn't work unless you are already somehow connected to the big art industry --or they get extremely lucky. It's not unfortunate that people's real reason for getting into art is fame and fortune, and they end up unsuccessful. What's truly sad is when an artist just wants the freedom to do what they can't help but doing otherwise they'll go crazy, but they can't make ends meet so they've got no freedom to do it.

[@lp2522]

S. F. --so you're saying society has pretty much made it impossible for a true artist...?

[@16shokushu]

Every art teacher on the planet should show this to their students.

[@icthulu]

Yes, but reality has no place in schools these days. You are stoned if you even suggest that school be a place that prepares you for a career.

[@angelyeas]

They'd lose their jobs.

[@Тоска-к8к]

You've been to highschool, right? All teachers want is to get you to go to college and ruin your life. Not everyone belongs in college, especially not at 18/19 fucking years old. It's criminal, but it's all part of the scheme.

[@replyandyourestupid5606]

@@icthulu Dam bro

[@edwardgaines6561]

This biggest kick in the balls is this: You can teach yourself how to draw on KZbin *FOR FREE!* Abd yet suckers enroll in art school every year. Don't chase your passion, chase the money! And _then_ spend it on your passion.

[@ERMediaOfficial]

As a creative guy doing creative stuff let me tell you: He is SPOT ON!

[@sophiagomez5619]

*sobs* ;-; concurred

[@EhCanadianGamer]

If you're creative, can't you think of creative ways of making money?

[@diordrama]

He really is. This should be common knowledge and part of the curriculum in art school.

[@JohnnyFrizz]

What do you do bro?

[@grahamparr3933]

Modest too😀

[@vnleao]

Being creative for a living is not only difficult but it can suck the life out of creativity. You're likely to run into clients and other people who place demands and expectations upon your resulting product that begin to kill the creative factor. You deal with harsh feedback where the reality is that they don't care about your creativity, they care about business and your creativity will get in the way of their business. Let me say it again, YOUR CREATIVITY *WILL* GET IN THE WAY OF THEIR BUSINESS. Your creativity offers them a selection of "potential" that gets you in the door, but the second you're in the door, your boss/clients/whomever will then demand you drop all creativity in favor of locking in your potential on just one outcome and sticking with it. The very thing that attracted them to you in the first place will become the thing they want least after you're hired. They don't want creativity, they want options so they can pick the best one then stick with that best option until they get what they want. The creative person is not going to "win," rather they survive while they get told to murder their best ideas so that a non-creative person is happy. Your boss/clients/etc WILL choose crappy ideas, they WILL demand that you copy the work of others, they WILL expect it to be cheap, they WILL compare you to non-creative people and think the non-creative ones are better because their work is cheaper, they WILL grossly undervalue you and your work, and they WILL demand a predictable product, not a creative one. They don't value creativity, they value good business, and creativity is the antithesis of good business due to its unpredictability. We're told that the cutting edge of the business world is all about creativity but it's not. It's about novelty and supplying that novelty to the demand or making a demand so they can shove their new supply and make money. Creativity shuns the structure required for business, and ultimately good business will kill creativity. If you want to take on a "creative profession," understand that you will NOT be entering a creative field 99.99999% of the time. Oh the specialized schooling for that field may seem creative, your classes may seem to foster a creative environment, but it doesn't even up that way. It's not about the creativity, it's about finding a novel idea and making money before the competition does. It's not even about who find a good idea first. Most things are just a repeat of something already done a million times over. The creativity you encounter while developing yourself for a creative career is NOT about your career but it all about developing yourself. YOU must re-create yourself many times over until you become marketable, at which point you must then freeze all creativity and simply continue to be marketable in that exact same way until a change is NEEDED. Changes don't get to be made for the sake of creativity unless you want to risk everything and possibly end your career early. Creative careers are NOT creative. They may produce something that inspires others, but the general day to day grind not only involves a lack of opportunity for creativity but also a demand that creativity is murdered. Creativity is like a beautiful song bird, except nobody wants to deal with the care of keeping of a song bird. They see the appeal but nobody wants the experience, so they record the bird's songs then kill it so they can take it for taxidermy and play the MP3 of its song whenever they like. It's convenient, marketable, and everyone is happy. Except the song bird. Creatives beware. Pick a field that lets you earn money and have time to be creative on the side. Don't try to make your inner song bird pay the bills because it is rare for a song bird to ever survive the ordeal.

[@jekabsd]

i totally agree to everything you say. 100% relatable

[@lp2522]

If your creativity is truly 'creative', you would find a way to become self-sufficient and not depend on employers. For instance, if you're a visual artist, you don't have to find an employer or constantly do commission work. If your art depends on references, you're skilled, but I wouldn't say creative. You depend on references to externalize your art, thus you'll always be under the thumb of clients. If you could find a way to still keep producing original work without needing anything beyond your own soul, eyes, and hands, then you'll be set, as long as you're consistently creating and finding the right place to sell your work, there will be someone to buy it; it will find a place in the world. I know what you mean about how suffocating the business world is to creative people. But maybe that's just a sign from the universe to the creatives that they need to grow to become self-sufficient with their creativity, otherwise it'll be the first thing to suffer. He says in the video to find a job that keeps body and soul together. Most jobs don't do that but maybe you're even less likely to find a job that doesn't make you miserable if you offer up your "soul" upfront (speaking in metaphors here). You're pretty much prostituting yourself if you try to use your creativity to get employed. You can't expect businesses to preserve the sanctity of the place your creativity comes from; they'll use beauty for profit just like every other leech does. So maybe it's best to not offer up your gifts to the one who can provide you with money, because he'll probably kill it. But that doesn't mean you should let it die too, just because making money to survive is a necessity. Cultivate it until the point it becomes self-sufficient and strong enough to put food on the table, and hopefully it does.

[@travv88]

"Being creative for a living is not only difficult but it can suck the life out of creativity. You're likely to run into clients and other people who place demands and expectations upon your resulting product that begin to kill the creative factor. " Yes! This is why Peterson said that it is very difficult to monetize creativity. When I first got into playing guitar I loved it, then I got into making music, and it was awesome, then I tried to monetize it and all soul was destroyed and I never want to play music again. sad I know haha. I gave up monetizing it, and now enjoy guitar occasionally as a hobby

[@travv88]

that is so sad but true. thanks for the comment.

[@mbw6785]

PreposterousWorld this is the truest comment I ever read today, and basically outlines why I'm a taxi driver instead of a rock musician because all the guys still playing music seriously in any sense and making any money out of it are playing mediocre cover versions, and while there's a skill involved in that it's not for me man.

[@mackenshaw8169]

Like how the girl comes in late and tries to sneak in as quietly as possible. Been there.

[@hulkito852]

She did a great job I did not notice her; then again I was really really attentive to the video.

[@ScarletDearest]

I'd be so ashamed walking in late to a Peterson lecture

[@FugieGamers]

TASHHHH lol why

[@sonicfoxxmusic4281]

Because she is focused in another area...CREATIVITY. ...and oblivious to most other things...lateness. ignoring a lot of what is going on around me and burning pizzas when writing songs is my area. Two blinding lines on a song seem more important than food at that very moment..as i can always eat later. To some folk, although it shouldn't be this way, they have more pressing issues than listening to a Jordan Peterson lecture(and Jordan would totally get that). TASHHHH may have a valid point.

[@alfianfahmi5430]

Reading this comment and witnessing the action right afer it. *P E R F E C T T I M I N G*

[@JohnDoe-gu4cq]

I'm a creative person and this is very relatable to me. I still have no idea how to get where I want to be.

[@h2s045]

In his full lecture, Jordan's advise for creative people was to find a stable job and practice their craft on free time on the side. As the creative fields are brutally competitive with large probablity of failure. His point was creativity is high risk - High Reward deal. Have someting to keep lights on essentially

[@hunterinfected6]

Manish, this is exactly what's on my mind. Being a surreal illustrator, I gotta make my own website to start my market. I cannot solely relly on that to sustain my life, it's definitely not enough. It's best to get a stable job with decent pay and just keep the art market as a sideline job for bonus cash whilst enjoying it primarily as a hobby.

[@h2s045]

Yep and when your hobby starts taking off. You can drop your job and go full in with safety of returning back to old job market in case of failure. It gives you support to lean on. Best of luck with your website

[@JohnDoe-gu4cq]

I actually already knew that. But my side creativity has amounted to nothing so far. I have been trying to find a job in the field I want to work but it's easier said then done. As you stated, it's a highly competitive field. Skills are more valuable than ideas. My hope was to use that career path to establish a base of my own from I could become independent work off of. But I have yet to get that far.

[@wanashthegash]

To hunterinfected6, if you also try to do something creative outside your passion, wich i assume is surreal art, try doing design, its a big market out there for that, its still high competative and hard to get into, but still its worth the thought!

[@4mb127]

Jordan just can't stop being extremely insightful.

[@hannahmadden3573]

More like EXPERIENCED with the rigged system.

[@rhondabulmer9604]

Well, I'm a writer and I have to say he's right. Haven't broken in yet, and I have to make a living in other ways. You must practice creativity for the joy of it. You know you're a writer when not writing is as torturous as writing.

[@steveryan1799]

And those who do break through seem to be set for life -- like a Stephen King or a JK Rawling -- they can just pick up the phone and tell a publisher they want to make a deal with a new book. On the flip-side, just imagine how many gems have been written but will remain unknown forever. Nevertheless, best of luck to you in your quest.

[@rhondabulmer9604]

This is true, although the Kings and the Rowlings--the kajillionaires--make up a very small percentage of writers. But I do know a few, self-published and otherwise, who can eat and pay the bills with the sale of their books. :) I have self-published three books, but right now, overwhelming success would be to snag my first real book contract. One step at a time!

[@steveryan1799]

What do you write about?

[@Colt8722]

Yes inquiring minds would like to know 👂 What do you write about? Me I write skits, among other things. Only problem is I'm doing it all on my own and have and know no one who shares my interest. If I do finally meet someone and we click in that department, then I gotta be able to know I can trust them

[@JohnBradydoesstuff]

Rhonda Bulmer that's the best statement of being a writer that i have ever heard. Brilliant.

[@Dobiecx]

I went to an top art and design college and they basically tell you the last part (about finding work to make $ while practicing your creativity on the side) during orientation. And the most successful artists I know from college did just that. A lot though get stuck making the money but not practicing the art. I think it just shows, as the Dr said, how difficult it is.

[@chiefhardy6312]

It's really difficult. I just took a job in San Diego and I'm simultaneously learning music/film. It's going to be long hours, then having to find the mental drive to work on those passions instead of going out like most people will. It's the vision of being able to sustain off of my ideas in the future that keeps me going though

[@madadem2652]

As a musician, I’ve never wanted to die more than after hearing these cold hard facts.

[@tangerinesarebetterthanora7060]

Just remember to do it first and foremost for yourself. Hang in there.

[@madadem2652]

@@tangerinesarebetterthanora7060 I am. But my hands are slipping

[@VengefulPolititron]

you are born a certain way. Not everything is for you. not all rockclimb or paint. or like cars. be yourself. your comfort zone is to protect you. it's who you are. we. are. not. the. same. we should Not try to do everything others do. or be all things. we can't. accept your born limitations. love yourself. do not go with the flow. ignore the crowds. the majority. they are wrong. be you. be kind and find God

[@davcacho]

I thought the same nigga, but the least you need is a pessimist guy like this, his perspective is only on monetizing, but as long as your happy that's whats life's about

[@schlont]

@@madadem2652 TikTok it’s almost like free advertising w insane reach. You make songs, you already creative. Use some of that creativity to make some short lil vids to get your music out there. It’s worth a shot, plus you can target almost any audience you want w the right hashtags

[@marcus00077]

This man is so wise. So grounded in reality.

[@MotocrossElf]

Grounded not in reality but in the cynical facts of post-Protestant Capitalist culture. So many other social arrangements don't punish creativity the way our society does.

[@monogramadikt5971]

artists create the world but get treated like the lowest life forms

[@monogramadikt5971]

you fucking know it ;)

[@bevrosity]

they create the culture at least. idk about the world.

[@diavasmamevroxi]

That is capitalism, it doesn't matter who made something, the people who will sell it get the reward

[@DonutVideos]

That’s because only 0.0001% of creative people actually create a change to society. Most artists by statistical definition never have any meaningful impact on society; it’s a high risk, high reward function and as a result: yes. Most artists are treated like shit

[@andreasrasmussen6362]

Depends on your definition of an artist. A painter adds no real value to society other than creating stuff thats pleasant to gaze upon. An engineer for example is a much more utilible proffesion and will actually improve the state of society.

[@jamesblack8173]

I've watched this a million times, and much of it really chimes with my experience of being a creative person. However, it is very easy for non-creative people to lecture about 'get a job'. As he says, when creative types are not being creative they are effectively being suffocated. To the outside world this looks like laziness or being work-shy etc., but I have worked numerous difficult jobs and I have stuck them out. That said, every job has made me miserable. It's not as simple as 'get a job on the side', especially today. The chances are that your do-add is going to be just as a precarious as your artistic vocation, and not well paid enough on a part time basis. Also, artists can't afford to be too practical. You have to be unpractical, by definition. You can't understand creativity from a utilitarian perspective. I like him though, and the self-authoring programme has been a game changer for me.

[@jamesblack8173]

Bit of a cliche mate.

[@ohd00bley]

What many don't understand when listening to Peterson is he is a traditionalist... a conformist. There isn't anything new he's espousing that hasn't been said before. I'm about 6 mos. older than he and essentially a non conformist in mind and deed. I knew the risks and therefore did not produce any children and have little attachment to people. The bulk of people with free minds were NOT financial successful and/or highly regarded by society in their time. It is only later we heap praise on their talents. This includes many of the people he references; the foundation of his philosophy. Make a choice, if conformity and financial success is your goal heed his advice. If integrity and being free (as in an Erich Fromm narrative) know that you will (likely) not be financially successful. What burdens you less? "There are people who don’t accept, who aren’t obedient. *They are weeded out, they’re driving taxi cabs, they’re behavior problems.* The long-term effect of this is to *reward and foster subordination;* it begins in kindergarten and goes all the way through your professional or other career. If you challenge authority, you get in one or another kind of trouble. Again, it’s not 100 percent the case, and there are some areas of life were it’s dramatically not the case, but on average and overwhelmingly in the outcomes, it holds." -- Noam Chomsky __________ Some will ask why do I bother listening to Peterson; while I often disagree with his analysis there can't be any denying of his skill as an orator and it's useless to me to only investigate or listen to those you agree with.

[@InvisibleFeats]

As a creative person, you can always try the other side of your brain. I was born to write, yet decided to go into computer science for income as I could extract similar principles of writing and put them into database design, algorithms, modules, and functions. When I retired, I let my inner author use [English] words again. When I write now, it's for pure joy and improvement of my craft, not for money. There was no loss of passion in designing code; it was equal to designing novels.

[@Andyp12]

While I get the point (ironically the same uncreative point this comments section is filled with) there is absolutely creativity in utilitarianism. It might not be as moving as a hit song or a beloved painting, but the creative endeavour of utility is why anything works at all and why modern living in developed nations is filled with infrastructures and technology which make life easier and have a useful function. I do understand the plight of struggling artists, and it does get worse in more densely populated areas like major cities. Its hard to stand out in a crowd that big and a lot of successful artists in that environment are not necessarily the most skilled at their craft, but the most skilled at marketing and managing attention. I don't know of any clear solution to that issue because, as a species, we've only lived in such conditions for a short while. But I do think inhabiting the business aspects of city living for too long causes long-term mental health damage. And not in a way that is always detectable, since they are not damaging to the individual in an obvious internal way, instead they tend to manifest as harmful to those around the person. But as long as that person makes money for their company (or worst of all is in charge) then nothing is going to change because people, understandably, want a quick fix from the stressful rat-race and making as much money in as short a time as possible, regardless of the expense to others well-being, looks (in their opinion) like the best way out for a lot of people.

[@danijelcerkic273]

Good comment, thank you. Good luck.

[@seansweetman]

5:45 I can testify to what he says here, worked in retail for 8 years while I built my skills producing video content... Lotta late nights editing (which I loved). When I felt I was ready financially and developed enough in craft, I took the leap to freelance 2 years ago and never looked back. Its been a struggle but the best 2 damn years of my life... worked with Sly Stallone last year now this year Im producing a web series doc with actual budget.

[@charlesmiller6281]

Amazing, isn't it, to hear someone who thinks logically, explains clearly, and uses language effectively? We've grown so accustomed to illogic, innuendo, and vagueness its really strange to hear someone so staggeringly genuine. I love it!

[@sarthakvinchurkar]

Precisely this. This is why I love watching him talk.

[@reminint5192]

I relate to this so much... I'm a songwriter and I have dozens and dozens of songs I've written and recorded but it's hard to imagine that anyone will ever hear them because marketing is INCREDIBLY difficult and music platforms are over saturated... It almost feels like I've been given a gift that I can't use... Basically a useless talent. Creativity can be a curse indeed.

[@tristanmoller9498]

Are those the ones on your channel? If you have a different link, post it in an answer to this, I'll check it out.

[@jordanm1186]

5:00 is exactly what I needed to hear to know I am on the right path. I work my day job but on the side I play music and also cut gemstones which is where my creative itch gets satisfied. I am hoping to monetize my passions one day but I am not letting go of my day job to do it.

[@lovelycars1]

This guy is a dream killer....no matter how crazy or hard it is it's been done and it's all been done every day...

[@shadowbandit3975]

Yah someone wins some type of lottery everyday too

[@miepmaster25]

stevenstrumpf7 no human should exist at all, me included

[@DamianHigginsmusic]

I just quit my job to be a full-time musician. Today was literally my first day. Thanks for the inspiration Jordan! 😄

[@LuanaVasco88]

Damian Higgins Music all the best

[@jackkeenan1360]

how is it going?

[@TroyOwen8867]

God luv ya!

[@Yetipfote]

... so good luck with THAT!

[@Yetipfote]

how so?

[@chinitosperon1462]

I always come to this guy when i need a boost on my motivation, to prove him wrong.

[@diordrama]

As a working creative - HE IS RIGHT. You need another source of income/job if you want to sustain a career.

[@airjawcruz]

The most incredible thing about Peterson is that he has ZERO business or creative entrepreneurial (trying to make it as an artist, actor, musician, etc.) experience but understands business and the effort / risk / difficulties involved to such a deep degree. He really nails it. Most people in life who have no experience in a realm begin and end by getting their understanding of it completely wrong

[@Monksyes]

Im a songwriter and I saw a therapist for 4 years. One of the reasons I was there was trying to come to terms with how I can be a creative person and still be happy. I spent 10 years going from job to job - failing each one in the hope that one day my music hobby would take off magically. My problem was that in those 10 years i never really enjoyed any of my jobs so was feeling more and more useless as a person. Only in the last year have I found some work that actually uses my strengths and i don't dread going to every day. My relationship to writing music now is very free and enjoyable. I still dream of making money off music one day but like Jordan Peterson says having a way to make money besides music has taken a lot of pressure off. Ive been much more content lately and at the same time passionate about my writing. Pursuing music is always an ongoing process but It's an important lesson in responsibility that I needed to learn.

[@rainbow9832]

Thank you so much for providing your path, reeeally helpful for me. If you dont mind me asking, how are you doing now?

[@kunmiakinbode]

I appreciate Jordan Peterson's words on creativity. It is high risk, high reward. It's insane how accurate this is. But, I find myself considering this; being creative should be absolutely ubiquitous in every area of your business/life, not just in the creation of a product or service. I mean, after the product has been made, be creative in attracting your clients, be creative in negotiations and on and on. Being creative is about seeing something out of nothing. Constantly problem solving with your thoughts. I think the only problem with creativity is anxiety

[@__-fu5se]

So far the only comment bring light to the fact that creativity isn't confined to the popular arts, but virtually to anything involving novel ways of thinking and strategies. Art is but an aspect of creativity.

[@beyondher]

Yes, the only problem is the anxiety and that explains all the drinking problems!

[@and_were_just_supposed_to_4110]

I’ve got to say… I hit BIG in my field of work. I got a highly coveted creative position professionally in my field of art… and it’s funny because sometimes I look for ways to get out (even though I’m not starving and can pay all of my bills I could make triple my salary with a more “sensible” job)… but the more I do it and less focus I give to myself creatively, the more I wilt mentally (like that tree he talks about). This advice is spot on… and the Curse of Creativity is absolutely right. You’ve gotta made peace with it one way or another.

[@juliaflohr]

As a professional illustrator, what has worked for me is finding out what the market wants/needs before creating a product. Not creating something to figure it out later

[@angelyeas]

I wish I could've found this video 4-5 yrs ago. At a young age, I was swindled by those around me into thinking that by venturing forth in the path of your 'passion', that all will turn out well in the end. Bullshit. By going to college for a creative path, my passion for it has not only tapered but has been forever tarnished. If any of you are applying to college at the moment and are thinking of pursuing an art degree, MAKE ABSOLUTE SURE that the skills learned are marketable and will allow you to graduate with a job. *If you don't need a degree to get a job in that field, then don't bother going to college for it*. Follow a realistic and marketable degree or learn trades that will make you employable. Do your art on the side. I have friends that are trying to get their Masters in Fine Arts with the hope of one day "getting lucky". I am currently making a career change and hoping to change my fate before it's too late. Despite making money from my art online, I would never gamble my entire livelihood on it.

[@tuduloo7799]

Artists dont do their art 'on the side'.. I say follow your passion and never give up.

[@KeanuOR]

When everybody's super, no one is" - Buddy The Incredibles

[@Casey_Truman]

Expressing my creativity is one of the only things that gives me purpose and drive and I'll never stop doing it. I don't care how hard it is I know I'm already successful at it cuz I won't give up.

[@duderama6750]

I started recording music by bouncing tracks between cassette players, and it was a thrill. Just do it, money be damned.

[@MertBert]

I've been freelancing in video editing and VFX for 8 years and I'm gonna buy my first apartment next year in the capital of Norway (super steep price ranges), and I've always been the 5-10 minutes late kind of person in classes and at work. If I can do it, a lot of other people should be able to : ) Everyone has a 'poison' in their life. If my creative and unsteady lifestyle is my poison, then I'll be happy doing it for centuries onward. Stay hydrated and happy, folks. And don't listen too much to Jordan Peterson, he's getting old and his views are very limited.

[@picosdrivethru]

there are quite a few ways to make money as an artist, they just don't offer you total creative control (at least at first), just got to compromise...

[@MertBert]

@@picosdrivethru An artist should never have total creative control. There's so many variables for a product (in any shape) that artists will never grasp, so cooperating with others is key. Also I got that apartment I was looking forward to purchase : ) Feels good.

[@kandaimai9944]

I agree with your statement that one shouldn't be too sucked in by everything Peterson says, but is that an objection to the contents of this video?

[@johnbalfour8157]

There's something profoundly pathetic about the juxtaposition of "creativity" and "monetize". I know he's talking about creativity in terms of how successful it can make you in capitalist society, but it's quite depressing to think that some brilliant invention or masterpiece of art should be judged at all on how much money it can make.

[@iliketurtles2531]

+John Balfour But creative people aren't god. They can't eat air to live.

[@psterud]

Well, people have to survive. But you're right in the sense that creativity and the ability to make money are disparate things. In my experience, the people who were the best at marketing their art were the least talented artistically. And the people who were the best at making art were the least talented with making money. Every once in a while an artist finds a way to blend the two, but that generally requires the help of others who possess the skills they lack. A great example would be a band that requires a producer to show them how to play their own music in order to please an audience, and a record label to market and promote the music.

[@sonicfoxxmusic4281]

Hey "I like turtles"...i find two or three home-made wraps with thinly spread mayo/salad cream, cheap ham, a little Masadam cheese and a couple of small cherry tomatoes all bought from LIDL is incredibly cheap and does the trick. Then create....i co-wrote the song in this true story on it...... BUSKERS are some of the coolest guys on the street...check out this dude in the link below...i found him busking in Bath, England, asked him if he'd write a song or two with me. Four years later, he rang me after keeping my number safe.... Now we have a song...this is a real story... Some great dudes come from off of the streets...check this man out...... www.amazon.com/Stephen-Russell-Digital-Music/s?page=1&rh=n%3A163856011%2Ck%3AStephen%20Russell My name is Sonic Foxx...i specialise in finding exceptional talented buskers and writing with them. A lot of musicians are skint and don't deserve to be....please buy Stephen's song. He's worthy..and the humblest man i have ever met. Now we eat together.

[@sergeygrigorchuk]

bullshit creativity should have reception. No one ready to buy stuff you do? Well, looks like no one cares?

[@tommeakin1732]

The amount of money it can generate is a direct reflection of how desirable it is to people, i.e. how useful it is or how much pleasure it will give people. A brilliant invention *will* make someone a lot of money if they're not naive and go about it correctly

[@ethansadberry6069]

Finally someone is saying something that i've felt all my life. I simply cannot help but be creative, I don't see much of a point to life if I can't do it. I understand how crazy that sounds but it's about as honest as I can be. Thank you for the upload.

[@tochkov]

One of the worst things I experience is that I can't force it. I don't seem to have full control over my mental energy. I can't summon my creativity whenever I need it. I can do some regular stuff, bored to death for 3 days straight, and then "the god of creativity" slams me - I become super energetic and can be ultra-creative and productive for 15+ hours straight. I forget sleep, I forget food, I have 200% percent concentration. My brain is like on steroids. But as I said I don't know how to enter this condition on demand. That makes my working process highly inconsistent. Anybody has the same problem? Anybody found a solution?

[@adam8815]

i feel you. if you're not feeling creative or energetic in that sense, then try to learn more. i find that through learning you open certain pathways for ur creativity

[@cracksdhead]

I know precisely what you mean, because I used to have this exact problem (still do from time to time) and adam salah is right. I find that when I research things and read articles about what I wanna base my graphic novel off of, my creativity spikes up; I get so many ideas because of the new information presented to me.

[@rickc2102]

The answer is discipline. Keep grinding away consistently, day to day. That way, when those special times do hit you're there already working, yet when they're absent, you're still building your baseline skill through just putting in the hours.

[@Colt8722]

CracksDhead not trying to be a dick but it sounds like those are not your ideas then

[@Colt8722]

CracksDhead but it's okay, as I've thought it over for just a moment, everything's been done before. and we just have to put our own signature spin on it right 👍

[@coachrazankilani5092]

I found myself nodding to every word Dr Peterson was saying in this video. The curse of creativity lies in the challenge of learning to structure your thinking to allow for your creative flow to run through leading to a tangible item people can enjoy, learn from or consume. Thank you Dr. Peterson! This video has touched upon a common disadvantage that I come across in my daily thinking.

[@Jacob-jg6cd]

I think this coincides with why a lot of artists and creative people experience so much tragedy in their personal lives.

[@randomdude9135]

I think social media and KZbin have made it easier for creative people to showcase their talent. That's one good thing about these sites

[@andrewstanley]

A truly creative person finds a way around all those obstacles.

[@diordrama]

A creative person creates ways around the obstacles to success. John Lennon said it best "give me a tube and I will give you art". Or put another way-There is no art, just artists and everything an artist does is art. Painting, sculpting, obstacle solving etc.

[@colettepentax66]

Because of creativity that I possess in my experience with a great job of writing a new novel about my own life experience with a great story about capitalism and real world peace I think it would make sense that you can be very proud to see that your own family members have been able to make you feel better.

[@HallBanks]

Being creative with the main goal to make money is a curse. Being creative with the sole purpose of going into the unknown allows people to explore ideas, and that's a good thing.

[@579Glenn]

Very true. I feel fortunate my parents gave me some industrial psychology testing as a late teen and they said the same thing. Find something you can make money with, preferably that you like, and do your creative stuff on the side. I have had a great life designing houses for money and playing music in various bands for fun.

[@paololigori]

As always Jordan is on point. The thing is that once you really understand creativity, how it works, what the brain does to achieve that state, you have higher control of it and can apply it to things such as marketing and sales, which are the opposite face of the coin- the key here is to look at the ultra successful artists and see how they integrated their marketing to their craft- I think the key here is to blend marketing as a "style" for some of your creations- Meaning that you'll need to split you art in 2 pieces: A more commercial and marketable so you can get traffic and money And an authentic untouched part that makes you fully express yourself Just dropped a video talking about those things and then this video just came up lol

[@grubbymanz3928]

creativity is by far my greatest asset, and it isn't really a curse at all, now that i'm older. I have monetized my artwork and music at times, but that generally felt compromising to the product to some degree, I have certainly made things I love that nobody responds to, and that stings. However, creativity is also my greatest asset as a doctor, and I imagine, it is an asset to whatever field creative people pursue. It was what made me stand out and get accepted into a number of med schools, it has guided my thinking in terms of generating novel research approaches and new therapeutics, it helps me write, communicate, think, and process my life, and is an essential part of my identity as a doctor. Creativity is also the way I can relate to my kids and meet them at their level of play, and be a better husband with new ideas and improvisations to make life fun. It's really only a blessing and def the part of me I think ppl respect the most.

[@SunriseSong-v6d]

Exactly! I am a creative person as well. There are other avenues to fuel creativity in which people can make a living. They just need to develop a skill set or acquire a degree that is congruent with their talent.

[@dorcasbass5585]

As a retired art lecturer I used to include this information as part of my lectures because it is true to being a creative individual.

[@coopart1]

I'm a creative person. This man is so spot on. Took me 40 years to realize it , but he is right, and after all, I'm still happy being creative with little to no monetary gain.

[@RedRumble14]

did you turn your passion into your job or was just doing it on the side?

[@coopart1]

@@RedRumble14 for me, I have a creative job. But it’s not my passion. I do my serious art stuff evenings and weekends. Sell some but not enough to make a living. So I go to work doing creative things at others demands for money.

[@KTChamberlain]

Thank God I've heeded his words over decade before seeing this video, because I've been working to support myself and on the side focused on my creativity.

[@lajyo]

This speaks to me in so many ways.

[@benink5690]

Jordan Petersons best works happened before he got famous. Love coming back to this. Thank you! Sincerely, Someone who also watched Peterson Academy and loves it Sub

[@3dge--runner]

man as a musician, (and a talented one at that if I can humbly say so), this is so on point. It has been so difficult.

[@Megacaillou]

In many ways, it's better to not be creative. Just imagine moving through life while your family says you ought to quit wasting your time working on your greatest passion. Or better yet, when you find a group that doesn't shut you down flat but you still only get a "Cool story bro" before they go on talking about whatever newest book just dropped. Compare that to having a craft that you slowly work your way up into without having overwhelming doubts. A craft that everyone can understand. Working and honing this craft can only do you good. It can make money and fulfill everything you need in life. People automatically appreciate what you do and you appreciate the craft in return. For most, it's an awful thing to be creative. You can't turn it off and if you ignore the push, it literally eats your mind and nobody understands. I hate it sometimes.

[@shanebaker9407]

cut to 5:47...the most creative person in the room actually enters the room

[@zgoombah1308]

She's a _tiny minority_.

[@savagetruthercritic8646]

Shane Baker ding!

[@timmytoms__]

*badum tsss!

[@leilachristie1861]

My 7 year old daughter is definitely a creative person. She's dedicated to drawing in a way I wasn't. She's starting to learn piano, she's reading independently alot. She's been doing this since 2. I am in awe of her creativity.

[@graemeroberts2935]

"You guys are gonna have a helluva time monetizing your creativity." How deeply true."

[@jaskamalmann3341]

thank you now i know im extraverted intuitive 1) problem solving 2) perfomring-improvisation drama, role playing 3) engaging in discussions and debates 4) undertaking instruction 5) interacting, learning side by side with experts

[@seonglee8776]

Listen to Jordan Peterson - a person with bachelor and masters in music, now an accountant

[@Musalchemy]

I completely understand what he’s talking about. I’m a songwriter but teach to make to make money (I actually really enjoy it too!). A lot of people constantly tell me I’m not using my creative potential to the full, not dreaming big enough. Although I’m writing and recording more than I ever did. We are told to “follow our dreams!!” Such an overwhelming task as creative success is so subjective/abstract. I appear to many as having “given up”.

[@haroldpetzold1033]

He is right about the fruit tree. Talent does what it can. Genius does what it must.

[@kuroyuki6254]

He's right. I completely agree with his advice to get a job and leave your creativity as a hobby. A couple of years ago I was dreaming about finding a job where I can use my creativity, but I gave up. I realized that once I start doing what I'm so passionate about as a job, it will stop being so enjoyable. It has always been like that for me. So now I work in a company and write a book when I have free time. It might take a while, but I love doing it. And even if my book doesn't get popular I know I won't starve to death.

[@TroyOwen8867]

You may not be as creative as you believe.

[@theprojectionist1]

Well this is depressing. Do any of you want to buy my upcoming book? Funnily enough, it's about depression :D

[@ulrikschackmeyer848]

Not at the moment, thank you. But you DID manage to make your personal point, adding individuality to the general rule. AND in a creative, (gallow-)humours way. And that is NOT 'NOTHING'. We may not be succesful (yet) , but we CAN laugh at it and THUS better bare the the burdens of a miserable, torturous life. A VERY Jordanesque point. You would make him PROUD, I think. Good luck and God bless.

[@EhCanadianGamer]

I'm in a reading mood, assuming you aren't joking.

[@diordrama]

It's only depressing if you consider it depressing. If you consider it part of your journey and that journey is the price of success then it becomes easier to accept. I've been working 25 years on my dream and I can happily say it's going well. But damn, if I knew it was as hard as this getting here I'm not sure I would have done it.

[@jem5431]

totally

[@antoniamills3000]

@@ulrikschackmeyer848 key word: YET! Persevere and good luck 👍🏼

[@Chloe2000mm]

One of the main challenges of a creative person is to find the right people to build alliances with. No matter how business savvy a person has become, there's comes a point that they have to acknowledge that they need other people in order to grow and expand their ideas and business. Artists and creative people are no exception. This will take time, but if you are persistent, open minded/flexible and you have something truly valuable to offer, you can create what Stephan Covey would call win win relationships.

[@carolingi1741]

Peterson is one of a kind

[@Zenfix1]

. "There is no innovation and creativity without failure." - Brené Brown

[@OUANEMUSIC]

The girl comes late to class and hears "you'll starve to death otherwise"

[@saint9958]

Listening to how he talks about creativity really touched my soul. A lot deemed creativity as stupidity. I've never been a logical thinker, therefore I am seen as stupid. It's a curse, I get frequent nightmares, most are out of the ordinary. Really surprise me how powerful the subconscious minds are. Most of the ideas would come flowing in, like tiny sparks. I can't cover those tiny jolt. If i do, I am utterly drained. I never know why I feel deeply rootedly passionate in the arts. They flow upon me like blood able to stabilise with olive oil haha. True, find a job, find a way to make money....

[@nalissolus9213]

Nikola Tesla vs. Thomas Edison ...

[@nalissolus9213]

Technical genius often comes with low social intelligence too (Autism/Asperger spectrum //Extreme male mind). Thus these people have a hard time navigating the social world. Salesmen types on the other hand are much better at the social stuff and often exploit and manipulate. This is the lense I view the Tesla Edison thing through.

[@h2s045]

They have different personality traits. There is no point in objectively defining who is better. Both have their own strengths and at least one weakness if or when they face a problem. On their own - Both are geniuses

[@blakeplace1744]

well, one is a marketing and sales genius :P the other is a real genius

[@NoBody-ew2ep]

This guy fucking IS the crook if he says not everyone is creative in the first sentence of the video. He cannot fucking know that. I ask that he proves the statement - GOOD LUCK. That is gross misrepresentation of an unknowable thing, presented as certainty - DECEPTIVE IDEA. Anyone speaking deceptive shit should not present themselves as if they know something others do not. This is clearly and easily falsifiable theoretically within moments. Get over this bullshit.

[@marverickmercer1968]

@No Body if your creativity only limited to ideas someone else has already figured out or only the most obvious solution, then it's not creative isnt it ? And I am not talking about stealing ideas either. Imagine this, if you are alone in a void, how long will it took you to invent the wheel from scratch ? Or highschool level Math? Or the Theory of Relativity ? There was a time when mankind did not understand the concept of the number 0, but that time has pass now that enough people have come up with enough obvious solutions to obvious problem, we can move on to more complex and abstract problems, that require very complex and creative solution, that not many people can come up with. that's what "not everyone is creative" mean.

[@tiernanmurphy5519]

The first thing she hears when walking into class is “you’ll starve to death” lmao 5:49

[@letsgoBrandon204]

I have one of the brutal personality combos too. High neuroticism and low conscientiousness. They play off each other and compound their negative elements. I find that using my fear of stagnation as a state I would very much like to avoid and use that as a kick to try to overcome my lack of motivation. I think the trick is to try to work out how you can use the positive and negative elements of your personality as levers to edge you towards something a little less terrible than where you are. Not sure what to do with high openness but that's not my issue. It takes work and experience but you pick up speed if you stick at it. Discomfort is your friend. He can be a real pain in the arse to be around at times, but he really does want to help. He's a nice guy deep down and you feel guilty for not being around him more.

[@kandaimai9944]

having the same exact problems as you trait wise, really hard to get down and do things. I'll set up a schedule and all that but not actually act on it

[@guest0407]

He's right that creative ppl have no choice but to use their creativity or they're miserable. I'm a writer in terms of hobby, and I had a job where I performed simple routine actions. I'd show up to work every day so exhausted that it felt like I was taking years off my own lifespan. Either I'd be barely coherent or I'd be bouncing off the walls with irritation. I started snapping at coworkers and even customers (I'm high in agreeableness, so this was strange). I was just. so. miserable. it felt like being trapped in a nightmare. I quit my job and started working on some short-stories. My brain was swimming in dopamine and I felt like I was constantly smiling and at peace, in spite of being temporarily jobless. Creative ppl have to be creative. Our survival depends on it.

[@Cash4Fruit]

I love business because I'm creative, and want my ideas to come to light... I would love to JUST be creative... but I know how hard that is

[@Pablo-oi5rt]

I hate how when people talk about "creative" the only talk about musicians or writers or artists. A lot of them literally do just what the next person does, that's not what creativity is. There is so much creativity in maths or business that is overlooked bc ppl seem to have a fixed image of what "creative" means and stuck it to only those who work in the arts

[@sagecreekwitt3301]

This is brilliant, there are some great comments posted here. I'm a creative person. I was lucky enough to have a mother who was so tough and demanding that I found working in a cabinet shop at age 12 easier than going home after school. This enabled me to learn a skill that I've used to provide myself a living for the last 30 years. Owning a cabinet shop has given me a little bit of a creative outlet, but the jobs that are profitable are the normal boring , production Jobs. I've found that if you truly care about quality and the golden rule, you won't be able to stomach things like increased productivity using sub par employees and cheap hardware. Thus I make much less than I could, but I sleep well. I'm fairly successful despite being creative. Successful defined as make a descent living and having a creative enough outlet to not go insane. Ha ha It's a burden. You will derive payment from things like satisfaction and accomplishment. But money is needed also...a necessary evil.

[@jonathanwells9664]

Very reinforcing for creative people. It's nice to hear that many others struggle with creating and selling their ideas. It's easy to get discouraged when you are the only person you know that is interested or knowledgeable about a potential useful invention, idea, product, process, etc. I guess that is where networking, sales, implementation, and other things are important. The things that are necessary for success that come after the idea have definitely been the most difficult for me.

[@joware-d6t]

1997 and my paintings were starting to open doors for me. Suddenly I became very sick with manic depression. I forgot how to paint 4:54 , colors, brushes names and purpose. Very jarring. My painting ability and output is now getting very, very good again. HOWEVER, everything Jordan has to say in this clip is absolutely correct. Hey. I paint every night after work. However sacred my artwork might be you can’t paint for an audience as it stifles creativity, I have sold online and will continue to, but all of the issues that Jordan presents are reality and each task is a different type of thinking.

[@DraconaiMac]

I'm so glad someone said this clearly. I'm a creative person but I'm always yelling at other creators to put food in the mouth before you paint your masterpiece. Don't buy music with the rent money. Creators hate that (myself included) but body and soul have to have priority.

[@whatdoesthisthingdo]

The curse of creativity is being confined by the rules.

[@Deri_Seh]

Jordan's speech about rough truth inspires and makes me work even harder.

[@robc2742]

My 2 cents on this video: if you are strongly driven to dedicate your life to a creative passion, and you face the scenario Peterson talks about here, seek alternative ways to generate an income but always prioritizing options where you can employ your creative gift, in that way you continue to nurture it and remain in your path. Peterson is a highly reputed achademic but he doesn't teach fine arts for a reason, he is a traditionalist and while his advice is rational, it's far too pragmatic to be of nurturing value to creative people pursuing their passion. Finally, for a real artist the reward is in the creation itself, not how much money it may generate, it is paradoxically those who see it that way who become known for their work and consequently end up making money with it.

[@ShawnTheMidget]

Just dropped out of my Business and Computer Science program to go do something more creative. I'm not completely miserable for the first time in 4 years. I wish I'd learned these lessons earlier.

[@catpaws1913]

Creativity is great if you're stuck on an island in the middle of nowhere. You'll have a survival rate of 93.6%

[@corm1000]

This speech is the reason why our world is full of forgotten wonders.

[@lol101lol101lol10199]

Any ideas on how to monetize brilliant original KZbin comments?

[@Niggipoo]

Open a Patreon account and leave the link in your brilliant original KZbin comments. ^.^

[@gunnarMyTube]

Offer a service selling a whole troll army that at pretty reasonable fees write the kind of comments the KZbin publisher wants.

[@whatdoesthisthingdo]

Make YT videos about people’s reactions to them.

[@senecaaurelius1811]

3:57 Norman Osborn: “oh, you can’t do this to me…I started this company…don’t you know how much I sacrificed!?!”

[@malignor9035]

Self-diagnosis. Creative and analytical... and probably with ADHD. Finished high school by deconstructing the quizzes and exam questions, and learning from those questions, enough to pass. No studying, no homework, no paying attention in class. In the exam, I created my own methods for math and science and literature as I went. During class I wrote short stories, drew pictures and designed role-playing games (a la D&D). I've created enough cultures, races, societies, religions and stories to rival Marvel or Disney. You should see my Googledocs storage. So I'm a lazy fuck with no memory, no attention span, and no time management skills. Somehow I got a degree and a government job in healthcare info-technology. One where I can channel some of my creativity by innovating automation for other teams. I "work hard to be lazy" *It is a curse.* I have all these ideas, but no motivation or follow-through to market them. But I can't help myself - the stories and ideas *DEMAND* my attention, and I even get distracted at work, always writing and designing, when I should be working. To cover for it, I'm constantly lying and deceiving those around me - my manager, my wife... I still meet my deadlines, and solve very complex problems and help people, but I could be so much more if only the urge to create didn't dominate me so much. All that creativity is just being poured down an empty hole nobody will ever look at. I've probably wasted 70% of my life in a countless array of pointless daydreams, concealed by lies.

[@IvicaArmanas]

If I may say: you must find a way to publish/let the world know your work... don't insult God by not finishing beautifull ideas and projects... you will also avoid regret later in life... it is a curse but dull and plain people woulld kill for such gift... we all get missions according to our capabilities and capacity to finish them...

[@dazhill50]

malignor sell me some videos you lazy fuck

[@bevrosity]

really dude? lol i hope youre trolling.

[@mrtacha]

Someday it will pay off

[@EITFM]

As someone who has successfully monetized creativity, not a huge fan of Peterson saying it’s impossible. Feel like that’s pretty discouraging and an overly negative characterization. If I had seen this video 10 years ago, trusting Jordan as much as I do, I may have never tried. If you think practically and combine some business knowledge it’s highly realistic with all of the tools and distribution channels available to everyone on the modern internet.

[@bipedalbob]

I read long ago that creative people, like the ones history remembers, from the arts or sciences or what ever are often afflicted with a mental illness of some sort as well. From the limited research I've done it seems to be true.

[@bryman1213]

As a dreamer-creative this hit home so well! Thank you!!!!

[@ahyaok100]

I've listened to this guy talk and talk and talk. He likes to talk and he's a smart guy but you can tell he had a father who drilled things into him and he's his father right now. What does "moving forward in life" really mean? If people are so focused on being extraordinary they'll never see the extraordinary in the ordinary. You don't need that much to live a happy life.

[@DaveyNerdburg]

Wisdom. I think many of us are afraid of the usual judgements such as: slacker, late-bloomer, etc .There is an expectation that we go further and further. I agree.

[@diordrama]

eh? That's kinda overly personal and far reaching if you ask me. You are just contextualising with your own perception.

[@JoCo480]

This is why there are different people in life, you want to stay where you are but many want more and more and more. Both are important and I think Its the way of things. Some people just like being in the same box others want to get a newer, bigger box.

[@DMDvideo10]

I've been creative my whole life... For many years I had no direction but I used art, music, and building things as a creative outlet. In my 30s I dove into the computer graphics age and turned it into a successful 23 year business that allowed me to work from home, support my family, and spend more time with them. But I know so many other creatives that still haven't found or carved their niche...

[@HerbalAssailant]

Crap dude... It kinda sucks to hear someone else talk about something that's already affecting you. I feel like garbage when I'm not creating something, because I know my time is just slipping away and I could be doing something productive and helpful for society. But creativity is so fleeting for me and I still haven't found anything that really speaks to me job wise. Most of the time I feel like my creativity is both my biggest strength and my greatest weakness.

[@owenbevt3]

Exatly. It's hard to explain why I strugle so hard to make myself go to work every morning. It seems such a minor hardship to have to go sit in an air conditiond office for a day - nothing to copared to what some people go through to earn a living (hell it's nothing compared to what I've gone though in the past) but the slipping away of my potechal is burning a hole in me to the point I've seriously condiered injuring myslef to get time off.

[@condor-yz6bo]

I finally knew that I was creative when Jordan Peterson said that creative people like new experiences and discovery new music. With my case in point being that right before this video I watched Bach and a anime OP played on Tesla coils.

[@MisterFuturtastic]

Demotivation speech by Jordan Peterson. lol I think he is too extreme here... he is just stating the bad aspects of being creative. Maybe he is just playing devils advocate to show the bad side... I would say the good side is that creativity is REALLY living... life is about exploration and that's what creative people do. Creativity = non=conformity.

[@Raksasaification]

That's simply being not agreeable. One needs to create something - a song, a movie, a writing, a painting, a new recipe - to be creative. Non conformist simply need to be disagreeable.

[@MisterFuturtastic]

@@Raksasaification Sure, but I am just saying that truly creative people have something in them that causes them to think different than others. They aren't capable or willing to entrain to society mentally.

[@chavruta2000]

This is the most validating thing for me.

[@koltonarmstrong2075]

5:47 creative person...

[@Acekorv]

I’ve been telling people for a couple of years that creativity is a curse before seeing this, I’ve had people talk to me that they wished they were ”as creative as you are” I just tell them you should be happy you’re not, you can have a ordinary life get a well payed job have a spouse you don’t drive crazy and be a responsible citizen of your community. That is what I would like but it’s just impossible if I don’t have my creative outlet it just kills me inside. Nowadays my partner just tells me to go to your recording studio today and you’ll be happy and in a good mood when you get home ;D she’s a keeper. This def speaks to me.

[@joannaciechanowska9782]

Eee, eee, eee - wait, what is that? Oh! It's bullshit detector! :D Listen people! 1. There are infinitely many ways to have a great job and be successful thanks to your creativity (not only being an artist or an inventor - ironically, Mr. Jordan Peterson was very stereotypical and UNCREATIVE with the choices :D ) 2. There are a million other consequences between total failure and spectacular success. 3. Being creative is useful in every industry: law, cooking, marketing, interior design, teaching, hairdressing, salesman at a gas station, barista, florist and - you name it! 4. Being creative is not a curse, it is a wonderful feature that you can develop in yourself and that makes you more flexible, less stiff in thinking, in the face of problems you quickly see the solution, you never get bored - one big adventure of your life! 5. Don't let yourselves believe that creativity is a burden or that it is a heavy piece of bread. This is only what people who are NOT creative and thinks with stereotypes and schematically, who tells others that you have no chance for success and if only in spectacular way (what does it even mean? is there a number of money who determines success?) and creativity is overrated, because there is no money from it. Does it really always have to be about money? You can not just have fun? 6. Creative people will always find a way to sort it out - that's what creativity is all about! Do not give up, do not listen to this gibberish, you can be creative in every area of life and just get joy and happiness from it.

[@ScoopsHagendaaz]

I really think he should say, "Find a job you can use as an outlet for your creativity that will help you develop it" because I can't tell you how many people I've met in passing throughout my life who "Found a way to make money, and practiced their craft on the side." And ended up with as a cubicle mouse, or tradesmen and now day dream every once in a while wondering "What if?"