Why Was Jesus Celibate? | The Gospels

[@Dude0351]

Never thought I would be interested in a bunch of old men talking about the Bible. Ever since Jesus saved me I could listen to this for hours. It’s so fascinating to learn.

[@saltymermaid5244]

Ditto ❤

[@BF-non]

Extroverts dominate this format too much. My boy John wanted to chime in like 3 times and was cut off.

[@bw8035]

I was thinking they have too many people on the panel. Or they should have assigned topics for each small group of people to discuss

[@Ikezeek-f1c]

@@NewEaerthwhen you watch the entire thing you will see that Vervake dominates the conversation more than any other except for JP.

[@JoanneArc-or9sr]

I dont even know who John is but a discussion about Jesus Christ calls for men of God like John Macarthur and Voddie, Paul Washer and Justin Peter's. Otherwise it's all over the place.

[@niccolopaganini1782]

​@@JoanneArc-or9sr John MacArthur is technically a heretic.

[@Olaflokomjov]

Exactly, they would benefit a lot from a proper discussion format like in Socrates clubs. A dedicated panel leader, who understands discussion dynamics and facilitates them in a fruitful way would be helpful too. Dr. Peterson is a bright mind but a pretty bad facilitator.

[@Enoch210]

I don't think people realize that Jesus came into the world just to fulfill his father's desire, which is to make us right with God.

[@schmingusss]

I still don't understand how his dying made us right with God. I just don't get it.

[@edwinsolis5710]

It wasn’t his dying that made us right with God, its how he defeated Death by ressurecting. He demonstrated his love by dying and he spread the Gospel in Hades/Sheol to the dead. He corrected Adam and Eve’s mistake on the cross and defeated Death itself.

[@NikkuViibes]

@@schmingusssNo worries friend, I’ll try to summarize this message concise and simple for you.🙏🏽 Every human has sinned. Therefore separating us from a perfect and just God. Jesus comes, as the only human who is perfect, and has not sinned. This is because Jesus isn’t just human, but God who became a man. God in his love for you, became a human, taking the place of you, took your hell punishment, and he instead paid the price. Here’s an analogy: If you go to court because you have speeding ticket, and let’s say you don’t have enough money to pay your speeding ticket. This is where Christ comes in, and basically says “I have enough money to bail you out.” Therefore Christ paid for the ticket, and you legally can go. Christ legally pays for your ticket to hell, makes you clean in the eyes of God, by putting your faith in Jesus. Because he is both man and God, the mediator connecting us back to the Father, once and for all. That is the understanding. But my answer alone will not satisfy your question, so read the gospels for yourself, as well as the epistles of the Apostles, and come up with a conclusion.❤️

[@stevendouglas3781]

@@edwinsolis5710exactly. It’s the resurrection that’s the importance part.

[@ninjason57]

Anyone who professes to be a Christian realizes that.

[@RilkeForum]

These are the sweetest guys discussing - I love how you playfully throw ideas at each other and take them up and play with them so respectfully, so joyfully, so seriously, so valuable for all of us. See, interrupting others is not a lack of respect, one can see that here. It is just another rhythm of empathy and respect.

[@charlesudoh6034]

Here for Bishop Barron. Can’t wait to watch the whole thing.

[@annieBBL24]

a smiling assassin of the Roman Catholic not-church.

[@lorrainesmith.4995]

Me too.........!!!! the only one talking sense.

[@MultiBigAndy]

What about Johnathon? 🤔🤔

[@charlesudoh6034]

@@MultiBigAndy Yeah, Johnathon too. 🙂

[@jfgskaintayo8167]

Who is the guy wearing blue with white hair at their ride side? do you know his name

[@gattac900]

I loved Pager’s statement of married men being above celibate men. And then Pageau unpacks the celibacy on top of the mountain that produces 100 children. Glory to God!!!

[@matthewstarnes5655]

I was thinking that if Jesus were married, it wouldn't take away His message. But then it hit me, as stated in Genesis, a man would leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife and become one flesh. His commitment to His wife would take precedence over any other person or ppl. Not being married, not only didn't take his commitment from the ppl of the world, but also didn't take His time and focus.

[@darthcalanil5333]

It's beyond that I think, because the bride of Christ is the church. It's all of use.

[@hannahbaker3080]

Good point. I can’t get past the idea of God having sex with his creation, that sounds rather like the horrific Greek gods.

[@lucidedition8947]

@@hannahbaker3080yeah Jesus was supposed to be embodiment of good and purity and sex isn’t pure

[@kylebaggett9639]

Husband and wife are supposed to have a ministry together, so his wife would have had to have died on the cross with him, so he could have had help instead of losing his focus. But maybe that also implies she would have had to have died on the cross with him?

[@pinrex47]

If Jesus married he would cease to be God. Christ would never substitute his Father - the Author of Love - for a lesser love. His mission and complete focus was to unite us to his Father. Consequently, that's why we are not given into marriage in heaven. Jesus explains: "... in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven." Mt 22:30. In Christianity, the vocation of a sacramental marriage is to unite our spouses to the Father. That's why the vocation ends with "till death do us part."

[@ChuckBrowntheClown]

No mention in Bible of Elijah being married. Bible says Jeremiah was not to marry. No mention of John the Baptist having a wife. 5:15

[@simba8665]

Didn't the disciples leave everything behind too? Or were their wives traveling with them?

[@rconger24]

Isn't it ckear that Simon Peter, "Saint Peter" was married?

[@cosmicrest5394]

@@rconger24 The irony of the Catholic Church.

[@olliew2932]

@@simba8665they left everything behind, but peter still had has wife at home- didnt mean remove everything from your life, but to help jesus fish for people

[@jpk1700]

Isaiah married a prophetess and had a son in the book of Isaiah chapter 8.

[@joebrooks7366]

Christ is the bridegroom of the Church, not of the world or of creation. The marriage supper of the lamb in Revelation is the Church being presented to Jesus finally, perfected and glorified.

[@hexahexametermeter]

For God so loved the cosmos. That's what it says. Literally. "For God did not send his Son into the cosmos to condemn the cosmos, but to save the cosmos through him."

[@hexahexametermeter]

You have only half of what salvation is.

[@TheSaiyanRace]

Exactly. Why would you say that when scripture is perfectly clear. I don't get it lol

[@MrMustang13]

@@hexahexametermeterread the whole thing, not just part.

[@hexahexametermeter]

@@MrMustang13 Feel free to add the part you think excludes the world.

[@walterwhite5343]

My boy Jonathan is killing it!

[@stephensullivan1011]

Always does..

[@LRibeiro97]

To clarify the "inversion" point: The fall is the initial inversion of the Good. Jesus comes to invert (or revert) the inversion, back to the Good. Simple as that.

[@820monster]

Mainly here for Jonathan and John. I like the way they talk about and approach things. I don't want a mathematical certainty where this verse absolutely equals this and only this. They both open verses up to mystery and i appreciate that.

[@marielajara2331]

Exacto! Porque nunca vamos a poder entender todo , somos ontologicamente muy diferentes a Él, solo en su inmensa misericordia, se humilló para llegar a nosotros.

[@mccaski2]

The problem is is when you just want to relativize everything.Then you are not really seeking truth anymore.

[@Bandito-Dorito]

⁠@@mccaski2”relativize” is a dishonest or ignorant claim for all that John does. It’s quite plain in scripture the God is incomprehensible to the human mind. John has not been Idol, he has been presenting a more honest an interpretation.

[@JoeKing69]

Oh baby the boys are back!

[@millwall007]

King James Bible Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh

[@Jointknight]

There's an issue here Jordan, and the issue is that 'the bringing back' isn't to heaven, center or seed. It's to God. This is literal, you can presume more 'meaning' but humans are his 'likeness,' and there are several other places where Christ isn't just a thing we go to or do like a clockwork. God is personal, therefore so are we. You cannot figuratively or intellectually conduct a relationship here. Plainly it's love, you either love God, because of your relationship, or you do not.

[@PhilosophyOfNoa]

Depends who’s talking. When Pageau says center or seed, those are just ways of describing the kingdom of heaven, which is Christ Himself, the person.

[@beaubeau8693]

“Repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand” “the kingdom is heaven is within you.” Jesus, by reconciling us to the Father, aligns us with heaven. That’s also seen within the Our Father prayer.

[@SteinerFab1357]

This whole thing is AWESOME !!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU COULDN'T FIND A BETTER TEAM TO DISCUSE THIS STUFF. Thank you guys

[@annieBBL24]

how about if there was a woman's voice included?

[@ViceAdmiralHoratioNeIson]

@@annieBBL24 Who would you have taken off the panel? And who would you have replaced them with?

[@stephenbailey9969]

Jesus discussed this. "Those who make themselves eunuchs for the kingdom." One task, to do his Father's will. It was his choice, to not be distracted by anything else. It has nothing to say about anyone else and their situation.

[@bbgun061]

Exactly!

[@Mandosbando]

thats a nasty words "Eunuchs". it only means be loyal. millions of African boys were made in to Eunuchs( cutting both pipe and balls) by Islam during the Islamic slave trade as it would make the boys into loyal slaves and not be tempted to have sex with the wives of their master.these actions have caused serious psychological damage and here you are praising the idea without understand the relevance of using the term.

[@cannabros]

except that is not correct.. Jesus has a bride and that is the Church.. completely went over these guys head

[@Mandosbando]

@@cannabros Foolishness, You speak delusions of other men. Jesus only knew a "Temple" and wouldnt refer to something which he never knew. If you would then say "Synagogue of Satan" to remind me that they are not credible, I would have to remind you that Satan ONLY means Adversary/opponent and Jesus was referring directly to those in power at the time who opposed him because he didnt say the synagogue belongs to Satan, He said Synagogue OF Satan/Adversaries.

[@stephenbailey9969]

@@cannabros If one counts the church as truly beginning after the atonement of Calvary and his resurrection, then this discussion about aspects of his earthly ministry is acceptable.

[@LivingInWonder7]

The symbolism is so interesting. And I love that you guys touched on inversion being intention-oriented.

[@calebseal9382]

I am not sure about everyone’s beliefs in this panel but everyone is respectful and seems like they bring great questions and or insight.

[@ansoscran6818]

I like the humility of Dr. Prager. His questions are a thing to be thought of for.

[@eduardocabanas3687]

LORD, JESUS CHRIST, SON OF GOD HAVE MERCI ON ME A SINNER.

[@RichardYu1983]

Amen!

[@pablobeats615]

He will :)

[@Suggon.D.Snutzz]

Repent and earn mercy

[@annieBBL24]

@@Suggon.D.Snutzz you think mercy can be earned?

[@John-zp4zz]

bro who are you

[@galante6545]

You know Jesus is boss when any conversation about Him slaps regardless of gender race age etc..

[@lauryville]

5:28 Jordan's genuine look of interest lol

[@gergelybakos2159]

Great conversation!

[@sikelelambatha5270]

"To the pure, everything is pure. To the corrupted and non believer, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciousness are corrupted" Titus 1:15

[@stevepest4143]

If your consciousness is God, the voice of God, then Titus is wrong as you can not corrupt God though you can ignore him.

[@sikelelambatha5270]

@stevepest4143 and which Bible verse says your consciousness is God?

[@stevepest4143]

@sikelelambatha5270 🤣 one of those I see. Read Elias, or Elijah has a passage where God shows him that he, God is not in the wind or the fire or the earthquake but a small still voice First kings 19:10 through 12. Important partly with the separation from paganism that gets established.

[@sikelelambatha5270]

@stevepest4143 so when there's a voice that tells you to steal that's God? Attend more Bible studies, don't be a Bible pervert, peace be upon you!

[@Sci-Filip]

Consciousness is maybe related to the "Awareness of Identity." Humans have consciousness, as well as God has. God's consciousness is only Holy, pure and good, while Humans ist mixed with natural ideas and experience of doing evil. The most explicite description of God i Heard is: "The Substancial Identity of Life in the Love to the Good."

[@Christ_on_the_River]

“Jesus saved himself for the marriage that his Father arranged” might be one way of thinking about it.

[@Yo0264]

Never noticed, it is the celibate Jesus that Bleeds on his wedding day (the cruxification), a flip on Bride-Groom dynamic.

[@AspenVonFluffer]

These discussions are huge!!

[@lucidedition8947]

not really this is a topic with no substance

[@rabbitrun777]

Jesus not being celibate would be the worst kind of author self insert fanfic

[@EugenePoole94]

It's already a self insertion. He impregnated his mother. With himself.

[@jrtodd-br4zc]

I agree, the Bible is dead wrong about how Adam was created. I prefer to self insert fanfict that Jesus was celibate and Adam’s existence was a lie

[@hermiliocarvalhojr.7208]

Lmao

[@thanksfernuthin]

When I was growing up a Catholic kid I was amazed and impressed that priests took a vow of celibacy. I'm even more impressed as an adult. They give up the most crucial aspect of life to follow Christ. Why should we listen to this guy? He gave up the one thing every living creature is designed to do. Apparently many decades ago a woman who wanted to bring down the church made it her goal to get as many homosexual men as possible into the priesthood. And we know how that turned out. I haven't researched it. Maybe it's not true. But it would explain a lot.

[@marvinidler2289]

There are several hundred thousands of nuns who also took a vow of celibacy. Why are they never questioned or attacked for this? Why does it make you angry that priests take that vow, only? Would you also disrespect Mother Theresa for it? What about the large and growing number of people in society who are not married and often are living in celibacy? There we have the same kind of judgement: Celibate men are seen as losers or sick, while celibate women are celibrated for their feminism and empowerment.

[@thanksfernuthin]

@@marvinidler2289 You misunderstood my statement at least partially. What did I say exactly that upset you?

[@Idishrkdmd]

85% of the SA was on boys it’s quite clear that celibacy makes goods good priests homosexuality doesn’t.

[@GodwardPodcast]

4:55 - what about Jeremiah, Elijah, Elisha, Daniel? All bachelors.

[@RandomThoughts77777]

Fantastic insight into Mary as New Eve beginning the reversal of the Fall. Untying the knot tied by Eve as Irenaeus put it…

[@yowwwwie]

pretty smart guys talking about deeeep stuff....I really liked the metaphor of " the man is the head of household, the woman, the neck....showing where we need to look...." יוי

[@hexahexametermeter]

Just like in My Big Fat Greek Wedding.

[@yowwwwie]

@@helbitkelbit1790 TROLL

[@GarrettChristianWayneHelmic]

I HOPE THIS HELPED A LITTLE MR. JORDAN PETERSON I ABSOLUTELY LOVED THEE DISCUSSION IN CHRIST JESUS HOLY SPIRIT GOD BLESS YOU🙏

[@zach25e]

I pray Jews, Samaritans, and the rest of the house of Israel come to know and accept Jesus as their Messiah.

[@danielpiatek]

I am REALLY APPRECIATING Vervaeke's participation in these conversations.

[@Liam1304]

I wouldn't have been the same if Jesus was married as he is the God who is seeking intimate relationship with each one of us - all his human creatures. To arrogate his closest human relationship to one person would be to exclude the rest of us - even though the sexual aspect confuses the discussion somewhat. The key thought is great intimacy. This is what he wants with each of us, as if we alone were the one object of his sacrifice, honour and love. We greatly underestimate the desire of God for us and how much joy we can give him - just as we greatly underestimate the centrality of how we were made for this union with him.

[@elithecreative5328]

1) Father’s will is first 2) that woman would’ve been compared to God 3) God represents the bridegroom that is waiting for His bride (the Church/His people) and willing to die for her (on the cross)

[@StrikingCrayon]

I'd really like to buy these as a blu-ray collection for my family archive and schooling!

[@annieBBL24]

there's better ways to spend your money.

[@Mr1966Fairlane]

​@@annieBBL24Why would you come with a statement like that?

[@larrybreyer4066]

What I am hearing is people talking about apparent contradictions. We may have long held beliefs that A is true, therefore B is true. Then comes someone who demonstrates that when A is true, B is not true. They are breaking the mold by demonstrating the relationship between A and B is more complex than we previously thought. It is the progenitor of scientific thought.

[@BathDam]

The path to success is not a straight line aim away from failure and you will surely succeed...

[@Naziru504]

Assets that can make one successful in life

[@Naziru504]

I. Forex 2.Stocks 3.Shares

[@Gefshds]

​@@Naziru504You are right.

[@Gefshds]

But I don't know why people remain poor due to ignorance

[@Gefshds]

The world is gradually moving out of the I work for my boss era, and people who choose to be entrepreneurs are highly securing a brighter future for themselves..

[@metoknowyou2neverfindout850]

3. Colossians: Colossians 1:26-29 "Know this glorious secret {from the word secrete) Inside and out." Colossians 1:17 "He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. "

[@jfgskaintayo8167]

If it’s not for Bishop Barron.. I will not watch ❤

[@AuthorMichaelPhilips]

Hail Mary full of grace.

[@heybuddywazup]

???

[@rockzalt]

"For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others-and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 19: 12 It was the pragmatic choice not to marry. "there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven". The world has had to deal with Popes of various positive and negative influences. It's hard to imagine what a royal line of Christ's descendants would have done throughout history. The reason not to marry could be as simple as sparing mankind from the hurt His offspring would of caused down through the centuries.

[@NoGreaterLove_3]

About the 'inversion'! So happy to hear someone else comfirm. As a new Christian I was shown while reading the gospels that the Lord does the undoing of the wrong by doing what is right every time. You also see it when someone seems to lack faith He undoes it and asks them to confirm their faith by:'do you believe?'. I was given this meaning in the following way: What was wrong took us further on the horizontal line of the cross and eventually to the end. But Lord Jesus brings everything back on the vertical line of the cross! He leads us back home to be children of the Most High again, the way is high up. The centre of the horizontal and vertical is the heart, that's where the kingdom of Heaven is.🤍🔥🕊️

[@commandercrypto]

Why does the guy in the tan coat at the end seem like the villain of the group lol in every video lol

[@ravenomega2443]

Duality is always needed to see the full picture

[@Ikezeek-f1c]

Thats John vervake. He is a self described “non-theist” whatever that means? Sounds like an atheist that wants to stand out to me.

[@drooskie9525]

@@Ikezeek-f1c non-theist is a broad term but the way he means is that God is not a Being. He is not a thing that exists in the world, hence the term "nothingness". This is the position of traditional Christianity, i.e. Orthodox. He rejects classical theism and atheism as they both operate on the same propositions, one just accepts and the other rejects.

[@metoknowyou2neverfindout850]

1 John 2:27 "As for you, anointing ( oil) which you received from him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as his anointing teaches you about all things"

[@dfwherbie8814]

Weird conversation. Honestly, not everything needs to be spoken about it or overly intellectualized

[@JBT42884]

Well they're not talking about microwaves are they?.

[@dfwherbie8814]

@ you can only truly know God through the spirit. Not through intellectualism. It’s counterintuitive, and understandably difficult to grasp, but it’s the way to the Truth that is Jesus Christ. God bless, brother.

[@theceo1124]

Understanding the Bible for what it really is and not what you manipulate it to be , is a great tell of who does and who doesn’t live consciously enough to have a grasp on reality and how to be an individual aswell as living according instead of some skewed sinful lifestyle .

[@heybuddywazup]

Huh?

[@theceo1124]

@@heybuddywazup understanding the Bible for what it is (the true word of God , synonymously “the TRUTH”) instead of trying to project your ego on it as to try to find contradictions that aren’t there , is to really know yourself as one with the Holy Spirit (in accepting the body and blood of Christ) and allowing the righteous direction of Christ to guide you in all ways .

[@justinm4497]

why would Jesus take an earthly wife? throughout the old and new testament, God's people are referred to as His Bride. the entire relationship between man and woman (we are told by paul) is to be a mirror of God's relationship to His people. the church is called the Bride of Christ. Jesus, the 2nd Adam, instead of sinning and blaming His wife and God, did not sin, yet took the punishment in place of His wife.

[@K2D3MagnGlyc]

I think the panel missed a great chance to talk about Jesus' response to Mary. In Adams case he should have said woman what do I have to do with you. Then also Mary's response to her servants whatever he tells you to do that. Thereby not only opening Jesus' opportunity but also giving servants of him the correct procedure into following him.👼🏾

[@bluemango8689]

and the "the saving" begins

[@ravenomega2443]

How does one give up earthly pleasures in order to better serve God?

[@giovanibenjamin9655]

Learn from the Lord Jesus Christ himself and you will get your answer, take sometime out to read the gospels. God bless

[@Ikezeek-f1c]

One could take a nazarite vow. Number 6:1-21

[@giovanibenjamin9655]

@ u can take a vow of any sort and not actually change, it needs to be genuine. Not just word salad’s friend

[@SuperDeadRooster]

One of the coolest videos I’ve ever seen.

[@Ibrian8888]

He was pure he had no desire for suffering 🙏🤗

[@christopherton]

Ephesians 1:10. Meditate on Christ bringing it all back to the garden. Wow.

[@macc240038]

I dont understand. The wedding at Cana says no such thing. Mary was not tempting Jesus to his death. His answer was concerning his ministry. He was not ready to expose his ministry and his divinity to the public just yet. Out of respect for his mother he proceeded to have the clay jars filled with water and he turned the water into wine. He is reading into this event much more than the words of the bible say.

[@Ikezeek-f1c]

What is the ultimate culmination of Jesus ministry?

[@olliew2932]

agreed. & Its also not the same as adam & eve, as in that scenario God told them specifically NOT to eat from the tree of life.

[@marincusman9303]

How many times during His ministry does Christ tell people not to talk about his miracles? Obviously his ministry is going to bring about his death. If I told you to stand up to the government and start a revolution, I’m not literally saying “get thrown in jail,” but obviously you know what following my call will cause. You have to step back and zoom out a little bit and understand the deeper implications than the immediate context. God bless

[@macc240038]

The Romans arrested Jesus Christ because they did not want any Jewish man to upset the status quo.....their dominance over the area they called named Philistine BTW, they changed the name of the areas of Judea and Samara, Bethlehem etc. to ( Philistine) to insult the Jews by changing the name of their lands. They did not want any revolutionary leader to lead the Jews into rebellion . That man connecting what Mary said to leading her Son to his death is wrong. That happened years later for reasons that were unconnected to the incident at the Wedding of Cana. ​@@Ikezeek-f1c

[@dantelepanto]

John 2:11 What Jesus did here in Cana of Galilee was the first of the signs through which he revealed his glory; and his disciples believed in him. This moment is the start of His public ministry. Which began to put Him on the authorities radar. Ultimately leading to the Cross. Eve enticing Adam lead to the first sin. Mary enticing her Son lead to the Cross and Redemption.

[@aretrograde7745]

Anyone who desires to learn about priestly celibacy should read "The Priest Is Not His Own," by Ven. Fulton Sheen.

[@RUFUSMazur]

you’re missing out if you ain’t read Magnetic Aura by Takeshi Mizuki, it breaks it all down

[@jemill65]

This should have over a million viewers.

[@m4rt9n]

2:33 Chaos is women ... Quite easy answer

[@gdj03]

Great question at the end. With a great explanation.

[@Zmej420BlazeIt]

Jesus being celibate is news to me. Which bible verses made this claim? I missed them apparently.

[@Sci-Filip]

There is no Bible Verse, telling that Jesus was not allowed to marry, nor any verse telling, that he did not marry. Though, historians and church Scholars and Jewish culture Experts are quite convinced, that the historical Jesus never had married, and remained celibate to fulfill his purpose as Jewish Messiah and Son of God. The most similar Passage, showing that He had no wife, are His own words about the spiritual Family, as being the only real Family of Jesus Christ: Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 12, Verse 50: "For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother." He distances himself clearly of seeing any purpose in his Identity of relating towards a biological Family, or Family after social standards, and solely refers to the Spiritual Identity of His personality.

[@galian151]

@@Sci-Filip "Though, historians and church Scholars and Jewish culture Experts are quite convinced" The same who wanted to control the people...

[@marincusman9303]

The fact anyone has ever thought Jesus was married is news to me

[@JoseValencia-fr8wh]

2:48 the man is “not” Not Not not not not not not not not not” the head of his house. He’s the head of his wife.The marriage is betweeen the man and woman . Not the house.

[@Shari-tt9qh]

I don't believe Jesus was celibate. In my opinion he had a loving relationship with Miriam Magdalena, who was his first apostle. Who decided to propagate the belief in his supposed celibacy? Cui bono?

[@Terminal-Vet]

Because Jesus was sinless. Sex outside of marriage is clearly a sin. If Jesus had sin, His sacrifice on the cross is worthless because He could not be the unblemished Lamb who gave Himself as the perfect penal substitutionary atonement for the sins of His elect. Anyone could have taken the same punishment, but only Christ was sinless. That is why He was born through the conception of the Holy Spirit because if Christ would have been born of a man's seed, He would have inherited the sin of Adam. Jesus's bride is the Church.

[@bubbag8895]

In the discussing of our Father in the abstract, let us not forget that our Father is the most powerful spirit being in existence. He is alive and an individual

[@nickmedley4749]

A fascinating reason I’ve heard for Jesus’ celibacy and by extension priestly celibacy is that it is done to show solidarity with those who are unmarried due to unfortunate circumstances.

[@annieBBL24]

rubbish reason.

[@hexahexametermeter]

Jesus is celibate because he is already engaged to His bride, the church. I am surprised this doesnt even come up among these "wise men".

[@rachelkennedy2161]

Cel-I-B-Ate is necessary for the union of the masculine and feminine energies within us all in my experience so that the energy is 'pure'. J is a recent addition to our language so it would have been Yesu 's'. I am learning a new language which is helping me understand what we are being and have been taught. and breaking English in to syllables/parts is one way that works for me. I cannot wait until this series is on YT as exodus was very enlightening and the panel are brilliant. Thank you

[@rachelkennedy2161]

Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene

[@lucidedition8947]

Bro stop reading esoteric bs

[@rachelkennedy2161]

@ Bro? maybe start looking at who you addressing and maybe if you studied it may open your mind too.

[@phylocybe_]

@@rachelkennedy2161believing things that aren’t true is not the same as opening your mind

[@LynnMaudlin]

Since Jesus came into the world to be the Atonement for our sin (to die in our place), He wasn't at liberty to take a wife - because He would be leaving her without a protector. The mystical image of the Church as the Bride of Christ implies to me that in His second appearance it will be different, in some way beyond our capacity to truly grasp at this time.

[@aretrograde7745]

Celibacy is a subject that protestants are not prepared to engage with. Most Catholics struggle to articulate it, and they hold it in high regard. Much less is to be expected from those who don't even see it as a good.

[@cgsanch2-p4q]

They can’t define it clearly because maybe they don’t want to give it up.

[@dontpanic4267]

It breaks the story arch into non-sense if celibacy: From "in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them" to "this explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one" and "be fruitful and multiply". To "I am the way and the truth and the life", and being called to live in Christ, and 'the head of a wife is her husband, the head of every husband is Christ, and the head of Christ is God.' I don't see how one can seriously entertain the idea that Christ can be considered a call to celibacy as opposed to a redeeming way back solidified into a Godly marriage--the latter would make us right with God, not the former!

[@edwinsolis5710]

Christ’s wife is the Church. That’s why John the Baptist refers to himself as the "friend of the bridegroom". That’s why in Hosea God refers to Isreal (his followers specifically) as his Bride. Jesus’ Bride is The Church, as the Church continues the tradition and teachings of the true Isreal that is right with God.

[@giovanibenjamin9655]

I’d say we see celibacy as a good thing, we see this in Paul himself To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is well for them to remain single as I do. - 1 Corinthians 7:8 And the union between Christ and the church is not sexual, so marriage in that sense of the Bible doesn’t always have to end up in the act of reproduction, but fruit being produced in Spirit by good works of charity ( love ) I think your missing the point of leadership and their roles in service of the faith, not saying marriage is a bad thing because in the eastern tradition of Catholicism we have married priest, hopefully this clears up the confusion God bless 🙏🏾

[@danhallett4952]

@@giovanibenjamin9655 I think he understood that it’s symbolic, that was the point. I don’t believe anyone took it as sexual. I think you guys are talking over each other. To the Corinthians reference that is in the context of saying it is better to be celibate than not in a committed marriage. It simply saying all serve a purpose and someone is not less because they are not married, and it’s better to remain pure and focused on God then the pressure of conforming to society. It’s not saying either are better or worse. I hope I help bring some clarity. I hop this doesn’t come off accusatory or anything either, I’m a very to the point person so I apologize if so.

[@giovanibenjamin9655]

@danhallett4952 #1 God bless you I actually appreciate the thought and comment, I take no offense to what you said, I was just saying that it is ok to be celibate as a priest as well, I agree it doesn’t have to be a either or that’s why the Latin rite priest are celibate and the eastern rite priest are allowed to get married. No hard feelings taken from what you said God bless you 🙏🏾

[@danhallett4952]

@ yes I think we’re all in agreement here, just coming from different points but saying the same thing. Good stuff!

[@ohheymitch1621]

3:08 I believe that saying Adam was prideful is incorrect. “Being prideful” is a sin and Adam has yet to eat the fruit in this context, so therefore, Adam is still perfect and free from sin. I agree with the statement of “the man being the head and the woman being the neck, where the woman controls where the man looks”. In the case of eating the fruit, Eve is deceived by the serpent to eat the fruit and because of this, Adam follows Eve (Eve being made from Adam) and eats the fruit as well. Thoughts?

[@hexahexametermeter]

Yes I believe the pride comes after with his defense of putting the blame on Eve.

[@mrwrightc7]

Jesus is the bridegroom of the CHURCH, not the world/cosmos. Source: the scriptures. Especially Galatians 5, Matthew 7, 1 Corinthians 9, Revelation 20-22, etc.

[@thebigglow]

What’s the difference between the church and the world?

[@hexahexametermeter]

In specific terms yes the church is his bride, he is wedded to a people. But in the incarnation God is "wedded" to creation in that God takes on human flesh. In the same way that the Word "tabernacled" among us, the world is the tabernacle in which the marriage takes place. But yeah not the first time Bishop Barron has been sloppy with his words.

[@2Timothy4.1.4]

Ever learning and never coming to the knowledge of the truth 2 Tim 3.7. Kjv

[@solomonnallapu]

Dr. MacArthur should be here. He always gives a direct, biblical answer to every question.

[@annieBBL24]

perhaps there should also be a woman.

[@cannabros]

Jesus has a bride and that is the Church, period, how did none of these dudes mention that?

[@BigBunnyLove]

Nonsense for muppets. Try loving your neighbor. Try loving yourself.

[@gregdezoysa6578]

In response to Mary's request to turn water into wine, Jesus said, 'My hour has not yet come'. He was not referring to his death. He referred to the beginning of his ministry. Is it also not strange that the first miracle is mentioned only in John' Gospel.

[@amperez7636]

One must know the answer to the question “What was the sin in the garden of Eden”, to understand Christ’s celibacy, the need for the virgin birth, and the sign of circumcision.

[@thebigglow]

So what was it ?

[@andyroth619]

Probs something to do with the balls.

[@r.a.panimefan2109]

​@thebigglow don't listen to the guy above. He's gonna lead u to gnostic heresy Gnostics believed sex was sinful. It's the same crap that informed asetism. And is warned of repeatedly. God told adam and eve to multiply pre fall. Gnostics and several early patristics say the sin of eden was sex That's heresy don't fall for it.

[@davidstone5595]

​@@thebigglowright? Just leaves us hangin

[@Tropdop]

I vascillate between feeling everyone should be single or everyone should be married with kids. I like this pyramid structure with a place for everyone.

[@josephposenecker9741]

Well in orthdox Christianity no one should be single. You should either chose the sacrament of marriage or ordination. Ordination is a marriage to the Church or to Christ for Ordained Holy women.

[@Tropdop]

@@josephposenecker9741That sounds fair

[@Surface_level]

"Erotic relationship between christ and the followers" 😂😂😂 what broooooo

[@Maine931]

Crazy 😂

[@josephposenecker9741]

Lol, passion is way better translation of that word.

[@mmtt2866]

I think erotic is a good word, it's just been bastardized in modern world. Erotic is supposed to be a physical manifestation of love, or better yet love becoming personal - that's judging by etymology. So basically love becoming incarnate at it's deepest level of reality.

[@baselius662]

Yes, it's the correct word in the original Greek meaning. Erotic love is the desire for unity, to become one with the beloved. There is of course a Sexual aspect to erotic love but it covers so much more. Why do parents kiss their children, why do children hug their parents. It's erotic, the desire to become one, to be close with the beloved both physically and mentally. We desire unity with God, hence erotic.

[@danhallett4952]

@@Maine931 I mean yes funny but I hope you don’t seriously think he meant in that way.

[@MosesRabuka]

In the history of religion a recurrent problem is how to convince people that a certain dogma indeed originated from an infallible superhuman source.

[@scovafd]

Are you serious? Jesus IS God! God has no need for marriage. Why would God step into creation to marry His creation? Jesus is perfect and has perfect relationship with The Father. Marriage has no purpose in Jesus. The Church is His bride. Remember everyone, Jesus told us that you won’t be married in Heaven. You’ll be made like the angels. Marriage serves a purpose for man and woman on this side of eternity, but you won’t be married to your wife in Heaven. You’ll be in perfect union with God and Jesus, and marriage wont have any purpose. No way that’s what stops Jews from believing in Jesus, right? Why would God marry someone? That sentence doesn’t even make sense. He’s God…

[@gjatt7410]

I'm not a Christian but I still find the Bible very interesting. The indirect messaging is second to none in the religious corpus

[@BlastedOffRawPuerh88]

When you realize the direct message of the Gospel is the real gold 🤯 ♥️

[@danvankouwenberg7234]

It's more true than anything a human being could produce on their own.

[@imaobongukobo1745]

Some of y'all don't get what they're saying. That's why you're yapping up and about. If the church is the bride of Christ as said in the Bible, can't you walk yourself to and fro on this biblical statement and get the situational prefix and suffix? There is a situational awareness surrounding this biblical truth. If for a moment you can't see how the physical along with its realities and terminologies, is a direct representation of what goes on spiritually (And i mean that, yes, sex is not just...sex. It's a convenantal symbol), then whatever you're doing in this life, even unto the good, will be counted as folly and vanity. Y'all are getting skirmish because they used Jesus and the church and erotic in the same sentence. I wonder where your head is at, or is it your heart that needs the surgery...?

[@Forestgump12able]

TO MY CHILDREN COMING UP THROUGH THE YEARS I AT TIMES PULLED THE MASTER QUESTION OUT. IT IS, DID YOU COME UP, WITH THAT BY YOURSELF, OR DID SOMEONE ELSE TELL YOU THAT. HEY, LETS JUST SAY WE KNOW IT ALL. LET US MAKE SOMETHING UP.

[@BitterBucolic1]

It’s not The Gospels, it’s The Gospel. Singular. Matthew Mark Luke and John are four accounts of the one Gospel.

[@peterrosqvist2480]

Nah they’re four gospels. The early church wanted to reconcile them all into a single gospel but they decided not to and leave he all separate despite knowing there being contradictions

[@aed377b]

It's both depending on context.

[@andrewdurfee3896]

Who’s marriage feast was Jesus Christ attending? According to marriage customs of the Jews who is responsible for providing for the food and such for the marriage?

[@tomwhalen444]

We don’t know for a fact that Jesus was actually celibate or a virgin.

[@bw8035]

And let me guess... you're a descendent of Jesus

[@tomwhalen444]

@ lol well I’d say there are a lot, but you said it not me! I’ll take that as a compliment and trust your intuition.

[@annieBBL24]

The only time Paul recommends celibacy is for those who choose to devote themselves to service where marriage may be a hindrance. It's NEVER to be a requirement of the church as in the case of RC priests. That's a demonic teaching. “Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by giving heed to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, through the pretensions of liars whose consciences are seared, who forbid marriage and enjoin abstinence ..." 1 Tomothy 4:1

[@emily43210]

I don't think celibacy of the religious is what Paul refers to. It sounds like Paul refers to a forbidding of people getting married/forbidding of eating certain foods. But thats different from Catholics who are allowed to marry, but some are called to a specific life of celibacy and religious life. They willingly take on these vows, and some even take on vows of poverty as well like the Franciscans, but no one is forced into the priesthood.

[@bbgun061]

Paul also specifically says that elders (pastors/priests) may be married. In Timothy and Titus "husband of one wife" is a qualification of eldership. I don't think marriage is required, or else Paul would disqualify himself. But elders are free to marry just like every other Christian. I understand the priesthood is voluntary, but requiring celibacy of priests is wrong.

[@boulderguitarcoach5269]

Orthodox Christian priests marry. RC twisted many doctrines from the original Church.

[@annieBBL24]

@@emily43210 Its a demonic teaching of any church to make celibacy a requirement for office.

[@zenuno6936]

Paul also says celibacy its the most perfect way, as does Jesus, not a demonic teaching. "A man who isn’t married is concerned about the Lord’s concerns-how he can please the Lord. 33 But a married man is concerned about the world’s concerns-how he can please his wife. 34 His attention is divided." So dont quote out of place verses trying to attack celibacy and hide other verses, as if the bible contradicts itself. Marriage isnt forbidden as your verse states, its a choice to be celibate, its a choice to be a priest. Their life is consecrated to God and their attention should be on the work of Lord alone, which is why its most fitting to be celibate.

[@FaithStories868]

*Maybe the reason why Jesus is not yet coming is because his giving us time to change.*

[@Jeremylee2]

Jesus didn’t need that drama. There’s a reason God was a single father

[@itsirina70x7]

This is the kind of humor I didn’t know I needed today lol thank you

[@AidanMalachiHughes]

Great stuff Gentlemen.

[@McDan2425]

That is a MASSIVE assumption to think that Jesus may not have been married. Any Jewish boy over 18 not married was considered a menace to society. You don’t think the people that were against him wouldn’t have focused on that? Of course they would have… but no one didn’t. Why? Because he was most likely a good Jewish boy that was married.

[@builderphill1361]

It's a massive assumption to think he was based on no evidence in the Bible lol

[@Zmej420BlazeIt]

​@@builderphill1361 so we agree that by making the claim "Jesus was celibate" they are adding their opinions to the bible. Revelation 22:18 "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book: If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book."

[@McDan2425]

@@builderphill1361 I agree. I didnt assume he was, just like I’m not assuming he wasn’t. I was just pointing out that society at the time required a good Jewish boy to be married by age 18. That’s all. My point is, we do not know. To teach one way or another is teachings of men, not God.

[@amedeoangiolini9004]

Mary's intention was to see that the wedding couple and guests had a lovely wedding as a woman who had given up her own wedding due to being married quietly. She challenges God to give this couple what she was denied, a nice wedding. Perhaps, it was more about her visual expression to her son, and the command she issues to the servants in front of him "Do this for me". A mother's request to her Son.

[@ELC-h9b]

As I've said before. I really enjoy watching round tables full of dudes who can't read ancient greek discussing ancient greek documents. We can talk about greek themed movies, but not actual greek. Where exactly in the New testament does it say Jesus was celibate? There is no greek word which explicitly means celibate, as we use it today. The round table is taking 4 greek words (παρθένος, ἁγνός, ἁγνεία, ἄγαμος) and assuming because these 4 words were used in the context of the Jesus Christ story, this particular christ was celibate.

[@michel-jeantailleur]

Some female scholars might have added something to these symposia, like Karen Armstrong, Robyn Walsh, Elaine Pagels, for example, but, after about a dozen guest spots, one must suppose that women are banned or something....

[@jamesoncross7494]

The Jews not recognizing Jesus? They put him on the cross!!!!! Nice way to brush that over.

[@edwinsolis5710]

Yes but he’s talking of all Jews up till now. Not just the Jews in the Sanhidran.

[@stevendouglas3781]

And curse His name to this day.

[@markostanic6136]

@@edwinsolis5710 Most of them all the way up till now would've gladly crucified Him again.

[@zenuno6936]

That's not the topic of this segment though.

[@cjwsco6136]

Does it specifically say in the Bible that Jesus was not married? John 21:25 “But there are also many other things that Jesus did; if every one of them were written down, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written.”

[@alphabeta8284]

It also doesn't say that Jesus wasn't a cannibal explicitly, or that he didn't practise polygamy. John 21:25 “But there are also many other things that Jesus did; if every one of them were written down, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written.”

[@cjwsco6136]

@ sure. The obvious difference being that cannibalism is a moral evil, and Christ doctrine leaves no room for it. Whereas marriage is a moral good, and Christ taught about the importance of it.

[@marvinidler2289]

@@cjwsco6136 Actually, Christ did not teach about the importance of marriage.

[@cjwsco6136]

@@marvinidler2289 Matthew 19 makes it seem pretty important. Also, Mark 10 and Luke 16.

[@Terminal-Vet]

The bible says that Jesus did marry. According to scripture, Christ's bride is the Church. There are over 30 verses that reference Jesus's bride being the Church or His people.

[@77at77-fw2tw]

He had a number of women around him throughout the gospels. It wasn't an all-boys club, unlike this panel. lol

[@drooskie9525]

It's quite rare a woman to be interested in these kind of topics. at least to the extent a man would be. it's not sexist, its just how it plays out.

[@hexahexametermeter]

@@drooskie9525 Check out Dorothy Sayers books on creation. She's one of the rare ones.

[@77at77-fw2tw]

Men gather together for power no matter what the topic. Women, not so much. In this respect, you are right. Women lean toward subtle control. Spirit is neither man nor woman. @@drooskie9525

[@77at77-fw2tw]

@@drooskie9525 Men are interested in these topics for power. Women, not so much. In this statement, you are correct. Women are more interested in subtle control. Spirit is neither male nor female.