Josh Powell murder weapon discovered?

A new experiment from KSL's COLD podcast team points to a particular power tool as a possible murder weapon in the December 6, 2009 death of Susan Powell. COLD host Dave Cawley breaks down the evidence suggesting Josh Powell might have destroyed a Ridgid impact driver with an oxyacetylene torch the night after his wife disappeared.

[@maddievictoria4947]

I can't believe they allowed him to see his children after one of the kids told the police he left mommy outside somewhere.. Like come on.

[@sherryrunslate9678]

Exactly! Having been a teacher for 22+ years for “at risk” students #1Rule is to trust your initial gut instinct. #2 ALWAYS report and follow up with students actions, lack of actions, and verbal conversations, physical appearance, eye blocking your own eyes, etc. Highly sounds like all supervision visits need to take place in an area created inside the LE headquarters (bowling, small skating rink, karate lessons, etc per age activities to ensure the conduct of children and social workers.

[@keithcitizen4855]

Not quite that simple, red tape involved.

[@heidiho5179]

@@sherryrunslate9678 I know... it’s so sad!

[@amystarstimulusandcrypto4303]

He only lost custody a few days before he burned the house down.

[@JulieJLofficial]

Please check my comment !

[@elizabethprost636]

Dude! Your investigative skills are insane! Amazing job!

[@JulieJLofficial]

Please check my comment

[@JMD621]

Cold is the Best crime podcast of all.

[@Reubachi]

Serial.

[@19Marleymum]

I have listened to your Podcast THREE times as I glean new information every time. I sincerely believe this is truly one of the best Podcasts (and I listen and subscribe to over 40) available to us. I would love to know if you are going to release a new Podcast any time soon?

[@joeakaprolifik7735]

Me to hun!!I really hope they do release a new podcast !!they did an excellent job!!I hope and 🙏Susan Is found one day and laid with her sons 😭💔🙏🤞💖🇬🇧

[@19Marleymum]

@@joeakaprolifik7735 he did a phenomenal job, didn’t he? Yes, I do want to hear another Podcast by him while simultaneously hoping Susan will one day be found❤️

[@joeakaprolifik7735]

@@19Marleymum yeah he really did,Stephanie Harlow recommended and I knew it would be good but wow 🤩,I really hope one day Susan is found,it’s the one case and caylee Anthony that really got me,💔💖🇬🇧

[@XX-pl3tm]

He is currently working on a new podcast from what he said on his colleague's podcast. I'm assuming it's about a case still under investigation.

[@pinkpugginz]

Same here

[@stephanie6897]

this is one of the weirdest, worst cases ever ! poor susan must have have felt SO creeped out around him and his dad. josh's demeanor is seriously the weirdest........ she must have been so put off by his dad always up in her business and his creepy weirdo son. poor girl could have done so much better than him. x

[@lorimiller4301]

Absolutely!

[@magical8013]

Yeah that family is SOO (excuse my language) FUCKED UP.

[@msstellafay1320]

YES! Susan was likely killed at home; the children would have been sleepy. She was gone before the, "Camping trip."

[@heidiho5179]

One child actually told a teacher (I can’t remember if he also said it in a police interview) that Mommy rode, in the trunk, to camping. When police asked about where they went during camping, The child said in “the place where the crystals grow,” and it was noted they typically form in caves out there. When they asked what was mommy doing in the place with the crystals, the child said she just wanted to sleep there. I am not adding any interpretation to what I saw and documentaries and read in the book about this case. I seem to recall there was some discussion of mommy being left to sleep in the “ please where the crystals grow” and also setting up camp elsewhere, but I’m not going to expound on that since I can’t remember. Just saying, your idea is on point. Maybe you’ve read all this, too, but it certainly came to mind after reading your post

[@msstellafay1320]

@@heidiho5179 Thank You. Yes, i frequently was in Idaho then, spending most time in Idaho County, at Cottonwood, and Nez Perce. The story was very upsetting; people there aren't bullshitters, so they didn't believe Josh's story at all....camping at 02:00? With little children he goes out to the snow, and wild. Personally, i believe that Steve Powell, killed, Susan. Steve died of cancer in prison, a convicted pedophile. He was obsessed with Susan until he died; he was recording songs that he had written for Susan, i first heard the songs when, Dori Monson, of KIRO radio, Seattle, played excerpts on his show. Steve was a sexual psychopath, i believe that Josh was a child abuse survivor. Why didn't they arrest Josh? He would have cracked, and talked. Then Dad would have been in trouble. Stockholm Syndrome.

[@caseycat]

Dave, thank you so much for all your work on this. It's exceptional.

[@12oclocknewsat10]

"having the pivot drill would have made the impact drill redundant". Me currently looking at my 5 impact drills sitting on my workbench

[@amandastephens287]

Dave!! You're a hero for bringing more people to awareness of this tragic and mysterious case. I would love if you could cover the Zachary Tuner/Andrew Bagby case. There is a huge rabbit hole to fall down, even though it was solved. Thank you for all you do!

[@BRP]

KZbin detectives never cease to amaze me YOU DUDES REALLY GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THINGS 😅😂 Good Work 👍🏾

[@lindaarrington9397]

Saddest thing ever I'm so sorry for this families pain,the social worker and all that loved them

[@agnailsupplies5318]

I know this is an old video but it would be nice to hear your opinion on what Dave Sparks and his team have found in the mine out in Utah.

[@hucker4life]

Did you see Dave sparks found a gun that looks like it’s burned the same way in a mine shaft?

[@kathleencarrington7368]

I love your voice. I enjoyed the series that you did on this tragedy

[@sarahj6190]

Excellent work 🙌🏻

[@sarahlilly4336]

Thanks for using your voice to speak for Susan and bring justice for the Cox family, hope she can be found and laid to rest soon.

[@RJMcBride494]

Heavy D sparks went to an abandoned mineshaft and they think they found Susans remaining

[@redfightblue]

It's a good theory. Has no one been able to say whether the hunk of metal could have been a power tool?

[@marys3127]

He mentions that yes, it could have been....in the video.

[@redfightblue]

@@marys3127 I phrased my comment poorly. I see he is claiming it is the power tool I guess I was just thinking the police/forensics should be able to confirm it.

[@redfightblue]

@MsYogaGrrrl Thanks

[@DeformedConscience]

Back with a Vengeance!

[@katia2051]

I can't believe I found this video. More people should know.

[@clairey6407]

Amazing work!

[@ConvairDart106]

There are some instances, where torture, should be allowed. I would have no trouble with Josh, having the truth beat out of him!

[@joanlynch5271]

Doesn't he look like the grandfather, when he smiles at the camera?

[@heidiho5179]

I was looking for this post! He actually resembles the Powells a bit!

[@lifeislife489]

Those sweet babies. How could you kill your children in the way he did? It had to have been brutally painful.

[@DrJanTaplin]

Seems as though you’ve done much more thorough detective work than the detectives did.

[@AdventureHorseRidinginNYS]

Horrific and frightening story and super great podcaster

[@F_Tim1961]

It is very clear - Susan was drugged with the pancakes that Josh cooked that lunch time (not mentioned here) .. She was with a friend and said she would lie down as she was not feeling well. Josh likely then bound her with the kids in their room. He then used the impact driver to drive long screws into her skull obviously killing her. THe reason for the fine blood spray on the tiles was that he possibly hit the trigger when the tip of the driver was covered in blood - it then spun off in fine droplets. It sounds gruesome but this matches what we know and why he was so interested in burning up the impact driver as it would have blood in crevices he could not clean out effectively. There are hex head roofing screw s that fit into a hex magnetic driver on these drivers and this more or less makes the screw part of the tool while it is being driven. you can't uses such a small unhandy tool to batter someone to death without leaving large blood spray all over - it's just not enough like a hammer. TE. Fidler

[@ranchdubois6255]

This video was great. I just ran into your page and I’m ready to binge! 😎

[@MultiSkysthelimit]

That police department was hellla lazy.

[@lynetteowens946]

Josh, his father & the uncle who suicided are SICK

[@janeyoung4783]

In the home video with the child and power tool, first it was irresponsible to allow a child to play with, second it seems he might have been planning on blaming the child for a home "accident."

[@catherinethorpe4717]

Killed himself??? And his kids you forgot to mention.

[@cadomosting3965]

You're extremely bright Dave, amazing job, you've done a great service, I hope it pays off.

[@bearbait2221]

how about a Sawzall that make more sense as a cutting tool

[@speedypete9694]

Maybe take apart the a frame over the mine shaft ?

[@skippygirl959]

Impact drivers and pivot drivers are two completely different tools with two different uses. It is not redundant to get an impact drill if you have a pivot drill.

[@abitoutofsorts]

The tool serial number is the encryption password for his computer. Easy to hide in plain sight.

[@drmantistobboggangonzodr3961]

You suggested he could’ve used the tool to kill her after drugging the pancakes but it’s possible he could’ve ummm... used the tool on her temple or something too. Ugh, just thinking about this I have creeped myself out. My heart goes out to Susan’s parents and Josh’s sister Jennifer graves who tried to record him with a wife and cooperated with police. Of course my heart also breaks when thinking of how scared Susan must’ve been in her marriage for who knows how long and when thinking of how scared the boys must’ve been in their final moments. I hope they were unaware of anything regarding the true motive for that “camping trip” and when wondering where their mother was. They were so young I think they still trusted their father up until he killed them and that just shows how young and innocent they were. I wish Susan could’ve gotten out of that abusive relationship, of course I’m not blaming her at all just wishing it could’ve turned out differently. At least i wish the system hadn’t failed the kids and they could’ve stayed with Susan’s parents. This case is tragic, any loss of life is tragic but kids and animals or developmentally delayed people who are victims of foul play particularly bother me. I feel that any strength we are fortunate enough to have comes with a proportionate responsibility to protect those who are more vulnerable (or any strengths we have been given depending on your view).

[@enticerclown]

Diesel brothers may have found the body in the bottom of a mine

[@scoutsaresilentdeath8775]

Heavy D Sparks and his team went down into an old mine shaft in the Utah Desert and found Bones and Clothing that her Father and good Friend have said that is Clothing that Susan would have worn

[@woopimagpie]

Came here to write this, you beat me to it. It's gonna be interesting when the results of the forensics come back. If it turns out the bones are hers, that's gonna be huge news.

[@LousisianaFish]

You wouldn’t use an impact because it’s got a socket reviver and not a chuck to hold a drill bit. You can put drill bits in some impacts but not that one.

[@carolcribby8642]

Well on one episode their neighbor or some lady his wife knew I was helping her crochet and she was invited over for dinner and Josh who apparently never did anything who's cooking dinner shortly after his wife 8 she was feeling very ill so Josh had decided that for his wife's guests would be a good time for her to leave because his wife's not feeling well so with that I think is the perfect opportunity for him to have his wife feel ill pretty much knock her out and then pack everything up in the van at midnight and supposedly go camping which we all know is not true because one of his little boys had stated mummy was with us but she didn't come home with us

[@myfairytalelife3]

Is it possible that Josh dismembered Susan and disposed of her remains in all of those garbage cans and that's why she never been found??

[@neverforever4787]

I think that's a possibility too. Not to sound morbid but it would be a very effective way to get rid of someone's remains.

[@thecharminghodgepodgecotta8363]

Through listening to this series, I have my own personal theory, is it right? Hard to say till we find Susan’s remains to confirm. Based on how Susan was feeling nauseous the few weeks prior to her disappearance, it’s likely Josh was using sun substance to poison Susan. Not sure what it would be, but maybe something that had something related to blood appearing on the couch. The couch was wet and small droplets of blood was found to be Susan’s was on it. We know that a clean up happened right before the boys went camping, the question is if Susan was volunteering to join them or if she had already passed and Josh carried her body for a family member (likely Michael) to pick her body up and depose of it secretly while Josh was with the boys. Just a theory, but we know that Susan likely wasn’t stabbed or mutilated because of the lack of blood around the house except the small bit by the couch.

[@pinkpugginz]

the blood spray was probably when josh was carrying her out and she coughed, expelling a tiny amount as he hauled her by. the cadaver dogs never hit on the van. so she was drugged, incapacitated till almost dead, then taken to a secondary location and actually killed and dismembered. he probably burned her body into tiny pieces and wrapped them in the tree branch plastic with lye or some other decomposition accelerant. he must have coated the rental car trunk in plastic and put the pieces in so many layers of plastic or containers. mind blowing.

[@holdfast7657]

An impact driver is too small and there are many tools and objects that would be better to kill someone. However he had said to friends that throwing a body down a mineshaft and covering it over was a good way to dispose of a body. It's possible he used the impact driver when disposing of her body, maybe to remove a covering of an old mineshaft. Who knows for sure, but chances are he had the drill in the boot with her body. There must have been some DNA on the impact driver, otherwise he wouldn't have gone to the bother of destroying it.

[@drew_de8990]

He also set the mine on fire and let it collapse…. The gas can and other tools in the one picture, could’ve played a part in destroying the mine. And not to mention he put 800 mystery miles on a rented vehicle when his car was under investigation

[@drew_de8990]

** and the mine was way out more than an 2 hours into the Utah desert. The diesel brothers just finished up an insanely awesome series of videos that might shed some light on what had happened

[@petemitchell6788]

A pivot driver would not be redundant. Nothing is redundant to a impact driver except another impact driver.

[@3dsmaxrocks699]

They threw her down a mine shaft and burned the head frame above it BUT not _that_ mine shaft. They burned the head frame to throw people off the trail. The mine shaft they used will never be searched. Very clever of them...remember Josh's brother was trained in military human intelligence. They burned the wood to make it look obvious.

[@billyzoetvelt9273]

Here's the thing we have people from everywhere looking for Susan Powell such as the diesel brothers they have videos on what looks like they know some idea of where Susan Powell could be and no one will give up until they find an answer

[@desiraeandchrisrichardson5977]

Really dude the impact is the most important tool if u do any kind of construction work...

[@thisislargemouth5566]

Brother that impact is way more powerful than the pivot driver. That would not be a redundant purchase. I'm not saying your theory is wrong but impacts can't really drill into anything and they are certainly not comparable to a 9v pivot driver

[@CharlieB.-]

Brilliant work!

[@surfgreen60]

You should have found someone who knows how to use a torch. I could have reduced that tool to ash in less than three minutes. There is no scenario where a person who knows how to use a torch would take 45 minutes to melt a driver.

[@yolandacolby]

Good your investigation

[@WhitFyffe]

It’s pathetic they didn’t stand up for those babies. The children suffered the ultimate cost along with Susan obviously. It makes me sick to think about what he did to kill his own kids. I don’t know what has to be going through your head to kill anyone but it’s psychotic to think about let alone harm your kids! I feel like the previous burning in the garage was a failed attempt to kill himself then unfortunately got the second chance. The fact that he had a second attempt and is ridiculous! I’ve seen so many people say Susan’s parents got plenty of money from the state BUT no amount of money will ever replace their daughter nor grand children!!!!

[@prudencezappa8598]

Just imagine Josh Powell having his own KZbin channel. No question he would....👎Where is Susan you freak????

[@princeamongmen7064]

Omg that’s horrendous poor woman if that’s what happened….rip Susan

[@AdventureHorseRidinginNYS]

Unbelievable absolutely disgusting what the child services allowed and they are definitely responsible for the deaths of those two children and so very sad about the mother

[@hunterlacost2649]

Any guy using rigid power tools… something is wrong with him.

[@lesliechan31]

"Ow, ow, ow, drills hurt!" Yet you give your child a drill and pretend it's a game. What a sociopath. Poor Susan and those babies. To this day I am as anxious for them to find her body as I am for them to recover MH370. You do FABULOUS work Mr Cawley. I really enjoy this podcast, it's fascinating. Even though it's not a cold case, I would love to hear your take on the Chris Watts case. I still believe to this day that Nichol Kessinger had a role in it.

[@ingeborg1696]

Oh yeah me too, please dive into that case... you are great. I loved your podcast, still subscribed to it in hope you get the words: We have found her!

[@pinkpugginz]

MH370 was the jet that was shot down right?

[@lesliechan31]

@@pinkpugginz No it was the one that was flown off course from Malaysia and we still have not found the crash site. Someone knows SOMETHING but they're not talking.

[@lorimiller4301]

@@lesliechan31 that was the Pilot who killed himself ?!! He had a Flight Simulator at home set to the same course. I think he flew everyone into the Ocean.

[@timfoote6919]

@@pinkpugginz Officially there was no word. But I think this is most likely what happened. No one wants to imagine a russian outfit mistaking a passanger plane. But I think that is what happened. Most probable cause...

[@linanicolia1363]

That sick bastard killed himself but he also killed his boys with him, in that explosion. Sickening to watch him show the baby how to use that power tool. The children should have been taken away from him, the moment his wife vanished. The Law failed !!!!!

[@amberschannel4709]

For the simple fact he didn't lift one fucking finger to hold a flyer to look for his wife or make calls, or talk to anyone about where his wife was, she was home when we went camping sick. Ans now she's gone! Where is she like a normal husband would be doing. Sorry! He did kill her 🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️ and then killed him self and them kids because his son knew mommy was with them on the camping trip by the crystals. Everywhere where looked flyers his som said mommy was with us dad. Yeah kill your self, it's over! But damn he didn't have to take the kids. But truth be told he would of killed the boys then if he thought he couldn't convince his son that mommy wasn't with us. He couldn't, so he killed them! He knew it was over.

[@TheBigfoot425]

I agree with this except why hit her with it as opposed to just using a 20 dollar hammer from home depot? They keep saying how smart Josh was, I don't think it took any great amount of intelligence to outsmart them. That house should have been taken a lot sooner than it was, Josh had plenty of time on his side.

[@maneckineckbeard1749]

Horrifying. Right after my parents got married, the only job my dad could get was at a slaughterhouse. They used pneumatic drivers to kill the cattle, by shooting bolts into their brain stems. It was such a horrific, tramatizing thing to witness that my dad- a big, strong, street smart native of Gary, Indiana who had worked in numerous refineries, factories and refineries- was a vegetarian for years afterwards. Just thinking of that happening to a human? Beyond nightmarish to even conceive of. But not, I'd think, beyond the capabilities of a monstrous man who was perfectly willing to burn his two young, innocent children to death.

[@christiaanvorster1988]

If he never revealed anything, maybe he really had nothing to reveal, or susan fell down the mine by accident and he just did not want to be blamed for something he truly was not responsible for, killing himself and family two years later due to judgement and disbelief from the public.

[@z50king29]

Great content. Incredible

[@craftworded]

Why did they refuse the search warrant goddamit

[@DavidWoods-rk8st]

Susan Powell could well be either in the shaft where crystal rocks are or in the grey dirt sandy grey that's loose

[@janosnemeth4793]

We could blame the whole world, but we can't do nothing we can't bring back Susan and those kids! we can only learn from all the mistakes what the police investigation did! They should rest Josh Powell earlier...

[@carolm.4214]

I hope LE has sampled the tool bag for Susan's blood. It sounds like you have found the murder weapon. Good job! Now let's get cadaver dogs throughout the roads they had the supposed camping trip. Little Charlie did the best he could trying to tell where they were. Surely GPS on the mini van can narrow the location. Prayers to Susan's family, friends, and Jennifer. Susan was a beautiful Mom and deserved so much better! RIP angels.

[@timfoote6919]

Time is an issue as biological evidence, smells, decomp.....goes away over time. At this rate she would be bones at best with no trace smells...I also doubt seriously that minivan had any GPS built in. Today if you have a reciever with built in SiriusXM you can be tracked w that.....but in this case...unfortunatly....it will be a mystery forever until someone finds her bones...

[@williameichner7177]

Or the tool was used as it was intended and unbolted something and her body was put in the something and it was bolted back up things that make you go hmm

[@pinkpugginz]

No way would he destroy his precious tools unless he absolutely had tp

[@williameichner7177]

@@pinkpugginz he destroyed his wife and two precious children

[@billdursa4724]

An impact driver only applies a rotational force not a hammer type of force. Only could drill a hole. A hammer drill is a different tool that can either drill alone or drill with hammer strokes or deliver hammer type force with a chisel or punch type bit. So unless Josh used the impact driver to drill holes in Susan it is not the murder weapon!

[@woopimagpie]

Dude I think the general opinion is that he hit her with it, most likely on the back of the head. Blunt force trauma. Not drilling holes.

[@annresnik6059]

HMM..possible he used the rigid tool kit to dispose of her, but it's also possible his father or someone else let him buy/use a gun to kill her.

[@sbrmilitia]

You dont use a impact to drill wood.

[@amandacausey9450]

He probably care up with the idea while playing with his son in that video.

[@yearight7956]

If he killed her with the impact driver it seems like it must’ve been an impulse action. I don’t think he was intelligent enough to use the impact driver thinking it’s a good weapon to use in terms of getting away with it. I wonder if there is any proof she wanted to leave him or she caught him cheating/he caught her cheating. I do know that this guy seems like the dumbest person to get away with murder. How can the LE agencies not pin it on him undeniably?

[@pookieb1612]

Didn’t they jus make a new show dateline or 48 hours. Please somebody help

[@SmirkSavvy]

My brother Josh……

[@ajayj6101]

idk what this is but I appreciate your experience in depth on this, BUT though they found a small evidence of blood in the home it wasnt enough to say a "crime with substantial injuries " occurred, IMO if he did something to this degree in the home, there would be more blood evidence. I think he drugged her, strangled her. wrapped her up put her in the tote of some kind and IMo. he may have took his tools to do something to the tote to never open or come apart. maybe destroying the tools AFTER that. but to say it was the murder weapon I I respectfully disagree

[@therandomrobert1842]

An impact driver can’t kill anyone unless you had a wire pulley system that tightened as it torqued your trying way too hard to push something that doesn’t make sense and also those power tool batteries can catch fire the smaller dot in the sheet rock could be where the Motor burnt up and the bigger where the battery burnt up if he lit a battery on fire with a torch dude would’ve been hurt bad

[@sexysergeant123]

Great insight, great podcast!

[@pathemeleski]

The cops tracking showed that Josh visited all those dumpsters. But the cops never searched any of the dumpster to see what he might have done there. That boggles the imagination. Why not?

[@pinkpugginz]

Because they were incompetent. They needed to bring the FBI in immediately

[@IratePuffin]

pinkpugginz they can’t just bring the FBI into a state murder case. It doesn’t work that way.

[@TheAdventuresofDrewandAmanda]

It was actually the DA That dropped the ball here. They had enough evidence to arrest Josh but they did not. I iMagine the cops thought their hands were tied.why amass low level evidence When the prosecution will only accept a body or a confession?

[@dalewalker4614]

@@TheAdventuresofDrewandAmanda That DA is a very controversial person. Doesn't like to lose a case

[@mischievous1765]

@@TheAdventuresofDrewandAmanda unfortunately the DA drops the ball quite a lot in the state of Utah. And the LA in the smaller community is definitely lacking as well.

[@erintade]

Aside from being just a horrible human being in general, Josh Powell was such an insufferable doofus.

[@maneckineckbeard1749]

Perfectly said!

[@sherryrunslate9678]

A despicable waste of human flesh.

[@maneckineckbeard1749]

@@sherryrunslate9678 Amen to that! Well said!

[@maneckineckbeard1749]

@@RobinBoBobbin Me neither. She did seem to be a genuinely lovely, kind, funny and intelligent person. But then I remember how I got engaged at age 19...and I've spent the rest of my life thanking my lucky stars that the actual wedding never happened. And then I remember that Susan was still a teenager when she got married. And, for me at least, that makes it a *little* easier to understand.

[@elizabethfizer3562]

Yes! He was a lazy, uncaring husband. Spent money only on shit for himself etc. Can't stand his face 🤬🤬

[@joanlantis4497]

sooooo much evidence in this case.not arresting him was a huge blunder.

[@helenbalabanoff1409]

I agree … absolutely shocking and so so sad that Susan and the children were murdered 😢

[@joshuaeaton6478]

Good grief, you are smarter than the detectives on this case

[@geordiezinn7475]

Fantastic podcast! You have bright future young man.

[@marys3127]

The next Keith Morrrison, but even better. He should have his own true crime show.

[@geordiezinn7475]

Mary S Absolutely!

[@heidiho5179]

Truly amazing! I am so important.

[@JulieJLofficial]

Please check my comment

[@normacunningham8913]

@@JulieJLofficial , Why do you keep commenting the same thing, over & over?

[@BodhiSatfa-co2zz]

Really brilliant investigative work and proper presentation. You have set a grand standard of how true crime should be covered. Cheers mate🍻🍻

[@sarahhunter1114]

I don’t want to make accusations because I know investigators are doing their best, but not cataloging and testing the contents of the bag is a pretty big deal. That along with not securing the house right away seem to be pretty big oversights based on other investigations I’ve followed.

[@geordiezinn7475]

Ellis the detective was completely incompetent. I have no doubt at all that if Josh had been interrogated by a more aggressive confrontational Detective he would have broke during the first interview when faced with the BS he was spouting that Ellis let slide. IMHO Ellis shares some blame for the murder of those kids.

[@grannyvroomvroom2523]

From listening to other interviews it seems there was a time lapse which would allow Josh to dispose of evidence, as well as an unsecured potential crime scene, which even Josh's sister said was cleaned up before any forensic team investigated. This reminds me of the Watts case where police allowed other people to enter into a crime scene and contaminate evidence.

[@CrystalSmith-uk6hd]

Its not initially a crime scene though.

[@dawnofdestruction7381]

@@CrystalSmith-uk6hd exactly it's not a crime scene upon first responding. However in this case after Maxwell had already seen the fans blowing on a wet carpet and sofa, knew her purse was left behind, she wasn't answering calls and got such evasive answers the first time he spoke to Josh, he should have at least attempted to get an emergency warrant to secure the house BEFORE Josh was allowed to clean up and destroy evidence...I can totally understand why Maxwell had such difficulty getting hired on, he's totally inept

[@SongWhisperer]

Some youtubers (Heavy D Sparks) just dug up an old mine looking for Susan’s body, the mine looked like it was purposely collapsed and set on fire so they cleaned it out and removed all the dirt all the way to the bottom. They don’t know anything conclusive yet but the videos are very interesting and entertaining (check them out).

[@armandosoria7993]

Juat watched that lol it was cool

[@Jennifer-hz8vb]

I seen that too. Last I seen her was waiting for DNA to come back.

[@foresttales506]

I like your theory, and thanks for another video! I have always thought that Susan had to be quite sedated for Josh to be able to kill her using any method. I wonder why he didn’t use suffocation or strangulation to avoid blood evidence? How do the microscopic blood spray droplets fit into the theory? How much blood loss would one expect if Josh used a tool like that? God rest her sweet soul, and the boys’ too. 🙏🏻

[@Glorindellen]

my theory was she was drugged, tried to get up but fell due to being drugged, possibly while Josh was trying to get her to move to the van with assistance from him or possibly because the drugs caused her to become nauseous and she tried to get to the bathroom (did she vomit some on the couch, which is why he cleaned it?) Then after she was in the van, perhaps he placed a bag over her head to suffocate her. The power tools were used at a remote location to help conceal the body, then Josh destroyed something that might have forensic evidence on it but not necessarily DNA. I read a comment on a video where someone was camping near the quarry where Josh stopped on his trip to or from Wendover why being surveilled from a plane on loan from the DEA and they smelled a foul smell at a large water tank nearby. What if he used the impact drill to drill out a lock on the tank, then place the body inside? Perhaps I'm wrong on that point, but I don't think he would have killed her in the house. He was into true crime and would most likely have known that cleaning up blood evidence only spreads it around more, though undetectable to the naked eye, efforts to clean it up will be very obvious on a luminol examination. Perhaps he used to impact drill to finish her off at where ever he dumped her, because forensics wouldn't be an issue there. Unless her body is ever found, we'll never know...

[@foresttales506]

Glorindellen Thanks for your thoughtful response. I’ve been conflicted about whether or not he killed her at home. The tiny blood spray droplets and the small smears of blood on the couch are highly suspicious to me. I mean, how did the spray pattern happen? But transporting a bloody body could be incredibly messy, and it makes more sense to do anything messy outside of the house. Considering the barren earth and snow, it may be hard to cover up a gruesome crime scene outdoors, unless well planned. Of course Josh was planning this for many months. I wish so badly that the police would have pursued a search warrant and seized the house, van, and his clothing the first night so Josh could not continue the cleanup. I hope so badly that she is found someday.

[@Glorindellen]

@@foresttales506 Considering there was a blizzard going on, any visual evidence would have been covered quickly by the heavy snow, both falling and being blown about. But let's say that he put down a tarp first, placed her on it, finished her off, then wrapped her up inside the tarp, using the tree wrap to keep it tightly contained. so that evidence wouldn't be shed while disposing of the body and make it easier to retrieve the body later, should he decide it was necessary to move it. Remember Michael scrapped his car in Pendleton when it could have been repaired or sold for far greater than the price given for scrap and the dogs went instantly to the car when police went to retrieve the car after learning Michael was trying to determine if it had been crushed.

[@foresttales506]

Glorindellen Yes, her body must have been wrapped very well to be able to move it later and not leave Susan’s DNA behind in Michael’s car. Charlie said that Susan went camping with them, and then stayed where the pretty crystals are. Considering all the camping gear/junk that he had in the back of the van, I’m not sure her body would have fit in the back. These details make me think she was in the front seat, though heavily sedated. Susan would not have left voluntarily on a Sunday night knowing she had to work the next day. I’m guessing that the children would have slept through much of the trip, at least until daybreak. Charlie, being a very bright child, would have likely remembered if he witnessed anything that was frightening or traumatic, IMO.

[@Glorindellen]

@@foresttales506 I think that Susan was feeling the early effects of the drugs, was woozy and nauseous and Josh told her was taking her to the emergency room, so she would cooperate with trying to get to the van. And you're right, with the generator, toboggans, and other gear, there can't have been much room for a body in the back.

[@livingitup9647]

Congratulations on your amazing investigative work! I'm so impressed by all the experiments you engaged in, in the pursuit of answers in this case. Makes me wonder, yet again, why law enforcement was-- and appears to continue to be-- so deficient in their own pursuit of answers and prosecution of Josh [and in two different states]. It is one of the saddest cases of domestic violence and family pathologies that I've witnessed. Perhaps it's because it's had so much coverage, and so much visual material now out in the public space. Such a shame that these crimes are not as rare as they ought to be. The only good news from this case is that Susan Cox's family won their civil suit against Washington State for negligence in allowing Josh Powell visitation with the kids in his own home. To Dave Cawley: I hope you've found good ways to cleanse all this negativity from your energy field, and that you regularly use methods to restore your inner balance. It's a heavy shroud, this type of work. Bless you for taking on the task. Take good care!

[@samwallaceofscotland]

I like how you reverted to her unmarried name. He didn't deserve her.

[@OurBob775]

I have my own theory: Josh never cooks, and he certainly never washes dishes. So for him to make pancakes and than susan get sick or tired afterwards, couldnt he have poisoned her or had that intention?

[@samanthamarkle6923]

Braden at one point pointed to a picture of a woman, put his finger on the figure's chest and said "Mommy has an owie."

[@marys3127]

Poor little cutie pies, gosh they were gorgeous kids....and so sweet. 😞

[@pinkpugginz]

Yes....

[@anewtattoobynancy1]

Omg!! Did he go for her heart?? I don’t know much about this case. Horrible so far. 🤯😢🙏💔

[@samanthamarkle6923]

@@anewtattoobynancy1 We don't know...Susan disappeared under mysterious circumstances and Josh killed their two sons and himself when suspicion fell on him. His brother who may have helped hide Susan's body committed suicide and their father (who was obsessed with Susan in a sick and twisted way) died of heart failure and refused to say what he knew.

[@chaianddogs3509]

@@samanthamarkle6923 What about the sister? is she still around? the sister of Josh I speak of ?? It's been a ;little while since ive watched/read anything on Susan & the kids case, but SURLY there is someone alive right now who holds a very dark secret... maybe just ONE person knows, & I suspect that sister.. :/ I hope one day they find Susan :(

[@nuckinfuts7610]

The level of research, investigation, and dedication Mr Cawley has invested into Susan's case is nothing short of remarkable.

[@jackyblue67same10]

Who is Mr. Cawley ?

[@codyandrus4911]

@@jackyblue67same10 the host of cold and the guy in the video

[@dlcchannel8881]

Not sure if you watch the 3episode series about the mine shaft that a KZbin channel dig last month but that is how I found out about this case and maybe they found her remains. I advise you to take a look at it

[@tinagillispie2471]

May not have caused blood at all.. just a fatal blow. I thought he may have burned her body with that torch. He was not a mastermind but he sure outsmarted the authorities. Just such a tragic ending.

[@heidiho5179]

@Georgia Amanatides People still love O.J. Doesn’t he have a reality show?

[@GlennaVan]

@@heidiho5179 O.J. walked with a "Not Guilty" from the criminal trial but he was found accountable in the civil trial, so in that respect, he didn't get away with it. If those on the jury understood the characteristics of leather, he may not have walked, Of course the stupid glove didn't fit after laying around so long. Fitted leather gloves, once they have gotten wet, shrink! That happens even with natural air moisture over time. His attorneys know that - it's too bad prosecution didn't hit on that. We can all still hope that Susan's body is found - her family deserves at least that, being able to put her to rest.

[@kathydamron9168]

SO WHY DON'T THE POLICE GO TO THE HOUSE AND PULL UP THE CARPET

[@pinkpugginz]

They did they found her blood

[@kimdeweese423]

@@pinkpugginz where is this information?! I don’t recall seeing it...

[@magical8013]

@@kimdeweese423 they found a small amount in the living room. I can't imagine blunt force trauma to the head without leaving a massive amount of blood.

[@thejudge8691]

@@magical8013 blunt force doesn't necessarily break skin and cause massive bleeding she could have had internal bleeding and coughed a very small amount up onto the carpet

[@magical8013]

@@thejudge8691 If its directed to the head it would leave a lot of blood, but your right if she was hit in the stomach she could have died from internal bleeding without leaving much blood. He did something in that living room. I'm just not sure what it is.

[@TheKourtneyDee]

I am always looking forward to you posting videos. Thank you so much for keeping Susans story alive.

[@Momma-angela]

Keep working on this case.....PLEASE, you will be the one to help investigators solve it. You’ve done a thoroughly awesome job so far.

[@alison4316]

Given 3 wishes, my first would be to know every ounce of truth about this case. It's one of those that sticks with you.

[@freakshowfilmfestival3591]

You wouldn't wish that she wasn't murdered? 🤨

[@bennettsmith8588]

@@freakshowfilmfestival3591 hahahahahaha

[@freakshowfilmfestival3591]

@@bennettsmith8588 🤷

[@an.dr.16561]

@@freakshowfilmfestival3591 jaja so tru but I guess u can not wish dead people to become alive .. I would wish none could get murdered..nd to know the real killer of ebry murdered thus far.. if you have ever heart of the boy in the box..man its heqrtbreaking wish we could bring justicia to hin

[@freakshowfilmfestival3591]

@@an.dr.16561 you can't bring people back from the dead (according to Disney Aladdin) but couldn't you wish it never happened? "I wish she was never murdered" that sorta thing? 🤷

[@DrJanTaplin]

I remember seeing in one video where he had shared the best place to hide a body was in the desert in a mineshaft… So could he have done this on purpose to create a wild goose chase, Because he actually put her pieces of her remains in dumpsters. Growing up my mother shared horror stories of people taking drugs and how it affected them, perhaps parents could share these kinds of stories so when our children find themselves in these types of positions, they seek help rather than trying to hide what’s going on.