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I'm using a simulator to practice for the 2019 MultiGP Qualifier. Can Velocidrone make me a better drone racer?
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[@aus1046]

I used Velocidrone for around 3 months before I ever built a quad IRL. Now I compete at national events IRL with the help of the training and knowledge from Velocidrone. To all the people asking for pids or setups to make vdrone feel more like IRL just stop there. All the fastest guys on vdrone (they're usually the fast guys IRL as well) use defaults except for rates and camera angle. You need to change the way you look at Simulators. If you pickup someone elses IRL quad and try to fly it, it will NOT fly like yours. Just look at Velocidrone as another quad you need to learn. I have 2 quads I fly, my IRL identical racers and Velocidrone. When you use this mindset it will help you to become a better pilot and more versatile to change.

[@Gibson99]

Think of it like real life cars. They all drive different even though the controls are basically the same. Learn to wring the most performance out of one car and you'll be able to get to that point in a different car much sooner, and eventually you'll be able to drive anything at its limits. Same thing applies to quads or wings or whatever. What's that old saying? Practice makes perfect? It's kinda true...

[@jonathanwennstromm1578]

What's the difference between Velo and liftoff?

[@Gibson99]

@@jonathanwennstromm1578 2 different sims from 2 different companies. Both capable sims. Different maps, different online systems. Think of it like comparing Forza Motorsport and Gran Turismo. Both great sims but with different styling, tracks and cars.

[@Thisguyandhiscamera]

This REALLY helps to hear. Thank you!

[@gonun69]

8:44 - Speaker: "Bardwell needs time. He's over there learning things."

[@enzofpv4604]

HAHA that's the best!. I didn't catch it the first time round

[@kevinjulievan]

That’s our local race announcer Ian . He always cracks me up !

[@gonun69]

@@kevinjulievan he sounds awesome

[@pleiadianpilot5076]

?? The edit skips at that exact moment, I cant hear anything announced except joshs response to it

[@d3c0deFPV]

Good to see you racing Joshua, nice little experiment. I love Velocidrone; it's helped me become a better pilot for a long time now.

[@zachcagley9519]

Thanks, JB. I'm waiting on my Spectrum dongle then I'm downloading the Sim from your link above. I really appreciate all your videos, you're my first (and almost always last) stop for all my kwad related info, and often my first choice when I'm stuck needing to pass time while waiting in a coffee shop for a business meeting like I am currently.

[@spokaneman8750]

I was FINALLY able to get my Tinyhawk 2 RTF set up in BetaFlight to use the drone as the dongle, so I am now up and running in Velosidrone! I have to agree with all the experienced pilots’ suggestion to put in stick time in a simulator as you are starting out. I had my Tinyhawk 2 out several times and was so frustrated I was about to give it up. I finally got Velosidrone loaded and after about 4 or 5 hours on it took my Tinyhawk out for a spin. The difference was immense! I still have a LONG way to go, but not I’m thinking about my next move up in this amazing sport. My ultimate goal are the long range, cinematic scenery runs, like diving mountains and such. Thank you for your videos, they are monumental to many seeking to enter this complicated, but exciting, sport!

[@MrFowl]

I love how JB slowly gets an accent throughout this video 😂

[@Maceyee1]

Glad to see you racing Joshua that vid was more of an insight into what its like to race more than whether the sims are useful. great insight for just another reason to have fun with friends

[@jlarson42]

This was cool. Win or lose was fun watching you race. I can see how practicing in the Sim would help. I was lost watching you run the course. Velocidrone has awesome lessons on KZbin to use in the Sim for beginners like me. Thanks for sharing. 💖🤓

[@readysetdrone]

I've tried the DRL Sim and really like it but have never tried Velcidrone. I'm going to give it a shot! Thanks for the video!

[@zero00419]

Did it work out

[@Drift-fpv]

@@zero00419 I like it at least I can fly when the weathers bad

[@muhammadqaisarali]

DRL vs velocidrone?

[@jrkrgrsherman]

This was a good one, JB. I've been a lone wolf freestyle pilot for over a year now and I'm fascinated by the community that is out there for racer's.

[@NielsonRichard]

The sim almost translated perfectly for me. It saved me a lot of money.

[@SuperSigma69]

Velocidrone?

[@NielsonRichard]

SuperSigma yes sir my first flight is posted

[@timothyciarlette8250]

Another great vid Joshua, and yes simulators help. I learned to fly Acro FPV on FPVFreeRider and your training vids, I thank you both. Now I'm "Ripping Balls" as Joshua says.

[@Velocidrone]

Nice video Joshua, very balanced and full of good insights. Thanks for doing it - I didn't know it was happening so this came as a nice surprise to me :)

[@michaelpetale6872]

Loved it JB I'll be practicing on the simulator as much as possible! As I can never get organized in reality to getnoutband fly for real! So thank you for this brill video!

[@josephrsalexander4589]

Velocidrone has the most tracks - SFPV going crazy building tracks. If you spend a couple days tuning you can get it to fly just like your real quad. The top pilots fly it. Hands down the best sim.

[@mikemasterson5437]

You're one of the pilots who got me started. Just bought a spektrum dx6 radio and velocidrone. Freaking awesome but still very green lol

[@Unknown-zs2bm]

How about some updated tutorials with Velocidrone with suggestions on which quad to use and proper pid and rate conversions.

[@aus1046]

Velocidrone uses betaflight rates. They should be the same. As far as pids go, I'd recommend leaving those default. You should only change (IMO) rates, camera angle, battery size, props and enable true lens if your computer can handle it. Also a 144hz monitor is very helpful alongside a computer that can push atleast 144hz.

[@marc_frank]

@@aus1046 i have a 75hz screen and it's enough computer could do more, but it's ok i can usually get into the top 50 in drl if i try

[@aus1046]

@@marc_frank enough? Sure. Is it hindering your performance? Without a doubt. I've seen countless guys that are great pilots (just a few seconds off the fastest guys) get a 144hz monitor and instantly become competitive with them. I'm 100% certain your lap times would improve with a 144hz monitor.

[@marc_frank]

@@aus1046 probably but i'm not willing to spend 200 to 400 $ just to be better at some stupid game there are more important things i could be doing with my time and money i still enjoy flying from time to time, though

[@bewing77]

I actually pretty much hated Velocidrone until I got things set up right, it just didn’t feel anything like any RL quad I hade ever tried. I think it was MrSteele who had a video with a bunch of tweaks which got me in the right direction.

[@positivemasculinity42]

Hi , I was big in FPV 5 years ago, and I am dusting off the quads to get back into it. I thought of a sim to learn the sticks again, Thank you for this vid, Something close to real is what I wanted , and if Josh says this is the sim, then I just pay and download. Thanks for the huge amount of info you have given to the community Josh, I doubt there is one pilot out there thant has not bennifited for your wisdom.

[@mordinkainen1844]

Thanks for posting this, I recently asked the very question you just answered with this video.

[@argyleskyfpv461]

I use fpv freerider on my phone with my Qx7 and a 10 dollar headset i put my phone into. And all i can say is that it has helped tremendously!!!!! Im no racer by any means. Just a freestyle pilot. The muscle memory a sim gives you is priceless. I used one when when i flew helis. I guess what im saying is sims can only help.

[@MCsCreations]

Really, really interesting conversation, Joshua! And great flying there! 😃

[@TheBoatPirate]

Just like dryfire and practice runs in 3gun competition. Practice, practice, practice. Good video.

[@davidunderwood1907]

I liked this more than I thought when I clicked. You beat. Great video.

[@matairae5270]

What great bunch of characters hahaha! This was so cool thank you, this may mark my entrance into drone racing

[@deant6627]

I like The DRL simulator, physics and graphics are awesome.

[@RavenWindrunner]

I recently learned to fly acro in liftoff, makes me way more confident when I get my FPV goggles and can fly my tinyhawk in acro.

[@zwilkinson2]

I'm a total noob also. But, liftoff has saved me a lot of walking also.

[@Humphries61]

Great video enjoy listening and learning from your channel.

[@GosHawkFPV]

Sims are so important, even for freestyle practice!!

[@kwisatzhaderach1458]

I learned how to fly in GTAV

[@peterzingler6221]

That's badicly what my brain sad when I flew my first Fpv plane

[@mikeoleksa]

Makes a lot of sense. I've actually been thinking about using my goggles to play F1 2019 on PC. Once I get them anyway. I'm finally getting a set next week.

[@licensetodrive9930]

@Mike Oleksa I used to plug my Sony Glasstron video glasses into my Xbox360 through VGA and play Burnout Paradise, despite the superb optics and 832x624 displays I didn't manage more than an hour at a time before my eyes got weary, but it was a lot of fun.

[@TheAusherGuy]

I learned playing warhawk on PS3 dogfights.

[@kwisatzhaderach1458]

GTAV on PC has a great FPV mod. You can use your transmitter via usb with your PC. Not as high fidelity as Velocidrone but great for any beginner with tons of dynamic environments

[@PinchTune]

I was doing 20 second laps on this track (real life) 3 weeks ago with Andy Dolma FPV... in the same heat. He was pulling 12 seconds laps. Yeah, I'm old. lol.

[@paulgiusti6779]

Wow, this is my first year of racing so how did you know this is exactly the question I have been asking? Going to get off You Tube and download Velocidrone now! -Swampdog!

[@ramim.5856]

Good subject.. I am subscribed!! oops I am already subscribed long time ago :D thanks JB ❤😉

[@calvintraviserickson]

Lol I hear that southern twang JB. lolol it happens to me also

[@GregQuillen]

He lives in Florida I thought. I went from bronx NYC accent. Then living in south in military. I lost it mostly. Crazy how you pick up accent subconsciously

[@archer4922]

I donno if velocidrone can but drl sim has definitely helped me the last few months. I just wish I would’ve gotten a good racing sim 2-3 years ago when I started fpv. Velocidrone does have drl beat on the graphics for the multigp tracks.

[@sbelljr]

Your accent gets more and more southern through the video... same thing happens to me when I'm around my family 😂

[@WilkieaSt]

could almost pass as Dr Phil towards the end haha. Jokes aside, another informative video and I really enjoy listening to Evan. He's humble and articulate and has some great insights. Thanks for the vid

[@DillonHoopes]

bardwell you have to come race with us in velocidrone on wednesdays!!

[@MikeAarset]

Really Really Really Really Really enjoyed this VID! Great to hear that others use Velocidrone as a racing tool too! So did you blackbox your Velocidrone drone Joshua?

[@jamesonkruger6989]

Sick wheels Joshua

[@S700KYFPV]

In the UK we don't have practice laps, we walk the track then heat 1 kicks off. I like Velocidrone, but at the moment they are not supporting the current MAC beta, so Liftoff is what I am using.

[@mobius-1965]

Nothing like getting interviewed while eating, haha sweat revenge I dig it..

[@danlatu209]

I only sim for practice and save my gear for the races on the weekends. Velocidrone just works!

[@hateeternalmaver]

I don't know, I own it but don't really get warm with Velocidrone. I just like everything about Liftoff so much more... You mentioned Rotor Rush in your last livestream and I want to point out that this one is just great and probably even better for practicing racing (it's very race-focussed!). It's just very expensive, otherwise I would still use it.

[@DavidOwensuk]

Great video!

[@attainableapex]

you have to try this other drill for putting things together its the Milwaukee 12v clutched impact when you use a impact to tighten things it doesn't put so much torque to the user. and its clutched so you can set it and when it keeps hamering and doesn't move your done. you can hold it literally with 2 fingers when even on max settings. they are like $100. dude try it out. also, it works way better than a drill and using the clutch on. it still bites the fastener and spins stuff, but with the impact you don't have to hold it at all

[@abnormallynormal8823]

Man, I gotta get into racing once COVID is over. That looked like a blast

[@WINTERACTIVITY]

Gg!

[@alexfugate22]

Glad I'm not the only one who flips upside down and crashes when I finish a lap.

[@codyanderson3976]

LMOA I love how you put in the footer "Evan Turner (HeadsUpFPV) FASTER THAN ALEX VANOVER" I have to imagine that's a jab!

[@JoshuaBardwell]

It's just a fact that he beat Vanover at the DRL championships. Got to keep Alex humble you know.

[@DukeOfSouls]

(Me in a basement tied up.) "Suddenly I hear the intro to Joshua's videos." No please, anything but that!

[@craigwolstenholme2166]

Hi josh would you think plugging the goggles in improves the feeling rather then a screen???

[@DirtyLew42]

I can answer the title w a quick and easy yes. I started fpv in around May w sim, and flew maybe 100 hrs since then and am a much much better pilot than I would be otherwise. No breaking or price limitations w a sim

[@AndyRC]

NIce. Yeah sims will help. By the way nice 5.0L Josh

[@FustFPV]

I have a love hate relationship with velocidrone (the best sim iv used). Its fun but still feels to unrealistic and my track times are slower than real life. Great to learn muscle memory of flying without crashing though.

[@gaptoofgranny]

Velocidrone vs. Liftoff!

[@gedgar2000]

That was great Joshua. I wonder what you could do if you got obsessive, and practiced continuously for a long time? You look very controlled. The Kevin Turner's of the world also look very controlled as they do stuff mind blindingly fast. You'd do great if you really dedicated yourself to racing. But you fly great. And the sim seems so valuable that unless you're rich, with lots of quads and people to go get your quad and start fixing while you keep practicing, the simulation would be essential. I fly airplanes, and I've found that for keeping competent at flying instruments, low end simulators like Microsoft's X, work great. There, even though it doesn't feel like the plan, the instrument scan, and the procedures are all the same, and that's the hard part. I learned to fly by you on Freeflight. Thanks. Learning what I did on a real quad would have been stupid!

[@MukiFPV]

Good job that day Bardwell! Next quad doc will race Taq :)

[@kevinjulievan]

Muki FPV he’s next ! I’ll bet he can power loop each gate faster than I can fly it normally !

[@tehllama42]

At least Evan acknowledges that showing up with the coolest looking quads means something.

[@sjoervanderploeg4340]

I should fly more MultiGP tracks on VelociDrone, been flying your yard in LiftOff a lot lately!

[@Fpvfreaky]

Joshua Bardwell you done really good man to get where you did, I recon you could beat him , your chilled when you fly, I really should use a flight sim, look forward to a rematch against Kevin 👍🏽😁

[@WrongWayFPV]

I personally think Sims have made me a better pilot. My favorite track is the shipyard in Gates of hell on DRL. The DRL racer 3 is closest to my set-up

[@marc_frank]

yeah that one is cool i also like treetops and the valkenburg session from the featured tracks

[@veek2767]

I have DRL but the lack of creative levels is a bit annoying. Gates of Hell is like the only good one other then OutLook. Then the only good one is the carnival one in the race levels.

[@ForwardBias]

Is there an updated link for the velocidrone discord? I want to participate in these events but can't seem to find the community anywhere

[@briancourtice2858]

I have both Velocidrone and DRL. Velocidrone feels so much more "locked in" for me. I can't fly the MultiGP tracks in DRL anywhere near as well as I can fly them in Velocidrone. In DRL I am always overshooting my lines and struggling to not to either climb above the best height or accidentally drop to the ground. It's frustrating. I do ok on the DRL tracks where I can run wide open throttle all the time, but I suck badly on tight courses where speeds are lower and throttle plays a bigger part.

[@carrboro_chapelhillfpv2442]

Flight one? Thought they were done. Never been able to get support for them. Anyway great idea for a video, try a crazy hard trick next, see if once you can do it if it can then be done in real life.

[@Gibson99]

Yes I'm sure you can. Because of sims (liftoff and Freerider) I went from crashing 2 seconds after takeoff to doing a split-s into an orbit... And I can do it on my real quad too. Sims also helped me un-learn all the bad habits I'd learned flying in auto level mode. Just rebuilt my quad with a new stack and I'm not even assigning a switch for level mode - just to change rates. I'm no expert by any means but I seriously wish I'd bought a sim WAY sooner. Best $20 you'll ever spend in this hobby!

[@DJFRITTZ]

Can you do a video of you flying in Liftoff vs real life? Since your front yard is a level in the game it might be a good way to compare life vs simulator and finding good sim settings for realistic flight.

[@felixemmann9262]

I love your video and i had buy me a freestyle drohne .

[@vexioz]

Super interesting video

[@jejefpv]

Interesting experience ! On Velocidrone FB group, I saw a few times some side by side comparison Real life/sim, it is impressive how close Velocidrone is from the reality. I am a freestyle pilote, I just race occasionally on sim because it is always a good traing, but even for freestyle, I learn a lot quicker thx to Velocidrone. I can actually fly only the weekend, but with a sim, I can practice a little bit daily :) I have tested many other sims (Liftoff, DRL, DCL, Freerider, GTA...), this one is still my favorite, even if I still use Liftoff from time to time, to vary the pleasures ;)

[@SuperSigma69]

How different are they (lift off and drl) from real life? i got liftoff and drl. Are they that bad?

[@jejefpv]

@@SuperSigma69 They are not bad. By default, in Liftoff the quad drop too slowly, but with a custom quad from the community, it is much better (I use "Jade" from Escape FPV)

[@TheSpiritOverSky]

@@jejefpv J'aimerai savoir combien de poids Escape a rajouté, tu pourrais me dire ça ? Merci... =)

[@jejefpv]

@@TheSpiritOverSky Il n'a pas vraiment "ajouté" de poids, il a juste choisi un ensemble de composants (qui arrivent 544g) et le résultat en tout cas est bcp plus réaliste que le modèle que j'utilisais avant :)

[@Ryasis12345]

I've been using DRL to help me get better!

[@Terror-Gene]

8:48 - Yea, that looks safe :p

[@Ryasis12345]

I smell a CHALLENGE RACE!!

[@sergiuszmakiekowski3086]

Joshua you are great 😊

[@VectorRoll]

I tried a drone sim in steam once and it felt awkward. Can't remember which one it was at the moment. Anyways, I just purchased this one and will try it tonight after work. Hopefully it will go ok. It would be nice if they added this game to Steam. I have a pretty big library of games and it and origin are the two things I install first after updates and drive when I build new PC's. 😁

[@Muddyorphan1812]

Know when to pass I'm still just trying to know how to fly gates that 180whip fast acro low ground is tuff

[@EssexRc]

Great video, i cannot find this track on velocidrone 🙈😬

[@juggalizzle75]

That's my biggest problem with racing. Managing to go fast and follow the damn course correctly. Slower I do fine. Start pushing the speed and I go through gates the wrong way or completely line up wrong going through. Ya... I'll stick to freestyle and cruising

[@TheBojengles]

There is no way I would've been able to get into this hobby without a sim. QX7 and Velocidrone were my first purchases. Flew the sim for 3-4 months before building my first rig. Still fly Velocidrone regularly. Highly recommend for people just getting started.

[@normandb.1704]

Nice car :P

[@subiadad8169]

Josh what do you think about setting up a drone on Velocidrone. I am new to fpv and wanted to practice with my sim (velocidrone ) with the most realistic drone settings. Help me out with my set up?

[@PenPeng]

Speaking of simulators, one kinda weird thing I have noticed (in Liftoff) is that I'm noticeably worse with the camera noise turned on.

[@MrSutekii]

Karearea Talon PR eh? That's my choice for racing! Handles like its on rails

[@heartofamericafpv5584]

better question... can you even be competitive without practicing for a race in a simulator. lol!

[@TheSpiritOverSky]

I give you an answer... =)

[@tehllama42]

Totally true. You can - but it's way more expensive.

[@danlatu209]

This is the best response! Especially for memorizing those lines. Look at how many pilots that are in sportmans class and see how many seconds separate them.

[@longrangefpv]

always have an spare quad (or more) on racedays...

[@mark.us84]

Damn, i'm so far away from this, must practice more.

[@adamraydj]

Omg yes! Have a drone repair simulator! Like car mechanic simulator

[@SnapShotHotshot]

Hey Mr. B - Can you please post your choice of quad and the settings that you chose to make the SIM feel as realistic as possible to you? Screen shot on Discord?

[@C4ndleJ4ck]

Wow, this simulator legitimately looks better than real life ; )

[@bumbleboltfpv3707]

5:17 I have to just say I frikin loooove the DCL drones and the DCL in general. Go QF1! :D

[@marc_frank]

i can't download the dcl game from steam it says it will launch in 3 months

[@bumbleboltfpv3707]

​@@marc_frank Aye, it was open demo for a while, but I think it just went onto lock down until full release, I could be totally wrong on that. But I will say,for me, out of all the simulators it is the closest "feeling" to flying my 6" quad irl.

[@poulmartinmller4094]

... is drilling into your own arm really a technical difficulty as such? ... :-) .... to the point and again asuper informative combo with Evan ... well timed with your laps allowing for in-depth - really depth - analysis during ... :-) .... thx guys

[@JoshuaBardwell]

It was the prop that cut me not the drill.

[@MidnightMarrow]

Yeah it seems like simulators have the basic "controls" down but they never seem to have the power and gravity as a real life kwad. They seem to feel much more floaty and lack that punch in reality which I feel makes it easier to fly the real thing than simulated.

[@boratsagdiyev1586]

anybody tried fpv air 2? I love the physics but now i wanna try velocidrone right after i actually wanted to try drl

[@hadyandharmawan7650]

nice track....what the name of this track on veloci?

[@IgorAntarov]

It would be interesting to see your performance change in Velocidrone after you've raced the real thing. Just to compare what gives you a faster growth.

[@TheSpiritOverSky]

I think none. Or Equal.

[@TurboLife]

ahhhh phooey!

[@fightingquads9198]

@Joshua Bardwell.....What are the quietest 5in props that you've tested???

[@randomnessx3597]

I have liftoff is that a goos enough flite sim

[@richardwallinger1683]

What is Velocidrone .. where can i learn how to connect it to my transmitter .

[@Soyboyfpv]

QUAD DOC!!!!!

[@themadhatter196]

Man I would be pushing that to the limit

[@neilfpv]

I'm using LiftOff to learn freestyle. Is Velocidrone more closer to the real one?

[@adamlhotak8180]

JB should try to do "my perfect racing qwad build" with vanny or headsup