Why I'm Hyped for the Next OCG Banlist

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[@coulterbaker4663]

Meanwhile there's also the Doomer Take: "Multchummy is meant to ease the TCG into the idea of unbanning Maxx C" - Kind of a frog in slowly boiling water situation XD

[@namelessanonymous2913]

Ok, I want this to happen simply because twitter and reddit would literally explode and it'd be the funniest thing ever.

[@kevinmorad2563]

When Josh is Hyped for more Yugioh I love Master Duel it's fun however can we talk on other handtraps it's not just the bug I'm more annoyed on ash I'm playing Horus pile yet other decks too ash & effect negates way more impactful! 😂

[@tidalfront2360]

​@@kevinmorad2563ain't no way we're gonna complain about Ash lmao

[@kevinmorad2563]

@@tidalfront2360 I see the game it's 1 extra search or have your opponent go infinitely with Maxx C Master Duel doesn't care to ban overpowered cards just stall apparently Maxx c draw 8 cards drop nibiru is healthy right who cares just end your turn & let your opponent combo ash is the same I lose against any HT this cancer shouldn't be defended! do me a favor & prevent harassment or are you going to act stupid?

[@redx4361]

@@tidalfront2360why not? Konami had to change how to design decks to not just lose to it. I’d argue the existence of cards like ash and imperm are why most decks coming out are just 1 card combo now. I’d also argue the existence of ash and imperm forcing konami to design decks to play around those 2 is why we see droll come into formats more often than it ever use to.

[@randombadchannel8700]

Multchumy and max C coexisting would be the single funniest thing ever.

[@Master_Xi]

I went to WCQ Indonesia 2 weeks ago, and gotta say it's funny as hell (Top 32 dekcprofile on my channel tomorrrow btw... 👀)

[@LS-qs9ju]

Only Tenpai consistently do it in the OCG.

[@geiseric222]

@@LS-qs9juand they are cutting it because it sucks

[@hermit3043]

This will happen in master duel, at least for a time. I feel it in my bones.

[@steelblake]

The chummer sure ain't showing results

[@SunnyYGO]

I had so much hope that Maxx C would get banned, but it's not looking likely since it's being reprinted in the upcoming structure decks.

[@cuttlefish6839]

More reason it could reprint it to make it dirt cheap then ban it and make the new card expensive

[@GiovanniBallerinii]

​@@cuttlefish6839ocg doesn't utilise these anti-customer manners.

[@TruePartyKing]

@@cuttlefish6839it’s already a dirt cheap card in the OCG, it was reprinted in everything from Traptrix SD to rarity collection 1, the one card we didn’t get from them lol

[@leakypeach6250]

​@@cuttlefish6839Is it not cheap atm?

[@sallas09]

The Tactical Try decks, right? It’s worth noting that the Cyber Dragon and Live Twin decks each have 2 Maxx C, so there is a real chance that they start by semi-limiting it. And that could be the first step towards eventually completely phasing it out.

[@johannkohlderhoff6190]

They gonna put it to 4

[@andrewh.9830]

Hot take: They have no intention of banning or even semi limiting maxx "C" and multchummy is just a way to keep combo decks in check for the world championship format

[@Abosoria]

With multchumy and maxx c both at 3 now going second is viable -Konami

[@admontblanc]

With both legal I can now deck you out like nothing going first.

[@arawyn9974]

​@@admontblanchandtraps exist

[@admontblanc]

@@arawyn9974 sure, and most of the best are hard once per turn activations.

[@khaledk9776]

@@arawyn9974 not if i activate misc

[@zsmit7648]

Or hear me out, you run maxx c chummy and droll as well as all the board breakers so you can draw 20+ cards and then lock yourself from drawing more for the rest of the turn.

[@lucaslennan3356]

I predict Maxx C semi limit. Then it goes down as the rest of the new mulchummys are released.

[@LeonIsLate]

I don't think ocg and tcg does semi limits as much as master duel. It'll either be completely banned or stay as is

[@randombadchannel8700]

​@@LeonIsLate S:P little knight

[@Maskuerade-Unseen]

​@@LeonIsLateYou have not been keeping in touch with the OCG and their banlists, they're a joke 😂

[@lucaslennan3356]

@@LeonIsLate OCG is notorious for its semi-limits.

[@killuafan4365]

​@@LeonIsLate Mali had a lot of companions in OCG land my friend.

[@jeredgibb5064]

I won't miss Maxx c when it's banned, but I will miss the aesthetic of it. The card art is memorable, and it works because someone at Konami thought "wow the back of these cards kind of look like roaches. What if we had a card that could emulate the dread of a swarm of roaches piling up about to erupt at an opposing player?" It really is a brilliant design, artistically speaking.

[@comettcg8830]

It's unlikely for OCG to ban Maxx C it on specifically next July banlist. The reason being they will release the Tactical Try Deck (the one you can loan on MD ranked) on early June. 2 of them contain 2 copies of Maxx C. With fresh product containing Maxx C, I don't think they will yet, probably more on the October banlist, ocg has been consistent with 3 month banlist. Another possibility is Maxx C to Semi, bcs the Tactical Try Deck contains only two, and it's S:P esque 'warning' type of banlist

[@ryuuohdeltaplus7936]

Maxx C has already been semi-limited once in the OCG during SPYRAL format. It was very VERY poorly-received that it went back to 3 in the next banlist. So no, any speculations to OCG hitting Maxx C is just TCG player cope.

[@comettcg8830]

@@ryuuohdeltaplus7936 well doing it during SPYRAL sounds like one of worst timing to do it

[@bobby45825]

It'd help if Konami would increase their non-existent communication rate to explain why they print certain cards, ban certain cards, and keep other cards legal. Hire a PR guy or something. Total silence just allows players to stew in their theories and thoughts and, for all we know, they're all correct.

[@davidherdoizamorales7832]

they like to print a card and them ban it, doesn't make sense to comunicate the ban before the reprint

[@geiseric222]

But we know why Maxx C is a thing, players don’t like it and cry about it but we know why.

[@bobby45825]

@@geiseric222 Would be nice to see them type it out however. Konami doesn't care about their reputation it seems.

[@geiseric222]

@@bobby45825 they shouldn’t to be honest. If they posted the reasoning people would just call their reasoning back and we will be back to the exact same argument calling them incompetent for a different reason

[@bobby45825]

@@geiseric222 Yes but at least we'd have a basis with logic and then the community could MAYBE have a discussion with said PR person that would represent the company. Humanizing Konami even just a little bit would help the player base more than anything.

[@wirosamp]

OCG banlist often announced at like 9pm japanese time on 25th the month before on effect (so, 25th June local time for July 2024)

[@bobshnitzel2608]

Imagine the combo decks the OCG can design with 6 Maxx Cs in the format

[@starbomber]

There was the madman playing "6 MAXX C" a while back

[@SC_Blast]

My hope is that the mulchummy set of handtraps since they say you can only activate one, become situational draw cards all worded the same way. Where one maybe draws for specials from hand, one from grave, one from extra deck, etc

[@SilverBoans]

Not only does that give a reason to.ban the c it's better cause you can always keep releasing more versions of mulchummy. As a business you keep powercreep by keep releasing a new mulchummy and by game play perspective the game is healthy. They literally get to eat their cake and have it at the same time

[@Stogen]

I find it so funny that I watch this channel consistently when I have not played modern yugioh in years. (I play a little bit of past formats but not much)

[@silentclyde]

I've said it once and I'll say it again: The jellyfish could have my SSN and bank info on it and it'd still be my favorite card as long as it kills Maxx "C".

[@yu-gi-oase7498]

Best background music

[@SlowRule]

A little thing as well, if Maxx C is banned they don't have too design stuff around it.

[@Abyssionknight]

I still think the plan is to make more maxx c replacement cards before they ban roach. Like imo there should be one for Hand, one for Deck&Banishment, one for GY and one for ED. Then they can remove Maxx C while still giving people cards to let them counter special summons from all locations (other than s/t zone I guess). Maybe add the NS draw to all of them as well, since that was a nice add on that ensures these niche cards should go at least even.

[@r3zaful]

Wrong, you see ocg locals are often filled with max rarity pet decker that probably most tcg players cant comprehend the price like valmonica or evil twins, you know what they hate the most? Ash blossom

[@admontblanc]

@@r3zaful makes sense since bad decks are the ones that hard lose to Ash Blossom. Meanwhile Maxx C, well yeah it's a risk but if you want to keep summoning it doesn't really stop you from doing anything.

[@r3zaful]

​@@admontblancthey spend money the most, you should expect someone bring full max rarity evil twins with alternsre artwork that you probably cant comprehend how expensive they are. Konami is not going to listen to you, they listen to people who pays.

[@admontblanc]

@@r3zaful ofc I get that, but lots of delusional people think it's the guys spending $1000 on meta decks they acquire through the secondary market that keep the game afloat instead of the casuals who just drop $1000 per set instead because it comes with a new gimmicky deck they like. I saw the same thing at my locals, the guy who nobody considered a skillful or competitive player by himself spent more on cardboard than the 5 most consistent players of that locals, who for the most part only spent more money when some good yearly set like Battles of Legend was released. Ofc I get why Konami would listen to those people and I think that's a good thing too.

[@spicymemes7458]

​@@admontblancthose people aren't dropping thousands on common junk, plane tickets, room and board, to pet deck at YCS WhoGivesAShit. The money is largely going toward the chase cards and that is often what is competitively viable.

[@connermorgan9223]

I’m fearing that it was printed to be a Maxx C replacement for the TCG but will just be borderline unplayable in the OCG

[@Thee9thAaroniero]

There’s a product with max c in it coming out in June so I doubt it would be banned. It would be semi limited if anything

[@bchavez149]

"We're gonna ban Maxx C, but we'll give you a replacement." Still waiting for my Block Dragon replacement

[@LynnLyns]

Maybe they'll semi "C" first, then limit and finally ban it. OCG likes to take the things slowly PS: Ban Maxx C in Master Duel right ahead, i hate the card, give me back my 90UR dust

[@mrharvy100]

And you wonder why they won’t ban it…lol

[@cuttlefish6839]

I haven't wasted my ur dust on it and haven't pulled one from packs. I rather lose than play and contribute to that cards play rate

[@queenbrightwingthe3890]

@@cuttlefish6839 Its only bad players that plays it anyway. I have played MD for two years and not had any problems winning games without it. Its just an excuse for bad players to steal free wins out of you cause Mac C is his win con. Why you think so many scoop if you Ash it ?

[@doorto6152]

That’s how TCG treated the earth insect

[@Xero-rr2ol]

@@queenbrightwingthe3890 haha no. cope.

[@esrohm6460]

just you wait until they print MutchumC, of cause right after the tcg banned Mutchummy Purulia as it was to unfun of a card, so that they finally can say combo is no more we now have 9 turn ending cards agains a deck that summons more than twice a turn, but then so that combo decks are still viable will they put crossout and called by back to 3 of cause

[@dunslax3]

They're releasing Tactical Try Decks with 2 maxx Cs in them, so my guess is that they'll semi limit it.

[@silv3r7ongue97]

I want elf back In the tcg so bad 😫

[@egggge4752]

Elf my beloved

[@keithjunior6130]

Activate Multchummy Draws into Maxx C is going to be the filthiest interaction

[@donjuan6996]

OCG: Maxx C to two

[@FafliXx]

I said that a Maxx C replacement with more restrictions would be good for the game. My suggestion was a Nibiru-like condition where it draws 5 after your opponent summoned 5 times (after it resolves), since they could simply stop summoning and make a weaker board, and against some decks that would not even do anything. But super stupid combo decks that play 15 minute turns would let the opponent draw 5 (still less than current Maxx C probably lol). But this one also works. That it only works if you control no cards, and only works on summons from hand, is a *massive* deal obviously. My prediction for the banlist btw: Maxx C to 1 and then later this year it gets banned fully, when they have more info on what decks dominate because of lack of Maxx C.

[@salat8735]

The problem with multchummy is simple. If it becomes a staple, the next combo deck will just not summon from hand. It's exactly like Droll. Since modern combo decks need to be more resilient, instead of adding to hand, they often set spells to not play into droll. More spells that search become quickplays, to be able to dodge droll in draw phase. What would stop the next combo deck from simply NOT special summoning from hand? That would mean it's only a +0 that is useless going first. That's also the reason maxx C will not be banned. Because it doesn't do the same thing. Floo isn't a combo deck but summons a ton from hand. Then there's combo decks like Spyral, which maybe summon twice from hand. A +1 going second into a combo deck isn't nearly enough for a card to be unusable going first.

[@ArberKryemadhi]

Put it in the side deck then

[@salat8735]

​@@ArberKryemadhi You're missing the point. First of all, it's as clear as day that this card won't be a maindeck staple. Done. Next: Konami just isn't going to make Combo decks play into this thing. They just won't. Why would they? So they sell less?

[@Ragnarok540]

The reason they keep Maxx C alive in the OCG is both funny and sad. Supposedly there are a lot of casual players in that format that for example have pet decks like adamancipator that need stuff like block dragon to function. Some players think that is fine that maxx c exists as long as they are allowed to have block dragon, even though their strategy loses very hard to maxx c itself. Konami is worried that if maxx c would get banned, then block dragon would soon follow and that player instead of learning a new deck, would just get into another game.

[@cuttlefish6839]

It's also sad when you consider Maxx c was a tcg exclusive we did this to them lol

[@admontblanc]

Lets take your approach serious and to its complete conclusion then, card X existing means your Y deck hard loses to that, therefore card X must be banned for your deck's sake. Next we do the same for the other 500 decks in the game resulting in 90% of the card pool being banned so everyone can play the bad version of 2003 decks.

[@justinianmakesbyzantiumgre5716]

@@admontblanc the difference is maxx c kills like an insane number of decks not just one lmao its the most generically good handtrap by far.

[@shien-ryu4395]

The same logic can be applied to other strong handtraps as well. Broken cards and combos exist mainly because those handtraps excusing them. Food for thought

[@quint2568]

@@justinianmakesbyzantiumgre5716 it doesnt kill them. you can run a quarter of your deck to just negate that bug. and those cards are still good even without the bug being in play

[@caryymytank8300]

Please. Don't give me hope.

[@엘렉트럼]

I am an ocg player, and I think beatrice is a bigger problem, and probably nobody is even considering banning maxx c

[@GlacierMoonDragon]

Too solve this issue, a new mechanic should probably be released that tackles this issue. Something similar to Pokemon's Vmax or Mega gimmick.

[@bluedemontr-whisperofwind-2296]

No we don't need more fucking mechanics

[@Alexalibur13]

That is some mega dangerous copium intake mein Freund.

[@bobhouses2036]

Best thing about multchummy is that it'll finally hit floo

[@mikimiki9109]

i hope multchummy is in the next master duel pack

[@doggymansrcworld9378]

Nah man they are gonna semi limet maxx c

[@brittt2421]

Maybe OCG will ban Maxx C someday, but not this year, as the new Tactical Try Deck has 2 Maxx C in both Cyber and Evil Twin deck

[@verbalengine95]

I hope they put it to 2

[@SuperSilver316]

Only commenting for Pokémon Colosseum OST

[@dewanegara8333]

Nah, as long as at least they have not printed extra deck multchummy, i doubt they hit C

[@endymion6]

they literally just put maxx c for the tactical try decks, no way they'd ban it the next month after trydeck release

[@arrownoir]

Yugioh world champion deludes himself into thinking that Maxx C will get banned in July 2024

[@MeazurAli]

they gonna limit Maxx C with Chummy unlimited

[@happo6449]

Imagine if they have both at 3 and then they ban multchumy and keep maxx C

[@ziggystardust1973]

Maybe they will start with limiting Maxx C as a warning, like "we will be maxx c next year, be prepared" lol

[@queenbrightwingthe3890]

Max C wont get semi-limited/limited. It either has to be a 3 or banned. Limit the card and it just becomes a worse game where the one who draws it are now in an advantage.

[@spyro2002]

​@@queenbrightwingthe3890it's 100% an ocg move though

[@admontblanc]

@@spyro2002 OCG actually had Maxx C at 2 some years ago and they immediately moved it back to 3 the very next list, not to 1. I think most people here are very high on copium if they think this card existing means they'll ban or limit the roach.

[@PandaHero-yi8pq]

​@@admontblancfunny that these so called "TCG master race" hyping maxx C ban on OCG when they probably won't even touching the format anyway regardless whether maxx C is banned or not and they'll just find another excuses to mock the format

[@Fighterman481]

​@@PandaHero-yi8pq I don't play aside from MD so I don't have skin in the OCG/TCG debate, but the OCG format undeniably has an affect on the TCG when cards like Maxx "C" are in the picture. Maxx "C" is so format-warping that it requires consideration when making any new card, and I imagine oftentimes priority is given to the OCG format when designing cards simply because that's what the designers know, and it's a lot harder to grasp the TCG format when I bet a lot of the designers don't even know enough English (or Spanish or French or etc) to get a good grasp on how the playerbase feels. And, to be fair, in an ideal world they wouldn't need to, if the formats were merged they could probably do mostly fine just listening to feedback from people who are OCG players now. Regardless, IMO keeping Maxx "C" in is just poor game design. A card that has a 90+% playrate (at least, that's what it was last I heard in MD) is so unbelievably broken that something needs to be done.At that point, it's not a "you can put it in your deck", it's "you effectively have to have this to be competitive". And, IMO, if they want to balance the game around the card, just...put it in a master rule. Ban the card itself, but say that once per duel each person has the opportunity to activate an effect that is basically Maxx "C". That removes the uncertainty from the equation and helps prevent saccing. That being said, I think doing that is a terrible idea and the bug needs to go. Maxx "C" just never feels good to play against in my experience, unless you're playing one of the like three decks that don't interact with it, like floo, and that's just not fun.

[@wsf0623]

Wouldn’t be surprised if it happens after banning Multchummy in TCG.

[@masterminer2338]

Multchummy Purulia should be called Under the "C". Change my mind.

[@NitsuaBZ]

Maxx C is going to one

[@winter9348]

Nooo i dont want maxx C to be banned in MD, i have a royal of it 😭

[@dominicmallano5633]

Multchummy is a pretty mediocre card. I don’t think it affects maxx c

[@Thestar17x]

The tcg banlist comes from the ocg too its all japan

[@thecookies6109]

Chumy vs shifter in floow. - Shifter always wins.

[@kuma9239]

OCG loves the roach so much I fear they will release maxx c 3 instead of banning it.

[@jtm94]

Unchained was only "the best" deck for like 1 month. A lot of people forget that Chimera was also "the best" deck for a brief period winning several events. That format was a very low powered one and that's why many people complained about how there were 20+ viable decks which is why it makes no sense for Rescue Ace nor Unchained to have been hit by the ban list when they weren't fractionally as dominant as Snake Eyes is currently.

[@damianrogowski5519]

What does copium mean

[@dracompb966]

The mulchummy shuffle effect conflicts with maxx c anyway, so using both at once is worse than just activating maxx c

[@colossaldonut5190]

Maxx C hasn't been banned since its release in OCG, surely they'll ban it this time.

[@cuttlefish6839]

I feel bad for those poor idiots since Maxx c was a tcg exclusive

[@kamenlobster]

​@@cuttlefish6839Bro we have to deal with it too in md

[@fugax_vulpes1797]

​@cuttlefish6839 so you're telling me tcg konami made a card just for the ocg to suffer

[@Kekto934]

I'm here after the banlist, jackshit does nothing

[@geiseric222]

I don’t get why people thinking a bad version of a good card will get the good version banned? Like Yu gi oh loves printing bad versions of good cards it’s never led to the good card getting banned

[@admontblanc]

I've said this a lot already, but my prediction is that Multchummy was made because they are going to create more decks like Floo that are immune to Maxx C, and this is a way for casuals to counter those decks, just like they keep Maxx C at 3 in the OCG. OCG players love casual piles of garbage, some years ago OCG semi-limited Maxx C and the blowback was so hard that it took only the very next list for them to put it back to 3. On the brighter side, Maxx C is perhaps the only TCG exclusive that is way better than anything Japan ever made.

[@r3zaful]

​@@admontblancagain, baseless claim as usual. Ash was the one that got semi limit for 8 months not maxx c

[@ryuuohdeltaplus7936]

​@@r3zafulmaxx C got semi-limited once in the OCG during SPYRAL format(2017) for only one banlist cycle. And OCG players did react to it VERY poorly that it went back to 3 and never touched again.

[@shakeweller]

Elf is good, but I dont see it damaging the health of the game tbh. UNLESS: there is a broken combo with it. Which there us not rn. Resummoning formula synchron is fair so is resummoning sp/ip

[@amr3731]

Resummoning SP is tolerable, IP depends on what mons comes after that but formula synchron twice on ur turn is just too much. Someone do it on me in MD with snake eyes and thank god they can't do synchro line consistently like that.

[@chewdoom8415]

Resummoning anything good that is not spright is a no.

[@admontblanc]

@@amr3731 if MD follows the TCG on Baronne ban then it's fine tbh. Not many synchros causing trouble aside from that, and the Crimson Dragon is more of a bs card, but that has thankfully been more or less addressed with the Calamities ban.

[@arielblitz7167]

We dont need cards like maxx c to fix yugioh

[@mrharvy100]

Surely if we keep saying X card will be banned it will eventually right…?

[@randombadchannel8700]

I mean it kinda worked with mystic mine

[@queenbrightwingthe3890]

It helped with Rhongo.

[@admontblanc]

@@randombadchannel8700 big difference is that those cards don't let you play, with Maxx C it's optional, you can not play, but nothing is really preventing you from playing. That flexibility is preferable to something that is downright unfair.

[@spicymemes7458]

​@@randombadchannel8700 Do you really think Konami can be bullied by guys who can't even shower? Why is it people say this only about a card being banned, but not about product distribution or tournament policy? Sounds like people want to feel like they have a say in how Konami runs the business, even though that same company has no communication with them to otherwise validate it.

[@CronaWings]

Doesnt matter how good someone is whether your a DB warrior, locals slayer or a worlds winner if you think maxx c should be banned you have a massive skill issue.

[@nuclearcrayons3511]

The day Maxx C is ban in all formats is the day I go back to the gym aka NEVER

[@Zero001]

I am honestly very curious about Multchummy. While it will definetly make some things rather annoying such as drawing the handtrap that the opponent needs because you decided to overextend. I am 100% sure that the shuffle part of the effect will balance out everything. Of course since the shuffled cards are random you will never know what the outcome will be, you might start with a perfect hand, use Chummy and completely ruin it, end up with something decent or get a god hand. Of course some decks might not care as long as they have acces to one card combos or whatever gets their engine running.

[@admontblanc]

I'm more curious about how viable it will be to deck your opponent out if they dare activate both Multchummy and Maxx C on the same turn. Granted only some summons will net 2 draws, but it's still gonna be funny to see how it works.

[@kimjung-un8204]

Hating on maxx c seems like a personality trait at this point

[@spicymemes7458]

It's low effort content for streamers, which I would think Josh wouldn't have to do this, but that's money on the tablem

[@auenboy4571]

I’m on the only ban the bug if they ban ash blossom too. Then down the line start banning the generic good hand traps that hit multiple type of effects. Aka most of the ghost girls

[@spicymemes7458]

I'd be fine with that. Ash does a hell of a lot more than just a counter to Maxx C.

[@LeFrenchyestFry]

Id much rather they focus on killing maxx C over elf

[@PandaHero-yi8pq]

OCG will ban Maxx C and TCG players will still think they are better human being than OCG player anyways, so I hope they'll never ban maxx C just to piss TCG players

[@spicymemes7458]

TCG players have that superiority complex because it deludes them into thinking they have some power in the direction of the game, when they are routinely ignored ans disregarded by Japan.

[@egggge4752]

Americans. I swear.

[@otangakudyokeman7124]

I actually disagree with you concerning the card design ? even without maxx"c" konami will still print crazy decks, legit, if they printed fair decks, with maxx"c", i think no one would be complaining about the bug ? but me saying so, is referring to the xyz era where maxx"c" existed, yet no one complained, because the game was still slow. what maxx"c" restricts tho, cards like poplar funny enough, like poplar says "except by drawing it" which a direct reference to the C and MANY cards that got repreinted in the recent years have that clause funny enough. with the C banned, they will probably bring that up again xc as for SHS, I honestly think they made it THAT broken is because they can't play S/Ts .... look at melodius! they got the SAME EXACT treatment and they can use ST! so yeah ...

[@Pincsi01]

What if it's entirely the other way around? Instead of intending to ban maxx c, they're giving a maxx c-lite to the tcg so tcg can become more like ocg, so then they can unban maxx c too as the next step

[@admontblanc]

I think you're on to something, but that actually they might be preparing new decks like Floo and this is a card that would do to such decks what Maxx C does to regular combo decks.

[@user1raf]

No, keep md and tcg lists separate, i like having shs scarecrow in the format.

[@Ragnarok540]

I will stop complaining about Maxx C as soon as one of these things happens: 1. Yu-Gi-Oh implodes. 2. Maxx C gets banned.

[@Reapehify]

I would rather see Yu-Gi-Oh implode.

[@brittt2421]

OCG Banlist is regularly (from April 2023) announced in the last Sunday before a new format, fyi

[@Jacktherippa84]

That one OCG player who voiced their concerns back in March/April about the people in charge of Yugioh being out of touch is about to ring very true. So many people shat on that commenter not realizing the colossal fumbles the OCG makes with their ban lists. Josh not wanting the OCG people to make up ban lists for the entire world in a hypothetical unified format is very justified.

[@daniellucas921]

Tcg unban maxc to be a good format.

[@some2043]

look at this man and laugh ,if anything malchumy would be banned in the tcg once we return to more handplay

[@NoNameOrLife]

multchummy is completely useless tbh only counts special summon FROM HAND useless

[@DK-rq8co]

No. It‘s balanced. That’s not Maxx C.

[@NoNameOrLife]

@@DK-rq8co not arguing for max c but that meltchummy doesn't do crap against literally 90% of decks

[@safanmalik7978]

Either super based or omega cringe

[@alicepbg2042]

if they just ban maxx C... ocg is gonna be a blood bath for a bit until the next banlist

[@rodeofrancisco6130]

The time for maxx c to get banned is overdue. No one likes roaches

[@NovaEmpyrean]

I wouldn't be surprised if they put Maxx C to 2, that would be such an OCG move

[@yurazah]

It would be so cool if they merged the tcg/ocg, if we could import japanese cards it would fix so many priceing issues

[@MiguelMartinon]

No it wouldn’t. OCG cards are cheap because TCG players can’t get it as the YEN is down. Once that happens, TCG product dies or OCG product becomes super expensive. The reason TCG product is expensive is because of supply and demand as well as Americans (not all of them) who have more disposable income than a lot of other countries.

[@r3zaful]

​@@MiguelMartinonthat is a cap sir, "disposable income" Lets take a look at genshin impact since we have a data on it Japan 40% china 50% and us is 10% less combined with other region, lets say we already have a data that genshin made 22m last year on Indonesian market which is like 2% of genshin revenue last year . So you see there that people are more willing to spend on their hobby harder than US and europe, in europe anime culture is very discouraged while in indo people are WILLING TO SPEND 4K USD ON VALMONICA MAX RARITY ALL, because they like the deck.

[@r3zaful]

​@@MiguelMartinonthe local casual structure in ocg is more clear than tcg, the anime culture is ten times stronger and the reason why weiss and one piece is growing strong while mtg and flesh & blood can only aim to westraboo in general.

[@cuttlefish6839]

​@@MiguelMartinonits also up because people want to turn a game into some sort of investment.

[@MiguelMartinon]

@@cuttlefish6839 and it’s mostly Americans and Canadian’s doing that.

[@ryuuohdeltaplus7936]

Why are you TCG players so concerned about Maxx C in the OCG when you don't even play in that format in the first place? You already have your "superior" format that you already play in, why are you forcing the OCG to become the TCG?

[@hamster6216]

well you have to tell directly to japanese community that doesn't understand english at all if you want to complain about maxx c, we SEA andy doesn't even have voices to said about that and just have to deal with it 😂

[@spicymemes7458]

Japanese people speak English as a second language. Are you kidding me right now.

[@hamster6216]

@@spicymemes7458 if you said so it means they at least aware that they knew we have been ranting about this for over years but guess what? nothing happened 😂

[@spicymemes7458]

@@hamster6216 There's OCG players here who understand exactly what TCG players are saying. I promise lol

[@steelblake]

I think this ain't happening because beyond the fact that Mulchumie is not a Maxx "C" replacement, the card has not showed the desire results. It's not even in side decks

[@thereaper5171]

at this point its ridiculous to ban maxx c the new max c is dogshet it doesnt stop any deck except flunder in fiendsmith format u need all help necessary to beat this stupid engine SO just erata maxx c to be usable when u have 0 cards on the field

[@randommaster06]

Maxx C should get more unbanned. Let people play with eleven copies. Remove the OPT restriction, too, so you can play through hand traps. In fact, ban any hand trap that interacts negatively with my Maxx Cs. Let me activate Maxx C directly from my Extra and Side Deck. Let me Maxx C people in other matches. If the OCG wants people to play with Maxx c, let them REALLY play with Maxx C.

[@Reapehify]

Why would you Max C other players? Salty.

[@randommaster06]

@@Reapehify Using Maxx C on another match would be hilarious. Now you can anger twice as many people with one Maxx C.

[@Reapehify]

@@randommaster06 I wish I could send Maxx C to Yugitubers in the mail with an IOU that requires them to get Maxx C'd turn 1 every time they play competitive for the rest of the year. It would be worth it.

[@JuanGonzalezZzZzZz...]

Maxx C is the most cool and needed card in the history of the game and the most influential card in the history of all tcgs. Its sheer existence makes people to thing how to deckbuilt with many plans B C and so on. Also Josh is right. Since cards are made in ocg with maxx in mind, we should have maxx too. Otherwise the ban of Maxx is only understood as a mode of rarity warp combo decks tcgland. Which is insulting

[@mcmisterhd1920]

Yeah, its honestly crazy how people complain about maxx C when it keeps combo decks like SHS, spright, Centur-Ion, snake eye etc in check and allow control decks other than labrynth to shine. Wait none of that happened? Whoopsie

[@admontblanc]

@@mcmisterhd1920 because idiots see and remember only that one game where the combo deck also playing Maxx C winning against them after using Maxx C (the fact that going 2nd vs SHS is already an L by default doesn't enter their feeble minds). The most baffling about this is seeing players like Kotton, Schmidt and basically the majority of people with the most tops in TCG events towing this same retarded line. I get casuals being swayed by "expert" opinions, what I don't get is the people always bringing up mathematics buying into this stupidity when all stats point towards Maxx C helping going 2nd players way more than it does going first players.

[@santiagoruiz3244]

Yeah, you are right, it is so cool when your opponent makes a full board of negates going first and in your draw phase they throw Maxx C right in your face. That is such a good card design

[@admontblanc]

@@santiagoruiz3244 because you only lose those games if they drop maxx c on you right? Gtfo.

[@spicymemes7458]

I'll keep Maxx C banned if it means generic omnis like Baronne and Savage stay banned too. I'll take that deal right now. Everyone gets something they want.

[@arrownoir]

Ban Maxx C then also ban every 1 card combo.

[@whatthe6871]

Oh Josh you poor naive child....

[@hoshi314]

my expectations : 1. Beatrice Banned 2. Horus engine will get a semi limit slap 3. Snake Eyes Ash limited Maxx C is at least going to be semi limited at best, the tactical try decks ensure it will not be banned NOR limited in any shape or form. Do not expect a TCG level of massacre banlist like what happened with Baronne and Savage, as the OCG are kind if still feeling the sting of MR4 release which is why they took the incremental approach that instead of killing a deck immediately, they will do it piecemeal via consistency hits unless it's a plugged in engine package like DPE, Brave token, Diabellestar, and very recently : Fiendsmith (i usually call it the Will Smith package).

[@spicymemes7458]

This is a cult

[@colorfulmoth]

They are gonna limit maxx C, then limit maxx C in the TCG when Multchummy releases

[@jcw034]

What i don't get....is if people are so concerned with ban list doing things a certain way...why not get a bunch of people together to play test certain scenarios of a ban list to validate the theory of it. If we think SE Poplar is the issue play test it versus other decks with various limits and bans self imposed to see how it perfoms to see if its worth it or how it hurts the deck. Same with Maxx C and then New card. Sometimes we should probably just have extensice community test and present that to Konami saying "this is better for our game" instead of relying on them to have to get it right all the time.

[@Vermeillon]

I am a roach enjoyer 😊

[@spicymemes7458]

I don't enjoy it, just doesn't bother me anymore.

[@TheDocperian]

All the people who make the "They want Maxx C in the game so there's no point in complaining" argument needs to listen to that Ordinary Sausage rant MBT posted. Have you considered that it's not that we're complaining too much, but that you're not complaining enough? Sit back and do nothing, that's definitely gonna inspire change.

[@ryuuohdeltaplus7936]

And who are the ones complaining the loudest? It's TCG players,who has Maxx C already banned in their format. Why would Konami of Japan listen to the complaints of Westerners who doesn't even play the OCG in the first place?

[@TheDocperian]

@@ryuuohdeltaplus7936 Well, I'm mainly referring to Master Duel, and also Josh has explained himself that many OCG players also want the bug banned.