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Joshua Schmidt

Joshua Schmidt

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@Komodo513
@Komodo513 3 ай бұрын
Yugioh Championship Snake Eye
@Mrryn
@Mrryn 3 ай бұрын
People just don't get that YCS actually stands for "Yay, Cool Snakes"
@raymoo8504
@raymoo8504 3 ай бұрын
@@Mrryn Yuck, Cringe Snakes
@pkkiller_apathy4568
@pkkiller_apathy4568 3 ай бұрын
I hate being one of the 10 reptile players who watched this. The best snake deck ever isn't a reptile deck at all.
@Mrryn
@Mrryn 3 ай бұрын
@@pkkiller_apathy4568 It is sad. Konami is working on an errata for it for clarification though, to change to "Yay, Competitive Snakes"
@TriPhan-p6l
@TriPhan-p6l 3 ай бұрын
Joshua's Runick can not win so he said that.
@ddynamite3835
@ddynamite3835 3 ай бұрын
normally i hate the "we need an emergency ban list" talk, this may be one of the few times where an emergency ban list is needed
@mickjaegar2379
@mickjaegar2379 3 ай бұрын
i dunno if i'd be surprised if they let full power snake-eye go to worlds, but i'd definitely be disappointed
@ddynamite3835
@ddynamite3835 3 ай бұрын
@@mickjaegar2379 thats impossible, snake eye has been hit in the OCG
@Oloistogamersloungeeistepisogl
@Oloistogamersloungeeistepisogl 3 ай бұрын
Only because you are too noob to deal with a weak deck ?
@ddynamite3835
@ddynamite3835 3 ай бұрын
@@Oloistogamersloungeeistepisogl no, because it's a tier 0 deck that promotes an incredibly unhealthy and unfun format and it took up to 70% of the top 32, took 75% of the top 16 and 87% of top 8
@Oloistogamersloungeeistepisogl
@Oloistogamersloungeeistepisogl 3 ай бұрын
@@ddynamite3835 yea I wish I was there and had the cards I need then you would see that it really sucks the way they play it.
@Abosoria
@Abosoria 3 ай бұрын
But Mr. Konami I don't like diverse formats where I can't prepare for all decks 🥺
@yuuyue6138
@yuuyue6138 3 ай бұрын
Its just tcg player who hate devise meta😂😂
@mudora5156
@mudora5156 3 ай бұрын
don't forget that josh was really excited to brew in a format where there were fewer decks viable.
@Abosoria
@Abosoria 3 ай бұрын
@mudora5156 yeah that's the exact meaning of my comment. I love josh but don't forget that he kinda suggested he wanted more of a tier 0 format than the diversify that it was unchained, rescue-ace, etc, and now he's complaining about SE too
@PyckledNyk
@PyckledNyk 3 ай бұрын
@@AbosoriaYuGiOh players and complaining go together like peas and carrots
@americantimemachine7128
@americantimemachine7128 3 ай бұрын
In smaller tournaments, Snake Eye isn't BOUGHT bc of its insane price. But it takes a bigger event like a YCS with 14 rounds to understand why it is inherently broken. Other decks cannot keep the power and ratio for that long even if SE is still a small percentage of overall representation. CONVERSION rates, people!!!
@VictorFC
@VictorFC 3 ай бұрын
It's really funny how people neglect conversion. It's probably the most important data to analyze.
@lucasalarcon3230
@lucasalarcon3230 3 ай бұрын
Also a lot good playerd don't like the deck and they avoid playing the deck in regionals and locals
@Ragnarok540
@Ragnarok540 3 ай бұрын
You guys need to work on the podcast recording timing. It was very funny to hear you guys coping so hard after the results were known.
@Promin3nce
@Promin3nce 3 ай бұрын
The thing I hate about this format is that you can absolutely get sacked by things outside of your control. What I mean by that is you can make a deck that has 17 hand traps and a higher chance to draw 3 hand traps than to draw 0, but still not draw any hand traps and get sacked by your opponent because of a deck shuffle and not your deck. When it's mandatory to rely on the luck of drawing cards instead of your deck building, that means they messed up big time.
@maverickrx8
@maverickrx8 3 ай бұрын
It's time to bring pot of greed back up to 3.
@mrharvy100
@mrharvy100 3 ай бұрын
You also want to see what else aged like milk? Go back to the video of the TCG banlist where both Josh and 98% of the comments thought it would fix the meta in a positive direction lol
@brandanjablonski2320
@brandanjablonski2320 3 ай бұрын
Seems like people have a VERY short term memory anymore...
@L_O_V_E_L_A_I_N
@L_O_V_E_L_A_I_N 3 ай бұрын
I remember that Josh video that was like "you can play boardbreakers instead of handtraps now". Funny how that goes.
@waskithonugroho3955
@waskithonugroho3955 3 ай бұрын
Yeah hitting omni negate to weaken deck that using Promethean Princess as end board the only matter on that barone savage hit is rogue deck have weaker end board IMO
@Xero-rr2ol
@Xero-rr2ol 3 ай бұрын
@@waskithonugroho3955 most of the good rogue decks didnt even play them.
@waskithonugroho3955
@waskithonugroho3955 3 ай бұрын
@@Xero-rr2ol oh good so now even the ban did nothing lol
@CaliburXL99
@CaliburXL99 3 ай бұрын
Honestly, Baronne & Savage were only hit so that Moloney could sell new “semi-genericish” omni-negates like Varudras & Dragon Master Magia. If we’re being real.
@christianmccall4126
@christianmccall4126 3 ай бұрын
So my personal theory, is that the last banlist kinda cemented this. They chop off the top end of an SE endboard... which didn't matter to SE anyways, they have all the resources to go into the next best thing, and also due to handtraps they usually didn't get that far. So Baronne and Savage are gone. No big deal to SE, but for all the tier 2-3 decks where ending on Baronne was such a huge piece, ending on savage, using linkuribor to dodge... MASSIVE blow to a lot of T2/T3 decks. Basically, the banlist didn't do anything to SE, but significantly widened the power level gap between it and less powerful decks. Which made there be a lot less decks that could put up a fight.
@ryuuohdeltaplus7936
@ryuuohdeltaplus7936 3 ай бұрын
And then people argue that "if your table 500 deck relies on Baronne/Savage/Linkuriboh it doesn't deserve to have it because meta decks will play it better, so this power gap means nothing when the gap is already wide in the first place"
@christianmccall4126
@christianmccall4126 3 ай бұрын
I get it, the frame of mind is like 70% correct. But there's so many decks that are mechanically very solid, they just don't have anything meaningful to end on. Being able to throw one negate onto a board that's just different flavors of interruption is huge tbh. Just being able to backup "ok this one pops, this one if you do this I can special one from deck and that one will shuffle one card on the field back" with a negate to avoid blowouts is a pretty big deal.
@chewdoom8415
@chewdoom8415 3 ай бұрын
I cannot even think of many t2 and even less t3 decks that even rely on synchro summoning like that.
@arrownoir
@arrownoir 3 ай бұрын
Yugioh World Champion finally realizes that hitting the actual cards in the deck is the actual way to rein in the deck than hitting innocent generic extra deck Linkuribohs.
@argentfang
@argentfang 3 ай бұрын
It’s been beaten to death, but I’ll say it again - when your banlist is profit-driven and not balance-driven, your game is trash. Your competitive scene is a joke compared to most other TCGs, and the only think that’s keeping you in is the sunk cost fallacy.
@DeathlyBioShock
@DeathlyBioShock 3 ай бұрын
Always the shit players making these takes
@RandomGuyCDN
@RandomGuyCDN 3 ай бұрын
This is the legit reason why MTG's modern format casually and competitively fell off extremely hard. Banlist used to be used to not have insane winrates and extremely high meta share and then they started printing power crept cards and needing to ban them like YGO has been doing for years. That probably also doesnt help the new player perspective either. Who wants to jump into (non rotational) TCG formats and buy cards at the wrong time and have your deck hit. Thats an instant loss of a customer. and yeah i agree lots of players that play their current card games that are unhappy with the game cant bare the fact that they've spent so much money to keep up with things that they cant leave. All it took for me was a disguised shareholders meeting from WotC in the recent few years to show me what they really were and i had the will power to say screw sunk cost fallacy the company doesnt care about me so I'm hard selling out and playing an affordable card game like pokemon.
@Shadowx157
@Shadowx157 3 ай бұрын
100% agree, some people say Skill Issue.. I don't see 'skill' I see pay-to-win. The top 100 clowns that bought $1,000 Yu-Gi-Oh decks, just to be banned and have card value plummet in 1.5 yrs, repeat. (Where's the skill when it's 'who can draw more handtraps' in the opening hand)
@kataphrut7740
@kataphrut7740 3 ай бұрын
Everyone praised the Baronne and Savage hits, but it’s increasingly obvious they only did that because Snake-Eyes was too profitable to hit directly. It’s like how Master Duel never hits anything while it’s still in the shop.
@abdurachmanromzy4778
@abdurachmanromzy4778 3 ай бұрын
​@@kataphrut7740 at least they tried to hit snake-eyes
@RogueHero
@RogueHero 3 ай бұрын
I had fun playing Yubel at Indy and even made day 2 almost topping. Like josh said winning in this format you have to always win the dice roll and have a ton of hand traps. Josh you should test Yubel , its really fun and its end board rivals the snake eye end board plus there's multiple ways to reach that board.
@ZeroenHawk
@ZeroenHawk 3 ай бұрын
You have any deck profiles or videos bro ??
@RogueHero
@RogueHero 3 ай бұрын
@@ZeroenHawk yea i do , come check em out. I would post links but i don't want to disrespect joshes channels with shameless plugs.
@galaxyvulture6649
@galaxyvulture6649 3 ай бұрын
I swear to god I gotta start watching videos on their lines bc I brushed it aside too much. They got strong boards.
@galaxyboy7060
@galaxyboy7060 3 ай бұрын
At the end of the day even if Snake Eye isn't tier 0 in theory I think it's the type of deck that the best players will gravitate toward to leave as little up to variance as possible, and that's the how we ended up here -- the top 8 of YCS Indy was absolutely STACKED in terms of some of the names up there and it would make sense that those players would've wanted to play Snake Eyes.
@hankmccoy6742
@hankmccoy6742 3 ай бұрын
Konami makes ineffective ban lists. They limited Kashtira riseheart to one...Kash goes on to win nationals. The limit ash to two....Snake eyes is still winning all the ycs events with 80% representation.
@chewdoom8415
@chewdoom8415 3 ай бұрын
Make sure you have your information straight. Ash got semi limited in the ocg where Voiceless voice won their ycs. Here snake eyes was not hit directly.
@verbalengine95
@verbalengine95 3 ай бұрын
If they hit Snake-Eyes and bring back Linkuriboh I'll crop a picture of Linkuriboh onto a picture of Dominik Mysterio after his 1 day in prison
@DaShikuXI
@DaShikuXI 3 ай бұрын
Things are never going to change though when it comes to ban lists, because it's all about money. No reason to hit Snake-Eye until the next money maker is lined up to take over. Considering Fiendsmith is buffing Snake-Eye soon, it's going to be around for a long time. I also fully expect them to hit other decks as well, just to make Snake-Eye even more dominant.
@everis2535
@everis2535 3 ай бұрын
That site need to show the distribution of the whole pool as well. It's probably not interesting for whatever deck is top tier/ tier 0, but it would be nice to know if hundreds of tenpai players showed up and then didn't make top cut, vs if only 2-3 showed up.
@FelipeVerdugodaSilva
@FelipeVerdugodaSilva 3 ай бұрын
I am an old YGO player, started in 2002. I felt sad when YGO started getting tier 0 decks after tier 0 decks every set, and a lot of yugioh youtubers started coping saying it wasn't bad. I jumped the boat way back when the FUCKING Dragon Rulers started. It was extremely miserable time to anyone not playing DR, ask to those who were around. And Konami never learns, it happened many times again, and it will continue to happen.
@Cybertech134
@Cybertech134 3 ай бұрын
Same situation, though I notice card design starting to become an issue with Dino Rabbit.
@FelipeVerdugodaSilva
@FelipeVerdugodaSilva 3 ай бұрын
@@Cybertech134 And the game went through the shitter completely when basically anything in your monster zone became a link monster. Anything. The game will change, but to adapt itself to more and more absurd, ridiculous, and complete non-interactive mechanics in the future, not for the better. Thankfully older cards and custom formats can solve most of this.
@RogueHero
@RogueHero 3 ай бұрын
Yugiboomer here , started in 2002 as well and yea dragonruler format as well as pepe and even Tearlaments have been shi* shows. I had plenty of homies quit around D ruler format, i personally think the game was in a happy place during the +1 firefist and hat formats.
@MrDanno
@MrDanno 3 ай бұрын
I think it’s less of them not knowing what to do, but more so not caring to find an alternative. Tears, Kash, Snake Eye, they were all super oppressive metas (that I saw, at least, more recent player) and they were essentially back to back. High powered decks sell sets, from a business perspective, why not continue to sell what’s been making a lot of money?
@FelipeVerdugodaSilva
@FelipeVerdugodaSilva 3 ай бұрын
@@MrDanno Like you said, from a business perspective. They do not care for a healthy state of the game. Konami is the same company who earns millions with Pachinko machines, let's not forget that.
@time2start812
@time2start812 3 ай бұрын
TCG players and banlists are always jokes
@time2start812
@time2start812 3 ай бұрын
And those youtubers thought last TCG banlist was good are also jokes LUL
@lucasalarcon3230
@lucasalarcon3230 3 ай бұрын
​@@time2start812 they finally start to admit that end boards are kinda irrelevant in the era 15+ not engine and one cards combos the different between a endboard with omnis and one without omnis is like 3% win rate
@xCorvus7x
@xCorvus7x 3 ай бұрын
I like how the image sections on the pie chart are arranged not so that the diagram starts at twelve o'clock but so that the picture of Snake-Eye Ash we get is the most complete and depicts it towering over the rest of the meta.
@Hanvri
@Hanvri 3 ай бұрын
I said this when barrone and savage got banned it lowered the power of other decks but barely changed snake-eyes power level.
@Pantagana9000
@Pantagana9000 3 ай бұрын
It also killed the chance of other decks that used those cards to beat snake eyes! Win - win for konami
@Dwerynith
@Dwerynith 3 ай бұрын
I mean, among all the 1 card combo decks with 15 hand traps, snake-eyes has : * the best starter count * the best extender count * the best free spot count * the lowest engine requirements * the best 1 & 2 card combos end boards * the best recursion
@ThePaulodash
@ThePaulodash 3 ай бұрын
I think lowest engine require is tenpai.
@GodzillaFreak
@GodzillaFreak 3 ай бұрын
Nah nah scareclaw mogs
@Salvo_117
@Salvo_117 3 ай бұрын
No we don’t “need” a banlist now. We just needed an actual banlist months ago. Would’ve also helped if snake-eyes was never be printed, bought and/or played.
@bobby45825
@bobby45825 3 ай бұрын
SIR! THINK OF THE POOR CEO! HE NEEDS TO MAKE SALES TO GET MORE YACHTS!
@Christophersaurus
@Christophersaurus 3 ай бұрын
You would have had something else in its place brother. The grass is always greener when we don’t know what color it could have been.
@bobby45825
@bobby45825 3 ай бұрын
@@Christophersaurus That's always true, but would it be so highly over represented like snake-eyes? Most people don't deny the reality that a tier 1 deck will always exist, but does the power gap between it and the next best deck NEED to be so noticeable? This falls on Konami. They're not retarded. They know exactly what they're printing and pushing out. They know what will dominate and be everywhere on camera.
@METAK188
@METAK188 3 ай бұрын
It happened before and it will happen again. Kamoney 💰💸🤑
@KitsuneHimeR
@KitsuneHimeR 3 ай бұрын
@@bobby45825 Poor CEP also could've whored himself out at the street corner for more Yacht money. lol.
@eddysegafan6655
@eddysegafan6655 3 ай бұрын
😴💤 more like snooze-eyes
@torakandwolf6786
@torakandwolf6786 3 ай бұрын
Only caring about casual, rogue decks and just playing the game in blissful ignorance to the meta is such a blessing. The same reason why duel logs is my fave yugituber. Just does not give a damn about meta and plays whatever jank he feels like.
@KaiPianoMaster
@KaiPianoMaster 3 ай бұрын
At my local ots everybody play Snake eyes Variant or other meta relevant deck
@n3kuzya
@n3kuzya 3 ай бұрын
"meta" is not the problem. A single deck is.
@Koel_Hellion
@Koel_Hellion 3 ай бұрын
Definitely man, i have fun with my exosisters win or lose and funniest shit is when i win games cause people dont know what the fuck they do lol
@Koel_Hellion
@Koel_Hellion 3 ай бұрын
​@@KaiPianoMasterouch
@jamesnesbitt2941
@jamesnesbitt2941 3 ай бұрын
@@n3kuzyanah since POTE it’s been one tier zero deck after another. If snake eyes gets hit and we end up with yet another tier zero deck meta is the problem.
@VelvetCrowe734
@VelvetCrowe734 3 ай бұрын
Honestly, some people will never change. (No offense) Do you still think after all these years yugioh has on its shoulder , that a ban list will save the game or the meta? We are gonna complain about the next op thing that will get released and then we are back to square one just like always. If we want Konami to change their ways there is only one solution and that is never buy any of their products.
@wall6587
@wall6587 3 ай бұрын
This ^ I wish more people realized this.
@reaper_exd7498
@reaper_exd7498 3 ай бұрын
People will always complain. That being said, snake eyes needs to be banned into the ground. It does the exact same thing all the banned cards i want but with some extra unblockable steps. Omi negates and room for handtraps.
@wren5413
@wren5413 3 ай бұрын
You know a format is rough when the most interesting deck in a ycs top cut is an ftk
@henriquebecker4453
@henriquebecker4453 3 ай бұрын
The madman finally did it. Paulo have been depressed while ago because of bad luck on mach ups on numerous YCS, but he finally did it, he managed to win using the deck variation he likes the most.
@ThisGuyTV
@ThisGuyTV 3 ай бұрын
Remember dragon rulers??? They only had 1 season, were just as prominent as snake eyes and got an emergency ban. Snakes have been around for 2 seasons now and still not banned WTF KOMONEY
@andrejv.2834
@andrejv.2834 3 ай бұрын
The dragon rulers were meta for like 1.5 years
@ThisGuyTV
@ThisGuyTV 3 ай бұрын
@@andrejv.2834 ahh I only remember it being popular for like 6 months or so
@jtalkalot19
@jtalkalot19 3 ай бұрын
It’s funny looking at the ycs vs nationals top cuts. I thought ycs and nationals would be more similar to each other because of the type of competition you’d expect to see. But nationals been looking more like regionals. Anyone have an explanation on why?
@stubbornpotatogaming6220
@stubbornpotatogaming6220 3 ай бұрын
That is why we need consistency hits for the next banlist
@nomoregiorgio731
@nomoregiorgio731 3 ай бұрын
we're stuck here for another 3-4 months
@reisen9584
@reisen9584 3 ай бұрын
listen guys. I just realize. Unlike tear 0. This is the kind of deck that really really strong but with literally just 1 hit, the deck become dead dead deck. Either flamberge or poplar make the deck unplayable. And this is how konami makes money the most. Where for example pote format, (including bird), the deck can function really well with the ban of their core cards
@gabrielcarvalho-pr5bs
@gabrielcarvalho-pr5bs 3 ай бұрын
Paulo is still the GOAT tho. FALA GALERA 🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷
@alessandrobotti8981
@alessandrobotti8981 3 ай бұрын
BRAZIL🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️
@Mpt9000
@Mpt9000 3 ай бұрын
"The formats fine" looking at an over 60% dominated archetype steamroll everything
@雷鳗鱼
@雷鳗鱼 3 ай бұрын
as i said tcg banlist is more of a joke than semi SP, tcg not even semi both ash and wanted, toning down 1-5% is still doing something seem like tenpai is only strong when c is in the game, that force opponent to "stop comboing" so they could otk comfortably while plying HT game SE is 600-700USD for TCG? for the cost of no maxx c? my low rarities ocg SE fiendsmith is under 300USD, not counting fiendsmith, pure SE is only around 240USD+
@3Mysterion
@3Mysterion 3 ай бұрын
It's so sad that Yugioh has degenerated into a complicated solitaire game where you prevent your opponent from playing the game instead of actually playing against each other. It has no longer to do anything with an interactive card game. Instead, it turned into a combo based meta where each action is answered with a hand trap. This game has nothing to do with fun anymore players got toxic towards each other, the game lost its origin and it seems like Yugioh forgot why it had become so popular.
@Helios_TCG
@Helios_TCG 3 ай бұрын
So, which runick pile are u going to use to top nats? ^^
@Luminousplayer
@Luminousplayer 3 ай бұрын
There wont be a banlist for snake eyes until we get a tin that reprints snake eye lol
@Vrory77
@Vrory77 3 ай бұрын
Its a fucking 1 card combo. It doesn't matter how you wanna hit the deck if you don't run HTs to interrupt early on even if they are all at 1 it will be still a 1 card combo. And that is the main issue this modern yugioh has.
@Kolobochok95
@Kolobochok95 3 ай бұрын
It's a problem for sure. Snakeyes needs some bans like Poplar, the boss monster or the sinful spoils spells.
@andrewpaller4050
@andrewpaller4050 3 ай бұрын
What might a temporary Princess ban do? Then in a couple seasons they switch her with flamberg or something more specific to the engine...
@Sternenherz127
@Sternenherz127 3 ай бұрын
Almost like Konami doesn't playtest their Products in beforehand. Just as WOTC those delusional Hypocrites.
@iewad8761
@iewad8761 3 ай бұрын
It as if NA is playing on a different banlist than EU
@frankunodostres473
@frankunodostres473 3 ай бұрын
*laughs in ash ots umr and mega tin reprints* You're in for a long ride boys😂
@christianflora2316
@christianflora2316 3 ай бұрын
Wouldn't put too much stake in that argument when Tear got massacred on the list after Reino got an ulti. Just means they won't ban Ash
@frankunodostres473
@frankunodostres473 3 ай бұрын
@@christianflora2316 which is good because: 1. Ash is cheap. Them going after a more expensive card would be nice. 2. Consistency hits suck. Ash is a starter, not the problem
@francescolofaro8258
@francescolofaro8258 3 ай бұрын
@@frankunodostres473 actually, in this case ash is a problem, but it should go to 0 to actually matter.
@frankunodostres473
@frankunodostres473 3 ай бұрын
@@francescolofaro8258 it's just a starter... if any card deserves to be banned it's populus. That card does too much at once
@d.e.g.e.3061
@d.e.g.e.3061 3 ай бұрын
​@@frankunodostres473Ash has a 2nd effect that matters a lot, it isn't just a consistency hit.
@kirishatsu222
@kirishatsu222 3 ай бұрын
So basically YuGiOh is Snake Eye now. Other cards and archetype are insignificant.
@roguewarrior8187
@roguewarrior8187 3 ай бұрын
how on earth can you use golden lord every turn?
@crack.d
@crack.d 3 ай бұрын
Melodious tenpai for German nats 👀 idk if it’s possible I was also thinking of trying a melodious bystial lightsworn deck 👀
@CrimsonDemon311
@CrimsonDemon311 3 ай бұрын
Starting from tommorow we will see a logo of fire king beside snake eye ash lol
@aexionmusic
@aexionmusic 3 ай бұрын
All copy pasta deck with just different hand traps 💀
@TeamOlympusTCG
@TeamOlympusTCG 3 ай бұрын
this is the handtrap format
@erichalbert415
@erichalbert415 3 ай бұрын
Banned „ original sinful spoils -snake -eye Limited „ snake- eyes poplar"
@ZeratoDuong
@ZeratoDuong 3 ай бұрын
Do you think konami’s intention with Snake-Eyes is to unite TCG, OCG and Master Duel to the same format? This way MD players can transist more easily from MD into either TCG and OCG because they are equipped with knowledge about Snake-Eyes. One major problem of the game was MD player can hardly do that, and this is one way for them to solve that issue maybe?
@theholy1191
@theholy1191 3 ай бұрын
If that was the intention then they failed miserably.
@SuprapolyJohnny
@SuprapolyJohnny 3 ай бұрын
Banning fire block dragon would be the best bet for not killing the engine, but balancing it out.
@galaxyvulture6649
@galaxyvulture6649 3 ай бұрын
Even though snake eyes has a lot of horrible things about it to me the worst thing snake eyes did was make the game boring and less variety. You'll only see the same deck over and over with the same exact lines. We have so many amazing decks out rn, but no one wants to even bother with it since snake eyes does basically everything and even the weak points are positive. Not even that long ago we had a nice format where tons of different decks could shine and now it just feels like people are being priced out for the same boring match. I don't even hate snake eyes that much, but it still is disgusting people have to fork over 1k and then only play one deck.
@marleyjones870
@marleyjones870 3 ай бұрын
I like a format where there's like 3 - 4 decks that are dominant
@Agent_Eli
@Agent_Eli 3 ай бұрын
You know how ROTA is at one because otherwise it’d be too powerful? Really makes you think
@stuckmeister7750
@stuckmeister7750 3 ай бұрын
You can beat snake eyes with voiceless josh if you are looking for something different. It's also not a 1 card combo deck
@starboyjedi13
@starboyjedi13 3 ай бұрын
Why doesn't Konami just make ban-lists for the TCG at the same pace as Master Duel? I mean Master Duel gets a ban-list every month whilst the TCG is 2-3 months? I don't get it.😐
@Amazonessamy
@Amazonessamy 3 ай бұрын
And still the master duel banlist is terribly bad compared to the TCG banlist.
@RhexGomez
@RhexGomez 3 ай бұрын
Probably because people spend money to get the cardboard cards. On MD, you can just craft them.
@starboyjedi13
@starboyjedi13 3 ай бұрын
@@Amazonessamy true but what I like about Master Duel ban-lists is that they tend to hit powerful decks with much more frequency as compared to the TCG. The recent Snake-Eyes hit are a good example of that. And I admit that generic boss monsters are still a major problem in Master Duel but that's a topic for another day.
@starboyjedi13
@starboyjedi13 3 ай бұрын
@@RhexGomez that's a valid point actually 👀
@RandomGuyCDN
@RandomGuyCDN 3 ай бұрын
Value of MD cards dont change. Value of real cardboard does when banlists hit.
@LunaticKD1991
@LunaticKD1991 3 ай бұрын
Relax. You'll get one eventually. Only for Konami to release the next broken cards that will dominate these tournaments. Konami will milk you cattle dry for as long as you continue to buy the product and keep this endless cycle going. 🤷
@RuggedRing
@RuggedRing 3 ай бұрын
Linkuriboh did nothing wrong
@mrharvy100
@mrharvy100 3 ай бұрын
Most waste of a ban slot ever and seeing the people defend it in the TCG banlist reveal video is even more disgusting. That hit could have went to something actually useful to regulate SE
@starjadiancloneinvestigato1772
@starjadiancloneinvestigato1772 3 ай бұрын
The worst thing about the linkuriboh ban is that it was actually a good hit to the deck. This only speaks to how strong snake eyes was before the banlist
@The_Story_Of_Us
@The_Story_Of_Us 3 ай бұрын
Man it's gonna be fun when Konami doesn't hit this archetype at all, they just delete all extra deck monsters in the game so they have nothing but engine and zero end board. No win for Snek, no win for anyone. But seriously, Ash to 1 and WANTED to 1. That should solve the problem without making the deck unplayable.
3 ай бұрын
After a "good" banlist, the fomat is worse. WHY?
@mobius324
@mobius324 3 ай бұрын
What? a labrynth in top 8? Big welcome to 0 now
@rizreighnand6471
@rizreighnand6471 3 ай бұрын
wait until fiendsmith gets released in tcg. the same SE board but with extra caesar on board trollDespair
@CrystronHalq
@CrystronHalq 3 ай бұрын
That big poplar adds so much depth to the strategy, its not even funny.
@Keizrel
@Keizrel 3 ай бұрын
How is possible that Wanted, Diabell, Ash and Poplar are all at 3 copies… bruh, it’s obvious that without the generic negates of Baronne and Borreload the deck is op. Is Konami stupid?
@N12015
@N12015 3 ай бұрын
What are you saying? Didn't you said that tier 0 formats were good for the game?
@luzortiz4962
@luzortiz4962 3 ай бұрын
The problem is Konami. Konami needs release like 4 tier 0 a the same time because for more they banned the hole deck another one is next and next and next that's why we need 3 tier 0 a the same time.
@GG_Nowa
@GG_Nowa 3 ай бұрын
That would be tier 1 decks then. Tier 0 is when one deck eats 65% of top rep
@johnlewandoski1645
@johnlewandoski1645 3 ай бұрын
I mean do they open tear up to balance snake eyes?
@zerochill4096
@zerochill4096 3 ай бұрын
Isn't one of the best options to ban I:P Masquerena because she's just so pivotal in a lot of what makes Snake-Eyes not fun to play against as well as a majority of their disruption power? Idk, it feels like Snake-Eye wouldn't be nearly as good if I:P was banned as well since they would lose almost all their disruptive ability and be easier to manage Going Second
@Frzy_Jeisif
@Frzy_Jeisif 3 ай бұрын
Should I get snake eyes or not because it gets banned soon?
@Noremak_Notrap
@Noremak_Notrap 3 ай бұрын
if you want to be part of the problem and receive hate while playing go for it.
@kotado6414
@kotado6414 3 ай бұрын
When is the next banned list dropped?
@nharviala
@nharviala 3 ай бұрын
I wish they would just ban Flamberge, and see what the deck does from there. Let it keep its consistency and power plays, just remove the Block Dragon that's also 6 bodies in one and removal/set-up.
@Tidalx3
@Tidalx3 3 ай бұрын
24 non-engine cards in Polos deck o.o
@walkingtall1821
@walkingtall1821 3 ай бұрын
To be fair. I watched it but skipped snake eye mirror other than finals.
@elfyar5786
@elfyar5786 3 ай бұрын
my problem with this format is unlike tear format the deck has no cheap variation. while perlereino could be replaced by foolish goods und more sullieks for a local level snake eyes is just expensive no matter how you play it
@ij4218
@ij4218 3 ай бұрын
snake-eye itself is cheap. wanted, diab, and bonfire are your big hitters
@unaffectedbycardeffects9152
@unaffectedbycardeffects9152 3 ай бұрын
@@ij4218 but those are very important for the decks consistency
@ebrake.5889
@ebrake.5889 3 ай бұрын
Play lab for your nationals
@kruemel-kun
@kruemel-kun 3 ай бұрын
Just bann all handtraps (or put them on 1) \o/
@gorsedh
@gorsedh 3 ай бұрын
look on limitless tcg the bologna top for pokemon tcg, like 9 unique decks in top 10. Man i wish konami managed this game a little lit better
@andrejv.2834
@andrejv.2834 3 ай бұрын
We had plenty of decks top ycs indy too, it's just that most had 1/32
@gorsedh
@gorsedh 3 ай бұрын
@@andrejv.2834 i was watching both coverages live, i can't recall seeing the same matchup during pokemon one. What i remember of the ycs was "another snake mirror? come on!". Also 1/32 is not variety in the top cut, especially when some really good decks are so underrepresented
@andrejv.2834
@andrejv.2834 3 ай бұрын
@@gorsedh yeah ik, I was just trying to make a dumb funny comment by pointing out how, technically, there was some "variety"
@gorsedh
@gorsedh 3 ай бұрын
@@andrejv.2834 yeah sorry i did not pick it up lmao
@Vyncell
@Vyncell 3 ай бұрын
TCG was funny. Why they banned barronne & savage while the main problem is snake eyes? Better to ban poplar😅
@amw6438
@amw6438 3 ай бұрын
Baron & savage banned Snake eyes dont care bout it. linkuriboh banned bit hurt but replaceable. I've seen tcg banlist for long time and only few of them are hit on the spot
@alexkottke7694
@alexkottke7694 3 ай бұрын
The truth no one wants to hear is that Called by needs to come back to 3 -Sincerely, A Despia Player
@randommaster06
@randommaster06 3 ай бұрын
This format's great. It's way more diverse compared to what's being played in 2026.
@SapphicSara
@SapphicSara 3 ай бұрын
Let's ban more Runnick cards to kill stun.
@david_8916
@david_8916 3 ай бұрын
Wdym, just ban the cards that do the stunning
@TheDjdeath45
@TheDjdeath45 3 ай бұрын
Unironically, the runick stun game day 1 was more fun to watch than pretty much all of day 2
@Nelland
@Nelland 3 ай бұрын
I think it was 2 years ago(?) during the adventure pile format, someone said "you know the format is shit when we cheered on the stun player"
@xCorvus7x
@xCorvus7x 3 ай бұрын
This might be different in best-of-three but in Master Duel, Stun seems a bit overhated, to be honest. These strategies cannot OTK and - unless they can clear your board easily and OTK with several floodgate monsters, or Rivalry and TCBOO lock you into your Normal summon which is too weak to matter - playing against such a deck can be a fun challenge.
@AndrewVaillant
@AndrewVaillant 3 ай бұрын
​@@xCorvus7xstun in BO1 just feels horrid to play against. I came to play the game, not cross my fingers that I get to play the game
@xCorvus7x
@xCorvus7x 3 ай бұрын
@@AndrewVaillant But you get to play the game. Floodgates have always been a part of Yu-Gi-Oh.
@AndrewVaillant
@AndrewVaillant 3 ай бұрын
@@xCorvus7x I don't think you read my comment
@rucian_
@rucian_ 3 ай бұрын
I thought this is what pro players wanted? Prepare for 1 deck in the format and avoid diverse formats?
@Test-mq8ih
@Test-mq8ih 3 ай бұрын
So true lol
@N12015
@N12015 3 ай бұрын
Hey, don't generalize, some pros did wanted a format who tested your deckbuilding. *This is what Joshua wanted though.*
@thecrimsonreaper7106
@thecrimsonreaper7106 3 ай бұрын
wtf is wrong with the TCG even master duel hit snake eyes and its been live in MD for the shortest amount of time
@BlueBlast-mw7fr
@BlueBlast-mw7fr 3 ай бұрын
Not much longer than in MD tbf
@BlueBlast-mw7fr
@BlueBlast-mw7fr 3 ай бұрын
To be fair they did fix it in MD
@deatharcana7998
@deatharcana7998 3 ай бұрын
Pro-Players defended Snake-Eyes format, that makes people buy product so Konami just milked the cow. In the Rescue-Ace, Unchained Format every pro-player complained that the game was too diverse, less then 2 month they hit every deck in the format :)
@Seveinis
@Seveinis 3 ай бұрын
The rescue / unchained format diversity got me to go to locals after years of having stopped playing (spyral iblee sent me packing) didn’t last too long before I remembered why I left in the first place with snake eye
@creatureofthegreatswamp1075
@creatureofthegreatswamp1075 3 ай бұрын
MD (in)famously got Poplar before the TCG, and the deck did nothing before Poplar. So the TCG is the format that's had "real" Snake-Eyes for the shortest amount of time.
@naiyar3573
@naiyar3573 3 ай бұрын
Knowing Konami, the absolute best time for their money grubbing hands to drop a banlist would be like at least 1-2 weeks after INFO drops. People buy the product, get Fiendsmith to boost snake eye, then Konami hits snake eye.
@lordofgarbageprogenitoroft4147
@lordofgarbageprogenitoroft4147 3 ай бұрын
Watch as it’s something pepega like se ash or wanted to 1, so you have to buy the fiendsmith cards to make up for the consistency lost by that limit
@josecorrea8839
@josecorrea8839 3 ай бұрын
Next banlist gonna be in agust
@j2c695
@j2c695 3 ай бұрын
Cope and balding
@Numbwill
@Numbwill 3 ай бұрын
@@josecorrea8839 if they do that, there is no point of a banlist until next year
@nharviala
@nharviala 3 ай бұрын
@@lordofgarbageprogenitoroft4147 I mean, Fiendsmith is basically the new Adventure package, you can put it into every deck for a nearly free rank 6 or multiple links, provided you can give up the deck space.
@AllBeganwithBBS
@AllBeganwithBBS 3 ай бұрын
One thing I can't forgive Snake-Eyes for is how unfun they make the game. I despised Ishizu Tearlaments, but at least they were reliant on luck and weak to GY hate, and it was interesting to navigate the games. I was mad against SPYRAL but at least they couldn't reasonably go second all that well so you could always side reasonably against the deck. Zoodiac can kindly screw off as always. The game's just not fun at the moment. Anything short of a Flamberge ban and I won't be happy.
@VictorFC
@VictorFC 3 ай бұрын
Flamberge is an idiotic card. Extends your combos, then can bring back 2 more on your opponent's turn (ash and poplar/oak, that will search/summon more cards).
@KaoruMzk
@KaoruMzk 3 ай бұрын
The people that said the banlist would kill pure Snake-Eyes because they could no longer grind without Linkuriboh or end on the two omni negate synchros must be feeling like clowns now.
@mrstealcar4702
@mrstealcar4702 3 ай бұрын
Snake eyes always relied on the generic link monster interruptions like SP little knight and Princess to set up their board. What makes them so strong was that you had to break their board and go through their hand traps bc they are a 1 card combo deck. In order to make the deck bad you have to limit almost everything about the deck and ban promethean princess which Konami won't do.
@andrejv.2834
@andrejv.2834 3 ай бұрын
Snake eye diabellstar coming out also helped
@legatusleo5116
@legatusleo5116 3 ай бұрын
Imagine defending 3 wanted 3 ash 3 poplar what a bunch of idiots
@feniceazzurra7168
@feniceazzurra7168 3 ай бұрын
​@@mrstealcar4702Promethean princess is a bullshit card. As a meme explanation, you could use a dracosacc to summon any Fire lv3 Monster in the game simply because it exists, and I do not think this is a good game design
@Wyrser
@Wyrser 3 ай бұрын
​@@mrstealcar4702just banning poplar is enough. Going the ocg route with the limits does nothing, Ash is extremely searchable, and Fiendsmith gives the deck 3 more searchers. Consistency hits when Ash can be searched by like 5 different cards that the deck plays, is a joke.
@jakeehwilliams8820
@jakeehwilliams8820 3 ай бұрын
The reason tenpai is big in EU is because snake eyes cost to much for you guys to have no ycs so use the 2nd strongest which is tenpai where it is cheaper but competitive for nationals. If you had more ycs I believe you would see more snake eyes for EU cause it would be worth it
@Something5870
@Something5870 3 ай бұрын
Reason why Snake-eyes isn't seen much at regionals: Most regionals goers are local players, only an handful go from regional to regional, as the prize pool is pitiful and the main reason is to get an invite for nats/get the playmat. Those who can afford to buy a snake-eyes deck also probably already won an invite and the mat before, meaning as the season get towards it's end, we see only the poorer, local players going into regionals and those players can't afford to play Snake-eyes for the most part, they probably can't even afford to go to nats and mostly play regionals to have fun and try to get the mat. Yu-Gi-Oh is extremely expensive to play, even moreso if you plan to play anywhere other than your closest locals/regional. YCS are events that bring every single pro player on that continent because of the way bigger prize pool and live coverage. Those players can easily afford to play Snake-eyes and thus play it, showing how strong it is. Same story with nats, every single nats that happened so far had Snake-Eyes dominate the top cuts. Another thing is that card availability at a regional level tends to be pretty poor, I experienced that firsthand when trying to build my Purrely deck recently where something as "common" as Epurrely Noir was a PAIN to procure, no local shop had S:P, and there was only 1 shop in the whole country online that had her. With so many players at a continental level playing Snake-eyes, it becomes very difficult to build a Snake-eyes deck even if you wanted to , as some key cards are just not available on a timely enough basis (same problem that Tenpai players encounter with Trident Dragion). As for the banlist, I can see Konami waiting for the end of regionals (last one is June 30) and releasing a list a week before NA nats (or even less, they have done lists where they release it on Monday for a tournament on Friday). They'll probably want to hype as much as possible Infinite Forbidden, which will be LEGAL in NA nats even though it releases TWO DAYS before the event, and thus I can see consistency hits to Snake-eyes making Fiendsmith cards necessary to keep the deck alive.
@andrejv.2834
@andrejv.2834 3 ай бұрын
Snake eye also wasn't nearly as represented at the many national championships that.were held for the past 2 weeks But that's probably because those have less rounds, and beating snake eye in the short run is easier than doing it in the long run
@OlgaZuccati
@OlgaZuccati 3 ай бұрын
June 30 is 23 days too much without a banlist
@Nelland
@Nelland 3 ай бұрын
I think this is the first format in a while that EVERYONE unanimously hate a format so much. I think the Kashtira one was pretty close, but it isn't that long compared to this one
@Jhawk2711
@Jhawk2711 3 ай бұрын
@@wahrtdef not. That format at least for the top players was actually skill expressive.
@Wyrser
@Wyrser 3 ай бұрын
Because it's The "normal summon Ash" Format. Unless you have a way to stop every single Ash they play, which is searchable by 5 different cards, you lose. Even Snake Eye mirrors with their 18 hand traps, if a single Ash went through, it was over.
@dudesk099
@dudesk099 3 ай бұрын
Mid July is the earliest I'd expect one going off the usual 3 month cycle unfortunately, right around the time of INFO
@hallyuniverse
@hallyuniverse 3 ай бұрын
Yep they're gonna hit Snake-Eye, everyone's going to buy Fiendsmith, and then the hits to Snake-Eye will barely matter because Fiendsmith engine gets you into Snake-Eye cards and Snake-Eye cards get you into Fiendsmith engine. Unless they literally ban multiple Snake-Eye cards it won't matter.
@d.e.g.e.3061
@d.e.g.e.3061 3 ай бұрын
​​@@hallyuniverseWithout Closed Moon You can't access the fiendsmith cards, unless I'm missing some obscure LIGHT Fiend Link
@hallyuniverse
@hallyuniverse 3 ай бұрын
@@d.e.g.e.3061 I mean we will be getting Closed Moon, either in Battle of Legends or as an import in INFO. Konami isn't going to not print that card before Fiendsmith. Regardless the Fiendsmith engine still gets you into Snake-Eyes (also Knightmare Gryphon/Underworld Goddess are also generic LIGHT Fiend Links but OFC not realistic to Summon for a Link 1 into engine access).
@kwayke9
@kwayke9 3 ай бұрын
Doesn't matter unless Snake eye ash is straight up banned imo
@deatharcana7998
@deatharcana7998 3 ай бұрын
Funny, when the format was Unchained, Rescue-Ace and company you guys Pro-Players cried loud enough because was impossible to side for diverse format and bla bla and because of that a fun format was destroyed with the banlist. Now after months of everyone saying that Snake-Eyes was a problem suddenly you guys agree, even tho you defended this format with all you might. Honestly, i respect you pro-players for the effort you put into improve your ability at the game, but when it comes to the game health you guys are oblivious af -_-.
@besterranx3217
@besterranx3217 3 ай бұрын
The side was problem but at least the format was fun. There are nothing wrong blaming that. Also konami could fix this issue by releasing better generic handtrap/board breakers for side decks. Or just change the master rule by allowing more side deck slots.
@jwong9044
@jwong9044 3 ай бұрын
its as if tier zero formats are bad… again
@bobby45825
@bobby45825 3 ай бұрын
Tier 0 representation but only tier 1 in terms of power. Full power tears would embarrass snake-eyes at full power.
@Ragnarok540
@Ragnarok540 3 ай бұрын
It depends on how fun is the mirror match and if the deck is affordable.
@jwong9044
@jwong9044 3 ай бұрын
@@bobby45825 i mean that also means another tier zero format is bad . Because at the end of the day. If you want only 1 deck to play against mirrors all day, play chess. Deck diversity is always good for the game
@jwong9044
@jwong9044 3 ай бұрын
@@Ragnarok540 noone wants to watch the same mirror all day. that is chess, not TCG. deck diversity always better than not
@bobby45825
@bobby45825 3 ай бұрын
@@jwong9044 Nobody is debating that point. You're making up a strawman. I never said "nonstop mirrors are fun guiz!111!!!!"
@hahathatsgreat2
@hahathatsgreat2 3 ай бұрын
Its simple guys, Konami does not care if the game is fun to play, skillful, etc. Once you let go of this idea, their banlists make more sense from a marketing perspective.
@asuraphreak
@asuraphreak 3 ай бұрын
Thanks captain obvious.
@Salvo_117
@Salvo_117 3 ай бұрын
You know what’s not obvious how everyone blames Konami which they are partly at fault, but no one blames players who promote and buy these products, don’t blame the players using snake-eyes that would be crazy the people who incentivize Konami’s behavior
@benign4823
@benign4823 3 ай бұрын
​​​@@Salvo_117Arguing that people shouldn't want to win is not much of an argument. People want to win, telling people that they shouldn't buy the thing that has the highest chance of getting them wins and blaming them for it is counterproductive.
@unbeatable750
@unbeatable750 3 ай бұрын
The game is skillful tho
@runningoncylinders3829
@runningoncylinders3829 3 ай бұрын
@@benign4823That was the main motif of Arc-V and that playing to win makes you a horrible player. You should always play to entertain the opponent and spectators and focus on decks that are fun to watch and available to grow the game. That’s responsible towards rampant powercreep too, and I would fault you for saying it’s helpful to play a deck to top. There’s no good prizes for a reason.
@ViperRaiyu
@ViperRaiyu 3 ай бұрын
They need the tearlaments treatment. Limit everything, and maybe ban one card, preferably one of the level 1’s.
@Wyrser
@Wyrser 3 ай бұрын
Nah, tearlaments needed thise hits because every tear name was a combo. SE live and die by Ash. They could ban a single level 1 and the deck becomes a lot more sane. It's either Poplar, to reduce how explosive the combo is, or Oak so they no longer have the extreme floating and recursion they have.
@Raphael4722
@Raphael4722 3 ай бұрын
Not really. Just banning flamberge would be enough.
@Oloistogamersloungeeistepisogl
@Oloistogamersloungeeistepisogl 3 ай бұрын
Hahahahaha fucking tearlaments is nothing like this deck it's broken as hell and shouldn't even exist. Snake-Eyes is a joke of a deck I never lose to it , the problem is that I am not there to kick their ass and you noobs can't copy my decklists because you are all just netdeckers and you can't come up on your own with strategies to defeat it.
@Oloistogamersloungeeistepisogl
@Oloistogamersloungeeistepisogl 3 ай бұрын
@@Raphael4722 The deck works pretty well without Flamberge and noobs don't even use his field effect most of the time. The only broken thing of his is his graveyard effect and doesn't matter many times. The Witches and Birch are the most broken cards of the deck it is just that you don't know how to play with them.
@Raphael4722
@Raphael4722 3 ай бұрын
​@@Oloistogamersloungeeistepisogl Banlist decisions should be made based on how the pros are playing, not based on how noobs play lol. If you are good, you should be able to beat a Snake-Eyes noob with a rogue deck. Without Flamberge, the combos would be a lot weaker and it would not be the best deck anymore.
@whendelgabriel6772
@whendelgabriel6772 3 ай бұрын
a podcast episode with Paulo would be nice 👀
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