JPG vs Raw (Jared Polin response)

My original raw vs JPG video: • Raw vs JPG: Image Qual...
Jared's response: • Tony Northrup's CONFUS... (please be polite)
My raw workflow: • Tony's RUTHLESS Raw Wo...

[@mattgranger]

Excellent clarification... I admire your restraint. It is really difficult to clarify misinformation without further blowing it up. Well done.

[@Jack-ol8bb]

Matt, as a fan of all three of your channels, where do you think the blame lies? If any?

[@BenjaminKanarek]

Regarding Tony and his JPEG vs RAW discourse. I think people have been too hard on Tony. After watching his video, there seems to be some semantic issues only. Or more precisely, splitting hairs. It is evident to me that Tony recommends RAW unequivocally if quality is the criteria for the images you are producing. I have just very closely scrutinsing the images from yesterdays shoot for ELLE magazine. I shot everything in RAW + Fine JPEG... In a WORD or a few...DO NOT SHOOT JPEG if you really care about your images. The difference is flagrant. JPEGs are mushy almost renedering like a very subtle water color effect. Now when I imported my RAW either using Adobe ACR or Iridient and disabling both thesharpening and noise reduction defaults to zero and importing in to Photoshop and then sharpening to my taste at 180 % at 0.4 pixels....JUST WOW!!!! As good or close to as good to my eyes as my Nikon D800e until of course you enlarge to 100% where the Nikon file is obviously 33% larger. Avoid JPEG if you are producing for press ro Hi Rez usage advertising and editorial!

[@mattgranger]

On the topic of file format - Why does their need to be blame? People can have different opinions. The rest is style and personality.

[@benhalstead1869]

Restraint! lol You make it sound like Jared broke some rule. They are associates not friends. Jared is more in tune with American culture then you Matt,Chris & Tony put together.

[@dvieitez]

Hot Takes Media Jared behaved like every other American always do... thinking he is better than everybody else and that his oppinion is superior.

[@ChrisGower]

I think "maybe they need to take up another hobby or profession" just sums up what a tool Polin is.

[@jamessingleton9159]

Best part is I've never been impressed by any of his work, so I'm not sure why he spends so much effort putting other people down. I guess for the likes and subscribers.

[@Soonjai]

If you talk everyone around you down you make yourself look better to the general public. At least´s that´s what Jared think´s how it works.

[@Nox444]

"I don't care if you're rude because I'm dead inside. I died a long time ago..." Quote of the year.

[@jakjak258]

Damien R. Why this should be the quote of the year? Is it a good thing that people have to be dead inside? Incredible what people are looking for..

[@xxswamplordxx2079]

jakjak258 It's just a funny way to say you've got thick skin & can take harsh criticism. Don't over-analyze it, buddy...

[@EnterSpacebar]

@jakjak258 ...whoooshh...

[@krishnapoddar1655]

Time stamp please

[@xwhite2020]

@@xxswamplordxx2079 just a hip but clumsy way to say I dont give a shiit.

[@PiXimperfect]

Tony, I personally get tons of rude comments and criticisms without evidence or ideas. Thanks for making this video, it really helped me realize that you just can't make everyone happy. And there will be some people who have so much spare time, that they would rather spend putting others down than building themselves up. I respect you, and will always support your work.

[@isidrogamarra]

PiXimperfect Real sees real

[@soccerstar2468G]

You’re the reason i know how to use photoshop, so hats off to you man keep up the amazing work, literally my hero😂

[@alexmontesino]

I recently discovered your channel, I wished were long time ago, but however new fan here, I got a lot of respect for you teaching skill and all the photoshop knowledge you spread.

[@andrewwarriner3552]

I love your videos, first class teacher/ tutorials

[@lqqkitslory]

So, without further ado, I’d like to say you’ve single handedly taught me more than anyone! Cheers 🍻

[@СлободанСуботић-ч9е]

Yup. There is a world outside of the USA where people want to use cameras and want to shoot RAW, but have less than 500€ a month of income. Thanks for understanding that Tony.

[@Traumglanz]

That's actually relevant for about a 1/3 of the united states as well. Don't forget that people in the states go to prison over $50 parking tickets. There is a a large amount of people that poor in the states as well.

[@sps6470]

Agreed..

[@brianptomey7366]

That's what socialism gets you.

[@EricMathiasen]

@@brianptomey7366 socialism gets you to jail for fifty dollars of parking tickets? Seems like a lie to me.

[@CreuvonVolve]

Brazilian photographer here. 4TB of storage is just short of minimum wage over here, so it's great to see that there are people who understand that they have a wider audience than the average high payed american.

[@jaysonfayo7083]

"I'm sorry. I can't make it simple as always shoot raw or always shoot jpg. Different tools for different jobs." -Tony Northrup Very well said

[@otallono]

Except they aren't different "tools"

[@j-ohara]

My respect, Tony. You are such a patient man for taking your time to respond to this kind of misinterpretation of things you said. Congrats. Thank you for your work.

[@cameralabs]

To be honest, I hoped you'd just ignore the first response, but you've covered everything fairly and professionally here (as always!) - it helps to be dead inside!

[@mytravellinfo]

EXACTLY !

[@ilovephotography1254]

Thumbs down to Gordon, I agree that Tony in your words "covered everything fairly and professionally here (as always!)" , however your not walking in Tony's shoes. Tony had his own reasons to respond. In my opinion, I glad Tony cleared the air on what his original video intent was about. Gordon, I have appreciated and watched your videos for years, now my respect for you has slipped a notch. "To be honest," as a youTube contributor you may want keep your opinions to photography content only.

[@williamdesevo2089]

Completely agree. Should have taken the high road and not responded, its actually tedious.

[@budthecyborg4575]

Tony was wrong on multiple subjects (not all), sounds like he's whining, and took Jared out of context. Tony should just delete both of the videos.

[@cameralabs]

I don't understand what I've done to upset you here. I was merely voicing my support for Tony and saying I didn't think there was any need for him to respond to what was really an unnecessary video. Sorry I've let you down!

[@kes-3d]

This is why I love your videos. Always incredibly professional and very well reasoned, taking into account a lot of the important real world factors that come in to play. When I started learning photography I used a lot of your tutorials to help me get up to speed and I will be forever grateful for that.

[@TheCameraStoreTV]

Classy response. As another KZbinr rendered 'dead inside' by comments, I respect your restraint. Jordan @ TCSTV

[@zemudikat]

classy isnt "exposing" another youtuber and publicly shaming them.

[@davehyper7835]

Which is exactly what Jared did to Tony... let's not beat about the bush!

[@truthrules4139]

It's funny how they're both 2 mules in the same barn and can't smell it!

[@chcomes]

Haha guys you are awesome! My fav zombies...

[@michaelpark952]

Honestly a collab of Northrups & TCS would be the one that I’ll enjoy the most. I’m positive many people would want that as well.

[@vinofarm]

You're a good guy, Tony.

[@shibui2466]

Vino Farm He really is. Its so rare in this platform...

[@dustinthierry5295]

I agree, you’re a good guy Tony, very gentleman like of you.

[@AlexHR5459]

Tony & Chelsea are rawesome.

[@lareebrownell3399]

He is not only a good guy, but he is right on with his recommendations.

[@budthecyborg4575]

Tony's JPEG video was confusing and pointless. Jared may not have addressed it in the best manner but Tony is clearly butthurt here.

[@ishanankit9807]

There's a reason why Tony has more people taking him seriously than Jared. Jared is only a showman, whereas Tony and Chelsea really want to educate their viewers. When I first got the 80D, I was so overwhelmed by its functions and this and that, until I found Tony's complete 80D tutorial which was like 90 minutes long! I have never seen anybody else make that kind of effort. It takes real drive to create an entire episode dedicated on one model of a camera. You and Chelsea have my respect Tony, and honestly, I'd pay to be subscribed to your channel. I know my 80D the way I do because of your one video. Cheers from India!

[@TonyAndChelsea]

Thanks for the kind words, Ishan! We do really care about education.

[@ishanankit9807]

I need not look anywhere else for my photography insights then! You guys are awesome!

[@GamingInfested]

ishan ankit jared is a youtuber...

[@dialatedmcd]

They are the shit aren't they? I think they're this successful because of their cool last name. Having a last name that cool would get me pumped up and make me want to be successful. My last names okay but it doesn't pump me up or make me want to become successful. :(

[@kevindiaz3459]

I feel like the two of them have done more to take people from beginner into the intermediate level than anyone else out there. Their videos are super informative as well as entertaining (except the really nerdy ones Tony does, but then I love those too since I am a nerd).

[@BogdanStetco]

This RAW vs JPEG is starting to get silly... Just shoot whatever works best for your situation. Can we please move on?

[@RyanH0809]

Bogdan Stetco that's the point. That's what Tony has been saying.

[@ericlowenbach5151]

Seems like you may not have watched the video. One of them is saying it's raw versus jpeg and you must always pick raw, the other is saying "here are your options, and why you might choose one or the other." I'll leave it to you to guess which is which.

[@BogdanStetco]

Danilo Costa Viana my point is, there are a ton of informative videos out there about the technicality of different file formats. When a photographer gets to the poin of understanding what a raw file is, then for sure he'll know what format to shoot in, when and what to do with them. That said, I don't see any reason for more videos like this nor like the previous one. I like Tony, but he shouldn't waste his neurons on this subject. TGIF! :)

[@BogdanStetco]

Ryan do we really have to flog the poor dead horse over and over again? I'm expecting more from Tony.

[@BogdanStetco]

Stephen I don't care about childish fights. File formats have been discussed over and over again. There's no reason for more videos like these.

[@andru12cb]

Excellent response Tony, like a gentleman.

[@jessiharm528]

I REALLY REALLY REALLY hate when people say "if you can't afford it maybe you need to get another hobby". Like screw you. You don't know my situation, life changes, plans change, and maybe my original plans and intentions had a wrench thrown in them due to a job loss, or an emergency, or whatever. Maybe I am just getting into the hobby and I have made my initial investment but I can't do anything else right now... would you still tell me to give up and get another hobby? When people make those comments it annoys me. Why are their always elitest. The sad thing is, it's not just photography... I see these attitudes and arguments in the sewing groups, photography groups, baking.. everything.. if you are "serious" or a "real" hobbiest you have to do things this one way.

[@stevea5985]

QRBSN more then a few people bought their skill when it comes to photography . And that skill isn't with the camera , it's their skill in " editing " each photograph to perfection . Yet the question is what makes one a " professional " in the field of photography ? Because you sell your work ? Your actual skill behind the camera not the editing software ? Because you do weddings ?

[@EnterSpacebar]

Best to ignore those people. There's way too many of those half-brained, ignorant and/or insensitive people around.

[@stevea5985]

Ritesh Tripathy Ignore who

[@d.banksdesigns1995]

JessiHarm Well said. Because of Fro knows arrogance, I’m unfollowing him.

[@jessiharm528]

DNELL GOTTA I have moved away from his channel but I still think there is some value there, however, it's not just him. I belong to a couple of portrait photography groups on facebook and the comments people make are just evil. In the most unpolite society, they couldn't pass for Constructive criticism. Its a lot of people sadly. It's also frustrating because lots of hobbies will always have elitest, but I have noticed photographers are the worst. I have just learned to find photographers whose style resonate with me, or that I admire and listen to their feedback, follow them on social media, try to engage in discussion with them, etc.

[@karafuru7666]

"He said it would get lots of views, 'no thank you, that's not how I operate.'" -Respect

[@blackie75]

yeah. if it was casey neistat, he would have jumped at it lol. these guys are as commercial as it gets

[@EnzoBarrett]

“I’m already dead inside I died a long time ago” 😂

[@j-man72b72]

It's the best comment I've heard in a long while.

[@ernestmfakudze]

Wow Tony, you are so calm and professional! We can all learn something from you! The key is being polite even if you don't agree with someone.

[@Michael-jl8ev]

A really great way to respond. Professional, polite and still made some great points. Don't let it get to you guys. Keep it up.

[@itschriswinter]

Brilliant response Tony. Class

[@egazulfikarrahman5119]

hey chris! never thought I'd see you here hahaha

[@omarocastl]

Whaaaaat this is actually Chris Winter 😱

[@allanalbery]

Why are some people so rude, there is no need, in fact you lose the argument by doing so. I got what you meant in your original video. I shoot raw all the time as it suites my shooting style. But if someone prefers jpeg then great. Its like people getting hot under the collar wether they shoot Nikon or Canon, or wether you should use lens protector filters etc. Everyone is an individual and can make their own mind up.7 Anyway Tony thanks for your for your videos Allan UK

[@hedition9346]

I have NEVER seen more bigoted and jumpy people in the field of photography vs other fields of art. And I have seen MANY fields both as hobby and work in my ENTIRE life. I have NEVER seen a field that spends all day talking about technology and gadgets vs the art itself. And NEVER so much hostility in every discussion. To put this into perspective, comments in other fields would be like these if the people are the same: A Casio? Get a Steinway or give up piano please. What? Acrylic? Pros use oil rofl. Ew solo freestyle. Dancing is a conversation! Tony I have been following your channel for a while and I admit sometimes when you guys seem to favor more premium gadgets I would roll my eyes a little. But when you said you believe everyone should be able to take up photography regardless of budget, you earned my full respect. This is true passion for art and this sets you apart from many other photography channels out there.

[@charlesdavidson4815]

Hedition, well said!

[@0ooTheMAXXoo0]

People do argue about the best acrylic paint or the best oil paint to use (oil VS acrylic is more like Photo vs TV, two different mediums). People do argue over the best pianos too. I constantly point out how dancers who cannot keep a rhythm win competitions just because they are more acrobatic / more athletic and lament about the amazing dancers that should have won... If there is a subject that a human can be passionate about then they will want to talk about it and with passions they are not always 100% logical so you will have differing opinions.

[@gilbertogranados3018]

Amen.

[@wanneske1969]

The funny thing is photographers like to boast and talk about their gear, the newest cameras, lenses and gadgets, settings but in the end they say 'the gear doesn't matter, it's the photographer'.... Who cares about the settings if the pic is great ? And iso, shutterspeed, aperture are not as hard to understand, seems like photographers want to make things more complicated than they are. Playing guitar or piano is WAY harder

[@stevea5985]

Yes so many hostile arguments about gear , settings , and format in photography .it gets old very fast . There are the gear geeks and those of us who go out and shoot , and produce photos regardless of the gear we use . Raw vs. jpeg use whatever you want , when I use my DSLR I go after the best shot every time " little to no editing " . That is because of my film background

[@edwardbrown2142]

Tony's integrity is unquestionable - when you watch a Northrup video you know it's right because he really stands behind everything he says and won't fill the gaps with any BS. A true educator.

[@smaakjeks]

+Stefan If you can falsify anything Tony has said with experimental protocol, please do so. You mention full frame and light, so I assume you're talking about crop factor applying to effective f-stops. Well, I've got an APS-C camera and a full frame camera, and a bunch of lenses. You tell me what settings and focal lengths would replicate results across formats (depth of field, noise level, field of view, motion blur). I've offered the challenge to about 10 people. Not a single person has answered. Maybe you're the one!

[@Melbourne-s4x]

Thougnt exactly the same as you. Tony is a highly respected contributor to the photog community. The other side of this topic is not even worth naming.

[@Hhhgghhh1235]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z4CymopslrKbl80 “won’t fill the gaps with any BS”

[@smaakjeks]

+Robert Gasp! They make fun videos in between the educational ones. The horror!

[@Dangermaniac206]

Polin is an immature showman

[@Trillavision]

yea he a bitch for that

[@aussie8114]

Nivek TOTALLY

[@KentSpain85]

Yeah I can't stand the guy. He's so full of himself.

[@frederickletterblair]

He should be the 6th worst type of photographers.

[@tt-co9ut]

My respect for Tony Northrup is 1000 fold more, this is the mature way of handling stuff. He mentions without saying, to be a better human being and then take up photography. Thanks a lot sir. Salute to you for keeping cool.

[@nickklanlewis3498]

This is mature and I hope other channels learn from this

[@sekrasoft]

I believe they will not because it requires thinking. Photography is a sort of art, it's not as precise as science. It will always be full of rumors, religion and fashion. It's easier to say that RAW is cool and professional because they said so than to start thinking and decide when it is appropriate to shoot either RAW or JPEG.

[@nickklanlewis3498]

Konstantin Pugachev I agree, can't deny it's just the way how he dealt with it instead of maybe slandering him was a way we can learn from this

[@wilbmoore]

Nickklan Lewis agreed

[@wesleygcoleman]

Jared seems like the human manifestation of one of those inflatable crazy arms things that you see outside newly-opened pizza buffets.

[@adam_west_photo]

Wesley Coleman LMAO!

[@dangarcia5198]

Lol. Totally agree.

[@AnthonyGarmont]

Wish I could like this more than once. DEAD CORRECT.

[@joits]

Oh god someone needs to make this

[@anthonyjriz3]

wacky waving inflatable arm flailing tube maaaaaaan........warehouse & emporium

[@philsiroc]

I started taking pictures some where around 1970 's ( 70 years old now ) and by far not professional. Just enough to get me in some TROUBLE some times ! I have watched a lot of both Jared videos and a lot Tony and even Chelsea just the other day on Osprey editing with Light Room. All I can say is I enjoy watching all of his and your videos. I think every one has to think a little for them self's for what is best for them. I would give all of you a BIG 10 for the time you take to make all these videos and I personally enjoy all of them. It is a great learning experience for me ! A BIG THANKS AND A HAPPY HOLIDAY'S TO ALL THE SHUTTER BUGS !!!

[@TbonesTech]

Perfect response Tony always knew you were a class act!

[@carly3710]

Aggree

[@jaysonfayo7083]

Well said

[@urface12343]

TbonesTech always knew he was an offended snowflake bitchboy.

[@HinMLee]

It costs nothing to be kind.

[@Traumglanz]

My Patience is a rare commodity. I prefer to reserve it for people worth it. ;-)

[@jakjak258]

H. M. Lee what? Are you sure about that? One of the most valuable thing in this life is being kind when somebody hurt you.. only sages reach that level.

[@g0dl355]

except subscribers apparently

[@ChrisTian-lf2oh]

It costs nothing to have common sense.

[@nozzatron]

@jakjak258 That's what he's saying dude, be selflessly kind, it costs nothing :)

[@willprice7475]

Subscribed because of this video. Watched the other side of this exchange just before, and I respect the level headed approach of this response. Good job.

[@ericlowenbach5151]

I removed my comment because it wasn't all that polite. But I think it's clear that all the integrity can be found over here on this channel and not the other guy's channel. I appreciate your empirical, evidence-based approach in all things, and your acknowledgement than options exist.

[@richpoinvil9618]

I was going to run to get a fire extinguisher but after a while, I saw that there was a controlled fire on the screen. Keep up the great work Tony!

[@bigdaddyprofit]

I learned how to work my camera thanks to you. I started shooting raw after you showed the benefits. Peoples budgets vary from time to time. Thanks for being actually helpful and inclusive.

[@aatuvaan7563]

Don't worry, he made a fool of himself by attacking one of the most respected photographer of the digital era

[@maximilianmin1786]

no offense tony is bs he's not a pro like Jared and he's just trying to sell you his books - true look at how many friggin ads he has for himself

[@danielkophoto]

Think I've heard about Jared's site more than i have of Tony's books. Also he literally never changes shirts, and is a walking ad for them @maximilian

[@stevevuoso8411]

Who?

[@floriankessler4516]

"how do you protect your gear?" "do you want to know how to shoot video with your dslr" "you want to have the same shirt as I have?" "I have a great course on..." - Maximillian Min you are so right. Tony could learn a lot of Jared add-free videos.

[@maximilianmin1786]

okok, im not saying he has no ads, he does have them, but remember that every single link he shows he's trying to get you to use, and always talks about his book - mentioned more than twice in this video

[@theneverendinghighway]

I shoot with my lens cap on. I beginning to think I might drink to much.

[@SteveMasonCanada]

Smart. That way you won't be blowing the highlights. Can't get them back shooting jpeg. :)

[@ysamkabir9285]

You're not alone bro I do that too LOL

[@jefo2405]

I hope you shot them in RAW. Then at least you might be able to save them. ;)

[@bobvegana4752]

No. Start shooting raw they will instantly get better, I promise

[@UnrealTournament420]

Just bump up your ISO bud 😊

[@joeltunnah]

Can you really have a rational discussion on this subject with someone who wears an “I Shoot Raw” t-shirt?

[@TonyAndChelsea]

The answer does seem obvious, but for some reason I decided to learn this lesson the hard way 🤣

[@vinnym6734]

My thought as well hahaha

[@noelchignell1048]

Yep , Ken Rockwell only shoots jpeg and if you look at his images they're pretty impressive as are the images of the professional sports photographers who always use jpeg. Jared Polin is famous for what ? A - KZbin channel ? or B - Photography ?

[@AgentPepsi1]

I watched three of Jared's videos. His arrogance, as well the giant 1970s fro, turned me off. Come to think of it, he was wearing the same shirt in every video. I blocked him so I would not have to be assailed by his channel in the future.

[@nn-es8hp]

I think Jared Polin totally missed the point of Tony’s video, and rushed to take a cheat shot on Tony. Jared takes a big L on this one.

[@Soonjai]

The Problem is that Jared would love to live in a world where only RAW exists and where only people with tons of money go anywhere near photography.

[@martindalpe.photography]

I personnaly respect both, Tony and Jared, they both contribute to the world of photography in there own way. but when you say cheap shot... well if you look deeply, a lot of photographer on youtube had the same reaction has Jared and posted video about it, and they agree with Jared. you may not like his style , but the message is there. Thanks to Tony for the second video for clarifying his view... It was brillant. and sometime we need those little conflict to keep our edge, that's how we grow in life.

[@Farshidmisaghi121]

The bigger man!

[@SergioGVasco]

Well, i arrived a bit late to the discussion (more than a year, apparently) but, after seeing this, just wanted to say thank you Tony for your channel. You really are trying to help people and it moves me when you say that you'd like everybody who loves photography to be able to do it, completely aware of the heart breaking fact that many of us simply can't afford it to go and spend money on some extra hard-drive, or online storage or whatever. Some people can't afford even a camera. You and Chelsea, i've never seen mistreating a fellow photographer or media creator. Just keep being yourselves, please. I really appreciate it.

[@aaron670]

I find it ironic how Jared Polin is a stickler about getting the crop right in camera but doesn't feel that the same applies for exposure settings.

[@jeremy001]

Great response!

[@RamagsKitchen]

Sir i bought my first dslr a few days back with money that i have been saving for 2 years. Your take on people with different situation and strata and giving suggestion accordingly has driven me to be an ardent fan. Photography I cannot comment but one thing would like to state "You're a good human being"!

[@MannyOrtiz]

Great response Tony!

[@stevevuoso8411]

Fro knows clickbait.

[@themohammed]

Watching in 2021, this video is dead-on! I’m using the memory card that came with my camera, can’t buy an extra memory card right now cos of the camera cost. Thanks Tony. Useful & classy.

[@ryanrock02]

Great response Tony. You chose words carefully! Jared was so rude

[@simon_patterson]

Best to avoid negative people such as Jared Polin and that angry guy. They rely on negativity against others to get publicity. Much better to follow positive photo educators like the Northrups, the Camera Store guys, Matt Granger and many more.

[@alexmilesg3]

Agree 100%

[@BennyTorresTheRealOne]

Props for not deleting any videos and just simplh further clarifying for anybody interested in the perspectives

[@FlexWheeler2nd]

Thanks for the polite response. I commented on Jared’s video last week that this needs to stop. It’ll only lead to senseless bickering. I agree with you that everyone needs to be polite. As the quote goes, we can disagree without being disagreeable. Let’s all keep it classy. Photography is a great art and one of the things I learned early on is you learn all the rules and then break them! That’s the beauty in art and experimentation. As I said in my comment on Jared’s as you said here, let’s let people decide what works according to their situation!

[@Luna-cf3op]

This is Jared weak point, JPEG! he just can't handle it. It triggers him when he hears it. Years ago he targeted Ken Rockwell in the same tasteless ways. But I guess may be he just did that as he wanted more hit!

[@RobbyHuang]

Yeah that was super uncool what he did. Weird.

[@basicaph]

agreed

[@RobbyHuang]

It has nothing to do with whether he was right or not, it was the fact that he called Tony out for seemingly no reason and just starting internet beef. It was childish.

[@bralph82]

Literally everything Jared does is uncool.

[@Jdikmen]

I see both points of view, but Jared did not handle the situation professionally. He could have made the same video and points without attacking Tony just to get clicks. Tony is addressing a larger audience beyond just full-time pros.

[@BrandonGraham]

+cliff medina It's not flat wrong. Hardly anything can be that clear cut anyway. It could have been better. But it basically said if you're not a pro, don't shoot jpeg. Pros will decide when it's necessary (like shooting sports). And when you decide you're good enough to make that decision, one of the first examples is you might do it at events that are not super important.

[@jarrod7465]

you know this video is really interesting because it shows how wound up we are in the technology of cameras rather than the art. I had an eye opening experience today where this videographer I was on a shoot with created these amazing videos, yet she ran her camera on full auto mode, and didn't really understand what 4k or 1080p was even. Yet her videos are incredible. I was like, oh yeah, I use my camera on manual and use RAW file format, and understand the technology, yet there's people out there making much better work who don't care about the technology or file formats. Real eye opener.

[@GwynbleiddX1]

Videographer has no idea of what 1080p or 4K is! Good one mate.

[@petersagi275]

I don't really think that You with your really clear arguments, and class leading technology videos even have to respond folks like Jared Polin.

[@epion33]

Péter Sági I'm not sure if you were clear with your argument either.

[@TonyAndChelsea]

Thanks for saying that. I've been through clickbait attacks before and have always chosen not to respond. However, 90,000+ people watched his video (more than the original video!) and only say his version of my story. This certainly won't repair the damage Jared has done to my reputation, but hopefully it clarifies some points.

[@beatnickPL]

I hope he was just seeking for attention, I can't imagine any serious photographer would try to ridicule other photographer workshop & approach

[@TheEmzies]

Totally agree. Jared Polin always seems to be shouting at his audience.

[@petersagi275]

I think this video was a really fair response. I really like your almost academic style of arguments and if you keep this up, all attacking voices will dissolve.

[@JeffRemasPhotography]

Tony is a class act and this was a very professional response to a very unprofessional, out of context video clickbaited by the fro guy.

[@Imaginethis221]

Great job Tony!

[@mt6273]

So you dont use CLICKBAIT Jeff Remas?

[@facesplaces]

Jeff Remas Photography fro is doing a lot of camera sniffing after this.

[@stumpycatvm7115]

jared thinks he ownes this raw topic because he cranks out all those stupid t-shirts

[@jaysonfayo7083]

Very well said

[@rbjfotos]

I have been watching you guys for years. I've relearned things forgotten along with learning new ways and ideas. Seeing how far you guys have come with photography pushes me to get to that point one day, and also to share my knowledge like you have. I'm in the midst of trying to go full time with my photography and alot of what you said is true. I dont have all the money needed to get all the equipment I want, but I have to make due for what u have and sometimes DIY equipment. So hearing someone who literally has just about everything they need talk about to us on our level makes me feel connected more so to what you say. $10 goes along way. Saving for lenses seems like an unattainable goal but yet we do it. We do it to get to the next level. So thank you for understanding people like me who wants to get there but has to do it on a budget. 🙏📸

[@MarshallJCMGibsonSG]

To be fair, if you wear a shirt, wrist bands and underwear that says "I shoot RAW", you might be inclined to take JPEGs a little more personally than necessary... Also, why is the file format you shoot such a touchy topic for people? If you get the shot, you get the shot. You do you.

[@gnomehanslan1430]

It only starts mattering when it comes to professional work. Even then, the practicality of RAW is debatable and it depends when it comes to the actual heat of the job. As far as I know, its all about the clients. If they can make their clients happy with JPEGs, then so be it. If they prefer to make them happy with RAW, then so be it.

[@Traumglanz]

He is even more dumb, he is telling us not to shoot in lossless compressed raw, but always uncompressed :D And I guess afterwards we are supposed to upload the BMP files to facebook. The physical pain cause by this fools stupidity is hard to bear. ;-)

[@LarzB]

Haha.. good reply.

[@phillipshaner3380]

whens the diss track coming out

[@Gershy13]

BIG SHAQ

[@xev7595]

please yes

[@greeknick87]

aight boom

[@raptorbass4054]

Pluto this needs collab! 😂

[@tonychaar6780]

I just saw both episodes, Tony I agree with you regarding the subject and admire your politeness:)

[@jwgfoto5419]

Remember that JP sells shirts that promotes Raw and if he ever had to says JPEG is ok, he would lose business. :)

[@PeterDrage]

Not in the EU he's banned for Trademark Infringement.

[@simon_patterson]

I take photo yeah, Polin really painted himself into a corner from the outset, didn't he!

[@1lifeonearth]

I remember the first camera video I watched on youtube was something from the fro guy. Eventually I found videos from Tony and realized Tony is infinitely better in every way.

[@Andres-lj8sy]

And he doesn't even have a fro it's just unkempt and picked up

[@honeysucklecat]

he seems disingenuous when discussing products - he says what the manufacturer wants.

[@sarahshipley9080]

I just bought my first DSLR (Canon 77D) and have been researching how-to's from a few different youtubers, Jared included. But your videos have been the most consistent in quality and content, and very easy to understand! I love that you acknowledged everyone who owns a camera is different, with different styles and budget - it's not just cut and dry. Like another commenter mentioned, you have made detailed tutorials on certain cameras which helped me fully grasp how to use my new camera. You put a lot of dedication in your videos and it shows. I used to not spend much time on youtube and therefore don't have many subscriptions, but after watching this video I couldn't not subscribe! Well done! No longer going to waste time watching Jared Polin. Wasn't that big of a fan anyway :)

[@johnzehner4315]

I lost respect for Jared Polin when I saw his video.

[@martindalpe.photography]

Why ? you may not like the form of the video, but it only show that Tony did not explain himself correctly... I had the same questions has Jared... and a lot of poeple had those reaction... but Tony second video clarify his view. Jared just did his job = place his opinion. Both Jared and Tony contribute to the photography world in there own way.

[@LinkThreeMedia]

Jared Polin ventured so far up his own ass years ago and I think he got stuck there because of his fro. Tony, ignore him and keep doing what you're doing. You are the superior channel and everyone knows it (including Polin).

[@LEGOBubuS]

TechsualHealing Best comment ever.

[@mrpcuseratyahoo]

I appreciate all the videos that you have available. You make everything clear and concise for most people to understand. A lot of times photographers are snobby, but I do not get that when I hear your evaluations and teaching style. Thanks

[@RafaelTeranGarza]

You nailed it! Money is the name of the game! Jared must realize not everyone is willing to invest loads of money in photography because you know... life!!! Also Jared got exactly what he wanted, loads of cheap views, i mean how many Jpeg vs Raw videos does he needs to make his point?!?!?

[@truescotsman83]

Everybody that's been into photography for more than a few years and watch youtube photography channels know Jared Polin talks crap constantly. I find it hard to watch him these days. Anyways well constructed response Tony. Always wonder why people question your tech knowledge. Mostly likely they don't know you used to write technical manuals for Microsoft. It takes a certain type of brain thats a detailed learner in order to write that stuff which you clearly apply to photography too.

[@problemat1que]

Ian Appleton I agree, I'm in a technical profession myself and find Tony the most technically competent KZbinr in the physical and computational aspects of digital photography. Maybe this is why people try so hard to disprove him, they want to elevate their own standing by trying to pull him down to their level.

[@lancealbon46]

You guys are awesome. Thank you for the amazing content 😊👍🏼

[@proartservices]

I'm not sure why Fro thought making that video was a good idea.. it's like a one legged man trying to start an ass kicking contest.

[@BryceChristopherHodge]

Or join a soccer team? :-)

[@glapioniii3361]

have you ever seen a one legged man in a ass kicking contest.....

[@chrisb2751]

Fro is right though

[@m.popovich6858]

I feel sorry for Jared for saying let's make a video together and it will have lots of views,in the last couple of years he changed in a way just to have more views, I've been following him for a long time and he's been realistic but know it's obvious that he wants to make a scandal and get people to talk about him. It's not okay that he didn't talk to you before making that video after all the public tought that you were in a good relationship.

[@BrandonGraham]

Same here. I started following Jared right before he rebranded to FroKnowsPhoto. He was covering the important stuff and seemed genuinely interested in educating people. But after a couple years, he did start showing a mean streak. I'm honestly surprised that he doesn't have more subs. He looks to be playing the youtube game pretty well.

[@Luna-cf3op]

That part is nailing exactly what Jared is really aiming for, more hits more earnings on KZbin and not the real winner that should be Photography if he is really interested in that.

[@Biker_Gremling]

Jared Polin is not in great relationship with anybody unless he can get something out of it.

[@dennisvance4004]

You have my admiration for the fact that you use this as a teaching opportunity rather than being defensive. It says a lot about your expertise, your experience and your temperament.

[@MagnumVideos]

Classy response, Tony.

[@26point2madness]

Please stop using common sense, logic and evidence backed support. It confuses me as I rarely hear it on the internet.

[@carly9355]

adamar 26.2madness 😂

[@jko5070]

A calm, reasoned response to the spaz. Very nice. Dead pan “I am dead inside”. Awesome

[@jimmyhinAK]

Lost respect for Jared but he doesn’t know me and probably doesn’t care.

[@martindalpe.photography]

your choice, can't argue, but if you look closely, so far all other photographer on youtube agree with Jared.... and I do too, on the technical side of it... you may not like the style of Jared, but on that case, 95% of his reply was accurate.

[@jimmyhinAK]

I don’t disagree with what was said just how it was done.

[@martindalpe.photography]

totaly agree with you , and now I think you just nail the problem . :)

[@jimmyhinAK]

Martin Dalpé yeah I am not a pro photographer. I hope to maybe sell some stock photos at some point. It is confusing when the pros disagree like that on a platform where allot of beginners come for guidance. They are human like us but I think pros have an obligation to act a certain no matter what your profession. Just my humble opinion!

[@martindalpe.photography]

Totaly agree. and that is what I think it's important, having both Tony and Jared and all the others, saying what they think, then you can make your own assessment ( That's what I draw from Tony's video ). and all the comment in both video just did not see that... if only they can see our replys.... they would see the light . :)

[@ZYNND]

This is why I unsubscribe to Fro. He's a bully!

[@highgroundproductions8590]

ZYNND no he's not

[@tylerdx123]

did the same

[@beatnickPL]

And a douche

[@Don-C.L.]

Not so much a bully, but eccentric, which can rub a lot of people the wrong way. He's more of Jake Paul than Donald Trump in photography. He's not a perfect Jake Paul, which is a good thing, but it is saddening that he does fall into that spectrum.

[@davidrobine5350]

I found this debate/argument rather clarifying. It was good to get different viewpoints expressed, even polemically, in that it gave me the opportunity to view something I didn’t understand from another perspective. I dig both channels and find both of you very informative and will continue to watch both and learn from both of you.

[@FinalManaTrigger]

I've noticed a few photographers coming together and collaborating on their respective youtube channels, but I've never seen anyone working with Fro. Hmm, wonder why...

[@zagan1]

He doesn't want others on his channel in case it lifts their profile too much. Matt granger had tried doing a collaborative video but didn't go into details but simply said Jarod doesn't bother doing any of that stuff. So I guess Jarod was only doing it to pick up more subs or something.

[@martindalpe.photography]

look closer, they are a lot, the famous one is Kelby

[@theizza68]

Controversy = views, what Jared Polin has wet dreams over.

[@DavidVogt]

Excellent video, Tony. Thanks for standing up for those on smaller budgets. $50 may not be a lot of money for some, but for millions it’s the difference between eating and not eating.

[@NoName-rg3np]

Unsubbed from Jared's channel about a year ago because he's got some strong opinions about things I disagree with and he tends to troll hard. I've, also, been watching your guys videos for a long time, and love your approach to teaching and rarely ever find anything wrong with what you say when it comes to the technical side of things.

[@crawfish91]

@ Jon Kleis ... amen on both accounts. Jared is just too critical on some things. He really turned me off years ago with a video that had "If you think this is a GREAT PHOTO, it's not. Here's Why". clickbait to the core. I watch him mostly for entertainment nowadays. Northrup gives both views, both sides of the story.

[@NoName-rg3np]

Crawfishies right!

[@epion33]

I've tried to like jared's videos, I just couldn't do it. And the fact he has such a big following pains me.

[@07wrxtr1]

there's a whole generation that loves the flashy IN YOUR FACE approach to everything

[@chefwawa]

I just unsubscribed from Jared Polin’s channel because he lacks class and doesn’t know how to enter into a civilized debate. Thank you Tony & Chelsea for your informative videos.

[@mazingerz7474]

Leonid Alexander MEEE TOOOO

[@duncanwallace7760]

same here!

[@otnielchillon362]

Why? Two different people with two different approach. None of them are related or family (I think) to us. They are humans giving opinions online,making a living out of the viewers. I watch them both but I'm not in love with them nor they are essential to my living. I think that difference of ideas, personality and approach to a given topic or situation is fine and should be welcome.

[@pablo9364]

Leonid Alexander lacks class? LOL

[@otnielchillon362]

@ThePParadigm I don't understand your statement. "voted for Trump"?...What?

[@yuliankaradzhov]

What a classy response haha! I’ve never really liked Jared, he likes to show off the things he “knows” and always seems kind of annoyed...

[@TooManyKangaroos]

ImYulian he's knowledgeable but arrogant

[@shahzebnasir4692]

He's a trash photographer. Doesnt matter how 'knowledgeable' he is.

[@TooManyKangaroos]

+Shahzeb Nasir I haven't seen his photos, but it wouldn't surprise me. he's good at trashing others though

[@shahzebnasir4692]

Go watch his video called airshow photo critique. Jared loves critiquing others but can't handle even the slightest criticism from one of the best airshow photographers there is on his photos.

[@DelsquarePhotovideo]

Shahzeb Nasir man i do aviation photography and every single photo he took was trash.

[@brandonmcbride4350]

Whoever this guy is, you pissed off my man Tony. And thanks for looking out for the photo enthusiast

[@simproniomedenilla6411]

you and chelsea are my idols tony.... very brainy and polite.... Keep awesome!!

[@denoall]

I like Jared & Tony however I can see Jared doing this just for views...totally his style.

[@juiceplanet147]

I disagree Jared isnt Tony he has not filter. In he shouldn't is only photography.

[@cragar24]

Tony, I love all of your Videos and tutorials, I've learn so much useful information. Can wait to get your book. This video in particular is fantastic! People are different. You're a real class act! Keep up the Great Work you do! Craig F.

[@ianterada6821]

Thanks for such a polite, nuanced, and logical response to Jared's video. I just feel like he misunderstood you, or wanted to misunderstand you :/

[@maximilianmin1786]

its pretty clear that tony fucked up and jared was making a valid point, and definitely not taking his thoughts out of context - he just fucked up

[@martindalpe.photography]

agree

[@acrinacrin6925]

To tell your own opinion is different, to bring other youtubers' names and opinions to define yourself is different. Trying to create a mess to get more viewers is beyond me!

[@martindalpe.photography]

even if Tony got anoyed by Jared post, People that follow both create the mess, not them, if we where not there, it would only be two peson with different opinion and facts. like the capitalisme model, if enough people stop bying a product, that product will stop being produce.

[@markwilkey6522]

Tony - Incredibly well-put. Though I have been an avid photographer for decades and have a wall full of photography books (including some of yours), I subscribe to and watch ALL of your videos because I enjoy your articulate, thoughtful and concise presentation of information. You do a great job of covering not only about things I am quite familiar with, like DSLR's, Photoshop and Lightroom, but also things I would like to know more about like aerial photography using quads or possilby moving to a smaller, mirrorless camera. I have, in fact, found myself playing one of your videos to my spouse rather than attempting to explain photographic concepts to her. (If only I can use your video to convince her that I really NEED that DJI Phantom 4 Pro). By contrast, I find Jared's videos to be loud, bombastic and filled with more sound than information. Your gentility and civility in responding to what appears to be an effort by Jared to boostrap his KZbin presence through a manufactured "dispute" with you is the icing on the cake. Very much appreciate what you and Chelsea are doing. Please keep it up!

[@armangunpla409]

Just subscribed with you today after seeing jared polins video about this. Though this issue was already a year ago. But, I'll say this is a very professional way responding to your critics. I really admire and respect your restraint sir.

[@paulinefollett3099]

Well said Tony, I totally agree with you. If I want to learn about photography I will go to your channel first. Unfortunately Jared is going down the path of deliberately being controversial in order to grab peoples attention. Also I was not happy when he said some information was free, yet when I went to source that information a screen came up asking for my credit card details. I was not happy. I have friends that love photography and are on pensions. They could never afford to shoot RAW because to buy an extra card and storage is beyond their budget. They are very satisfied shooting jpeg and are getting some nice shots. I shoot RAW but I would never criticize those who don't. Thank you Tony for maintaining such a high standard. I am impressed that you have remained professional throughout this, which shows me that you are a person of integrity.

[@VictorRay]

A classy response Tony! I love this.

[@AlanBrockImages]

Pauline Follett They can afford a camera but not a larger memory card???

[@MousemanLV]

I'm a student and i shoot RAW. I can process my images just fine on my gaming pc and RAW allows me to extract more data when I do the first part of my edit. I host all of my images either on my local hdd or upload them on google drive. ez

[@bobsouzan]

Pauline Follett ii

[@erichan3795]

This too measured and thoughtful for the masses. Challenge him to a TLC match at Wrestlemania and settle this like red blooded Americans.

[@timothycmasterson]

Haha, I disagree. Tony's a classy dude and should stay that way. "FroW kNows FotO" is just a loud, annoying fool.

[@hanktray]

Tables ladders and cameras

[@teresaj1937]

I highly respect your professionalism. Real and honest information is what’s needed, not irrelevant banter. Practicality, and logic,will always prevail. Kudos!!

[@simon_patterson]

Polin originally used his negativity against Ken Rockwell to get publicity with his raw vs jpeg shtick. Clearly he hasn't grown up since back then. In contrast, your raw vs jpeg video was very clear, classy and thoughtful, as is all your content.

[@aligalipdedeoglu168]

Simon Patterson, your comment is so true

[@aligalipdedeoglu168]

Ken was around before anyone else on KZbin today

[@tinderbox218]

בן ברייב What on earth are you talking about? I hope that's just a joke.

[@AlbertKel]

Simon Patterson yes you are right tony and ken Rockwell seem to be at the same page when it comes to knowledge

[@holden_tld]

ken rockwell is a pretty cool guy, he takes photos and doesn't afraid of any polins.

[@dgreen6686]

I really liked this response video. I've always liked both channels and I've learned A LOT from both of you (for free). But lately I've been questioning the motives behind Fro's videos, as it seems like I'm watching a paid advertisement vs. someone's true opinion on a product or service. This video really cements what I suspected, that Fro's now all about clicks, views and sponsorship's vs. educating and helping the photography community. Very well done and very classy Tony!

[@JAMESCHRIS27]

such a classy response. now that's the attitude of a person that starting photographers or just basically everyone should emulate. very professional

[@Breeg2011]

You and Jared Polin are entirely different personalities. Jared Polin is more of an entertainer and also has a way to explain basic concepts to beginners in a way that they can understand. This is also why I would rather recommend his channel to beginners than yours. Plus, in a way I find his passion infectious! You on the other hand have a much calmer approach in your videos. Yes sure, sometimes you also show an etertainingly dry humour, but your calm approach that combines both artistic, but also technical aspects. In fact I wouldn’t be surprised if you were able to let’s say calculate the depth of field of a photo you are about to take by actually using the underlying mathematical formular! Anyway, I hope that you two will be able to settle your differences so that the both of you can concentrate on photography again. Both you and him have a lot to offer there.

[@animalsperspective4298]

Jared really did this? Wow... His channel must be sinking for him to use THIS topic as click bait. So sorry Tony and Chelsea. You both are so appreciated for your perspectives and knowledge.

[@maximilianmin1786]

it was a joke when he said it was clickbait duh

[@animalsperspective4298]

Maximilian Min I respect your opinion but I don’t think it was a joke... Jared actually did use Tony’s photo in the thumbnail and name in the title and the description. That means that people searching for TONY (not Jared) will still come across Jared’s video and watch it. Hence it actually was clickbait.

[@Th3Gr33k]

I assume you mean Jared?

[@djack41]

Jared needs to get a life. Good job Tony.

[@seevladimir]

I almost never comment on any videos on KZbin including your videos but I have to say this is the most intelligent and adult response I’ve ever heard, especially considering those people who can’t always afford buying things as “inexpensive” as a fast SD card.

[@trevorbrowne4631]

WOW!! Tony, you're an absolute gentleman. Thanks for taking the time to do this. It cleared up a lot of what he was ranting about. Keep doing your thing.