Joe Rogan | The Truth About Streaming w/The Black Keys

[@grantkaye38]

This aged well

[@adam04]

IKR 🤣🤣😂🤣😂😂😂😂🤣😂😂

[@sumuqh]

Really well

[@drowningin]

Why? What happened

[@johnm3902]

@@drowningin joe signed a huge deal with Spotify

[@davaochat]

Joe has said worse things about spotify back then with other guests haha

[@navmanshack1579]

Patrick has one of those faces where you can really tell what his mother looks like

[@TheCentralflorida]

Holy crap....this comment is hilariously astute.

[@williammelvin]

Ha ha fucking hell

[@illnicky5704]

This might be the funniest YT comment I have ever read

[@MG-yv8dr]

😂

[@noahharrington8883]

That's a banger of a joke

[@Christopher-md7tf]

Really appreciate Dan's perspective and input on this one.

[@LeahEstella]

😆😆😆

[@SammyBlanny]

I started my CD collection in 2007, I'm still collecting CDs to this day. I've got a kick-ass hifi system and I can sit and listen to albums for hours

[@johnszczerba9979]

Joe has had other rock stars on his podcast and they never explained how Spotify pays the artist as well as this guy did.

[@shafsteryellow]

Well he's wrong about tidal. They pay the most in royalties.

[@TheChipMcDonald]

Unfortunately musicians don't have a lobby.

[@Noneyobusiness7822]

wah wah wah i wrote a song i need millions. stfu

[@cxoolio]

Travis Rose Well if you pour your soul into something that resonates with millions of people, than of course you want to get what you earned. Just cause you have no talents that anyone gives a shit about doesn’t mean you have to be bitter 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@ChazWick4]

Because most rock stars that Joe interviews are well into their age where actual record sales made them rich, and even now they're still collecting hundreds of thousands of dollars from streams. It's the newer indie bands that are getting screwed over the most

[@lonelyboi2401]

7:06 as a north dakotan, this is false, we have a town tower for connection. schedule an appointment and you can climb to the top and have connection for a couple minutes to download things and watch things, I'm about 100 feet in the air right now watching this video and I'm offended

[@harshalexander8437]

As a fellow North Dakotan I can confirm this is true

[@rjcredicott1977]

Shoutout to Minot. Too bad they just got rid of their movie stores lol

[@justinprovonche8031]

I'm from williston I had to barter a gallon of crude oil for this podcast lol

[@lonelyboi2401]

@@justinprovonche8031 I gave someone my snowmobile to have his share of internet for a couple months, going to sell off the internet time for a new sled

[@ScottyGMusic]

That stretch between Harvey and Velva is actually rough for the internet and phone service.

[@bobdick815]

should be titled "interview with Patrick from the black keys while Dan smokes a joint and listens in."\

[@EvanReichert]

bob dick lmao that’s literally all he did the whole interview

[@theNickRYG]

I'm glad. A lot of people still focus on singers as the main voice of the band itself, but in a 2-piece like them, its equal. So I think it's really cool to hear the drummer who doesnt sing get some good speaking time.

[@bobdick815]

@@theNickRYG I enjoyed what he had to say I just found it humorous.

[@wades2132]

Lol the whole podcast

[@positifflight8592]

I am a creative person who is super chatty, and my best collaborations are with people who are quiet and balance me out. It's probably why they make such a good creative force, their yin and yang. Also, hell yes I love it when the lead singer isn't the chatty one.

[@spiritlevelstudios]

So it started out free for all, and the artists get nothing. Now, it costs money for all, and the artists get nothing.

[@gallectee6032]

@Fishheadmandible They probably would if it's a 360 deal. Which is what a lot of them do now. Basically, we'll help you a little bit, but we'll take basically everything, see your payment is popularity and fame. This is legitimately how they see it. Exposure is your payment.

[@HeardItOnTheX]

@@gallectee6032 There’s no touring though. So artists have to be almost 100% reliant on merchandise sales right now. Why be a musician when you could just start a T-shirt company and not have to give a major label 65c on the dollar?

[@AmariLeone]

@@HeardItOnTheX Because who's gonna buy your shirt unless you're a musician? That's why record labels can keep screwing people because they know they can (in most cases) gate keep people from the masses & in-turn money.

[@wesleystafford8521]

What nobody ever talks about is how much of the streaming revenue is the LABEL keeping. You don't hear small indie artists complaining about how much streaming doesn't pay.

[@NOSE-em2xb]

Record companies are the problem. They abuse the copyright system screwing artists over. Musicians need to be paid for their hard work.

[@mikemccabe1594]

Fuck this World Series Shit - Said No Cubs Fan Ever 🤦‍♂️

[@Dereliction2]

Copyright is completely broken and getting worse and more corrupt as time goes on. It needs to be addressed but the the giant media companies who really benefit from how they've engineered it are going to put up a terrible shit-fit over attempts to reform it.

[@Pacebeats]

spotify pays artists who have no connection to record companies just as shitty as they do ones on deals. your comment is some fake woke shit

[@zamiel3]

@@Dereliction2 How do you think copyright is completely broken, specifically in reference to music?

[@zamiel3]

@IAF MB how are they abusing the copyright system to screw the artist over? What artists? What was in the contract the artist signed? Are you guessing?

[@Spaztar]

Patrick Carney has a great radio voice, he could absolutely have a second career as broadcast presenter whenever the Black Keys breaks up.

[@radiowithoutastation9579]

Spaztar Terrestrial radio is done. Patrick is too smart to get into radio.

[@gbombz]

@@radiowithoutastation9579 And smart enough to get into podcasting

[@bobz0r]

He has a monthly ~1hr music show on Sirius called Sirius Boredom and he plays some pretty cool music on it

[@Holmnielsen-]

Agreed, I could listen to him talk for hours

[@matthewbeat]

I wish all musicians were this interesting to listen to.

[@digisuboob]

Billy Corgans interview was damn good as well. Really noticing the guys with a few years behind em are the ones filled with wisdom and balance.

[@joebodynobody764]

I love CDs. I like to read liner notes. I've always loved the album artwork. I appreciate ownership of a tangible item.

[@Prototyp3m1nd]

I love the art as well, but there are enough things I do to fk up the planet, so I've given up buying hard copies of digital media. If they switch to all bioplastics and renewable paper sources I'm more than happy to go back. Everyone has choices to make, but why not make the easy changes where you can?

[@brettanomyces7077]

The audio quality is better too. Plus, you can re-sell a cd. You can't do that with a digital download.

[@sigvaldithor]

@@Prototyp3m1nd i read an enviromental study earlier this year that estimated that CDs and streaming services have the same enviromental impact. Spotify and other services have such a high and constant power usage and ofc they have to build and maintain giant server farms that are not good for the enviroment.

[@dcrea9416]

Even though I don't buy CD's anymore, I agree. There was something special about buying the physical copy, taking it home, put it in the player and sit down to look at the artwork and notes and read the lyrics as the song was playing. It was much more personal and I like that it required an effort on the part of the listener.

[@manicmurph]

Me too. I'd much rather have a physical copy of an album than some digital download.

[@AJ-xv7oh]

CDs are dying yet they are priced the same. Ridiculous.

[@killar1one]

what really? some cds these days are like £5 on amazon for me which i think is very cheap

[@Sporacle]

McLovin really let himself go, but good points McLovin I hear you.

[@mordy2v]

We need to keep buying physical media copies like cds and blu-ray. When you buy a song or record online, that purchase can dissappear. It's not permanent. If you love it, get the disc

[@liltree8382]

mordy2v Hell No what is this the 1970s i rather just search it up

[@amadrigable]

nah, fuck that

[@Cin3mattic]

@@liltree8382 you are missing his point. He didnt express what he meant very well, but when you buy physical copies, your support for the artist's you enjoy a little bit more

[@LoPan1985]

mordy2v That’s why I love records! It sounds better & you learn about the band from the rest of their record!

[@lewhitey2544]

Boomer

[@ltdowney]

Streaming and iTunes and such may be bad for popular music, but they’re amazing for classical music, because there isn’t this whole industry around it with executives and account managers and promoters. The original gramophone hurt classical music and helped popular music, because up to that point, all music was experienced live. Now it’s ironic that new music technologies may be reversing this trend of the last 100-150 years.

[@kiwilad1361]

You only have to listen to a song for 30 seconds for the artists to get paid on Spotify. That's why rappers nowadays only make 2 minute songs as oppose to rappers in the 90's having 3 verses.

[@worldisfilledb]

You're a moron

[@SA-5247]

People that think current rap in 2019 is good are the same people that think the government solves problems instead of creates them.

[@worldisfilledb]

@@SA-5247 bro shut up with that crap lol

[@ybnalex9628]

S A not everything is good just like not everyone was good in the 90’s there are plenty of good artist you just have to look past the mainstream ones.

[@jensejense]

Nah, they don’t think about government solving or creating problem. They think about sitting in a car and lip sync to some shitty mumble rap while making a snap video. And it’s all shallow shit.

[@thegreatbambino7421]

I stream The Black Keys every. single. day. Thank you for Spotify for the FACT I listen to these guys. I would PAY The Black Keys right now!! But how? I buy their Tickets when they play in Cleveland. 330

[@calebmaceachern3598]

Kevin?

[@md-nv4rg]

idk buy their records

[@thewickets1]

@@md-nv4rg The record label they're with would probably still get most of the proceeds if you buy the physical record. Seeing them live is the way to go. You support them and get get a good time out of it!

[@KevonialJemonathoy]

Caleb MacEachern yup

[@theundead1600]

Shows pay bands the best.

[@rockoutkids]

So if I actually want to support artists, buy merch? Lol.

[@bbbbbbb51]

Buy merch and go to concerts. That's where they see the most $.

[@Unders]

Merch, Patreon, Limited Vinyl, Kickstarters, Direct downloads instead of iTunes

[@wrighj]

@@Unders patreon lol

[@Justabigbeaver]

Yes buy all the merch

[@deldia]

These guys are rich. Go watch them live.

[@JakeSmith-cr6dy]

I got to disagree with him on being an idiot to buy a physical CD. A physical copy is tangible. I can sell it or let a friend borrow it and I actually OWN it. You do not actually OWN the digital copies you buy through iTunes or Google. Not too long ago people were finding movies they bought on iTunes were deleted from their library when Apple stopped hosting the movies on their platform.

[@edwinortiz1262]

You can literally throw a digital copy on a cd

[@julianlawrence1648]

Buying the cd/vinyl/cassette of you favourite music is the best carbon capture technology we have. Streaming and downloading are unsustainable.theconversation.com/music-streaming-has-a-far-worse-carbon-footprint-than-the-heyday-of-records-and-cds-new-findings-114944

[@husq2100]

Edwin Ortiz but it’s not the same sound quality unless HD and there is very few (in the scheme of things) HD digital files. The average CD sound quality is superior to the average download

[@GVZKeys]

husq2100 that is not true

[@theundead1600]

@@husq2100 not true i can write hd quality cd. Drm is one reason streaming services want to have ownership not you. The i tunes thing is very real early warning sign of things coming. All digital media means you own nothing unless its a pirate copy.

[@mossadon]

Did everyone forget about Bandcamp ? It's one of the fairest platforms out there and it's artist driven. Buy digital or vinyl/CD/Tape. Get digital access on all purchases added to your account. Profit split DIRECTLY to the artists / labels and you aren't trapped in the bullshit streaming platforms net that sends all it's money to shareholders while labels and publishers make sure Big Name artists get paid fuck tons while small artists, like the guy said, get stiffed with a few hundred $ a year for thousands of plays which SHOULD be thousands of PURCHASES. Music industry hasn't changed that much outside of digital streaming... Major labels still fuck everyone over until you make it BIG and control every other traditional delivery services like cable music channels and radio and award shows where exposure is needed to expand your fanbase. Plus now record labels want / take a cut of your touring merch and ticket sales. Major labels haven't broken a new style of music or the artists that make it since the late 80's.

[@GrowingDownUnder]

thought I was the only person who uses bandcamp, but be quiet don't tell anyone else about it currently the only platform besides soundcloud that youtube and facebook algorithm doesn't pick up copyright. Basically if everyone starts using bandcamp the copyright would ruin that too eventually. As a dancer it's our job to dance to copyrighted music and we can't even upload videos with music in the background because of copyright bs so finding music that isn't copyrighted or findind other ways around copyright is the only option we have. Copyright will put dancers out of business soon even though it should be fair use under creative commons law that allows a dancer to use the music for fair use.

[@GrowingDownUnder]

@TheRealMrMcCoy shhh it's a secret

[@melanieenmats]

@@GrowingDownUnder Interesting perspective. Honestly in this debate I hadn't even thought about dancers and how it affects them.

[@LeonMusicm]

best platform for artist and everyone

[@redshift912]

@@GrowingDownUnder they need a better app and search feature

[@ncrmh]

"the same dudes that were at our first shows with their arms crossed." aaahhhhahahahahaha

[@pavlovsworld9122]

Hey joe. Would u plz check out ur lower neck. It looks swollen. Not seen that before. Just caring and ya bro✌🙏

[@joshe2178]

There was a dude on that flip or flop show who also had a lump on his neck spotted on TV by a nurse and it turned out to be cancer, get checked Joe! www.today.com/news/how-hgtv-star-tarek-el-moussas-cancer-spotted-fan-changed-t58226

[@cwg2432]

I can’t stop looking at it

[@bryanguilford5807]

Lol omg

[@eduardochavez82]

Doubt he reads these but hope Jamie does and brings it up to him

[@rumham2834]

He's just a thick necked corn fed S.O.B lol.

[@bobtony6036]

who is here after spotify deal

[@Shane6893]

HAHAHHAHA NAILED IT!!! ME TOO!!!

[@RudyAmid]

Napster was killed by Steve Jobs' iTunes. iTunes was killed by streaming services.

[@fuegococoa]

How did streaming kill iTunes when Apple Music and iTunes existed at the same time for years

[@JohnnyGingy]

Apple Music is better than Spotify

[@cl20999]

He's right, streaming hurt iTunes sales so they created Apple Music to keep up. Netflix and Hulu hurt iTunes video purchases so they just created TV Plus, just what happens with tech advancements.

[@DrummerJacob]

Video was killed by the radio star. Sad day.

[@ScruffMcDuff45]

I did not have sexual relations with that woman - Bill Clinton ft. Limewire

[@greencylinder1234]

“I did however log on to WWW. .....” ahhhh the disappointment when your download ended up being this

[@IntiMaldonado]

For the last 5 years I've been working on developing an solution for independent artists via a platform I'm building called Musicpher. After all this time I can def tell you that unfortunately successful musicians are the least able to understand the actual economics and advantages of the streaming model, because they have been kept in the dark by all the middle man (or women) that exists between them and their royalties. I know for a fact now, and based on actual data collected all this time from Independent unknown local artists that the streaming model could be super profitable when killing the sharks in the middle. And I'm assuming that the DSPs (Spotify and the rest) have no choice but to keep the silence or lose the major artists controlled by the labels.

[@Faizaud]

I drive an 05 Camry. I need my Cd, thx. Lol

[@Peglegkickboxer]

2002 kia here, still can play tapes lol

[@Sir_Robin_of_Camelot]

Get an aftermarket radio lol. I'm rocking one in my '99 Saturn

[@alexreckard7303]

If it has a cigarette lighter, you can get a Bluetooth adapter and stream music via the fm radio transmitter

[@christupper0]

Ryan M I’m old school Can’t give up on 💿

[@mrcontroversy222]

chris tupper wack

[@faceless2056]

I still like buying cds. I like the artwork.

[@babyduck9217]

Faceless ya its usually if im in a random record store and i see a used CD of an album i like for cheap, ill buy it cause i like to have that fold out artwork. i just think its neat.

[@charliedebunc6289]

My favorite song from The Black Keys is “Psychotic Girl”

[@jasonprice5289]

Everlasting light or set you free, are mine

[@muckcityog8985]

Heavy Soul

[@SeanRIbrahim]

Joe Rogan signed with Spotify today

[@wadesuhr]

Call me stuck in the 90's but I still love CDs. Also been a Black Keys fan since seeing them live in 2008 at Minnesota State Fair. They opened for The Black Crowes. Never heard of them before that.

[@Camlification]

6:50 Unless you like the physicality of CD's. I think there's something more satisfying about having something tangible. It helps you appreciate your collection and the work that went into the music and artwork, etc. But this is coming from a guy that doesn't listen to a ton of bands. I suppose if your goal is to constantly look for new things to listen to CD's could be overwhelming.

[@lebronjames7041]

75% of people dont do that bro:(

[@Camlification]

I'm just trying to defend the minority LOL

[@slashtrio]

Love joe, but he doesn’t seem to understand the whole sell out phenomenon with “alternative” types of music. As an indie band you might maintain a loyal fan base that sticks with you regardless of pop trends, but if you go mainstream you may have great success for a while until that fad / pop genre ends, meanwhile your loyal fan base has abandoned you for being a “sell out” and the mainstream fans have moved on to the next big thing.

[@HelloWorld-lg1pz]

joes kind of a goddamned meat head with no real sense of up or down but he loves him some good jivetalk ya dig

[@SuperMisteryMan01]

That’s evidently what’s happening to hip hop Rn and that’s so sad to see it’s such an amazing n unique genre that I hope sum sort of movement comes and pushes it farther than what it is now It’s too much pop rap artist coming out and jus really making it seem like the new unauthentic pop in a way

[@gators9570]

I think they’re a bit in denial though. Like the black keys blew up and received pretty widespread play. Gold on true ceiling, tighten up etc. are well known songs even to pop listeners. I’m sure their concerts draw pretty mixed crowd with people who are just there cause they recognize the name and a couple of songs and then genuine fans. I guess it obviously hasn’t ruined it for them but they’re not hidden whatsoever

[@jessgarbanzobean]

Maximum Effort ramones wrote some of the poppiest punk that’s ever been written, and covered the poppiest songs ever written, and then went onto SELLOUT every show they played. but the leather jackets and long hair were pretty edgy for the time so it was all good.

[@joey9511]

Problem with indie rock is its mostly listened to by hipsters who only listens to music because you haven't heard of them

[@Jocelyn12700]

I didn’t expect the “gold on the ceiling” guy to look like a mid-forties suburban dad named Melvin

[@ShawnWi]

Jocelyn Hill 😂😂😂 Gold on the ceiling is my “I’m bout to do some awesome shit today!” Theme song

[@Avisae]

Should listen to The Arcs, another project Dan did when they took a break for black keys. also no need to place expectations on the creators just enjoy their work for what it is. but these guys have been in the game for a while now so

[@NeverSaySandwich1]

These guys have a great perspective on this. Makes me really solidify them as my favorite band

[@GodotOfficial]

Anyone else here after the death of the Joe Rogan Experience?

[@user-su1xk3mv2b]

Rip JRE

[@billy6044]

Rip jre

[@Ryanthesoul]

I think ive seen this before. Did this happen already? Dejavu

[@87matheo]

Red Panda steven Tyler talked about It

[@acehilm.]

Eternal reoccurrnce. Look up Loop Theory. I thought I'd seen this before, and I have, just not in this life time.

[@Omar-yi2mv]

Bro I was thinking the exact same thing...

[@noahziegler3478]

Michael M 😳

[@Ryanthesoul]

@@87matheo i remember that now thanks

[@QuitYourCryin]

Well actually, Jimm iovine of Interscope records as well as Dr Dre were very freaked out immediately from Napster, and shortly after that iTunes was born from Apple. And that was the first huge place to legally buy music.

[@HelloWorld-lg1pz]

yes, music has always been illegal to buy until Apple made it legal...lulz

[@NathanJennings1222]

I'm one of those weird (usually Gen Xers) who buys my MP3s. I don't like having to be "always connected" to listen to music. So I buy the MP3s (from Amazon or Bandcamp) and copy them from my PC to my MP3 player. That way if my connection craps out or the service yanks the song I can still jam out.

[@MetriKKarMa]

@@NathanJennings1222 You do realise you can store music on your phone.

[@NathanJennings1222]

@@MetriKKarMa Yeah, but I don't want Silicon Valley knowing every time I take a shit. I leave my phone at home and check my messages when I get back. Just like with old landline phones up through 2003.

[@friedabz]

Never heard of this guy, but he looks like Mclovin in his 40's

[@brentonbell1014]

TIL McLovin is a young Bernie Sanders

[@lowclasscrucifix4825]

the first three or four black keys albums are SOLID solid no frills blues rock albums, they dont remake the wheel. but they are great listens.

[@dylanmounsey7515]

They make dope shit

[@HigherPlanes]

lol

[@HighlanderRick]

I bet you've head their music before. You should check em out.

[@RichardLea1979]

Never understand why big bands use record labels nowdays Go Direct, and release it on streaming services

[@giggiesurge]

Remember that indie Radiohead release? Straight to the website, straight to the consumer. I feel like young artists aren't aware of how powerful they are. That dude who made The Room movie got on one of the most important billboards and people think they cant get that on their own. Even if you don't have thousands to spend on stuff that big you can still cater to that small town fan base. There are thousands of people who prefer to only support artists that are really about it and are out there hustling. There's so many little tricks artists are overlooking.

[@grimblegromblethegnome]

I still buy cd's regularly thank you very much. High quality audio is popular and cd provides that!

[@stuffpunk]

Great conversation and super interesting. Thing that trips me out Joe and crew, all the bottled water. You have a seriously rad studio, water delivery is cheap why not have glasses and mugs with yer logo on em or Onnit or show sponsors. I'm sure it means something to you? Keep up the good fuckin work, daily listener and watcher.

[@dancehallneil6989]

I must be an "idiot" with my cds and records 😢

[@patricklester-rourke1396]

Dancehall Neil Nah man lots of people like having something tangible to hold. Plus seeing some liner-notes and additional art is cool. Keep reppin physical!

[@uncreativepanda]

He just means that the average consumer isn't going to buy a CD when you can just stream it.

[@prestoneric6705]

Hey I bought a few records and don't even own a record player lol

[@stephenmahlstedt7276]

I totally get Patrick’s point about CDs and where the money is at in the industry, but I still think there will always be a market for physical media like CDs and vinyl. I grew up with vinyl, and then like most folks my age moved on to cassettes, CDs, iPod/MP3 and eventually steaming services. For me, there is just something with physical media that a stream or digital file can never fully replace. I guess the primary reason is that I want to own the music that means a lot to me. I take great pleasure in curating my music collection (mostly vinyl with some CDs), much like some folks collect books, comic books and art. I know I can technically “own” digital music that lives in cloud storage or on streaming services, but it just doesn’t feel the same to me. I love discovering albums that have a deep impact on me, and deciding which ones to purchase, take care of and store properly makes me feel more connected to each album. If someone comes to my house, they might look through my collection to see what kind of music I’m into, and I get a kick out of that. No one gives a crap about my online playlists, and pressing play on my phone doesn’t provide the tactile feel of taking a record carefully out of the sleeve, cueing it up and then sitting back and listening to at least one side of the album. I get how that’s not important to a lot of people. Not everyone is into curating collections or taking care of records. The other aspect that I think is missing from the streaming services and digital files is the creativity involved with the packaging for physical media. I have some beautiful gatefold albums that I treat like works of art. Being able to look at the front and back of the outer sleeve, the design of the inserts or inner sleeves in some cases, and even the label on the records themselves...are all part of the creative vision that band and record label worked on. Yes those same images can be included with a purely digital distribution, but it’s just not the same for me. I want art that physically exists in front of me, and isn’t just 0s and 1s. I still subscribe to multiple streaming services, and I stream music all the time for the sake of convenience or when searching for new music that might find its way into my physical collection, but I will never truly abandon physical media and move 100% over to streaming and digital files. By the way, I still buy DVDs of my favorite movies, too. Haha! Not trying to start a holy war here, as audio format comments typically do. I’m simply sharing my perspective. Cheers, music fans!

[@strongocho]

Honestly though, I think the 30-40 years in history where musicians were crazy rich off selling records was an anomaly and throughout most of human history musicians did it for the love of the art and not because they wanted to be millionaires. I think that the 1950s-1990s was a bubble that was bound to burst and people in 2019 are pipe dreamers for thinking that is how it would always be.

[@sgt4204]

The guitarist and lead singer. Same guy. Veryquiet

[@91besty91]

Dan's been on the the podcast before on his own. Think he was just letting him talk to joe

[@sgt4204]

I did not realize this

[@clarktownsend8991]

@@91besty91 he also likes to let Patrick say all the things he believes, he says it in an intelligent funny way.

[@saltykrug]

I played drums in a swamp metal band, we uploaded our stuff on Spotify. We didn't get tons of streams but, never saw a royalty check. I had friends that bought our CD. We didn't go far with lots of streams like I said but to me, the whole process gets confusing when it comes to publishing. So much paperwork to be an independant band. I wish we'd known who to contact for a tour, we were definitively ready. I was finding that there was no readily available blueprint to get ourselves out there. The more you know...

[@DavidSmith-tj9iz]

I seen The black Keys in a crowd of maybe 200 people in Darwin Australia! Best band to ever go there. And an absolutely amazing gig! The music might not change or „matter“ as joe says, but the location definitely does!

[@CrimsonTide72]

I buy vinyl again for this reason. And most vinyls come with a "free" digital download of the album. So, you still support the artists and get a bad ass vinyl. Nothing will EVER replace the sound of vinyl. I run a headshop and we were playing these fellas before they were ever on a radio or tv. Joe, their sound has definitely changed. But, it is fine to evolve and not have the same exact sound every time. Hell, that's why I hate Coldplay. BUT, these bands need to remember there was a reason their original fans fell in love w their music to begin with. He's right, there is a fine line and being in a Walgreen's radio station when I just seen them on tour in a small venue for this many years in a row, it does something to real fans. At least he's honest.

[@mossadon]

>Happy sigh< Someone who really gets it !!!!! Can i give you a hug ? :D

[@Jacob-wh8nh]

This be hitting different today

[@C_CREATURE_]

This do be hittin differnt tho doesn't it. It's lit right? sorry just flexin my honey mustard makin skillz

[@dubgabriel]

Nielsen Soundscan used to have a policy when counting sales. Independent stores would register as triple sold vs. every record sold in a chain store. Streaming services need to do this for independent artist royalty rates if anything that is not Top 40 is expected to survive and thrive.

[@GrowingDownUnder]

Nobody is going to buy your music without listening to it first and if you're like me you may need to hear the song 10 times before buying it...I want to know if the song can be re-listened to, if the song ages well with time, what the song sounds like, etc..all these things before I think about buying it. So in a way that's why we need spotify to listen to those songs before buying them. Most artists with the most view and sales they all have music on vevo on youtube and people can listen to their music without buying it first. Any artist that complains about spotify they are shooting themselves in the foot because people are more likely to buy your music if they can hear it first on spotify or somewhere else

[@seamac206]

The thing that most (older) people don’t get about streaming is that you’re paying for the option to download high-quality music from a massive library. That’s why they use that word when describing the database of songs because it’s literally like a library.

[@djtaitai]

Cut to Joe shaking hands with the Spotify demons. 🤑🤝👹

[@1337pianoman]

5:51 yes! I've been saying this for years! Current system is ridiculous. Based on how they say they divide the money on their site, they take all the subscriptions and take their 30% cut, then divide the rest between rights holders by dividing their streams by total streams. If true, what that means is you can allocate more money than you paid in your subscription just by listening more than the average person. A quick google suggests that the average Spotify user streams 25hrs a month. If you just had it running 24/7 you are basically allocating 30x what you paid. In other words, you only paid $10, but you're determining who $300 goes to (ignoring Spotify's cut. I guess it's more like 7x30=210) . In other other words, if you publish music on Spotify and you are the sole rights holder for that music, get a paid subscription and have an old laptop you never use stream your shortest track on repeat 24/7 for the easiest $200 you'll ever make. And if that works, set up as many accounts as you like and print money I guess? I actually do wonder if that's legitimately what bigger labels do...

[@marthamryglod291]

As a teenager, file sharing was our way of kinda handing out friends a mix tape that we recorded from the radio, but on our computers. That's. How I was looking at it around y2k

[@coljj4356]

I remember downloading from Napster and was happy to pull speeds of 4.5 Kb/sec. It meant it only took 15 mins to d/l a 128kbps song.

[@Mussido]

I can’t help but be attracted to the physical copy of an album, though. As a connoisseur, when I truly love an album, I love owning that very album and being able to hold it in my hands. When you think about how much goes into the artwork, production notes, and vinyl production, it just feels like such a more vibrant appreciation.

[@Pusfilth]

Sounds like Bert Kreisher without that dumb laugh.

[@AGCcachanilla]

Cant stand that annoying unfunny Joe Rogan parasite sucking the air when he's on, with that OVERDONE "take my shirt off" bit 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

[@Noneyobusiness7822]

love your spread your legs (yoga) vid. lmao 🤣🤣

[@LetsGoGetThem]

I hate that racist guy, his homophobia and support of NSDAP

[@Quadro09]

He's making bank atm. Because people obviously like him. You are all in the minority

[@charlesmendias1062]

I still love my CD's and u can put in ur computer and u have a hard copy.

[@yeetusmymeatus4008]

Any physical copy (CD, DVD A, etc.) of music will ALWAYS have a higher sound quality if played through the right audio set up (ya know, actual speakers?) Streamed music through headphones (or streamed at all) sounds like complete garbage. Just because something is convenient doesn’t mean it’s better.

[@Itsunclegabby]

A lot of folks have computers that don't have disc drives.

[@simonhill6267]

@@yeetusmymeatus4008 there are lossless streaming services using FLAC etc

[@etzael3183]

4:20 they don’t have a macarena coming their way 🤣

[@skottlee8959]

I buy more music since I started using spotify than I ever did before. It's so easy to discover new bands now.

[@teehee186]

CD's are still the highest quality music you can buy actually in 2021. When you stream/download music from online it is compressed into lower quality mp4 format. With studio surround sound speakers you can really tell the difference with certain genres of music.

[@JoolsyB]

No, you don't have songs forever on Spotify. With Premium service and the option to DL the song activated, Spotify can and do remove songs every month with no guarantee they'll ever be back.

[@mossadon]

Exactly.... yer only buying temporary ACCESS to someone else's library via streaming.

[@JoolsyB]

@@mossadon That's a real good way to look at it.

[@missrissa37]

Kazaa Limewire & Napster: when it'd take all night to download 1 file only to find out if it was the actual song, a virus, or bill clinton

[@Mmmmmmmmmmdamgoodmix]

When I build a house I only get paid once, not every time it sells.

[@DanielNavarroJr]

His Chicago Cubs analogy was spot-on. Been a Cubs fan since the mid-80s & after they won the World Series in 2016, EVERYBODY around here was wearing a Cubs cap. Smh.

[@MiserableDuck95]

All vinyl records should include a digital copy of the music as well, so you get easy access to the digital files as well as the physical copy with the artwork and liner notes.

[@KenGaska]

I love Joe and he's a great interviewer but he's so naïve and has a significant knowledge gap when it comes to music and non combat sports. He doesn't even understand the legit point being made at the end. Music audiences are fickle.

[@senyah]

well duh. joe can't know everything a bout everything

[@amygdala5475]

senyah a really great interviewer is well prepared with questions. Sometimes he doesn’t seem to be prepared with deep, challenging questions, especially when his guest is a scientist.

[@jerseymusicman3332]

Hey... are you too fickle to listen to my songs?... they’re decent and they are free to everyone... hope you take a look Holmes. But yes... concur.

[@SweetandFitting]

That's why he's popular. He's the relateable element for his audience.

[@KenGaska]

@@senyah no shit. I'm just pointing out that Joe knows so much about so many things that it's weird he has such a hole when it comes to some pretty common topics. It makes sense but it's still weird to hear.

[@dannyapeshit]

Turns out if you buy a CD and convert it to mp3 on your computer you can also have it "forever". Not just that, you can have it if the internet crashes too.

[@ZigUncut]

Napster approached the labels with the idea to sell tunes but they were turned down. There's a great doc by Alex Winters on the subject. Can't remember the name of it though.

[@carlosarroyo40]

Buying cds is a collectors thing at this point I like buying albums to support artist and collect the disc

[@NewGoldStandard]

I thought full episodes would always be available on KZbin. Maybe someone forgot. I'm sure it will be rectified shortly.

[@Bob.martens]

Joe lied.

[@lynnlynn1689]

future of music will be random generated pop music made by phone apps because no one can afford to do it for a living.

[@BH-fi1sb]

You must be high. You don't think the black keys have money.

[@lynnlynn1689]

@@BH-fi1sb hey try watch the video even the keys say they feel bad for new bands because the money aint there anymore. older or legacy bands will yes duh have money .. but new bands wont thus bring forth the new wave of computer generated half ass efforts

[@EwOLNATION]

Being on a streaming service = people discover you much more easily = people buy your merch and go to your concerts Or you get $0 from me

[@rosalinoeldero1425]

do you pay forr a subscription to a streaming service?

[@EclecticBuddha]

Facts.

[@nGUNNARp]

@@rosalinoeldero1425 most people that use spotify are paying for it, sometimes indirectly through their service provider, sometimes directly...most people don't have the free version of spotify cause it sucks

[@brucesmith3740]

The beatles didnt play live for years. Recordings and concerts should not be linked in audience minds.

[@mattjns]

Nick Peterson 45% of Spotify’s users pay for it.

[@GS-vb3zn]

Why do some people still buy CDs put out by their favorite bands? Sound quality. The sound quality of Spotify and other streaming services sucks.

[@randomtask3539]

And because some people like having physical copies and being charged for a download is downright evil. A download has infinite supply and 0 scarcity therefore it is worth $0, even piracy isn't a good deal it just gives you the download for what it is worth - $0. It is sickening that being charged for a download was accepted. Fat cat bankers have nothing on digital distribution companies in terms of being scum. I buy physical copies of albums I want a physical copy of, pirate everything else. I have some SACDs, I wish SACD got just a tenth of the push digital distribution did. Odd how all brick and mortar media stores whether it be record, video game, video, book stores etc just sat back and let the digital distribution industry have a brainwashing campaign to brainwash people into paying for something that is infinite without ever having a counter campaign, I don't mean to sound like a conspiracy theorist but maybe there is something more to it.

[@thethrashyone]

Hard disagree about CDs: These days it's trivially easy to rip the files onto your PC, convert them to any format you like, and you still have those files forever. And as an added benefit, you'll always have a hard copy to re-rip in the not so unlikely event that you have some catastrophic hard drive failure and lose all your songs, as opposed to having to jump through authentication hoops to re-download your music from Amazon, iTunes or wherever you got it. Plus, any band that's still releasing CDs will, if they're worth their salt whatsoever, include booklets with lyrics, art, author's notes, etc. Those alone are worth the price of a CD, at least in _my_ Sharona. A lot of people really do still enjoy having tangible products.

[@bobmartin760]

The Casbah San Diego- nice mention!

[@jerseymusicman3332]

I so love this interview lol. And Black Keys absolutely rule! I would’ve stayed with you at Walgreens homie. Hell yes.

[@KevinCollects]

I pay $9.99 for Spotify and after watching this video, I’m going to listen to my favorite upcoming artist to support them!(:

[@justing8674]

Remember those old school apps used to give ur computer aids?

[@PineappleStickers]

I get that maybe its not the best "Value" to buy a CD, but as a musician myself i will always buy the hardcopy of an album because i know how much it means to a band to receive that expression of Interest and support

[@christopherbeebe1064]

Obviously fans will buy and stream. The consumer has distain for cabel/satellite companies and big label companies, bipartisan even, ask a trump supporter and ask a liberal. If your art is awesome we will support it. Don't fear the reaper!

[@JCResDoc94]

☼ 7:00 in fact it is annoying to buy non collectible usb or CDs that arent showcasing art or something. these streaming services taking piles of money, and making investments w/that money, then paying fractions - that is the target alright. As it always was.

[@cj8801]

The thing is the streaming service is paying the owners or the music. it's up to the owners to give to the artist not the streaming service.

[@Oborowatabinostk]

I cant put digital copies on my shelf and enjoy the artwork...

[@insomthegreat]

What's art?

[@xohnoezxgaming1402]

Tell that to my hard drive filled with music and art. Literally only have to plug it into my ps4. Digital media. Physical on my external hard drive. And i own it. Just like a cd... its digital on the disc.

[@reginaldstubtoe4185]

so the artists aren't getting paid? now I feel good about pirating everything.

[@andrewmwesigwa1532]

That's not actually what it implies. It implies that you need to meet the band and buy they CD or WebLink.

[@myhandlewastakenandIgaveup]

This is actually why despite using apple music to stream I am slowly buying all the music I listen to digitally from amazon (cheaper than itunes).

[@GoFidoGo]

@@stephenpigot7057 Artists never got paid (at least what they deserved). The "starving musician" trope has been around longer than pirating. The music industry has been shitty to artists since forever.

[@BH-fi1sb]

@dooder broke musicians like Metallica and the black keys your an idiot. How much do they make in one tour?

[@blackspiderman4766]

@@BH-fi1sb #fbi

[@ABCowl]

This guy made I got a feeling, meet me half way, and boom boom pow!

[@bertall1ca]

I never got into The Black Keys. What's the first song I should listen to?

[@oliviermillour7974]

Bertallica Listen to their seminal album “Brothers.” It epitomizes their style and it’s before they got too poppy and mainstream. Every song of that album is gold. Can’t recommend it enough.

[@adrianhuysman3331]

10:49 " haha same dudes at our first shows with their arms crossed" haha, love those snobs! they are always miserable.

[@shanechristie6696]

The reason downloading movies wasn't as big was because the internet was so fucking slow. Now you can get a Bluray rip on release day in 5mins. The big movies I'll still see at the cinema but anything remotely questionable isn't getting my $18 anymore.

[@Uuwwgg]

I recently bought their latest album. In the form of CD!!!!

[@tristramcoffin926]

The part that bugged me about Metallica coming out against Napster wasn't the aspect of artistic property. I get that. When you create something you should yield a profit for it. The part that made Metallica not the proper lobbyists for this was how much they talked about tape trading culture when they first got started. It was organic but the only difference between what Metallica did when they were kids and what kids did when Metallica were rock stars is the technology that was available at the time. Well, those kids are not responsible for that. If you think for 5 seconds like teenage James or teenage Lars wouldn't have been all over Napster downloading every song they could get their hands on if they had just been born 20 years later then I have oceanfront property to sell to you in Nebraska.

[@dannysullivan6454]

That’s a apples and oranges comparison though. In tape trading culture people were still buying music regularly. it was more like a pot luck amongst music nerds, sharing albums or mixtapes they made themselves. It was never a threat to the music industry, because you can only copy a tape a few times before the generation loss makes it unlistenable.

[@idiotsavant7276]

And old town road is making more money than the black keys this year. And when that kid drops off, he’s had zero expenses, the venues and equipment are one night rentals, he’s whole operation consist of packing up a laptop and getting on a flight to the next city. No bus, no band, no roadies, that’s the industry after file sharing, you make all your money at the shows so you better make a hit and sell the venue out.

[@peacepuffz]

Self release your music on Bandcamp and promote it via socal media can be a good look.

[@Thorum13]

But, but, but...I love albums...I love CDs...I'll never stop purchasing them.

[@gbirdo4718]

Lars, James, Kirk and Rob are Musical Legends!

[@Nerdy_The_Punk]

No more stealing then when we used to record songs off the radio or borrow a friend's CD or tape and record it to a tape.

[@JorshWarshington1]

Patrick gets it. He basically described me as a music fan. Every time I hear Hold the Line by Toto, I think of Krogers.

[@ChazWick4]

Not enough people talk about how little Spotify/Apple Music etc pays their artists

[@MalikEmmanuel]

ChazWick4 do Apple or Spotify “have” artists? or do they license music from labels for digital distribution?