Joe Rogan:Mike and Andy TALK about Eddie Gallagher and the UNFAIR TREATMENT he received.

Mike Sarraille is the CEO of EF Overwatch, an executive search and talent advisory firm, and leadership consultant with Echelon Front. He is a former Recon Marine and retired US Navy SEAL officer with twenty years of experience in Special Operations, including the elite Joint Special Operations Command.
mikesarraille.com
Andy Stumpf is a retired Navy SEAL, record-setting wingsuit pilot, BASE jumper, public speaker, and host of the popular podcast "Cleared Hot."
www.andystumpf.com
In this Episode:
Joe Rogan
Jamie Vernon
Mike Sarraille
Andy Stumpf

[@ban80]

And Joe's boy Danny cringeshaw kept him in prison

[@DEVanderbiltCecil]

Gallagher was scapegoated. Why? We should talk.

[@myjeanification]

How about the seal who murdered an army green beret? Maybe the seals need to clean house?

[@williamwatkins6422]

You're right. The Army Rangers don't get this much heat

[@cornpopper4921]

I find it hard to believe that seven of his fellow seals would testify against him without good reason. Why would you risk putting your career on the line?

[@DEVanderbiltCecil]

@@cornpopper4921 Dude. Brass. Otherwise they would be goated, too. That's how this works. Stand with the group or what brass says to do, or go down, too.

[@drsus0]

he wasn't accused by the liberal media or liberals, lets remember he was accused and brought forward BY OTHER NAVY SEALS and please stop sounding as if Eddie is suddenly in a bad place. dude has made TONS of money off his whole thing. and 19 years...we are to assume that the one time they took a picture is the one time he acted like this. out of nowhere, he decided to become the guy that does this sort of thing when he never had before AND a camera just happened to be there. aren't we lucky? c'mon.

[@UnitedStatesofAmerica1984]

Let's not also forget he was not found guilty. He was not pardoned of murder. He was pardoned of the crime of taking a picture with the body.

[@LuckyJim5050]

Amen!! Said what I was thinking!

[@jensgronning4436]

You have no clue what your talking about.

[@juanpablo8886]

Yeah, two dudes that later confessed to have made the whole thing up.

[@drsus0]

@@juanpablo8886 ​​⁠I can get two buddies to say whatever I need them to too. What we need is texts/emails and time stamps … those are receipts , not buddies correlating w you.

[@flexmasterson4297]

Cole’s book lack credibility and was rejected by NBC when he worked for NBC because he had no source of record. Here is the history straight from Cole: “Cole’s superiors told him the story wasn’t ready to air in part because he didn’t have a source on the record, Cole said.” I read the book because, if true, it would be troubling. But as I read the book, it was apparent there are, by my count, at best, 2 unnamed sources for the entire book of claims. And the book is not written as a factual expose but as an opinion piece. I find this kind of book and the people who wrote them particularly evil. One cannot morally or logically throw the entire SEAL program and the sacrifices of its members into a cesspool on the untested allegation of 2 unidentified sources. It is morally outrageous and we know now that the Intercept, where Cole moved when NBC rejected his claims, to be a propagandist’s paradise.

[@ryanrich06]

Have you read Code Over Country? There’s a TON of sources cited in that book. Do you think all of these people are lying? Not to mention a lot of the stuff Cole writes about is public information like the Robert’s Ridge incident with Chapman and Slabinksi. Go listen to the Anti-hero podcast and see what they have to say about people like Rob O’Neil and Marcus Lutrell, and that’s done be an ex Delta guy not some NYT’s reporter. The SEAL teams have a massive accountability issue, and they are far more worried about protecting the SEAL “brand” than telling the truth.

[@Jchasser]

Wow, that's crazy. I listen to him on a podcast, and you know he's got all these stories about how some got bullied or hazed, and then he talks about guys carrying hatches. But he doesn't even say someone killed an innocent man with a hatch just that it symbol of pride and some seals talked about using it. Which on its face is dumb you don't bring a knife to a gun fight. Also I'm sure people got hazed its part of the culture of mens clubs around the world. Now it shouldnt happen but that's far cry from war crimes. But one part I couldn't believe he talked about how he heard a story that if the seal caught the Isis guy who beheaded a journalist who this seal knew. That this seal would cut his head off. Wow someone said he wished harm to someone that killed his friend. Also hearing him justify why just the seal teams why not the us military at large. And his basic answer is vague and makes little since especially given the 3 or so years it took him to write it. Obviously he some sort of distain for the seals and the military at large. Maybe he disagreed with the war on terror and places the blame on the war fighter instead of the political. Im not sure exactly but i don't buy oh well I heard some rumors and the navy seals killed bin laden and so I decided to spend three years of my life writing about 2nd or 3rd hand stories. No doubt the military has problems rapes and drug abuse to name a few but war crimes isn't one them. They happen but its rare he even admits that most war crimes arent happening by infantry forces because the unit is to large for word not to get out immediately. So he assumes that cause seal teams are smaller that they are probably committing one or two ever night. So its not the 18 year old kid just barely passed basic in some hell hole whose friend died in ied who watches American sniper on a loop everyday committing a war crime. Its the most highly trained and scrutinized military unit. Idk about that I guess anything is possible. Also watching him calling killing of Osama bin laden a war crime. Made me sick. If America is so evil and Al Qaeda isnt really that bad. Then go live in Afghanistan. I really do just want to assume good intentions on everyone but this guy reasoning doesn't add up and then to say that about the Osama rsid. That is one of the most successful mission in a decade and been scrutinized to death down which member bullet killed Biden but unannounced to everyone only Matthew Cole discovered the truth that it was a war crime. Truly incredible

[@StateOfChaos]

There are two valid sides to this story that often get railroaded by the political theater surrounding it. One valid side, is that it was crazy to attempt to deny the man the benefits he earned through 19 years of hell on earth service to his country because of a single incident. That should've never been on the table. Don't take away what's already earned. On the other side of things, Eddie Gallagher himself does not deny and has openly admitted since all of this happened, that they were not "rendering medical aid" to the detained teenager. They determined that since he was in the early phase of a slow death, they would literally practice medical procedures on him until he died. So in his waning moments, they more or less tortured him to death based on the assumption he was going to die anyways. They were not trained to do this. Don't make excuses. They were not trained by the U.S. Military to do this, in that example of a situation. Ending his career for it? Yes, valid. Denying him what he earned up to that point in his career? No, that was an attempt at injustice as well which fortunately failed.

[@OnceUponReddit]

That's not true. One gallagher was a trained medic. They also did a cricothyrotomy, which then came out as saying it wasn't needed because he was going to die. But when they did it, they didn't just do it for fun.

[@StateOfChaos]

@@OnceUponReddit I didn't say they did anything for fun. But Gallagher, in his own words, said the what they performed was entirely for their own training benefit and not any actual attempt to save the kids life. And to be fair, they were probably correct in their initial original assessment that he was in fact beyond hope. Someone having a mortal wound doesn't make it ok. Not when its your mother or when its a combatant. Let them die or end it quicker, those are your options.

[@OnceUponReddit]

@@StateOfChaos it happens in the ER everyday

[@StateOfChaos]

@@OnceUponReddit Nothing you say justifies performing it on someone simply because they're dying. That's not the context in which it happens in the ER every day. Good luck finding a single doctor that reports performing unnecessary procedures simply because a "patient" was going to die anyways.

[@jackjack4412]

he's right, you haven't worked in the ER or pre-hospital. what's your point? I don't see it as torture. @@StateOfChaos

[@LuckyJim5050]

They reported on SEALS TALKING ABOUT SEALS, shut up about reporters reporting

[@AM-ef6er]

Nearly everything he talked about in the book was either confirmed or is generally accepted as true

[@greenorangeviolet]

uhhh the documentary was incredible, seems incredibly guilty

[@fermacht213]

Read Dave Phillips book Alpha. Other service members talk about Eddie going into rooftops and just sniping anyone he could see. He was also allegedly called out by a green beret oda for murdering a farmer. Just cause these guys are service members doesn’t mean they are good people.

[@danielgeistzer513]

Yeah, but lot of people don't understand it...

[@travisstaab482]

No that was someone else. It was a whole unit killing farmers. Then one kid called home and told his dad like my unit is going to make me kill a innocent farmer so he wouldn't rat on them.

[@rener44]

Where’s Eyepatch McCain?

[@Spaceman1968]

They accused him of murder was fellow Navy Seals.

[@UnitedStatesofAmerica1984]

Those are toxic individuals in the platoon.

[@Spaceman1968]

@@UnitedStatesofAmerica1984 th entire platoon?

[@jensgronning4436]

@@Spaceman1968 it wasn’t the entire platoon. It was 4 people. Get your facts straight. Eddie is a hero.

[@Spaceman1968]

@@jensgronning4436 that’s debatable. Some reports say as many as 12.

[@stuckie3916]

All witnesses were torn apart on the stand. They lied. We’re proven liars and still allowed to stay in the Navy. Disgraceful.

[@jonjames7236]

“Liberal news media” huh - what about how Dan Crenshaw portrayed him?

[@ban80]

We are just going to ignore that becaue that is Joe's cyclops

[@daebak7370]

​@@ban80 😂

[@bigboss9959]

Dan crenshaw is a lying clown

[@bham311]

I guess you’ve never heard the old adage; one fuck up wipes out a lifetime of “that a boys”. That’s like saying you were a good cop for 19 years and then you F up and break the law and you get a pass because of the 19 good years…life doesn’t work like that. I don’t know what happened with Gallagher, I wasn’t there and none of the people writing these stories were there either. I’ve always been of the opinion that there’s three sides to every story…your side…my side…the truth.

[@jamesmcaffie]

When you're real, they try to bury you.

[@user-fu1ss4eo6c]

The reporters actually had some pretty good evidence. I think there is a good chance the man's guilty.

[@stuckie3916]

The reporters had no evidence. All witnesses were proven to have lied.

[@jameshawkins4514]

He admitted to the murder after he was acquitted and couldn't be tried again. Just stupid. Conduct unbecoming should have been muttered. The treatment of the guys who testified without getting an immunity deal is why the whole thing sucks. Shameful.

[@jensgronning4436]

That’s a lie. You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about.

[@treytrey1196]

When did he admit to the murder

[@stuckie3916]

Lol, he did no such thing.

[@john-paulross2087]

Dude, it's one thing after another! 2 SF guys killed! By his own dudes! Robert's Ridge, Redwing, Extortion 17, kyle/Jocko...........ect!

[@808souljahxl5]

This is why I support the troops, but nit the "military". Big difference.

[@curtismes]

I have to support Eddie Gallagher...saw his story on Shawn Ryan with his side....F the media...hes a hero...JOE get him on the SHOW....!!!!

[@kyleh6391]

because eddies sister worked for the trump admin, thats why he was such a target.

[@shawnrumley38]

And the fact that his own mentored against them and the fact that he himself has said they killed the man on purpose After he was acquitted he said this of course There's that too I guess

[@barry3045]

He did that shit.

[@ebonks]

clown

[@john-paulross2087]

It's blue guys ratting each other out! Plus, you guys have been chewed up for years! Especially, Devgru!

[@michaelscott5155]

Lies, lies, lies

[@LilSebastian_]

Eddie was found Guilty in a military court based on evidence. He was then Pardoned. A pardon is an admission of guilt. Stop lying to yourselves about he was treated unfair.

[@Paul-gf9fc]

He was never found guilty of murder. The only thing he was found guilty of was taking a picture with a dead Isis fighter.

[@jeffl1216]

You are 100 percent wrong. He was acquitted at trial. That means not guilty of murder.

[@LilSebastian_]

@@jeffl1216 Wrong... he was found guilty sentenced, then pardoned by the president. Here is another fun fact: accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt. Go bark up another tree, mouth breather.

[@maggie7843]

@@jeffl1216 the Court record reflects he was found guilty under the USMJ, Article 134. The President pardoned him of this (federal) conviction.

[@californiavolcano9676]

Joe you are dead wrong on this issue! Eddie hurt the seals through his dishonorable actions. He was acquitted after the witness that was granted immunity changed his story. I know devgru oops that are all pissed that he got off. Makes their deployments more dangerous. Combatants will fight to the death to avoid capture!

[@ncc8327]

What devgru ops you know?

[@nigelsookram882]

Omg they lick this man's boots like he's Walmart jesus

[@kenbrovost9653]

@@nigelsookram882 Walmart Jesus is the best description I've ever seen of anyone. Thank you for adding that to my vocabulary as I will now use it as much as possible

[@kenbrovost9653]

Please explain his dishonorable actions in a paragraph form. Punctuated properly. I would love to read it and I'm not just being a smart-ass

[@ismashurmom1123]

@@kenbrovost9653 new to this story but here is goes Eddie killed in custody an isis fighter now to have sympathy for the isis fighter would be illogical but it would also be incredibly dumb to ignore what he did he committed a war crime the only way we stay better than terroist is by not doing what they would do. Otherwise it just creates a cycle of violence. If you wanna suck the cock of a color coed murderer cause you or someone you know fought in a war is not a good reason. Eddie was also accused by his fellow soldiers of randomly firing at kids.

[@john-paulross2087]

The othe outfits don't have this problem! I wonder why? STFU#1, ..........ect

[@ianrostrup7968]

Hes without a doubt a murderer.

[@davidaa2521]

Eddie Gallager is an American hero!