Should Men Have A Say? Pro vs Anti Abortion Teens | Middle Ground

[@jubilee]

No matter where you stand on the topic of abortion, it’s a difficult and vulnerable conversation to have, and we want to give a shoutout to our cast for being brave enough to share their experiences in this episode ❤️

[@cozypm]

are these teens or ?? one of them said that they were married

[@nylachery7903]

@@cozypm I would say they’re young adults cause i think all of them are out of high school and in college

[@fireykitten9217]

It is not difficult to understand that we do not decide for another persons body.

[@mpat100]

keep their legs closed and they wont need abortions

[@pizzermaster1145]

​@@cozypm probably 18-20

[@Moniethemom]

For that woman to have no job and carrying a baby to talk down on people not wanting a child is INSANEEEE

[@kaitlynkite]

FOR REALLLLL

[@NonStopParis]

Why though

[@nayelialejandro4329]

@@NonStopParis because she doesn’t understand the mental and physical toll it takes on women who don’t have the luxury of depending on someone to take care of them while being pregnant . she has the choice to not work while some women don’t.

[@skyemadisyn163]

And then saying it’s okay cause they’ve created resources for young mothers. Girl I get what I think you’re meaning but that comes across as yea if teens wanna have babies they should and here is who will help

[@inesarif8497]

⁠@@skyemadisyn163 yeah exactly it doesn’t matter how much help is out there and what people can give you, if you don’t want a child that’s it you don’t want a child.

[@khaos1014]

My heart reaches out to Alexandra, that girl has more patience than anyone I’ve ever seen. She gave the floor to people, said to them “I think you had something that you wanted to say” fully let them say their piece, but when she tried to speak her piece was interrupted most the time. Wild how she was the only one willing to listen and have a mature debate about a tricky topic

[@jhartleyutah]

When she has a kid she will be a great mom

[@Kissmyass155]

She literally talked the majority of the time with the super long winded responses and then tried to cut people off

[@tonyzheng6149]

it's nice to know that u feel sympathy for child-killer Alexandra.

[@Hiiiiiiiiiiilol]

​@@Kissmyass155are you serious 😂? Most the time she was patiently listening

[@Kissmyass155]

@@Hiiiiiiiiiiilol when she was talking too long and people were trying to address each point her addressable points were forgotten. She kind of threw everything off to me.

[@sis2334]

it literally sickened me how constance talked to alexandra. when she was describing her abortion, how she was grieving, and how it felt for her, and then constance cut her off and said “did you know that a baby has a heartbeat at 5 weeks?”. there was absolutely not respect towards her, which is just sad.

[@aidanaldrich7795]

She just has little sympathy for child killers. She will understand nuance as she gets older hopefully

[@isaactar]

That’s just plain misinformation at 5 weeks if you are able to see a heart beat it is actually a group of around 200 cells and it is around 4-5 mm across, calling this a “baby” is wrong scientifically.

[@putrirfr]

Constance probably somehow unconsciously regret her decision to marry so young and being pregnant so she talked down to the others to make her feel better

[@catholiccowboy8545]

“did you know that the thing can fart at 1 week ?"

[@loganriley1352]

@@aidanaldrich7795aborting a fetus does not make one a child killer 😂

[@daniela__1342]

The way Alexandra carries her words brought tears to my eyes. What a beautiful human being

[@rihannakahia5078]

Could not agree more

[@I_like_dem_BEANZ]

Same. I think Pro-choice played out this argument in a very mature and easy to understand way.

[@jahnaviraman5411]

i feel so awful for wylan. it's just so shocking that her parents were so disgusting that they were more worried ab people finding out that the baby was his rather than caring about her safety and well being

[@_aasshhee]

I know...they said she was lying for attention too. That was so heartbreaking. I wish nothing but the best for her.

[@jahnaviraman5411]

@@_aasshhee same. some parents are horrible

[@wyattcole5452]

I’ve met someone who was impregnated by their father when they were 13, and it depends on the person, of course, but she said she didn’t regret giving birth, she was actually upset that her mom gave the child up and her and her mom’s relationship is terrible now. My grandpa had two girlfriends whose parents took them to Detroit for an abortion unbeknownst to my grandpa, the girlfriends only going through with what their parents told them. Sad that parents can encourage their child to make such a life-altering, possibly world-altering, choice and even more sad that she felt she had to go through with it when one of them at least felt horribly about the whole experience. I’m tired of the lie that abortion doesn’t effect men, and I’m tired of the ridiculous argument that even if it didn’t, we shouldn’t have a say…

[@jahnaviraman5411]

@@wyattcole5452 i mean maybe let's not endorse the idea of ppl giving birth to incest babies...

[@marsjokes]

*disgusted

[@lucemovement2435]

I was shook when that young woman told her story of being molested and that anti choice lady responded with "but there are resources"

[@satellitestargazer2770]

The literally don't gaf

[@jaebae.91]

@overlordfemto7523💯

[@ichijixi]

@overlordfemto7523nope

[@satellitestargazer2770]

@overlordfemto7523 There ain't no baby. No I do not think a little blood clot is the same as a full term baby. Yes, you can love it and have feelings about it, but it isn't the same as having a whole child ripped away from you.

[@sethsalazar3334]

You opinion isn’t relevant to science

[@seanroyal8017]

Alexandra was shy and timid at first but when she got comfortable- SHE WENT IN!!! I would love to see her on a formal debate stage!

[@StarlightJosh]

she is silent yet so powerful

[@baggiesfan257]

She is a disgrace

[@cloroxbitch2491]

When the quiet people speaks up, listen.

[@justinruck3334]

She’s delusional

[@yurimins]

​@@justinruck3334the anti abortion are delusional

[@paytonrstanglewicz610]

I feel like Constance’s method of debating is just confusing people so they can’t even really argue against what she said because it doesn’t even make sense

[@Sui_23]

She’s ridiculous! Saying “ the baby is not white enough to be born” I was shocked??

[@JosueDeerFox]

Modern politics be like

[@quwandathornton]

@@Sui_23 When she mentions the Embryo having Emotions is what got me so weirded out

[@pichousakirito168]

A female Ben shapiro 😂

[@runsoncaffeine]

and for her to not even have a job, to be carrying a baby, and yet somehow criticize other's for not wanting one based on their financial situation is just appalling.

[@scarahua]

i'm actually apalled when wylan talked about being sexually abused at a very young age-young enough to not know what was happening to her body, and constance reponds with "what about the unborn child" without so much as thinking about how wylan *WAS* also a child in that situation! a child that could have been forced to carry ANOTHER child to full term. that is something that i genuinely feel is horrifying and was not even close to being made out to be as horrifying and gut churning as it is when it was over looked so quickly and insensitively instead of actually digesting it even when wylan implies she was very young.

[@bogartmotomoto8222]

They are both victim. Wylan and her own child. Both of them need a support. The abuser need to be punish. Simple as that

[@ncfire80]

Pro lifers are not pro life, they’re anti-woman.

[@xxaavviieerrrrr]

@@bogartmotomoto8222 agree, but Wylan ABSOLUTELY takes priority over her fetus, because how can we expect a healthy life for the fetus (if it does grow up) if Wylan herself is a child, still developing? It creates an unhealthy cycle.

[@braydondobbs3784]

⁠@@xxaavviieerrrrrthere’s lots of ways to prevent an abortion even if you aren’t on birth control (because she was so young) plan b, you can have ur cervix scrapped (in privacy and don’t even have to inform police if you were assaulted… it’s more like if you are afraid of the person it won’t come back at you in a police investigation if you don’t want that), you can also have if caught early enough a lot of things done to prevent the process of pregnancy, by no means am i saying i want any young lady to go through this but that child inside her also deserves a chance if it’s late into the pregnancy, as you get older you can have your birth control and cobdoms to perform safe sex with these same options to prevent pregnancy’s caught…., it’s less expensive to get all these done then to have an abortion so it’s not even a money issue atp

[@sarralemon]

There is no way this subject will ever come to an agreement. I don't like that they think abortion is health care.. Teens parents must be notified, because complications do happen.. Your a child you need your parents.

[@sandrarobbins3119]

Constance shaming the other women is just absolutely tragic.

[@Lansso1]

Constance the best.

[@волк-ы1ш]

It should be shamed

[@vicom134]

@@Lansso1You mean Cuntstance?

[@vicom134]

@@волк-ы1шWhat should be shamed is deciding to have a kid, despite having no job and not being able to provide to that kid. EXTREMELY selfish and disgusting in my opinion.

[@rohanshende4338]

So everyone should agree with you?

[@siriousholmes]

32:02 made me spit out my drink "i am not in a financially stable situation to adopt a child". Neither are some of the people who decide to get abortions for that reason lmao

[@nbaviis]

Well then don’t have sex 😂

[@katm149]

It's not the same!

[@rin1875]

@frozenboy712thats disrespectful

[@SPKzanita]

@frozenboy712then why did you stick it in?

[@AlphaAbyss_]

Well how about idk a woman decide to be careful about who she sleeps around with so who ever her partner is they are able to protect and provide for that child

[@greciaverdin2416]

“I can’t afford to have a kid so I won’t adopt” but you who has no job, no medical assistance , no assistance in general no support…YOU MUST HAVE THE CHILD!

[@TheLegendOfRandy]

Yeah, but he's not a woman, so it's not his problem. He ironically made one of the best arguments to be pro-choice instead of anti-choice. He _literally_ argued against himself and didn't even realize it.

[@l_Heart_Hot_Moms]

no. he said i'm choosing NOW, to not adopt and have protected sex, or no sex. because i know i cant take care of a child. those are healthy adult desicions. a women saying i don't want to pay the consequences of my actions is a whole-nother subject. people mix up the difference between choice vs taken way too often.

[@ericahumbles3169]

🤣🤣🤣 period.

[@Avinashm7]

Then don't have a sex fools

[@hikarusolar]

@@l_Heart_Hot_Momsbut not everyone has that choice. Pressure and physical force will always exist.

[@emanon2774]

constance was genuinely insufferable and made this vid nearly impossible to finish 😭how can someone have so little empathy

[@cacaman1391]

That's the nucleus of the anti-abortion public. They lack empathy and they don't know better.

[@Chris-pg7qg]

Womp womp

[@u235x00]

yeah i had to stop watching half way cus i couldn’t stand her

[@gameregg-1006]

@@u235x00who

[@tkyk4893]

Because abortion is wrong. You can't really empathize with a mu-rder-3r.

[@abigailhoward9312]

Constance was the most immature, intolerable part of this conversation. Everybody else was so mature & let each other finish their thought and didn’t behave pompous & condescending. Someone should have put her in her place fr

[@bananatitan3080]

She did fine? Everyone spoke over each other at some point. 💀

[@abby4861]

@@bananatitan3080naur she was very preachy & passive aggressive :/

[@kaelynjaye4608]

I literally cringed every time she spoke

[@debatingmusic]

she just destroyed your side thats all. She spoke when it was a time most of the time.

[@clumsyinspector1514]

@@debatingmusicyou don’t even know what side they’re on. They literally said EVERYONE else did fine except her, meaning she could just not like Constance.

[@ColynKirkland]

Constance is the kind of woman to get married straight out of high school, have a child, and not have an actual job🤣

[@trillaB]

Absolutely agreed like?

[@sarahs.9678]

Being a mother isn’t an actual job? Lol.

[@ColynKirkland]

@@sarahs.9678 It's a responsibility, but it's not an actual paying job. No.

[@angelperez4499]

Literally

[@kofiti21]

@@sarahs.9678literally unpaid labor

[@annadealy7653]

Braedons experience in the foster care system makes me definately feel I would rather have an abortion over putting a kid through that. His argument did the opposite of what he wanted.

[@feltfirefox]

But would you want children in foster care now to be put out of their misery? Your point of view, which I understand, assumes the child in the womb has no proper value/life like we do. It is telling people in foster care that their lives have less meaning because they involve more suffering.

[@bruv7569]

@@feltfirefoxsome people would rather not have a baby than put it through that type of life. it’s that simple.

[@samuelhong4272]

@@bruv7569it’s really not tho. You’re being reductive. Also what does “that type of life” mean?

[@bruv7569]

@@samuelhong4272 growing up through the foster care system. and i’m not being reductive, it’s literally just a decision some people choose to make, and some people choose not to depending on their personal lives and circumstances.

[@samuelhong4272]

​@@bruv7569 there's something wrong w foster care?And abortion isn't just a decision it's a medical procedure. There's more to it than making a decision. You're minimizing what an abortion actually is. Alternatively, a pro lifer could say some people should not have sex then have an abortion. It's that simple. My issue is not people having an abortion it's your argument.

[@KrisUniwolf]

Alexandra is extremely well spoken and nailed everything. Props to her

[@aidanaldrich7795]

Too bad she is a person who believes some people are lesser than others

[@cheerioboiesc2194]

@@aidanaldrich7795 you don’t actually care about the unborn clumps of cells, you care about controlling women’s bodies

[@queen_shake]

@@aidanaldrich7795 the only person who believes that is you by saying that 🤔 as you are judging how she perceives based on a 45 minutes video only abt abortion.

[@aidanaldrich7795]

@@queen_shake pro abortionists, just like slave owners, inherently believe some humans are less than others. Do you believe a fetus is less than a born baby?

[@AJ-lm5dl]

​@@queen_shake Abortion is literally the dehumanization of the most innocent and defenseless human beings for the sake of one's convenience.

[@kata.8106]

Constance cannot have a conversation...she is so argumentative!

[@TheLegendOfRandy]

@@tigereye5272 There's a difference between an amicable debate and just rudely yelling over everyone. In fairness, this is a group of teenagers, so it's not surprising to have at least one of them be incredibly rude, loud and disrespectful.

[@s1l3ntkai]

I have to agree. the repetitive talking (quite loudly but not screaming) over other people while they were trying to voice their thoughts just let me know I do not wanna be in a debate with her. All respect for her though for sharing her opinions, no matter how rude it personally seemed for other people.

[@tkyk4893]

@@tigereye5272 Exactly. There's a lot of cope going on in this comments section.

[@sassyp.5999]

@@tigereye5272It’s not what you say, it’s HOW you say it. All of their arguments are valid, notice how they’re not being disrespectful to anyone else? She needs to take notes.

[@sassyp.5999]

@@tigereye5272 That’s the point of this debate/discussion lol. For 2 opposing sides to bring up points they see as valid to support their argument 😭 Ofc they disagree, hence why they’re not on the same side on this topic.

[@maude55]

to the people who opened up about their personal experiences with abortion - thank you. you didn't have to have this conversation, but you did. thank you for your strength.

[@maude55]

also: daphne, thank you for your compassion, vulnerability and honesty.

[@manniefresh3425]

Agreed it takes a strong person to openly admit to doing something pretty horrible

[@07foxmulder]

What strength?

[@Nikki-lh1tu]

​@@07foxmulder the strength to sit in a group of people and tell them about your trauma

[@trash5709]

@@manniefresh3425 lets get you back to bed grandma

[@East_ina]

Alexandra was so well spoken! I respect how she kept her composure and remained open to hearing what others had to say during this discussion

[@liviavanvlissingen3919]

I loved how well-spoken Alexandra was, she sounded so mature and continued to spit facts without belittling the others in the group

[@ryanhickman3335]

She said some questionable things

[@ticiat5832]

She seems like a deeply sad individual who is grieving her child, and is using certain logic to try to make herself feel better about her decision

[@dunno-19]

@@ticiat5832 you do realize there is no way to make that claim valid through these few moments you saw of her in this video...

[@ticiat5832]

@@dunno-19 You can see her fighting and struggling emotionally with what prolife people were saying. She then admitted she did it because her boyfriend wanted to support her more during pregnancy because of his religious views & didn’t feel he was able to at the time. She quite literally said she’s grieving with her boyfriend daily still.

[@weirdo_xo7330]

@@ticiat5832 you are making assumptions based on only a few moments you have seen her

[@queky3434]

i don’t think i’ve ever seen someone with so little empathy and so much disrespect as constance. how dare you disregard someone’s trauma and grief because you believe your personal beliefs are better than theirs and provide a reason to guilt them.

[@TheEverFreeKing]

No you're just frightened that she's a strong black woman telling the truth and expressing her love for humanity by standing up for the rights of The unborn. Constance is a modern day civil rights leader and a hero 💜

[@skylerwhiteyo9191]

​@@TheEverFreeKingthe group constance is a part of (PAAU) stole 115 fetuses from an abortion clinic, some members took them back to their apartments and others displayed them in a box. So..yeah.

[@skylerwhiteyo9191]

This was supposed to be a 'rescue mission'.

[@Jenny-eq2po]

@@TheEverFreeKing hmm i dont think so

[@globetrotter3956]

Does Constance really believe that any woman who is in sex trafficking and being forced to get an abortion will just not be forced to get an abortion if they are illegal? Sex trafficking is illegal… the abortions will then happen in secret. They are still going to happen.

[@lilliekaypowell]

there whole convo about how “raped women’s children are the same as everyone else’s children” rubbed me sooo wrong . yes the fetus might be a normal kid, but you know how truamtizing it would be to be the mom seeing ur rapist face in ur kid every single day. i’m a firm believer on if you want to be pro life, be pro life for YOURSELF. you can still be pro choice and personally / morally be pro life.

[@domg0714]

That doesn’t mean he/she shouldn’t be alive

[@denzellmovies]

​@@domg0714"shouldn't be alive"? No one believes that someone born of rape shouldn't be alive, obviously that's not on them. We just believe people shouldn't be forced to give birth to their rapist's babies. Those are two different things

[@campickett4293]

@@pinkmama6077do you know every raped mother? Don’t speak for an entire group of people cause there are plenty of those who do.

[@rutelichagarrucho2388]

And the fact of not having any choice there,like,you didn’t choose to be raped

[@mckennaw7996]

Well not as much as seeing the rapist in the kids face because the face is the mothers too but it’s more like rape is traumatizing for a mother and that mothers trauma can reflect on the kid.

[@NianiJohnson]

Saying that an unborn baby doesn’t have a voice to say what they want ??? They can’t even think? Like what, I hate this argument.

[@Rachel91224]

I think thats the point. One of the pro choicers made the argument that different developmental stages in humans result in different amounts of rights, where kids can't drink etc., but it actually is a pro-life argument, because the system is put in place to say that because children are less developed, it is the law's duty to PROTECT them, because they can't protect themselves (even though in this case it's protecting them from thier own drinking habits).

[@yellowishgreendragon.-.]

They won't even remember anything until 2 years past birth. Even then they can't decide for themselves.

[@toddharig8142]

Yeah. They want to give voices to the voiceless so they invent people without voices.

[@neptunesgalaxy5123]

When it comes down to it, would you save a barely formed life or a woman (or someone capable of giving birth) who has conscious thoughts, desires, memories, and aspirations? I’m just saying, one won’t care if it doesn’t live anymore, but the other has a lot more to lose

[@JuniperGal-ek2pu]

@@neptunesgalaxy5123 exactly. An unborn fetus just doesn’t compare to a baby. A fetus is a selfish parasite. A baby is an innocent helpless human.

[@maisyrae4967]

The way Constance berated Alexandra after she told such a vulnerable story was so disgusting. You don't have to agree but she is still human and went through an incredibly difficult time. It shows more and more how anti-abortion people do not take into account the experience and well-being of the mother. I'm so impressed by how well spoken Alexandra was after being so disgustingly attacked because I would have been sobbing.

[@mjlawnscapingllc3873]

Ironically, the fetus was a person too. Imagine that.

[@carsoncorcoran6487]

having a vulnerable story doesn’t make you exempt from being wrong

[@TrexGrimStud]

@@mjlawnscapingllc3873 sadly a fetus is not a person ,kid , baby or a child .you have to prove personhood without it a fetus has no rights .

[@obsidian2249]

​@@TrexGrimStud Humans are humans at whatever stage of life their at, life begins at contraception

[@mlad5274]

Its so ironic that you call her human, when she won't even call the life she murdered that. Wow.

[@demonicchild475]

Respect to all the teens that put up with Constance with such maturity, I would’ve lost it trying to speak to her.

[@tgr5312]

Maybe because you're intolerant, not intellectual and don't like to hear opinions differ from yours.

[@michael-john4954]

your name says everything about you

[@44EricRH44]

She didn't lie once, though. And she was respectful for the most part. She did interrupt a few times, but sometimes people won't relinquish the time to speak.

[@sorryoutlandish]

@@44EricRH44 telling a rape victim directly to their face that they should’ve kept it after they shared their trauma is blatantly disrespectful

[@floormatt3]

No kidding, almost everything she said was categorically false or misleading, and plain dismissive of the other's opinions and lived experiences.

[@sonyawix5871]

Constance was a sour spot of the conversation. Inconsiderate and willing to provide empathy to a concept of human, but not the people sitting with her in the room. Grilled on my nerves the whole time.

[@zacm9747]

She was great. The sour spot was the one defending herself, not abortion, Daphne. She was invited to debate and she rolled her eyes and made faces faaaaaaarrrr more frequently than anyone else on the panel.

[@ultraboy2669]

@@zacm9747THIS

[@calvinhoward3808]

Not a concept of a human, but a human being.

[@michaelturley8222]

and Joey saying men shouldn't have an opinion on the slaughter of babies.@@zacm9747

[@AngelinaSalmon-df1ee]

All those people in that room have the privilege of life itself. She is empathetic to the unborn life whose choice is being argued.

[@bellagrisales6685]

"There have been teenagers and women who have died from abortion procedures," Yeah, and there have been teens and women who have died from giving birth. Constance is insufferable and arrogant.

[@hannahgf4883]

She really is. I do believe she was just stating that statistic to help her achieve her point, however. But since she was very disrespectful and arrogant during this video, the statistic that she stated seemed to add onto a disgusted feeling for her instead of “helping” her, while her point is true.

[@Kromoden]

c section

[@Kaylaaylacontrayla]

Haven’t even finished the video but Alexandra’s intelligence and maturity level is BLINDING. She is articulating in the most beautiful way, even as she shares such raw personal details. Literally in awe of her. ❤

[@iamjusthere4422]

For me, the way my brain is wired, I'm able to look straight past all of the emotional clout and just listen to and logically discern through what she's saying, and I disagree with everything she says, and I believe she's also hypocritical

[@nezaskapin8580]

Even if you articulate the wrong position eloquently and make it sound nice, it's still wrong. I felt like she knew she did something wrong and was just looking for excuses, mainly to also presuade herself.

[@lawsattitude1999]

She's still wrong.

[@eangal]

@@Tynes1it literally has nothing to do with her views. she was just very well spoken and respectful.

[@Kaylaaylacontrayla]

@@eangal This is literally all I was saying lol, thank you.

[@Kamdynne]

"Becoming a foster parent is a long, tedious, expensive process" Carrying a baby for 9 months and raising a human for the next 18+ years is also a long, tedious, and expensive process. Forcing a human to carry out this process or telling them they are wrong for not doing so is inhumane. This is why the preface that Braedon can never be in a position where he will need an abortion was necessary. This is why women who are pro-choice or people who can get pregnant in general say "what about me?" People who are pro-life are essentially giving the fetus more rights and more control than the very being that has to carry it. No. You cannot find a middle ground when it comes to abortion. You are either fighting for the rights of an embryo or fighting for the rights of a woman. There are so many reasons why abortion is necessary and forcing a woman to carry a baby they dont wish to is insensitive and cruel. Pregnancy is a labor and a job. You cannot call yourself an advocate for human rights if you are denying the rights of those that walk the earth. 32:20

[@hahahaaha7208]

This!!!!

[@Wijsnd72]

Well said

[@victoria-hm6fm]

@@Raxs0GIt isn´t. That’s blunt of you to assume that everyone has a choice, and the accesiballity to have protected sex. Often the responsibility to be protected falls into the womans hand, even though it’s men who make us pregnant and can do so pretty much from the ages 10-80, whilst women stop being fertile around age 45.

[@2910.7]

Yess!!!!!

[@kalypsodeepsea982]

@Kamdynn well said. Pro-lifers often grossly oversimplify the issue assuming women who abort are irresponsible.

[@Naochuu-in]

When that guy said "im not in a financially stable situation to adopt." Bro was so close to the point but missed it 😭😭..

[@kellynn739]

And the other group went, "OHHH!" I was kind of hoping they would circle back to that part.

[@Crating]

Their reaction and the way they went "OHHH!" was so weird. It's not like he's the one taking the risks?

[@xoalexa-vs6fx]

⁠​⁠ you could be the most cautious person in the world and still get r*ped. if someone chooses to participate in sex then that is their decision and the risk they chose to take. however, if you are r*ped and are not currently financially stable enough to take care of a baby, how is that your fault?

[@Randomdesiredvids]

adoption is so so expensive though compared to having a baby naturally.

[@hannahwatkins4106]

​@@Crating are child victims taking a risk when they become pregnant?

[@olgagergi470]

Alessandra is wise beyond her years. Not only does she back up her points with logic and reason instead of shame and guilt, but she also creates the space for the others that disagree with her to voice their thoughts.

[@hannahtchibinda9213]

When the Pro-lifer Braedon said he wouldn’t adopt because he “wasn’t in the financial place to adopt, however he has the choice to become a foster parent” I laughed out loud. The hypocrisy is ludicrous.

[@blk5124]

The difference being he didn't put himself into the position and process of adoption or fostering kids and then back out. These women put themselves in the position to become parents and then they used abortion to back out. So the difference is pretty big.

[@denzellmovies]

@@blk5124 sex is a normal part of life and protection doesn't always work. Saying they put themselves in the position to become a parent is the same as saying that guy put himself in the position to adopt simply because he grew up and is now of age

[@blk5124]

@@denzellmovies the efforts would have to be equal and they're not. To adopt, you do through a long, draw out, expensive process. Sex is not a long, drawn out . . . I hope nobody is paying for it . . process. Sex is a much faster decision. It leads to pregnancy. Adoption never leads to pregnancy for those adopting but it does lead to baby and child care. So the outcomes eventually are the same but the roads to it are totally different.

[@freedomishavingachoice3020]

Ask em about the draft, and you can generally watch the h.y.p.o.c.r.i.s.y roll. Suddenly using their unwilling body for who the government deems more worthy is wrong. Unless it's the president they like, of course. 😂 Then of course the president they like should force you to get hurt. Honestly, a prolifers place in a country touting freedom is some astonishingly poor thought out logic. Prolifers want the freedom to use your body, not for their body to be used.

[@MissingYouser]

@@denzellmovies Lets say I tell a Major League Baseball pitcher to throw a ball as hard as they can at me because it sounds fun. I cover myself in pillows, a helmet, and body armor because I don’t want to get hurt. If it ends up hurting anyway, it’s my fault for first, wanting a ball thrown at me, and also for not covering up with even more pillows and armor knowing that protection isn’t 100% effective.

[@BajaBlast-oise]

as someone who lost a parent at a very young age, no, losing a parent isn't "easier" than divorce. they are both emotionally difficult situations for different reasons but a parent dying is not easier or harder than a divorce.

[@iDeagles]

How would you know whether it's harder or not? You only experienced one of them.

[@society7149]

@@iDeagles it doesnt take a genius to know that separated parents are better than dead parents

[@ooscardls]

@@iDeagles Are you for real? I've lost my dad at 25. I would rather have my parents divorce than him being dead. At least I could have still have him in my life. And same for the people putting this comment. You are disgusting

[@MrStudo67]

​@@society7149 why do you say that?

[@iDeagles]

@@society7149 being pulled two separate ways your entire childhood is better than having one solid parent? Again, you haven't experienced both. Use your head and not your emotions for a moment.

[@spaceinveda7408]

Holy sh*t This was the most intense episode ive ever seen Alexandra brought me to tears multiple times. Her passion and intelligence is truly something else. When she spoke it was powerful.

[@_bored2death]

Constance and Daphne are the most annoying people on this panel

[@1saamor897]

i doubt jt

[@bian7744]

​@@_bored2deathFr

[@emmebiggs1920]

There is no intelligence half of what she said was NONSENSE

[@rita8274]

The way Wylan looked around at the slavery correlation made me laugh. I LOVE this series so much.

[@aidanaldrich7795]

Very appropriate comparison. In both cases, people on the wrong side of history try to strip personhood and rights from living human beings

[@Matthew-sl8dx]

@@aidanaldrich7795 clown

[@cornpeal8945]

Haha same, loved her genuine and shocked reaction, trying to read the room after that statement like “what did I just hear??”

[@ninasteppe]

and the fact that they zoomed in on them 💀

[@aidanaldrich7795]

@@Matthew-sl8dx Name calling, the tool of the intellectually weak

[@dk6135]

holy... major respect to alexandra for her eloquence/patience. i wouldnt be able to speak and form my thoughts even 5% as clearly as her if constance were breathing down my neck like that (in comparison to how calmly alexandra presented her opinions)

[@TheEverFreeKing]

Constance still absolutely destroyed her with facts and logic. She lost the debate completely it was a slaughter.

[@GbemiTalks]

@@TheEverFreeKingwow there is so much logic in bringing a child into the world without a job or money to suffer and without a plan on how to care and protect the child except getting charity money. I’m honestly impressed.

[@Aria-u9i]

​@TheEverFreeKing It's been months but constance totally did not win that argument.

[@michaelturley8222]

is there some reason they cant get a job? @@GbemiTalks

[@bethanyheyde805]

I myself am unashamedly pro-life, but even I agree that Alexandra articulated her opinions very well, and I admire that she was so willing to listen to the other side, and she was kind to everyone.

[@Irohsteashop92]

Alexandra is one of the smartest and most eloquent people that have ever been in one of these debates… absolutely amazing. What a strong person.

[@reecelee5218]

BRING HER BACK

[@prada_em]

her monologues were so powerful

[@ella-yx8gz]

@@politicalanalyst1254BOOOOOOO🍅🍅🍅

[@politicalanalyst1254]

@@ella-yx8gz I can already tell you’ll be single and lonely by 30

[@brentoncarter4275]

@@politicalanalyst1254 you seem to be quite sensitive responding to every comment

[@Melissa-xo6xm]

Leave it to the pro life side to judge victims of rape for their abortions, I don’t care how many resources there are out there, it doesn’t relieve the trauma of being taken advantage of, it doesn’t pay the therapy that woman may need and even years later that trauma will never go away it sticks with you. But ultimately a woman who has been violated should be able to decide if she wants to go through that pregnancy or not.

[@nomnomnommy2955]

That’s your opinion

[@aidanaldrich7795]

And you think that aborting their child relieves the trauma of rape?

[@El-iw6xn]

@@aidanaldrich7795if they say it will then yes, forcing them to go through 9 months of trauma against their will is inhumane

[@precious8238]

abortion doesn’t do any of that either

[@Toastymosty69]

Literally nobody does that. Stop the cap.

[@thepandoricaoffandomsbacku7349]

Constance is the type of "advocate" that I bet stands and shouts outside abortion clinics

[@alliewankenobi]

Exactly like get a job girl 😭

[@willow2554]

she is part of the progressive anti-abortion uprising group so yes absolutely. Braedon and Ayala are also in the group too. paau has done some horrifying things that you might have heard of (not saying that any of these people participated but even being in that group is a big yikes)

[@gwenrichard7507]

Suffrageets did it.

[@Mirro6112]

I was thinking the same. She likes the sound of her voice for sure. It screams wierdo self-righteous asshat in front of the clinic.

[@paige7517]

fr

[@jayfaisa3171]

Abortion wouldn't be so widespread, if we cared about women's maternity care, child care, and treating sex and relationships with more respect.

[@denzellmovies]

and had proper sex ed

[@angelaschone2847]

No, there are abortion because of health risks that are not presentable and non viability, no, abortion is not because people have sex a lot or are polyamorous, you can have an abortion being married

[@denzellmovies]

@@angelaschone2847 he never claimed ALL abortions happened because of those reasons...

[@angelaschone2847]

@@denzellmovies it doesn't matter, he is saying most of them are because of the reason he have, and that is not true

[@denzellmovies]

@@angelaschone2847 he lierally didn't say that, you're just making things up

[@lifesjems]

Props to Alexandra. She spoke so well even though she is clearly still grieving and also spoken so down on when she didn’t deserve that. It shows that she is well educated on the subject and this is why proper sex education is very important. Time and money should be spent on that instead.

[@KSull6736]

I agree with her sentiments and she is very well educated on the topic. But that just makes it even worse that she doesn’t use any form of birth control, even condoms. She behaves like she doesn’t have extensive knowledge on safe sex practices and how to avoid the trauma of getting an abortion.

[@whyareyounakedinmykitchen7882]

​@KSull6736 you clearly ignored her multiple statements that she has been on many forms of birth control and the reason for her conception was between those moments when she was off

[@Ineedanamelol]

hey im not sure if you are aware, but abortion is haram, excluding in cases where the mothers life is at risk.

[@suqarlvsh7876]

i wanna see doctors and scientists talk about this topic, it’d be very interesting to see what [well] educated people have to say about it.

[@Logicaldude1]

It would be the same. There is no logical way to justify abortion. Pro life scientists would do what the pro life teens did here. Completely dismantle them

[@dustbuster]

Most of them make money off of it so they are going to have bias

[@EricTitansSmith]

It would have to be fully anonymous and even then I've had provate conversations about stuff like this with brilliant psychologists and they'd never risk it. Damage to your reputation as a doctor is devastating, especially amongst your patients and fellow doctors. More conflicts of interest only make for less honest conversations.

[@Lillipie]

It would be interesting because there would definitely be a focus in that conversation that surprisingly wasn't discussed in this video. Cases of non viability outside of the womb, risk of fetal demise, ectopic pregnancies. Even with the consideration of fetuses as living beings medical personnel are always discussing ethics surrounding life and death even with birthed individuals.

[@kit-katgirl5962]

that’s what I said!!!

[@ellienicolexo]

Alexandra argued way above her age, she stood on BUSINESS. Constance just used logical fallacies to guilt trip people out of their own experiences. How disgusting.

[@isangtz]

Even as someone who is pro life, I found Constance very disrespectful. Kept interrupting and didn’t let the other side speak. She kept going even though Alexandra was CLEARLY uncomfortable by her way of addressing her.

[@cornpeal8945]

Completely disrespectful.

[@neverendingdrumming]

What was your take on the episode? I am pro-choice. Did you find any middle-ground, as the episode series suggests? 🙂

[@youreverydaysaltyiowastate5602]

@@neverendingdrumming wanna start a friendly argument? I’m pro-life

[@Bubbles_Art]

@@youreverydaysaltyiowastate5602aight I’m here pro choice.

[@bian7744]

​@@neverendingdrumming Dog water series just wants to profit off conflicting views

[@miriamjoseph1696]

having absolute beef with constance rn, that other girl was talking so normally, so respectfully and she proceeded to yell at her and talk over her

[@emmaklem6395]

I think it is so wild that daphne and alexandra shared their stories about abortion, and people(constance) came and just attacked and argued about something that is EXTREMELY DIFFICULT for those two

[@LiviaPinto-p7c]

and poor wylan

[@muppet5282]

Daphne said she had no regrets or guilt from her abortion, but I do still agree that Constance should’ve been more sympathetic

[@yahsengshilo9500]

You're just mad she didn't fall for their vbictim-signaling.

[@arlyn6310]

@@yahsengshilo9500like they said, no one wants to have an abortion for fun. Them being pro-choice doesn’t mean the pregnancy wasn’t traumatic for them

[@yahsengshilo9500]

@@arlyn6310 yeah no one wants to do bad things that harm others because it feels bad, and it should.

[@edrianbobbycalabio]

Respect for Alexandra. She said it all. ❤ Nobody forces anyone to get an abortion when that person doesn’t want to. Bodily autonomy.

[@isauldlc-qj5qe]

you don't choose if your child lives or not

[@aidanaldrich7795]

Why can't a fetus have bodily autonomy?

[@soupyweb]

@@aidanaldrich7795 let’s ask the fetus

[@elias7027]

Thats not how it works. Since an abortion still means ending the life of an unborn child. This shouldnt be a decision.

[@SlothDaan]

​@@aidanaldrich7795 because their autonomy is dependent on that of the mother. You can't force someone to donate a kidney to save their child. Why should a woman donate her body for a clump of cells she does not want?! Pregnancy and delivery are inherently dangerous. Not to mention the costs.

[@Jalaenah]

Constance's behavior during the conversation was deeply disrespectful as she aggressively imposed her beliefs and opinions onto others without considering their perspectives. She forcefully advocated for the notion that raped women must keep their babies regardless of their wishes or autonomy, completely disregarding their right to make decisions about their own bodies. She consistently interrupted and dismissed others, creating an environment where her voice overshadowed everyone else's. This one-sided approach demonstrated her misguided belief that she alone possessed the absolute truth. Such behavior is profoundly unjust and unfair, as it suppresses the valid opinions and experiences of others.

[@kaitlynkite]

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼you said it

[@SlothDaan]

And to add to that, ALOT of things she said were just not true. She made up her own statistics and facts, just so it could fit into her argument.

[@AlbertoTankerson]

Blah blah u do it too

[@おお-d7y]

@@AlbertoTankerson someone’s upset :(

[@brandonj7586]

Very well said.

[@anupriyasingh6770]

Divorce is worse than death of parents 🤦🏻‍♀️ WTH

[@twigglove]

Such a fucked up thing to say honestly.

[@Reptile1888]

It is for some people

[@JonnyDominguez]

@@Reptile1888 hence word, “some” people.

[@Girl_marketing_]

Yes it is sometimes especially when they don't end up been there intentionally, sometimes when they are dead you knew they had no alternative

[@tatyanavillegas6315]

that was wilddd lolll

[@mryyhjo4875]

you can see how sympathetic the pro-choice are when pro-life are speaking and you can see resentment when it’s the way around

[@perfectkey4432]

Pro choice doesn’t want to take away rights from anyone, we just want to be able to choose to have children or not. Pro life wants to strip the choice from women

[@red_phoenix0570]

the argument is that pro choicers want to take away the rights from the unborn children. both sides give and take freedoms/rights from people.

[@shaktimishra9710]

Pro choice take away rights of men who doesn't want to have child but have to pay for 18 years because of women

[@serenityrosales3745]

the way constance and ayala responded to the r@pe factor is insane. the disrespect and complete invalidation to women who have gotten pregnant from r@pe makes me disgusted.

[@90sbby37]

she got pregnant from rape though? she has every right to share her story.

[@caroqt]

why was that other girl using rape victims to justify her abortion though?

[@immersion9880]

I mean if you go in to a debate with anti-abortionists, what do you expect? Them to agree with you? Disagreement doesn’t necessarily mean invalidating experiences.

[@KristinNirvana]

Did...did you miss the part where Ayala got pregnant from rape?

[@serenityrosales3745]

@@immersion9880 it wasn’t their disagreement that was disgusting, it’s the way that they made it seem like all rape victim should and have to keep their kids.

[@yenahbrown4675]

When Ayala was talking about the fact that she had her rapist child and that she’s looks at that child and the one she had consensually as the same, instead of Daphne saying “your telling rape victims they should be having their children? Etc..” she should of responded that, that was Ayala’s CHOICE to have her baby that was from her rapist and it’s great you had the mental strength after something TRAUMATIC to carry your child to birth, but that doesn’t mean EVERY women have your mental capacity to make that DECISION.

[@Hopischwopi]

Plus some people might be reminded sooner or later. I can`t imagine how hard it is to have a child you love and know it is not the person who hurt you but maybe still not being able to fully seperate what happened that led to that child. Especially with little access to therapy because of a trashy healthcare system.

[@dunno-19]

exactly, they both got pretty defensive then and didnt rlly communicate well. Daphne jumped to a big ol conclusion, then Ayala kinda retorted. Well this episode has some quality communication people generally still have a long ways to go lol.

[@popuri48]

Not surprising, though, because Daphne was pretty disrespectful the entire time. She interrupted people, made faces and was obviously aggravated. Her and Constance made this so much worse, I wish they hadn't been in this one tbh because the others were all nice.

[@aliced602]

and when they said something like is a baby different when its from a rapist? physically its just the same as a consentual baby but the difference is for the MOM that has to live for 9 months with a reminder of a traumatic event.

[@shahrukhkhan8307]

@@Hopischwopi then you are pathetic.

[@bethanyhowell1987]

This was one of the best middle grounds I’ve watched. So crazy how teenagers/young adults can have better (for the most part) debates than adults. In comparison to other middle grounds, a lot of these participants genuinely seemed to listen and find middle ground

[@ItsBritneyBirch]

I agree. I want to especially shout out to Alexandria for her composure, maturity, and poise discussing this topic. Everyone except Constance did a great job communicating on such a heated topic. That was refreshing to see.

[@Rossmosss]

I actually cant with constance

[@Guccililpiggy-h6m]

Fr she needs to understand that if someone is a rape victim or cannot go through with the pregnancy or they simply are not in a financially or mentally stable enough situation to have a baby, it's their body, their choice. She needs to understand that not everybody wants to have a baby. And how she was talking to the girl in the green when she'd just shared her rape experience?? Zero empathy.

[@Rossmosss]

@@Guccililpiggy-h6m EXACTLY! You would think a future mother would have some sense into how sensitive this topic is for them, especially since they had those experiences as teens or younger. I get she is speaking her truth as a pro-lifer but that doesn't excuse her from showing respect to those who don't follow that same opinion. I just wish she would have shared her opinions without her laughs or insensitivity and maybe if she did that, this episode would be more about pro vs anti and less about invalidation. Just sayin

[@laureng1539]

I want to shout out Daphne. I think we all have an inclination to support Alexandra because everyone’s going in hard on her (and she deserves that support even though she’s holding her own). But Daphne isn’t in any of the comments I’ve read and she’s putting herself out there too and I admire her unwavering support of her own beliefs and decisions.

[@Is9sa]

Shout out to murderers 🙌🏼

[@MYST1CALPANDA]

Yeah probably because she has a disturbingly low amount of empathy for human life. The way she bragged about not grieving the death of her child is nothing short of disgusting.

[@skylerwhiteyo9191]

​@@Is9sashout out to torture and abuse! (forced birth)

[@WizardToby]

Daphne was giving attitude the whole dang time lmao. The other people on the Pro Choice side remained respectful.

[@thesalempyxis]

​@WizardToby the ppl on the pro choice side definitely did NOT actually

[@rawrrrj224]

16:27 i think what she meant to say was that she personally could not be responsible for another life at the point in her life. which is the most responsible thing to do. if you can’t physically, mentally and emotionally support and care for another human being, do not have one.

[@spacemanpeanut201]

Constance lacks basic empathy and compassion. It is very difficult trying to finish watching this video. She should not have been allowed to yell over Alexandra, or anybody else. The director should have spoken up and asked her to let the others finish, just as they have done in other middle ground videos.

[@eddiec5409]

It didn’t seem like she was not being empathetic, it seem like she was trying to show them that even children conceived in rape are human.

[@kipapula6838]

I don't think there's empathy to show. State your case and move on. Constance was solid

[@mwright80]

Constance is just one of those people who puts herself above others. That's why she feels okay interrupting people and making faces when they say things she doesn't agree with. She wants them to feel overpowered and ridiculed.

[@chrisallum9044]

@@mwright80 She didn't interrupt others, others interrupted her. When they did she continued speaking.

[@h3ll0kittyshandl3r]

@@chrisallum9044 literally rewatch almost everytime alexandra tried to talk…she interrupted her and interrupted almost everyone on the pro choice side

[@pinkblooded_x]

absolutely LOVED Alexandra's composure, so brave and level headed, both in replies and while others spoke, her mind was already ahead of anything anyone tried to run her over with.. she alone overshadowed entire anti squad.

[@DudeRX]

Lol

[@itsmj3103]

the fact that I don't even remember her name but I immediately knew who all these comments are about 🙌

[@07foxmulder]

So brave. So strong. So wow.

[@pinkblooded_x]

​@@itsmj3103 exactlyyy, she so visibly stood her fort and elaborated on any miscommunication, its inspiring

[@emmanuelrufai6471]

Pro abortion is nonsense

[@neobongzzz]

I love how Alexandra expressed herself.

[@agneskoekkoek304]

constance saying 'dont put a group of pro-life and pro-choicers together' just shows they dont even want to try understanding the perspective of others

[@sarajesshorton]

That's a valid point. I think an alternative point is they're making an observation of how pro-life / pro-choice debates usually go, not that they want it to be that way.

[@iDeagles]

Singling out the darkest person there just shows how racist you are.

[@MrStudo67]

Unfortunately, there's nothing more to understand. We all know and have heard both sides of the argument by now. Pro choice believes the mothers life is more important than the babies, and pro lifers believe their equally important

[@Noa......]

​​@@MrStudo67Babies are defined as newborn/infant, and not as unborn. Adult have reached personhood, but fetus before 20 weeks have not. So, how equal?

[@eaqua56]

I think it was a joke but yeah

[@1237tnb]

My jaw dropped when I heard about these engaged and married teens. Obviously, to each their own, but... that's so young.

[@boom1612]

I literally can’t imagine

[@ch1w0m]

are all of them 18/19??? are some of these people minors i’m so lost

[@lisag4122]

That's very common in a lot of areas all across the world

[@sierra4107]

lol fr I used to be pro choice but lately I been thinking under 18? Straight to abortion

[@1237tnb]

@@ch1w0m all of them are teens. Constance said she got married at 18. I'm not assuming the engaged girl is over 18 though. However, I do think she referred to herself as an adult.

[@azayzelderegis1655]

Alexandra was extremely insightful, and she handled herself so well up there. I am impressed. You go, girl! I hope you're able to become the mother you want to be one day, when you feel ready.

[@Pop-punkSakuga]

Nah if you’re willing to get an abortion you shouldn’t have kids cuz why do those future kids matter more than the ones I’m the future but hey whatever it is what it is

[@abc123iii8]

@@Pop-punkSakuga All due respect, but having an abortion and then later having a child has nothing to do with "those future kids mattering more". Rather, it is a matter of having adequate resources, having the ability to carry out a pregnancy, physical and mental state/capabilities, and so on.

[@alexzink1318]

@ダーク・キャナージュ if u get an abortion you don’t deserve to have any more kids. Plus she was already involved with planned parenthood and still fucked up

[@user-qy8ib4ef1g]

her points were extremely weak. and i'm pro abortion

[@KR-vu9mo]

@@user-qy8ib4ef1g how would you argue differently

[@trufflesrheaven]

They aren’t “pro-abortion”. They’re pro-choice.

[@samuelhong4272]

There is no meaningful difference. Pro choice implies pro abortion.

[@noenness7551]

The hypocrisy at 32:00 is INSANE. "It's a long process, I have the CHOICE to become a parent" is something insane to say while arguing against abortion

[@theivygames5069]

Exactly. You had the choice to keep your child. That’s what PRO CHOICE is. It isn’t “all people get abortions now” but it’s “you can choose to become a mother”

[@sarapakhladzhyan2246]

Okay but there is a difference. He isnt obligated because isnt with child. When your pregnant, there really shouldn't be looking for choices on being a parent or not. For him it didnt matter because getting a child or not doesnt harm one, were as abortion does.

[@user-hg4hz1lx2h]

⁠@@sarapakhladzhyan2246I don’t think they get that part. The choice was made long before the child was up for adoption…. You had unprotected relations and got pregnant that’s your responsibility. Simple

[@lachlanross1]

they mean the choice of having sex

[@drfifteenmd7561]

I mean, not really. They’re probably pro-adoption.

[@kathykat010]

Love that how terrible her experience was and yet she still has patience for such crap. She is incredible, Alexandra! Thank you for being brave for all of us!

[@AnguishedMan]

Lol why u using bots to give yourself likes?

[@shipmasterofsanghelios9856]

Constance was so incredibly rude. Like, I was shocked at her hostility.

[@jellllybean30]

She’s pro life. Hostility comes free with it.

[@TonyMezaXD]

She doesn’t respect anyone ideologically opposed to her, she thinks she is the righteous one. They are all murderers to her. The funniest thing was the beginning when she admitted she was a full time activist, so no job. Just a Full time freak 7 days a week.😮

[@Nyrfan30]

⁠@@jellllybean30 lol wanting babies to live is hostile? You freaks crack me up.

[@bakedbombshell1694]

⁠@@Nyrfan30 yeah she’s projecting her miserable life and poor decision making onto those free from taking care of kids as a teen

[@letacath6592]

WHEN HE WAS COMPARING ABORTION TO SLAVERY AND THE ZOOM IN ON WYLANS FACE GOT ME

[@pete456113]

Alexandra is an inspiration.

[@maddiewallace5070]

RESPECT to Alexandra for still having a respectful debate even when the other side would be disrespectful and laugh, smile, or snicker! Same for when Daphne stepped up to a prop for herself and you could see the opposing side laughing.

[@lawsattitude1999]

Daphe was full of it. She's clearly coping.

[@Ayushh_ch]

Convo could have been a lot better if constance wasnt there

[@Corrin27]

Alexandra was on point. Well spoken and passionate. Constance is immature and irresponsible which she tries to disguise by being well versed in her “activism”.

[@smellycatbutts]

@@tigerseyeproductions Since we are predicting the future. No, Cosntance will be a loud and intolerant mother. Her kids will want to leave her house, and go no contact as soon as they can.

[@ran7012]

@@tigerseyeproductions u can stop trolling Alexandra goes to uc Berkeley and is getting a degree she will become very successful 😂

[@ivanadawson702]

@@tigerseyeproductions I think they both will be successful, fulfilled, and whole.

[@L2-L2]

I'd say having unprotected sex and having an abortion are more irresponsible

[@Prod.Ethaan]

@@tigerseyeproductions she is haveing a kid and she doesn’t have a job bruh are u on somethin

[@lilydebolt4279]

Constance said a fetus fits nasa requirements as being an “individual” human, when it can’t even survive by itself if it is not inside the mother. And the fact that they are prioritizing that over these grown women is insane.

[@blablaklabautermann7578]

Plants would also count as "life". Still we are ripping them apart and eating them..

[@lilydebolt4279]

@@blablaklabautermann7578animals as well. Except animals are already on earth having a conscious experience, unlike a fetus.

[@blablaklabautermann7578]

@@lilydebolt4279 jep. That's why animals have rights and plants don't. I think the rule should if something is concious and can actually feel is important, not if it fits some basic requirements for "living".

[@cosmo588]

To be fair modern technology can help a 24 week premature baby live outside of the womb.

[@jamall5143]

​@@cosmo588This is only used in extreme circumstances though, when the child can't survive in the womb and when the parents want to and are able to support a child. Additionally, the child is developmentally stunted through this procedure, potentially even requiring future medical care to even live in the first place. I know that a lot of parents couldn't live with themselves if they didn't give their child the opportunity to live, but there are also parents out there who couldn't live with themselves if they forced their child to live with those previously mentioned burdens.

[@TiogaTobias-vs2hn]

it is mind boggling that teenagers would sit there and say what they said about rape pregnancies. I’m ashamed

[@misturatokunade66]

@@politicalanalyst1254 are you saying rape victims that get pregnant put themselves on that situation?

[@hippychicken82]

​@@politicalanalyst1254none chooses to be rape what a outrageous and frankly insane comment, have a word with yourself!

[@isaakjones7137]

​@@misturatokunade66 WTF, and that fact people like this disgusting comment.

[@nobody-hh8rd]

@@politicalanalyst1254You are so inconsiderate and must lack empathy. It’s called rape because they didn’t contest to it, they are NOT putting themselves in that position if they didn’t ask or want it

[@politicalanalyst1254]

@@nobody-hh8rd Learn to spell lol. It’s “CONSENT” not “contest”

[@Uhgoodone]

I don’t think Braedon will ever have to worry about getting anyone pregnant 😂 Hey sis 🌈

[@latonyajordan788]

I was thinking this! Thought he was a queen 😂😫

[@qlaure]

😂😂😂

[@macbroekpro2896]

Men being there arguing about woman’s bodies and their choices was already disturbing for me, but then Constance started talking and I am disgusted about the way she talks.

[@leahsvetanic]

It’s not woman’s bodies though. If it was “their body their choice”, they’d be the ones getting aborted.

[@iceblaze3043]

I disagree with your first statement, because I believe men should try to save human life. Constance should have had more empathy, but she is very logical, and scientific.

[@LizzylooFuntinati-hx5gd]

@iceblaze3043 Uh…no. She was argumentative and confusing

[@iceblaze3043]

@@LizzylooFuntinati-hx5gd You can disagree with her, but most of what she said was factually correct.

[@Feminazi1dc]

the race card immediately being played for no reason really set the scene lmfao

[@MattCrossley-kn5ij]

Yea brandon...I don't think you not having sex is by your own choice. Lol

[@britt1953]

It 100% is selfish to bring a child in a bad situation. You’re not thinking about the child’s life at that point. You’re thinking about your guilty conscience and worrying about being a “good person.”

[@unknownbich]

exactly. when they said that mentally ill people should be allowed to have children bc they want to really threw me off. as someone with an abusive mom who had an abusive mom, my mom should've chose to NOT have a child. it baffles me how they think its not selfish when it literally is. mental health plays such an integral part in parenthood and its not talked about often.

[@unknownbich]

and not to mention she had me for selfish reasons.

[@agginswaggin]

would you rather have been aborted or adopted?

[@carabinapacifista5627]

Your quality of life does not determine the value of your life

[@RacingPepe]

@@unknownbich I can relate to you. Also coming from an abusive mom who had me for selfish reasons, people have kids for all kinds of monetary gain or to mend a broken relationship. And then when their plan fails, they're stuck with a child they don't "need". Yes, many parents are self centered and ignorant.

[@irma7192]

Alexandra is really well-spoken and informed

[@Jk-ow8ny]

Alexandre is a human killer

[@zachmandoooo]

In what way is she well informed?

[@Jk-ow8ny]

@@zachmandoooo in no way , the comments just full of bias

[@manniefresh3425]

@@zachmandoooo well… she was well informed cause she said thing I agree with duh

[@caroqt]

Alexandra was incredibly ignorant lol

[@amvndaxv]

22:29 it's actually baffling how Constance interrupted Alexandra without hesitation and as soon as Alexandra attempts to speak again Constance starts yelling over her. i think that shows immaturity, then again she IS only a teenager. I'm just wondering who she is trying to fool by pretending to be an adult. getting married and having children seems to never end well.

[@eezyweezy490]

Then do not get married and don't have sex if you know the consequences

[@kumaranvij]

One of the forced-birthers called Planned Parenthood a business. PP a non-profit organization. It is not a business in that it does not make a PROFIT, which is what businesses are designed to do. It charges fees in order to pay for things like rent, salaries of staff, etc. No one is getting rich off performing abortions, at least not at PP. Perhaps at a fancy private hospital where you get your own room and very nice facilities. PP serves its communities well with clean rooms, competent and caring staff, etc., but it is definitely a no-frills operation.

[@1___just_living_life]

Why is nobody talking about how they are supposed to be teens, but they are well over teen ages 😭

[@TheLegendOfRandy]

Does it matter? Let's say they're 20? _So what?_

[@Crawlspeedgames]

Frfr

[@Crawlspeedgames]

@@TheLegendOfRandybc it says teen Einstein

[@aidanaldrich7795]

Wdym? They are all like 18 and 19, teens

[@aidanaldrich7795]

Wdym? They are all like 18 and 19, which are teens

[@AshtynJ3]

I feel like what Daphne was trying to say was if a women was to get SA’d and she was to fall pregnant it would probably be hard for her to have to support a child that she did not want to have nor did she want to birth.

[@kays1599]

Braedon speaking out so clearly about his virginity it beautiful

[@darkangelprincess101]

Being divorced it's actually better for children then the parents being in an unhappy relationship

[@Miss_Kisa94]

Agreed. It seriously made me mad when he said that divorce was worse than a parent dying. I would have handled my parents getting divorced way better than when my father died.

[@meiaio]

No one says otherwise

[@Miss_Kisa94]

@@meiaio there was a boy who literally said otherwise

[@meiaio]

@@Miss_Kisa94nope, he said something along the line of: "it's worst for a parent to be divorced than dead"

[@ehansaluja1413]

Not necessarily true.

[@sheilaray2193]

Alexandra was so well spoken and calm! I’m amazed at how she remained so composed even when people were aggressively cutting her off and speaking over her!!

[@SpacesCharlie]

Huge respect to Alexandra. Calling out that there is a philosophical component to this was an area I wish we heard more discussion on across the room.

[@cindylouhoo5641]

yes that was great! the others disregarded it so quickly. "a defense of abortion" argument by judith thompson is an essential resource to this argument.

[@TheArtObsessed]

👏Women👏are 👏not👏incubators👏

[@heyyyitstori9800]

I believe Alexandra is extremely and brave for sharing her story while still grieving the loss, I also believe that the grieving is never going to stop. Throughout the episode she talked about wanting a family of her own, I believe once she does start having children seeing them hit milestones and raise them into adulthood she is forever going to remember that child she aborted when she was younger, and maybe she’ll be thankful for it, that because of her decision to give her child up, her current children are allowed to be raised in a healthier situation, but that is a fact that nobody can truly know.

[@alexandrarojas6433]

You can always ask me lol my social media is in the bio of the video!

[@alexandrarojas6433]

Check in with me 5-10 years from now!

[@jen-co7yy]

@@alexandrarojas6433alexandra! you’re so smart and so eloquently spoken i fear i might have to look up to you for a while

[@jialian93]

These teens are trying to get pregnant and have fiancees? Jeez I'm 30 and still don't have a kid

[@Yenny-1014]

Same I'm 30 and I have a bunch of friends from high-school 30 with no kids and fiancé too

[@prnst4r]

@@Yenny-1014 Nice 👍🏻

[@Tezah89]

Umm, ok!!! lol

[@lizjullyanne]

Lmfao SAME I’m like in THIS ECONOMY?? But even then I just don’t want to be a parent anyway

[@jialian93]

@@Yenny-1014 I'm shocked that one is TRYING to have kids

[@kykychan4520]

as a foster care kid, who’s mother was a drug addict for a long time before i went in i would 100% rather have an abortion than put my kid in a situation with me to where they need to be placed in the foster system. bc it’s not just the system that fucks you up it the neglect, the domestic violence, abuse, the drug abuse, the financial struggling, the societal isolation, and sometimes sa of the situation the child was in with the parents before going into the system. if i was an addict who knew i wasn’t going to get help i 100% would get an abortion instead of birthing that child. for me that is the correct decision. everyone should have a choice in what they want for their life so just don’t make laws that effect EVERYONE.

[@cherreline]

If your mother had aborted you you wouldn’t even be typing this, keep that in mind. I’d rather let my kid have a chance at life and have a chance at improving it than not at all

[@aashi225]

I love you

[@ratpatootie9579]

Hot take: I don’t think broke ppl should have children. It’s selfish 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@WestCoastAnglo]

Terrible take I grew up broke and had a great childhood

[@ratpatootie9579]

@@WestCoastAnglo no child should grow up in poverty, no child should wonder whether or not they’ll have something to eat before they go to bed. I’m glad YOU came out happy but others do have resentment.

[@audriella2408]

THISS like it pisses me off

[@WestCoastAnglo]

@@ratpatootie9579Im from the U.S so it’s probably different than other places but in my country food stamps and free school lunches are readily available for the poor. Didn’t know so many people supported eugenics here

[@melissab3217]

I'm living for Daphne's facial expressions and Alexandra's well-thought out arguments.

[@isauldlc-qj5qe]

"well though out" just spills all the planned parenthood pamphlet.

[@miloudvt]

That take of divorce being ‘harder’ on a child than the loss of a parent is just ridiculous, because not all children of divorced parents (such as myself) wish their parents were together, but I’m pretty sure most children want their parents alive and well

[@Sheeeeerigirl]

Let's just say they are both painful processes for the child. The process of dealing with the pain and healing from the pain may be very different but Let's not try to fall into categorizing how people process painful situations.

[@naariznica3133]

@@Sheeeeerigirl let’s not paint divorce as something always negative. Death of a parent, in 99% of cases, is. I find it ridiculous to even say they are similarly painful, let alone that divorce produces more pain.

[@Sheeeeerigirl]

@@naariznica3133 Divorce may not always be negative but the effect is still painful on the child. You do realize that it's an innate desire to want our parents? The point is to say it is painful either way. It's the same chemical reaction in the brain. As when I am in labor or when I break a bone-the same region in my brain is activated. And as I said,the process of healing is very different but the pain experienced is very similar.

[@Callisto_52Hz]

@@Sheeeeerigirl its not always painful. divorce is better than a two parent home with constant domestic abuse, constant arguments, and no love. its better than watching depressed parents who can't live their lives to the fullest because they are tied down to the other parent, and having them eventually drag the kids down with them or turn their children into free therapists/peacemakers. you'll still have your parents even though they don't live in the same house. some parents even get along way better when they're divorced and become better co-parents. this "divorce is always painful" narrative sounds like it comes from people who never had to watch their parents be miserable cause they wanna stay together "for the kids' sake."

[@susanwilliams2392]

Yeah, I've experienced both, and divorce is sucky, but grief is in a whole other league. No competition, death of a (loved) parent is a million times worse than divorced living parents, at least in my experience.

[@karafritts5337]

Alexandria ATE THAT PANEL UP. Constance needs to pipe down with that Christian sentimental crap

[@aidanaldrich7795]

That human rights crap

[@Gabriel_Jackson]

You can never find middle ground when the ideology of one group challenges the morality of another.

[@KuraiCelestial]

@Freedom Eagle but its not wrong tho lol

[@sorryoutlandish]

@Freedom Eagle it’s almost like society and dipshits like you shame and stigmatize people for having abortions and call them “murderers” lmao. It’s almost y’all are the cause of it

[@Gabriel_Jackson]

@@KuraiCelestial That depends. Are you referring to socially wrong or morally wrong? Socially wrong completely depends on societal standards. However, morally wrong is much more philosophical and is based on the collective beliefs of an individual. So it's not so simple. It is possible, in some cases, that the guilt one feels is based on the individual making a decision that goes against their own moral standard, even if it's societally acceptable.

[@keertika8757]

@freedomeagle6192 you have guilt for things that werent even morally wrong. its about what standards you put on yourself. eg: do i have guilt for cutting off toxic people? yes. do i regret it? no. guilt =/= regret.

[@mattiemakesmusic]

@Freedom Eagle it was a personal choice for them, it's not your place to decide whether it is "wrong" or not.

[@colleenruf7139]

Braedon being afraid of his own consciousness never existing really bugged me. Like, yeah, it’s scary to think of never existing NOW. But if you had never had existed or had thoughts in the first place… you wouldn’t have the opportunity to fear it! It’s an impossibility. Your worth as a human comes from the life you’ve lived and the experiences you’ve had, NOT from your time spent in utero.

[@emilyhass7111]

it amazes me that braedon had the courage to share his experience in the foster care system and share all the abuse he was exposed to yet at the same time advocates for the foster care system as if he is okay with his future children experiencing what he did..

[@mel-oo1wt]

Yeah, it is real proof of the resiliency of mankind that Brandon still values his existence despite his difficult past. Imagine that.

[@litlehope8887]

Because its better then being dead 🤦

[@tiktoksyoulove]

@@litlehope8887is it? because a fetus isnt getting abused and taken advantage of. alive, walking, talking children know what is happening. they can be hurt. i would rather be aborted than have to go through the shitty foster care system.

[@litlehope8887]

@@tiktoksyoulove Thats your opinion 🤡 . Most people wouldnt rather that 🙄 . Dead or not dead for normal people its quite simple

[@tiktoksyoulove]

@@litlehope8887 my nephew was in foster care BECAUSE his parents were teenagers. they were considering abortion but decided not to, even though that would be the better option rather than having that poor little baby from ages 0-3 being in foster care. it was an unwanted pregnancy and now my nephew will have to deal with the effects of having been in foster care and not having his parents there for the earliest years of his life. i’m not saying i don’t blame this on my brother and his girlfriend - they were heavy drug users, so of course the baby would be taken. i’m saying that if they had have had the abortion, everybody all around would have been happier. kids would rather have not been here than not have their parents there for them and instead have to endure unfair abuse.