Do White People Experience Racism? | Middle Ground

[@jubilee]

Hi Goodhumans - we made an error, and Ciera's name is misspelled in this episode. We are working to get this issue fixed so that her name is represented properly in the video itself, but in the meantime, we know that some of you have been looking for her on social media and having trouble finding her due to our mistake. You can find her here: instagram.com/cierafosterofficial/ We're working on this and will hopefully have it resolved shortly. Thank you Ciera for being a part of this discussion, and we sincerely apologize for our mistake.

[@cierafoster8899]

Thank you! ,)

[@fredhammer98340]

Please explore the offspring of bi-racial people. The griffes and quadroons need love too.

[@Sszz501]

You guys should do one with Indigenous Land defenders and White colonial politics!!!

[@ryanmichaud2363]

How do you mess up such a simple name? That ciera probably wrote down somewhere for you guys?

[@fosminclorin]

@@ryanmichaud2363 it's not that big of a deal

[@iamgogo.]

I actually want to see a middle ground episode between Africans and African Americans. For the most part there are still issues between both groups on whether to identify as one or be separate due to historical experiences, culture and geographic location

[@DistortedV12]

Can y'all (and the bots) stop commenting this please?

[@tree9273]

@@DistortedV12 why u mad

[@erickdorazco4469]

For real I want to see this. Like the topic would be so much diverse and knowledge.

[@lettuce258]

People have been asking for this for years now. Why haven’t they done it?

[@giga_chad911]

Bro I was thinking the exact same thing when I clicked on the video

[@_Palesa_M]

I just wish there were more races i.e hispanics, asian etc in order to make the conversation even more nuanced. Too often it seems like the racism is mainly spectacled in black and white spaces whereas it would be great to hear an Asian or Hispanic experience with racism more, and their overall point of view.

[@thurnishaley6649]

I hear what you are saying but this is the best way for them to boil it down because there are more white people who strongly judge black people (and vise versa) than any other racial dynamic in the world.

[@KnijMagz]

@@thurnishaley6649 yeah I agree with that especially in America. Even when we get taught history we speak about Enslaved Africans and racist European colonialist. Every other demographic is not discussed...as if they don't exist in our history until after the Civil rights movement.

[@lourie966]

@@zayah01 As an Asian American, I can tell you firsthand that the experience for me has been Asian vs every other race in America. I think the viewpoint really depends on whatever bubble you’re in and community you’ve been surrounded by. With that being said, I agree w/ OP that there should be a separate video on that to provide more perspective.

[@merrymachiavelli2041]

@@thurnishaley6649 Err....well, I'm not sure that's true. I guess it depends how you define 'race'. But there are certainly many countries who clearly have more animosity between ethnic groups. To list a few, African Hunter Gatherers (otherwise known as Pygmies) in the DRC (still widely enslaved BTW), Rohingya Muslims in Burma, Kurds across the Middle East, Roma/Gypsy people in parts of Europe. I'm just saying, there is a lot of racial/ethnic strife in the rest of the world, and all the groups I just listed have been targeted by genocide and ethnic cleansing in the past century. By no reasonable metric is the Black/White dynamic in the US the most toxic in the world.

[@NXTHNU.]

Hispanic isn’t a race

[@katsumiis4699]

I wish more people understood the difference between discrimination and racism.

[@simianto9957]

Exactly! Racism can be done by any race and upon any race, discrimination is not race per se

[@Jay-ny1hb]

I think what you mean and what you should look into more is the definition of both racism and systemic racism.

[@strrangermike]

@@simianto9957 racism is a system. Ur wrong.

[@shelbyc7285]

@@strrangermike That's incorrect. This is the definition: prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized. Says nothing about a system.

[@mmmpenacolada]

@@shelseadayardie1310 “or philosophy” … meaning both a system and philosophy. Meaning both systemic and individual..

[@aliciajackson8314]

I love that this was an actual discussion & not an argument. We need more conversations like this.

[@saszablaze1]

i think you need to look at the definition of "argument"

[@Dissarae2469]

@@saszablaze1 it's a debate, not an argument

[@saszablaze1]

@@Dissarae2469 might wanna look up the definition of argument. and debate too.

[@Dissarae2469]

@@saszablaze1 maybe you do. a debate is a formal assembly where people with different opinions debate and give their opinions on a topic. arguments are used IN a debate but this is a debate, not an argument

[@tabasco.15]

My great great grandfather was one of the first freed slaves in Louisiana able to purchase land. He made sure to put, in writing, on 5 different stationaries (because some lawyers at the time didn't accept a will from a former slave so he had to find one that would legitimize it) that his little plot of land would go to his children. His first son did the same. My grandfather as well. My dad took me to a tiny 1/8 acre of land in Louisiana and said, "Our family is the PROUD owner of this land". It's one of the smallest but biggest, most amazing things I've seen in my life.

[@animuckelroy6751]

That is so beautiful and powerful. I’m so happy you got to experience a moment like that

[@MsBre7]

This made me tear up

[@MrShanester117]

I don’t even get what that has to do with the video

[@joltixer3099]

@@MrShanester117 did you watch the video...? Literally at the end of the video discussing reparations the whole point was that black people were promised land which they never got, and that when they received wealth and land it was often taken from us

[@dxcoco8578]

As a Louisiana native that is awesome and you should be proud. The history is Louisiana is rich and full of incredible people. I wish the government was less corrupt so we could thrive.

[@mitchboland9591]

I’m not sure if it was done before, but having 3 different parties in a video is really neat

[@Mooodyyhhh]

I don’t think it has been

[@Zombie_Sire]

everyone should get a say; i think it should ALWAYS be part of any discussion.

[@layahud5973]

the biracials apparently identify as black so it’s really not

[@Random-sk6hm]

I really appreciated it and found it interesting

[@bvnny1379]

Same, I agree.

[@autumnrichelle1097]

We need a “white mom biracial vs black mom biracial” video

[@kaonashii.]

That would interesting

[@ShootinTheBriez]

I would love to see this.

[@truth-sucks6143]

@Coley cole yes, black mother “biracials”are more aware in my opinion of their black side and more inclined toward their black beauty. White mom “biracials” are not.

[@CrockyDile15]

...YES. Very huge difference and would be interesting and eye opening to see.

[@draculacastle8510]

There’s definitely a difference. I roomed with a biracial girl who’s mom I knew was white before I even saw her. It’s very telling

[@brendonslife4584]

"Its prejudice, not racism" prejudice based on race IS racism 😭

[@GenerationNextNextNext]

No. Racism is the belief in the concept of race (race) and to create a distinctive practice, system, or philosophy, typically a political ideology or an artistic movement (-ism) based on race. The suffix refers to ism, that is the meaning of ism: system. Look up "ism" in the dictionary. Prejudice is simply an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics, making them essentially two very different things if you examine the two words linguistically. But we've constantly changed what the word racism means to make some people more comfortable with it when linguistically the definition is there when you speak. Linguistically, it makes no sense for racism to mean prejudice based on race ALONE. Don't they teach language arts in schools anymore? Think about capitalism and socialism and Marxism. They refer to systems and practices and philosophies due to having the suffix "ism" in them. Capitalism doesn't mean "hatred towards poor people". It's a description of a system (ism) that is based on the prefix: capital. Common sense.

[@Molehasmoles]

@@GenerationNextNextNext Look up some definitions of racism. According to those that I read, racism is not what you're saying it is,

[@PeterRiello]

​@@GenerationNextNextNext -Ism doesn't have to mean system. The suffix ultimately comes from Ancient Greek and it was used to create abstract nouns in general. Not to mention that languages are constantly changing and evolving. Also, I don't think it's accurate to say that people are always changing the definition of racism. By the widely accepted definition, a white person being hostile to a black person because they dislike the black race is racism. But according to your definition as you defined it in your comment, it isn't racism because it doesn't involve a system, practice, philosophy, or ideology.

[@isolatedanonymous1979]

@@GenerationNextNextNextdon’t waste you’re time on these ppl. They’re not as intelligent as you and they choose not to educate themselves about anything.

[@rottenkittenparvo]

@@Molehasmolesits more nuanced than that, you just wann be victim sooooo bad

[@soupcat101]

For some reason, every single episode of this series or Spectrum makes me really think about how massively complicated humanity's history and morals are.

[@jamangel]

WOW

[@TheSycaman]

Despite that humanity, did you notice that with all of our complexities and difficulties, some groups still got preferential treatment and only some wrongdoing was corrected ?

[@yeabBirru]

Yeah if your morals are based on ideology and not logic and facts

[@tmwhisper8086]

Some people choose extreme morals tho and extreme things so it depends

[@amethystgrace]

* Ding Ding Ding * that's the entire point of producing the series.

[@LibRoseITM]

I think just the fact that everyone stayed completely calm in their tone of voice is really important for these conversations!

[@Peace-iz7gj]

While the beautiful black and biracial women are sitting there victimizing themselves, the white girl in the green jacket is sitting there feeling sorry for them. She say "it sounds exhausting for you" and "you can't win".'. She has them just where she wants them mentally. Poor, helpless,, needy and pitiful.😂😂😂Stop the madness ladies!! Sin will always be present and stop comparing yourself to others and get the job done. PERIOD.

[@NikkiLamb-q1q]

Maybe they are a group of soeopaths.

[@robo1513]

@@NikkiLamb-q1q would you rather everyone talking over each other screaming? That's basically what debate/discussions are now (even in most Jubilee videos) so I find it nice that there's a group of level-headed people.

[@SonOfDenis]

@@Peace-iz7gjWTF is you even saying? 😂

[@Peace-iz7gj]

@@SonOfDenis Read it again s l o w l y. 😂

[@charlesross5837]

I want to see a full uncut version of this because I believe the conversations even as deep as they already are, had the potential to be even deeper. Granted I know automatically certain sides can’t speak freely without the internet blasting them, but I do like the idea of sitting together and having a real discussion of past, present and future like this

[@WoahhTeamJacob]

Yes

[@DistortedV12]

"certain sides" lol

[@erika3174]

These episodes are almost always cut way too short. Feels like half the conversations are missing sometimes

[@jhsemoxitha3821]

Same

[@notrealanymoretbh]

“Certain sides” were u referring to the white people who may not have been as transparent due to the internet? 😅(genuine question)

[@Sara-dz6mi]

Prejudice against race is racism. Prejudice based on sex is sexism. LIFE does not discriminate, PEOPLE do. Be proud of your heritage.

[@Anakin.Skywalker44]

systems do too

[@Anakin.Skywalker44]

@@sandykouame7123 buddy thinks racism is an ideology

[@Pinkpinkybear]

Yes. Some people are just crazy. White people can and are experiencing racism. The more I'm watching content from USA the more I'm starting to think that Americans are living in a weird bubble. I understand that race problems are different in USA and that might have something to do with this but if you feel the need to try to twist, turn and redefine word racism just so you don't need to admit that white people can experience racism, there's something wrong with you. How absolutely disappointing and sad that this is something people are trying normalize. Every race can be victims of racism and every race is capable of racism.

[@kinojohnson6463]

Never feel shame of who you are and how you're born.

[@John-tr5hn]

Some people would call that a transphobic statement.

[@pastafrolla625]

@@John-tr5hn then some people have problems

[@marlonmoncrieffe0728]

...That goes for white people too.

[@otonielvictor4900]

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[@masam0000]

@@John-tr5hn This is about race not gender

[@sonjamiller8711]

We need a middle ground for native Americans because the negative effects of colonialism are very prevalent in their lives.

[@Armyblink4life554]

Ikr they need a Native American one that would be cool too

[@julianaguilar9316]

With "full" blood and biracial natives

[@davruck1]

native americans are a made up designation. blacks were here before the united states was formed, yet the government wont allow us to be free

[@SelimxBradley]

sucks to suck

[@chichi5985]

“Even more” pls

[@andrewnolastname2337]

Genuinely believing one race is not capable of experiencing racism is incredibly racist.

[@alishaoop2676]

its true, idk why white ppl wanna experience racism so bad. no matter what u will never know what its like to be a person of color

[@jackquack25]

@@alishaoop2676 ur wrong. white people experience more racism than blacks

[@BK-ut3wc]

@@alishaoop2676 idk why people of colour say racist stuff about white people… then say white people don’t experience racism

[@shivikap3893]

@@alishaoop2676 you do not own experiencing racism and saying "no matter what u will never know what its like to be a person of color" is like boxing all poc into one box. so many poc have experienced racism but alot of it has been from one another, not specifically white people, i would even go to such a degree to say that white ppl are one of the least racist races in the world simply because most of them live in countries like america, canada and other western countries where there is more diversity than anywhere else in the world. alot of white ppl grow up around people of all races because so many people from everywhere immigrate to those countries. but places like asia, africa, europe and etc are actually very racist because they form opinions of other races because they only know what other races are like based on stereotypes. alot of black ppl are racist to asian ppl, europeans are racist to black ppl. i kind of diverted there, but to box billions of ppl in to this one catagory is wrong because all of us are different. and teh statement that poc experience it more than white ppl is true because most of us dont live in diversity but using it as a way to just completely ignore white ppl who do experience racism because "they'll never know what its like to be like us" is completely ignorant and regressive. and white ppl dont know what its like to be a poc and they probably never will but then you went out of your way to say they "they tryna be like us so bad" is you also admittedly ignoring their side of the story.

[@alishaoop2676]

@@shivikap3893 i aint reading allat sorry maybe next time buddy

[@qinisombili9751]

Bryn is such an amazing woman. When she asked "what's it like" I really saw her humanity and her kindness.

[@charlesrichardson8694]

Completely agree, we need more Bryns in the world

[@chrissyj_]

completely agree, when she said she was training to be a therapist, it made so much sense. she'll be amazing at her job, we do need more Bryns in this world as the other commenter said

[@melstokes-od9sp]

She is going to be a great therapist

[@mackenziemartin6338]

I really appreciated how respectful everyone was. I feel like when people are calm and respectful about an opinion that you don’t necessarily agree with it makes it much more palatable and makes you more likely to listen to the other person and maybe even learn something. That’s definitely something I personally need to work on so I really appreciated the people in this video

[@MorganCPaige]

They all genuinely seemed to want to LISTEN

[@altruex]

Also because there’s consequences. Their being filmed, but there was also probably preliminary contracts or agreement on the mutual respect aspect prior to filming.

[@liamcomam2787]

No one gonna point out that the ”white guy” is Jewish. Jews are not white. Jews don’t call themselves white.

[@altruex]

@@liamcomam2787 Just my opinion and im also wanting to learn.... Regarding using skin color to define race, this is why i think using or perpetuating the concepts of white and black etc are just reductionist and problematic. Rather than educating each other on our actual ethnicities, we keep resulting to reducing it to color of our skins which makes it easier to perpetuate these issues further. (not to deny the struggle of black folks or marginalized communities nonetheless, I just see a need to shift away from resulting to these ideas, I often use these terms out of ignorance which I wish I don't as a need to continue to educate myself. Added im curious, do Jewish people not consider themselves any particular colour? (with inconsideration to what i said above - in addition, I would assume this is a touchy subject for them as its the whole reason why Jewish communities have face so much trauma with anti-Semitic/white-supremacist attitudes)

[@GenerationNextNextNext]

Mackenzie, you are my people. I feel the same. I've been working on that woman in the mirror. It's more refreshing to find people who want to personally grow instead of pointing the fingers.

[@zoinks8868]

Do a blind and deaf middle ground. It'll be interesting seeing how they view the world differently without their senses and the different prejudice that goes along with their disabilities.

[@NeroMai]

@thatscarecrow sign language interpreters

[@zoinks8868]

@thatscarecrow translators

[@doornroosje4695]

Yes that would be cool. But you need a whole organisation with interpreters so that on there ‘deaf side spot’ and on the ‘middleground spot’ they can understand each other. And maybe guidance for the blind people to middleground chairs if guiding with guiding dogs or guiding cane is not possible or very hard. But i am sure jubilee would be up for the organizational challenge. I am dutch so sorry for any mistakes i make in english.

[@jessicapogson2645]

@thatscarecrow interpreters yes, but lot of deaf people still have a percentage of hearing. not everyone is fully Deaf. they may have had implants or surgery too. or been forced to accustom to a world which does not accustom to them and therefore may have learnt to talk regardless of impairment.

[@WoahhTeamJacob]

@thatscarecrow Lmfaoooo

[@jessicabowers4811]

The dialog between Jimmy and Ciera was phenomenal. We need more conversations like this.

[@abe1540]

Less Ciera more Jimmy in my opinion.

[@salemlamminen3611]

@@abe1540 more ciera in my opinion, I loved her ❤️

[@andreb4339]

@@abe1540 nah more Ciera

[@AjiaJ]

@@abe1540 definitely not 😅lmfao

[@p.gizzle90]

@@abe1540 Why not more Ciera? 🤔I speculate, that u feel some type of way about her outspokenness, and thoughts/views. And u lack understanding from her standpoint.

[@astrorobinson3716]

I was a white kid who grew up in East St. Louis. I was the only white kid in my school. My name was literally “White boy”. None of the kids would call me anything else. I was ruthlessly bullied. I experienced racism. Just that simple.

[@Jaÿr-b2s]

No

[@solarityaj]

They wouldn't even call you by your name?

[@xgoldies]

@@solarityajwent to school in North Tulsa. No, your name is white boy, whitey, etc when you’re in that situation.

[@solarityaj]

@@xgoldies wow. Well that's dehumanizing

[@xgoldies]

@@solarityaj eh I got used to it 😂 made a lot of $ doing people’s homework.

[@Mannequeer]

The dictionary definition of racism does not exclude any race from experiencing racism. Prejudice towards a person regarding skin colour is racism.

[@markita.hardenhome]

Who is responsible for the definitions found in dictionaries? That's a modern definition that fails to capture the origin of "racism" and absolves those that benefited from it and created the idea of it. Lumping folks into caregories that we now call "race" has its ORIGINS in putting one group as superior over another to gain an economic/power advantage. Writing into the original laws of a begining country that those in positions of power (elected officials)......folks who look like us have these rights.....everyone else does NOT. And done with the sheer purpose of giving themselves and those that look like them an unfair access to power, backed by the law, AND access to wealth making. And future laws enacted by this group were made with the same purpose. Propping up self over everyone else. Even when discrimination became ILLEGAL.... they found work arounds....like banning things that other groups were known for doing and making penalties harsher for them....ie. Crack vs. Cocaine. Or barring access to govt. benefits by manipulating the qualification process...like IF your a home owner you can qualify... knowing that a certain demographic would be excluded because they tend to not own homes (cuz well we rejected their mortgage applications). Or saying you must have a degree... knowing that a certain demographic wont have a degree (cuz well we rejected them from universities).....or saying you must know how to read and write (cuz well we made if illegal for them to learn for generations).. you get my point. We have to have HONEST conversations about the REAL definition of racism in America.

[@Mannequeer]

@@markita.hardenhome the real definition of racism is already a fair definition because like I said, it doesn’t exclude any race from experiencing racism. Racism and institutional racism are not the same and people like you need to understand that.

[@CDNL.]

Exactly. I can't wrap my head around why people think white people can't experience racism.

[@crunchychunkypowdery5101]

This is not the first and will not be the last time a dictionary definition has been changed to fit the views and narrative of the times. People are offended by the word racism and wanted to be included in the word so they changed the definition to also include white people.

[@Mannequeer]

@@crunchychunkypowdery5101 the word racism was never changed to include white people, it already included white people. Unless you can provide evidence suggesting otherwise? People aren’t offended by the word racism, people are offended by racist words and actions.

[@JonathanSnyder1999]

Nuanced, filled with respectfulness, intelligent thought and articulation. This is truly one of the best middle ground episodes I've ever watched.

[@tangerines5822]

Agreed, and in particular, I loved Sierra's analysis. Especially the last prompt that was in response to Joshua.

[@Heimbach1966]

Snyder lmao you aren't White.

[@JonathanSnyder1999]

@@Heimbach1966 and you lack intelligence. 😒

[@arrow2589]

For real even the cop was okay

[@YouAREyoubeYou]

Same

[@Hellooo12456]

When we were taught about racism in school, the definition was "discrimination against someone based on their skincolour, ethnicity etc." So it doesn't only include black people

[@somekid7]

School doesn't teach you the origin of racism, nor does it teach you correct history. School education should not be the standard.

[@simulationst4tion]

nobody said it's exclusive to black people.. all minorities deal with racism. you cannot be racist to a white person.

[@yagurlvae401]

The teaching criteria is different at all schools mine taught us racism was always towards minorities not white people just cuz ur school taught it doesn’t mean that’s how it is lol lots of schools teach abt false history as well

[@andrewodinson3726]

@@yagurlvae401 You can look up the definition of racism on Google, neither of the options state that it is only applicable to minorities.

[@Hellooo12456]

@@yagurlvae401 Do you know what minority means? Minorities vary depending on the area. Black people are a minority in Europe, but white people are a minority in Africa. So if you were taught that racism is against minorities, that means the definition I gave still describes it correctly.

[@jeongnip8287]

i love how everyone respect eachnother. didnt cut anyone and always said “i respect that” i respectfully disagree” like dudeee this is what an actual OPEN MINDED IS. You know you have a diffrent opinion and you know you wouldnt agree with that but you still listen and respected each other experiences. diffrences is just diffrences after all. diffrences makes you learn to respect others.

[@Blondly]

Preach 👌 I thought the exact same ❤️

[@samirai7103]

I think it would be interesting to see a video on racism for Native Americans. I feel like they don't really get much recognition in these topics so it would be cool to see their perspective on things.

[@fum7891]

I agree. I too keep on wondering why Native Americans aren't talked about in this topic most of the time.

[@yk_Its_jax]

​@@fum7891im part native and mixed with white and i get bullied more for being white than my hispanic side and have seen my white family memebers being descriminated against for being white its sad

[@m0x331]

​@@yk_Its_jaxAs someone who is Mexican but light skin like very, were always joking about white people it's what every Mexican joke since when we were drivin away the land and yeah im pretty sure we still hold a grudge but now looking at it yeah racism is still racism. I hope you talk to your family about the way you feel, talk it out as a family you know. I'm sure you'll work it out if you just talk.

[@thecrimsondragon9744]

💯 we need channels like Jubilee and Vice to include more discussions debates involving Native Americans and indigenous peoples.

[@CindiHuey]

@@fum7891 I ask that question all the time. The double standard in this country is baffling. Kansas City Chiefs can have people in the stands doing the tomahawk chop, which I find highly offensive. But they can do this because they are winners. Cleveland Indians, Washington Redskins and other teams have had to change their names, because they weren't winning. Overlooking these racist undertones, because they are winners isn't okay. Indians are probably the most oppressed people in this country.

[@tamikash]

It would be interesting to get a conversation going between Black people from other countries in the world and Afro Americans to talk about how they view racism.

[@ms.bubs4fun506]

It's very different for African Americans due to slavery, Jim Crow laws, civil rights era and other historical events and animosity between blacks and whites. Africans in Africa are the majority in their countries so they have a different perspective.

[@Brothisisprivate]

Yep in europe racism is different, but still ruin people’s lives

[@FaithsStardust]

@@ms.bubs4fun506 There are Africans in other parts of the world than just African Americans and Africans in Africa.. Afro Carribeans.. England Spain Japan France Germany.. The Netherlands Pakistan.. Australia The list goes on. All of these groups would bring a different perspective.

[@corentinnicolas9857]

Racism issues in the US and France for example is so different. In France, just talking about races to define different ethnicities is completely forbidden and punishable. So it's always interesting for me to see American people discussing about races, or even dealing with races When they vote

[@Brothisisprivate]

@@corentinnicolas9857 On est d’accord ! Et je comprends pas pourquoi beaucoup de personnes de minorités en France veulent transposer des modèles de lutte qui viennent des États-Unis, sur la France. Ce sont deux univers qui ont une vision diamétralement opposée des ethnies, de la discrimination etc …

[@avakarimi02]

This is what a healthy conversation looks like. Many people can't have them but it's always nice to see one :)

[@micr0wavecapriisun774]

If I was there I would get kicked out 💀

[@TheLunarLex]

@@micr0wavecapriisun774 🤣🤣🤣

[@v4mplana]

@@micr0wavecapriisun774 why 😭

[@creativebecky_ra]

tru

[@confused_shark2537]

nice to see adults actually acting like adults during a political discussion for once

[@ThatAmbientGuy]

It’s not that deep. Racism is racism. You can’t solve racism by being racist.

[@donaldlusk2035]

Ciera and Jimmy's conversation was absolutely fantastic. We need more dialogue like this.

[@kennyjohnson8055]

We do not need more Jimmy’s

[@a1yssaa]

@@kennyjohnson8055 No we do need more people willing to learn& change.

[@-Sober-]

@@kennyjohnson8055 what do you hate about jimmy?

[@kennyjohnson8055]

@@a1yssaa that ain’t jimmy

[@kennyjohnson8055]

@@-Sober- he’s the personification of every misinfo campaign the GOP has ever run

[@thetom5522]

Jubilee, we're still waiting for Black Africans vs Black Americans video😭

[@TiredAmerican247]

That’s too realistic.

[@ava1772]

i would love to see how that one plays out

[@amberawchild]

THAT conversation really needs to be had.

[@therumtumtiger]

I'd love to hear each person's perspective.

[@etdonc3572]

If a black american like Ciera has the nerve to say that racism started with slavery in the US and only exist from white to black in that episode, we're gonna have a laugh.

[@dr.chris8]

As an African (From Zambia) , I would like to see middle ground between Africans and African-Americans. To make it fair the African sample should include individuals from varying divisions of Africa (southern, central, Eastern, Northern and western Africa) as we are diverse in our cultures and understanding.

[@Riaaonline]

I swear we been asking for this for years, where our video at lol?!

[@lovenoelani]

yes but it depends what we’re talking about. are we talking about Black and African Americans? cuz then it should just be black Africans. but if we’re talking about Americans of all races then yes I agree with what you said.

[@kaykayal2821]

So that Africans can bash A.A like they do on TikTok, pass.

[@JusdoinstuF]

can you explain why you want this topic? why not african vs carribeans?

[@BeWaReJay]

@@lovenoelani Idk what your trying to say but the term “African” also extends to white South Africans and not just the typical dark skinned African. Apologies if I misinterpreted the message

[@Bacon-N-Beer]

This was the most well put together group to touch on the subjects. Everyone was wanting to learn something rather than just project something and state cases of experience and just discuss. I definitely feel I was able to take a broader view from more perspective in this video and not feel like it was propagandal input or just forced.

[@smilesallround]

Thank you for separating black people and biracial people. It feels like they're always put in the same category, when my experience as a black person is different to that of a biracial person's.

[@obasiigwecomfort1407]

Me too. I agree

[@lasupremapersonal615]

Same!

[@bonsloweffect1449]

They are in my country they are classified as a different race so I was surprised that in American they are grouped in with the race that they look like the most

[@dtvl9468]

not to mention that biracial people experience unbelievable amounts of racism from black people

[@AA-ld6sj]

@@dtvl9468 same from white people 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@ghr8184]

The answer to Jimmy's question of potentially over-specialising the police force is to make every cop go through the same basic training before specialising into "domestic" or "social" or something like that - same as an MD. Every doctor gets a basic level of training before studying particulars of surgery or podiatry.

[@riku1neo]

His argument is still valid. In psychiatry, I'm not managing my patients' blood pressure and diabetes long term.

[@eklectiktoni]

I thought that. My gyn still should be able to deal with a broken leg, just in case.

[@annishamack1642]

@@riku1neo That goes back to the Original comment. They weren’t saying that the cop that isn’t specialized should be doing it long term, just long enough for the specialist to get there and to properly deal with the situation.

[@-----------g-]

Issue is recruitment and money.

[@Jewel296]

@@riku1neo if you were a psychiatrist you would still have to go to medical school so you would at least know how to take a blood pressure and know that the values are dangerous and you would know how to take a d-stick and what blood glucose levels are dangerous. Psychiatrist have to be BLS and CPR certified as well so yea psychiatrists can save people's lives because they have general knowledge of medicine

[@bellasmith2444]

lots of people need to understand the different types of racism like interpersonal racial prejudice is not the same as historical, structural inequalities.

[@StarringShameka]

‼️‼️

[@balance2599]

yeah complaining about how racist people were in the past is cool and all but how tf is that relevant today

[@juditheorganizer]

Exactly!

[@Plaspos]

@@balance2599 because the black poverty rate remains 3x the white poverty rate and is largely due to historic discrimination

[@Jay-ny1hb]

I think that we all need to look at the definition of racism without contemplating too much about power dynamics. I do agree that the power dynamic was key to making systemic racism flourish, but there needs to be a clear delineation between what racism and systemic racism are. Anyone can be racist under its most basic definition, but not everyone will be subject to systemic racism.

[@jayjaymelon8578]

i like how calm they remainded and understood each different pov

[@isadorak178]

this was a really great conversation. I'm also really glad there was a Jewish person who identifies as white included in the conversation. I think it shows intersectionality and how identities are complex. And how he also acknowledged that he has simultaneously experienced discrimination for being Jewish while also being perceived as white.

[@alyssastern6073]

I am also glad about that.

[@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024]

I liked that too, I wish he talked more though!

[@isadorak178]

@@haterade3.029 I hear you, and I agree that if you have light skin you automatically have privileges in this world. But Jews, even if they are racially white, are not considered white by many standards (i.e. white nationalists don't believe that white Jews are "white enough." Jews are targeted by white nationalists even if they have light skin/are of European descent.) So it becomes a bit of a tricky issue because it concerns the distinction of ethnicity from race, which are often conflated. Lots of people view this issue differently, so I was glad to see that Jubilee included this perspective to show the complexities of this kind of identity.

[@etyndigtland]

"identifies as white"... What do you mean?

[@isadorak178]

​@@etyndigtland because Jewish people are also targeted under white supremacy, some Jewish people do not consider themselves white, even if they are of European descent. Other Jews of European descent do say that they are white. Of course, people with lighter skin will have privilege in this world, there isn't denying that. But I think that some people consider "white" to be people who would not be targeted by white supremacy, so Jews might not fall into that category for them. It is different for all Jewish people who are white-passing/have light skin, not everyone has the same idea of whiteness in our current society. It also depends a lot on the generation and if someone grew up frequently experiencing discrimination and antisemitism--their understanding of whiteness might be different.

[@meganguest]

this was such a lovely transparent and respectful conversation. everyone's input was validated and valued by the rest of the group. it is so evident that everyone came simply to understand. this is how we come together and move forward. ❤️

[@okieoiogh8235]

Do you like farting?

[@BlackMantisRed]

No one in this discussion got there views validated.

[@DEVONS_PRONATOR]

Yup. Each person's position is valid. But as some act like their position and experiences are more valid.

[@kchris5326]

All races can be racist. Just because people recently decided to try and change the definition, doesn’t mean the definition. When she repeatedly says “racism by definition”, the definition she is using is not the actual definition.

[@tisbutascratch2045]

Exactly.

[@darthdarth4297]

It’s not racism it’s Castism. Race is just our caste system. The Arab slaves trade heavily fetishized white concubines called Harams. Chinese Hans have superior treatment to Turkic and Mongol ethnic groups. It’s everywhere so let’s not go full CRT because racism is a social construct, Castism is a social inevitability

[@objectivityisourfriend9631]

Thank you.

[@lewisgraham4174]

All races can be prejudice. Racism is acting on your prejudices to the detriment of other races. Simply calling me the N word makes a person prejudice. Denying me job despite my qualifications because they don't think a black person should hold certain positions is racism. That's always what it's been. Its only recently that racism has been molded to be a catch all term. If you alter the term racism to include opinions and thoughts without action against said group it easy for the people in positions of power to say to the group they may have oppressed in the are are racist for having negative opinions because of what was done to them.

[@Unchaise]

people please don't agree with this persons post because all you have to do is type racism into your search engine and itll show you that she was using the correct word, which is racism. yes, all people in the usa can BE prejudice but not all can be racist.... here is how it is defined prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized

[@halfbaked4203]

You shouldnt be proud of what race you are, you should be proud of who you are

[@BritneyDearestFamilyVlogs]

It’s a process. For centuries, Black people were taught that we were less because of our race. Part of that process is reversing the damage of those beliefs. To reverse the damage we have to focus on why being Black beautiful and reasons to be proud (in addition to our personality and other things that make us who we are). Maybe one day, race won’t matter. Today, it does.

[@IsaiahMartinez88]

@@BritneyDearestFamilyVlogs Or just jump straight to the point. MLK already started the process. We should be colorblind when it comes to people. Emphasizing race just makes the matter worse. And, now the tables have turned and the whites are being taught they are less purely for race. You, like the original comment states, should be focused on who you are not what you are. Race does not matter, saying that it does will only worsen the problem of race. When racism is at its all-time low in America, that is when people become obsessed with it. In fact, I reject the human racial theory as a whole. We are not different races we are one race, the human race. If one female dog gives birth to a litter by a male dog of the same species, and they are both pure, different colored dogs will come out. Genetics plays a role in how big or small the puppy is, its color, etc. Either way, they are still the same dog of that pure species. So no race does not matter, take that form MLK not me.

[@Wraiven22]

I think it’s interesting hearing the difference in opinion between the black and mixed people who were raised by white people and in white communities vs. black and mixed people who were raised in black neighborhoods by black parents.

[@ItzMalick]

Yo fam I make a variety of short entertaining videos on KZbin as well, I’m still working on quality, but I 100% guarantee you will find something to enjoy!💛💛💛

[@giving7389]

The simple fact that some know black/African American/Negro/colored history versus others only understanding the history taught in schools.

[@-ryn-]

They should make one of biracial people raised by black parent vs white parent

[@aaliyahjackson9734]

@@-ryn- what are some questions you would like to hear? I do think there is a cultural difference, but not far from the conversations that were had in this discussion. It definitely an interesting topic

[@grammaticalchainsaw7318]

True

[@starachinia7564]

This is my favourite episode so far! Everyone was so respectful of each others opinion and I feel like everyone actually listened!

[@ItzMalick]

Yo fam I make a variety of short entertaining videos on KZbin as well, I’m still working on quality, but I 100% guarantee you will find something to enjoy!💛💛💛

[@imokage]

Exactly, this episode is the best for sure

[@negritaamara4216]

I agree!

[@tinyfreckle]

This video made me really think about intergenerational wealth, poverty, trauma etc. Part of the reason Joshua didn't feel as strongly about the treatment of his ancestors is because he was adopted and therefore he didn't inherit the benefits or struggles they incurred over their lives. A lot of black people are born into poverty because of the cycle of poverty that was begun by letting slaves free without any compensation or leg up to get themselves started in the world - they were just cut off into the world with just the clothes on their backs. No money, no one willing to give them jobs, no home, no vote, no nothing. But there are also plenty of white kids born into poverty due to their parents having problems with addiction, or gambling, or mental health, or physical health and those kids don't deserve their lot any more or less than black kids. Perhaps society should focus on aiding people in POVERTY regardless of skin colour, funding programs and education in POOR neighbourhoods rather than black or white neighbourhoods. Since statistically black people make up a higher percentage of the poor population more black people would get aid but it wouldn't have anything to do with their skin colour and everything to do with their current situation. That way Native Americans who live in poverty would also get help instead of having to wait for people to remember that they exist too and black people weren't the only race to be fucked over in America.

[@jononoka1194]

Very well said

[@gammalagaga]

Brilliantly said!

[@caitlinreilly9347]

Plenty of white people are born into poverty too. It has much more to do with many other factors besides race. Stop making excuses and break the cycle. All the affirmative action we have now, which is inherently racist btw, it should be fairly easy.

[@KmChx_MX]

I think you did a great job bringing American History full circle. However, I believe that Black people are more outwardly spoken about in racism, because they fought/fight back the loudest. I said loudest, and not hardest, because as a black women I cannot speak for other races and refuse to believe every other race took racism with a quiet smile. For instance, Asian immigrants fought against racism through assimilation and climbing the corporate structure in the background, tolerating some horrendous things to get to some of the “top tier” societal structures. I also believe Hispanics fought back as well, but the language barrier made it difficult for them to unite in the POC movement, which is why I also believe we need to learn multiple languages as POC, to better communicate with each other to fight the systemic racism prevalent in our society. There are many other examples I can give, but this comment is already too long, lol

[@MissCracker]

The most underprivileged group in America are the Irish-Americans. by number of impoverished compared to their total population.

[@kianna7089]

I think this is one of my favorite middle grounds because everyone was very respectful of each others opinions I enjoyed watching this

[@madisonclark6607]

This was honestly one of the best conversations I've seen from this channel. Everyone listened to each other with empathy and respect. It was so beautiful to watch this group converse and learn from each other. Would love to see more of this convo is possible.

[@Peace-iz7gj]

While the beautiful black and biracial women are sitting there victimizing themselves, the white girl in the green jacket is sitting there feeling sorry for them. She say "it sounds exhausting for you" and "you can't win".'. She has them just where she wants them mentally. Poor, helpless,, needy and pitiful.😂😂😂Stop the madness ladies!! Sin will always be present and stop comparing yourself to others and get the job done. PERIOD.

[@MrFolky77]

​@@Peace-iz7gjWell spoken!!

[@MrFolky77]

Really?? Well you must be black, then! It was NOT about y'all, for once!! But all these black people did qas complain about the supposed racism against THEM, when the topic of the conversation was whether there was racism agaisnt WHITES!!! This qas the WORST deb2te I've seen on that channel, by far!

[@ldyridr805]

I long for more conversations like this one. Listening without ego and really hearing another person from their perspective... Priceless. These conversations are so necessary!

[@boomshakalaka8655]

these conversations are horrible that is built around a narrative that black people are falling into made by cnn news. They are teaching black people to hate white people. It is why cnn lost 90% of its viewership over the last year. And you see it in this conversation from the black people who fall for their nonsense not understanding how poorly everyone is treated from all races. CNN wont show a white guy with a knee on his back who died same way George Floyd did the only difference is the cops laughed he stopped breathing. The news channels refused to show it only Floyd. Narrative nonsense. These black people need to stop watching cnn and find the truth into how everyone is mistreated not just black people.

[@sophian9105]

I really appreciate how Sierra kept her cool and explained her position with such grace. But for the most part, everyone in this discussion did a great job!

[@gashinggustwind5074]

She did great!!

[@popcornplaya2013]

@@gashinggustwind5074 sierra had the worst takes out of everyone y’all trippin

[@duskxdawn347]

@@popcornplaya2013 You must be slow💀

[@imani7979]

@@popcornplaya2013 she had a opinions just like everyone else and many of them had historical and statistical backing….

[@gothicgolem2947]

@@imani7979 that’s fine but we can disagree with her opinons like people do all the time with this show and for me her views that white people experience racism is wrong as her defenition of racism is different to mine and many others

[@GlamourCat1920]

This was one of my favorite middle ground episodes!

[@dylanshobanjo2519]

I love how understanding everyone was of each other’s views even when they clearly struck a nerve ,they responded clearly but calmly. This is how you have conversations!

[@Hencid]

i don't think the cop was understanding like nobody changed their mind but at least they were replying to answers directly instead of throwing personal anecdotes of viewing the situation through a job description

[@keirorin]

Love the concept of a 3-group middle ground. Would love to see more of that, especially for overgeneralized groups like Asians. Maybe an episode for East & Southeast & South Asians. Or even Mainland Asians, Maritime Southeast Asians and Pacific Islanders.

[@teresachimuco5603]

Yes 👏🏾👏🏾

[@YouAREyoubeYou]

“Black people” is thee most over generalized group there is. Hence the problem for reparations.

[@juzrhyme712]

Why, all asian are pretty much the same in america

[@keirorin]

@@juzrhyme712 ...? What was the point of this comment

[@DestopLine]

@@juzrhyme712 who mentioned america?

[@jazzyhendrix5017]

I’m sorry as a black woman I completely disagree with her 5:39 racism is racism and we all can experience it

[@Gabriellaella23]

I’ve always disagreed with that. I think there’s a different between institutional racism and just baseline racism. It’s ridiculous to say white people can’t be effected by racism. Makes no sense.

[@mog7293]

@@Gabriellaella23 Yeah racism is racism and it can affect any races.. Not just blacks cus it ain't blackism(i was trying to prove a point, sorry if this sounded offensive)

[@christiancruiz9044]

Yes , true

[@bulo-.]

Always wondered what they would say if white people became a minority (Might be wrong but I think Indian/west asians are on track to be the majority in several hundred years)

[@anunwantedsoul3672]

Yep

[@linds9667]

i genuinely liked and respected all of the people speaking in this video, unlike most other videos where at least one person is easily hate-able

[@enamored1]

there is a difference between racism and systemic racism, and that's the core of the debate. any race can experience another person judging them for their race, but not every race experiences systemic racism and it certainly varies by culture and location.

[@callum__w]

But where does this just racism come from?

[@ItzMalick]

Yo fam I make a variety of short entertaining videos on KZbin as well, I’m still working on quality, but I 100% guarantee you will find something to enjoy!💛💛💛

[@callum__w]

@@_cry.ab0ut.it_ but that’s not cause you’re white or is it? Genuinely curious

[@callum__w]

@@_cry.ab0ut.it_ you mention that your people were enslaved, that means you have history that could cause discrimination today

[@jessicamarie6448]

@@_cry.ab0ut.it_ isn’t that xenophobia not racism

[@marambenr4888]

I just wish all POC should have been included, Asians, Hispanics, South asians, Middle Eastern's, and more. A lot of the time when racism is discussed, it is only seen as "black vs. white" when that is not entirely true. SO many races have gone through so much and theres so much history behind the racism they receive. I think its important to include them as well.

[@jewel7784]

this ^^^^^

[@jimmiejam508]

i think this conversation would have been impossible (too broad and nonspecific) without limiting it to the interactions between two groups of people. that said, i could see other videos dedicated to other dynamics

[@iamlisaevans]

Agreed

[@Mikey-vu5hy]

Racism in America roots started with black and white. You bring up an excellent segway into something else tho

[@ahaiajoal9686]

@@Mikey-vu5hy b you don’t know history at all because racism in America started with natives vs whites

[@TokyoBayCity]

The semantic debate over the word “racism” really annoys me. The dictionary definition of racism does not restrict its meaning to only being institutional. Racism on an interpersonal level is still by definition racism.

[@maishesbeautiful]

agreed. even when he asked her she went allll around instead of answering the question. she made her own definition up which is weird, it shows her own prejudice 🙄 IM A PROUD BLACK WOMAN BTW!

[@spikedmo]

Yeah nobody thinks of racism in their own life in that systemic way. Nobody goes "Something really racist happened to me yesterday, I went home and all my neighbours were black."

[@velmano9191]

Racism starts at the interpersonal level, well before it manifests itself at the institutional level. So by picking and choosing WHICH DEFINITION OF RACISM you want to go by, you really are missing the point when it comes to talking about racism. I find people who pick and choose this definition of racism, the institutional definition, are themselves racist or want to be allowed that 'black privilege' of being racist while not being called out on it. It's sort of like those racist trolls you see on the internet but you'll NEVER see them say these things face to face in public. Don't be a shy racist...own up to your flaw.

[@LS-jv9hp]

Don't even need a dictionary, it's the same for sociology as the well. The field that focuses and wrote the book for these definitions. The field that black people have been brutalising to turn Systemic Racism and Racism into the same thing when there both their own seperate social problems.

[@jamiepolk9515]

when the white girl said you can't win tears just rolled down my face cause its like she really understands. She is perfect to be a therapist.

[@lostoffice]

I think one of the major problems of discussing racism like this in the larger society is that there is still an ongoing battle over the language. You could get glimpses of it in this video. There are two different understandings of what racism is. While I do agree with Sierra, a lot of people won't be able to get past her approaching racism in a more academic sense. Unfortunately, the more specific terminology such as systemic racism has already become a trigger word. It's hard to see how to work through these issues when some people seem to be intentionally trying to divide us into separate realities.

[@vdominor7886]

This is an excellent point. I tuned in and was immediately turned off by the first question, 'triggered' you might even say. I think it's preposterous to say that white people do not/cannot experience racism, as I generally prefer to identify interpersonal racism (your classmate calling you a racial slur, or other 1 to 1 day to day experiences) and systemic racism (as enacted by governmental bodies and policy) as two different concepts under the general umbrella of 'racism.' And, if you look outside of America, white people can certainly experience both of these things- literally any racial group can. The push to discredit these facts and narrow the definition turns a lot of people away from the discussion entirely, as it suggests that those touting the 'white people can't experience racism' argument refuse to see the world for what it is (hella messy) and discredits anything else they might say. Luckily I kept watching to hear this group make many other great points and have a wonderful discussion - but the divide over language and definition most definitely undermines opportunities for conversation and real empathy among people from different races and schools of thought.

[@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024]

Yes, Yt folks and other anti-Black folks see calling out anti-Blackness and systematic racism as an attack on them. It’s entitlement.

[@urfatherty]

exactly. instead of talking about racism its always switched to “thats not racism” which doesnt help. one of the top comments on this video is exactly that whiny remark. “i wish people realized the difference between racism and discrimination” which is a very futile approach. you can tell who has and hasnt studied this from an academic point (ex. sociology)

[@mcgullible5212]

The redefinition of racism into systemic racism is just a way to gatekeep racism so white people cannot use it on themselves. There's an understanding of what systemic racism is and what racism is and everyone gets it. People that pretend their isn't are just dishonest.

[@juanaabad7315]

I think that’s a key thing you stated that people get “triggered” even by the word “privilege”. It leads to a social shut down of even listening further. It’s hard to separate one’s individual anecdotal experience from what is moreso represented by the grater masses. It is harder for people who’ve never had to divulge in environments outside of their comfort zones to empathize or grasp experiences outside of their own, and due to this it creates a mentality that all else must be false.

[@viktorious8778]

As a black person, I really respected Jimmy for being there and sharing his thoughts. He knew he was an outlier as an older white male. And not saying I agreed with everything he said, but can recognize took some guts

[@katherinerex9067]

Agreed, he seemed super respectful too.

[@DefiningCute]

He is what the black community doesn’t respect. They’ll find every reason not to validate him. When he absolutely did his best. We can’t force the world to change we have to embrace the positive change so it stay. So I applaud him!

[@talltreeyeti]

guts? he's the typical type from his generation who thinks they belong in any room they enter and swear they are the smartest person there. what would've took guts was him shutting his mouth and listening instead of talking over black people any chance he got

[@castrodagoat5842]

@@talltreeyeti he did tht tho

[@StillJustD]

@@castrodagoat5842 he really didn’t. He listened and the he tried to refute every valid point thrown at him as if he can’t comprehend the things people say actually exist because he doesn’t have to encounter them.

[@Drooopyy]

Bryn will make a fantastic therapist, her understanding and listening skills are insane

[@Wtfe2024]

That death stare she has scares me a bit.

[@vn9933]

I like her Her listening skills are 👏🏾

[@Nurse.Addison]

What an amazing group interview with amazong people. Thank you so much

[@CaptinOD]

I really admire those who are able to converse with others with opposing thoughts without getting angry and disrespectful. It it a skill I strive to possess. Thank you Jubilee! I enjoyed listening to this conversation.

[@aa-cx8nc]

tell me yr from gen z without telling me fr from gen z

[@luvvxkal986]

@@aa-cx8nc how does that even pertain to what they said?

[@deckem5377]

@@aa-cx8nc tell me you didn't understand what they said and just want to sound smarter without telling me that

[@aa-cx8nc]

@@deckem5377 lol how was i being pretentious. that's just my opinion. if you don't see what i'm getting at where the ability to be composed is somehow miraculous and hard to achieve yr the pretentious one

[@hubbabubba5393]

@@aa-cx8nc “yr” friendly fire

[@sebastianf6499]

I wish they included the issue of class in this discussion. I disagree with the assumption that I, as a black person, can’t be racist towards a white person because racism involves the dynamics of power. But, isn’t the power in question largely enabled by classism, a issue that’s pervasive across communities regardless of color?

[@tn1340]

So true!

[@daniel_kale]

Racism is a product of classism but nobody wants to discuss that because it will disrupt the Elites use of racial identity politics to keep the working class from rising up and dismantling the capitalist system that's destroying us.

[@MrPassigo]

Also if you're a white person in china for example you will experience racism. Thinking white people can't experience racism is coming from a really narrow world view.

[@rico4101]

Straight Facts

[@DonaldAMisc]

Unfortunately it takes more conservative voices to mention how class contributes to the problem, probably because it doesn't neatly fit into the simplistic narrative of systemic racism (to add, I'm not a conservative).

[@Nicholenickinicscott]

I use to be the pro black woman that use to be like "white people don't exprience racism" "I can call a white person this and that and people would agree with me who also share my views" it took me actually saying a Paul joke and realizing from consequences that even if I'm not talking about the white person near me, it's still racist and hurtful just like if a white person called me a slur, I'm no longer extremely pro black where I'm blinded, Watching videos like this I feel has made me a better person cause of these conversations

[@xylek9483]

That's interesting to me, because I'm on the other side in that I'm white and for years I thought white people don't experience racism. In fact, I welcomed ugly comments and made fun of my own race because it was acceptable. Even when my black boyfriend, who I was totally in love with, told me it was "my people's" fault for terrible things that happened to his ancestors, I couldn't say anything. Videos like this have given me some insight to recognize that I don't have to be apologetic for what my ancestors did, that every race and culture has some ugly history, and it's not okay to treat anyone different based on their skin color, even if they are white. I believe that we as humans have the ability to unite together despite differences between skin color, history, culture, and even borders. I have hope for the future, to improve racial tensions and bring justice, not revenge.

[@mclohan]

@@xylek9483 same. Though I’m mixed. I still felt it was alright to make slurs towards whites because it was just “funny” and deserved. As a I got older I realized any slurs towards anyone shouldn’t be accepted. Also, yes like they say “the sins of the father”. No one should be held accountable for something their ancestors did.

[@Nicholenickinicscott]

@xylek yeah so true, I'm glad I'm in a better place mindset wise cause the way I was going on wasn't great or healthy for me. I stay clear of racist people cause I never want to be like that at all

[@Nicholenickinicscott]

@@mclohan that's true, I'm just wary of the ones that are racist and act all high and mighty

[@oneperson5760]

White people do experience racism, especially when theyre a little red headed child and a group of black kids are beating that child bloody and calling him racial slurs. And then the school does nothing about it because its black on white violence and not the other way around. My son is grown now and still has the scars on his skin. Black kids were trying really hard to beat racism into him, and hes done a fair job of not holding it against black people in general, though he is cautious. Thank you for considering that racism isnt a one way thing.

[@anonymousperson1771]

Progs when discussing race: Polish, Irish, Italians aren't white Progs when they see Polish, Irish or Italians on the street: WHITE PEOPLE

[@kiallima]

I genuinely started crying listening to Christina. Almost all of my best friends have been mixed, and being mixed myself I've wished I was other races, I've been confused, I've missed out on the black side of my family. I feel for her so much, and I hope this is something more people begin to understand. I've longed to be white with straight hair and blue eyes, felt guilt for feeling that, and felt like I missed out on a part of myself.

[@hotpocket_42o]

WOW, you put it in words frl i feel this

[@mackenziepalmer]

Black people have felt this too, not just biracials

[@Kmama801]

I hope you get to learn about your black side as well ❤️

[@tim.kelly7136]

@@mackenziepalmer it's really not the same. Biracial kids are missing out on half of their identity and it's not so easy to access it when they're growing up in a single parent home.

[@mynotificationsareoff..goc358]

@@tim.kelly7136 it's not the white person's fault that their other side won't step up. But it's always put on white ppl like it's their problem. It's not. It's the parents problem who isn't stepping up period.

[@rbwhanson]

"Do white people experience racism?", but yet the group can't even agree on the simple definition of racism. There is racism, which everyone can be a victim of, and then there is institutional racism which may be a different conversation.

[@dakuten7883]

Totally agree

[@shopwithsoc]

whites don’t experience racism they only experience prejudice, cope !!

[@nunyabusiness8498]

Yep. The definition is "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized." So yes white people can experience racism. That racism will look different than what other races experience in most cases but Ciera saying it's just prejudice and bias is just an attempt at devaluing everyone else's experiences because her experiences out weigh theirs in her eyes. I also didn't appreciate how she brought up incarceration even though no one was talking about incarceration just because the guy that gave a different opinion was a cop. And she condescended towards him by saying how she "taught LAPD".

[@Submersed24]

No such thing as institutional racism

[@ezmart878]

@@nunyabusiness8498 That is only one definition of what racism is. There is multiple ways you can define it. Anti white racism has a whole different definition than anti black racism. You are devaluating the experiences of black people by comparing anti white racism to anti black racism. They are not the same. What prejudice do white people face that result in racist outcomes? An individual from another race saying a white person is bad? Nothing comes from that. There is no widescale racism against white people that represent inequality not perpetrated by other white people. Who benefits from racism towards white people? Only white people because only white people have benefited from racism on a broader scale. White people were preferentially treated by all systems in America. From the workforce, to the justice system, to the capitalist market economy.

[@xSaphiredust]

The police officer and the activist were both well spoken individuals. I love when we get to see trained professionals on topics and experience within these conversations. But I have to say when the police officer asked Cierra to define racism and tell us the source of her definition. I was a little frustrated because instead she retold history. But definitions should be just that - something from a dictionary. But I loved her inputs because you can see there is intelligence and experience there. Their dialog together was great.

[@malibu405]

Agree 👍.

[@michinsaeggi-dakcho]

but racism isn’t a simple definition bc if so then people’s lives wouldn’t be directly correlated to racism with there being disproportions to other groups. what she did was accurate.

[@essencemylyfe]

@@michinsaeggi-dakcho Agreed. I think most people only hear "race" when they hear "racism" but forget or don't understand the "ism" portion of the whole word.

[@Zaeabun]

Ciera may sound well spoken at first glance because she tries to use more formal words and grammar, but it's just verbal diarhea. Her definition of racism is pure delusion.

[@ricom9508]

its a system of categorisation that has been historically perpetuated. The history is the most important part because its from where these concepts such as race have been founded and built upon. The concept of ‘race’ itself was socially constructed as a colonial tool to justify enslavement based upon the premise of inferiority.

[@Sesetse-rz5xx]

Honestly, this is so interesting to watch because although I may not look white (my mom's side of the family is native American so I am around 15% and I personally inherited naturally very dark skin- often being mistaken for light-skinned or mixed) I am majority white which has put me in a situation to observe many things. especially in the way, people interact with my white-looking friends. I have seen and heard how they are treated and honestly, it leaves me very surprised with how people say things to them and never get in trouble( I am still in school). Also I go to a school that is VERY diverse with people ranging from all races. Almost every week I hear someone calling them a cracker ( which in my opinion is like calling someone the N-word) and then when anything happens they start to say things like "ya its because your white and that's why" when often times the situation has nothing to do with skin color. Even when they talk about life at home I will hear comments like "Wow my black family could never" when I know that these people have a better home life than the said white person. Then It also makes me mad when I hear these people get pressed when someone even slightly mentions ANYTHING to do with their skin they start saying they are racist well they are being completely serious. This also interests me because would people be saying these things to me if my skin was a slight bit paler? because that could have easily been me since some of my siblings have very pale skin which means just a slight change in my inheritance and that literally would be me. So I can very obviously tell these comments have nothing to do with the culture or behavior of white people since I was raised in the exact same way as my white friends(albeit a slight difference because yk different families have different rules) and these comments are never said to me when the only difference between me and my friends are skin color. I think that overall I don't understand how people just talk and talk about wanting to end racism and stuff but yet talk about things like white privilege in this day and age. Like ya maybe 30 or more years ago and maybe even with the older generation but how does it make it ok to very blatantly be racist just because someone has less melanin than you and therefore means that their ancestors beat yours so that means you can hurt them for someone you most likely have never met in your entire life. And I'm not trying to say that it's okay to be racist to other people than white just LITERALLY the golden rule of treating someone the way you want to be treated. If you want to end racism (or don't want people to be racist to you) maybe don't be racist because I can assure you using a slur daily is being racist. (also, I'm not saying that the term cracker is as bad as the N-word I'm just saying a slur is still a slur no matter the weight behind it) Cracker definition: encompasses a broader derogatory connotation. It became synonymous with ignorance, backwardness, and perceived inferiority, perpetuating stereotypes about poor white Southerners as uneducated, criminals. Racism: prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group Also, I don't particularly understand why people get annoyed when asked what they are maybe this is different for some people but I am stopped on a daily basis to be asked what I am, I mean I know I look different with blonde straight long hair and pretty dark skin with brown eyes like I just don't understand why people get mad at peoples curiosity like if you're so proud of your race then why do you get mad when people ask questions about it? If you read all that thx :) just got a little heated there and I would love for you to leave your own experiences or opinions in the replies

[@carriekaygirouxjohansen7217]

I definitely got beat up for being white as a kid. My mom had to have an older girl walk us home because it got so bad. She got murdered by her mom's boyfriend trying to protect her mom. She was black. But she didn't care about mine or my siblings skin color. She was in 4th grade...

[@Gabriellaella23]

That girl seemed like an angel. She was put on the planet to protect. Sad she passed in such a tragic event. 😢 I’m glad you were able to be protected by someone like her. ❤

[@yk_Its_jax]

R.I.P🕊🙏

[@bethanyloosenort9735]

I went through something very similar in grade school being white.

[@isolatedanonymous1979]

That’s just bullying not racism

[@doodooman2957]

@@isolatedanonymous1979 brain dead

[@niashambreay]

I feel like what Ciera said is going over a lot of peoples head about racism. This was a necessary subject and I love how everyone remained respectful. I also felt amazed how a biracial party who were raised by white parents and a black person who was raised by white parents can have polar opposite viewpoints.

[@jackwalker6475]

When Ciera claimed the concept of race came about from slave trafficking to the Americas, I knew she doesn’t know much. Im sure over 3000 years ago when Europeans traveled from Gibraltar to Morocco they understood the difference in race by sight.

[@ahmaunberry4260]

@@jackwalker6475 she was talking about RACISM.. not just race

[@jackwalker6475]

@@ahmaunberry4260 So am I. Racism, if we use the definition, untrusting or aggression towards people who look different from urself. That has been present since the Homo sapiens even before. Different means dangerous. Before the knowledge to farm, nomadic tribes formed, in these tribes were slaves. These tribes, traveled, avoiding other tribes. Why? The stronger tribes murdered the men, took the women, food and anything of value. This has nothing to do with slavery. Greeks enslaved Greeks. Romans enslaved Romans. Japanese enslaved Japanese. Norse enslaved Norse. If you think, Africans being sold into slavery for the americas wouldn’t have happened if those being bought were white….you are extremely mistaken. Slavery has never been about race. Slavery has been present before the written word, before people knew different skin colours existed.

[@jonjonboi3701]

Ciera is obviously brainwashed by the BLM cult

[@Chadckay]

No we're just not uneducated fools such as yourself. The definition of racism is easy to understand. Ciara lied about it because she's a racist.

[@NismoXero]

"I just choose to not focus on it non stop so it doesn't hold me back" The last words are the ones to live by. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Malibustacy1982]

I just came across this video, which is why I'm commenting 6 months later. Anyway, I felt like she WAS focusing on "it" too much, she was quite outspoken about it and didn't seem open to hearing what the white people had to say that may oppose her. She's not letting "it" hold her back but she's taking it all with her. Just the vibes I got from her. 🤷

[@Nachoza]

As an indigenous woman, who grew up in a town where whites people were the minority. White people can absolutely experience racism. I now have 2 white sons and I’m honestly concerned for the hatred that some people of colour have for white people, every race has racist people. I feel like, if anything, hate against white men is becoming more normalized. I do not want to see the future progressing in that way.

[@Unchaise]

how do you have white children if youre not white yourself? and no theey cant because the usa is majority white ...... racism defined as prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.

[@Nachoza]

@@Unchaise their dad is white??

[@Jayzilla89]

My gf is half cherokee, she was dating a guy a while back who was full cherokee and when meeting his mother she didnt like her because she was half white.

[@Nachoza]

@@Jayzilla89 ya exactly I seen this happen to lots of ppl

[@Jayzilla89]

@@Nachoza yea, members of my family are guilty of it. My sister has a half black daughter and i had to tell a couple family members its pretty shitty that youre pissed and crying about having a mixed child being born into the family.

[@TheDanggamers]

9:35 I honestly feel police need mandatory psych checks because I’d imagine seeing things and having to deal with certain areas develop bias and or they’ve seen way too many things. Mentally that would take a toll on a regular person, and the cops are just like the rest of us.

[@Keviekev115]

yes

[@LennyTheHopeless]

That's also already an anime plot 😂

[@noahfence6838]

They do have programs for this

[@lavienestpasunlongfleuvetr2559]

What's the point of debating racism if the group can't even agree on what racism is?

[@10timeyoutubeoutlaw33]

Welp, thats the point. Certain people change the still real and easy definition, SO they can be racist without consequences...

[@realerthanyourdad_]

@@10timeyoutubeoutlaw33 Exactly, maybe in America specifically you can just call it discrimination😃

[@10timeyoutubeoutlaw33]

@@realerthanyourdad_ Prejudice, discrimination, and or antagonism based on race would be the simplified definition. So even discirmatinion based on race is still just racism. Even in the US.....We just also have a whole lot of delusion that incentivizes people to think otherwise. Unfortunately.

[@realerthanyourdad_]

@@10timeyoutubeoutlaw33 I'm talking about discrimination against white people(in USA specifically tho)

[@10timeyoutubeoutlaw33]

@@realerthanyourdad_ So am I.

[@gabrielfredericks4201]

Really enjoy these discussions. Appreciate how the participants respect each other and opposing views. I think our society can only benefit from open dialogue like this.

[@joymae]

I’m inspired by the way everyone spoke and respected each other’s opinions. I loved this episode very insightful

[@s.m.1435]

I love videos like this! It speaks up about topics that people try to sidestep. I would love to see a video including south Asians regarding the topic of racism. I feel like racism towards south Asians specifically, such as Indians and Sri Lankans is not spoken about and is swept under the carpet. I feel like as south Asians we are taught to accept it, making me feel like lesser than white people. We are called dirty, disgusting and overall an unattractive race to date. I find that only other races of colour respect me to the same level I respect them.

[@3K2-k3m]

My only beef with Indians is .. none, because I respect your believes 🌚

[@ima.m.1658]

Yes!! As a South Asian I couldn’t agree more. I have had economic privilege bc of my immigrant parents but I’m also brown and my skin color and name affect the way I move through the world too.

[@ItzMalick]

Yo fam I make a variety of short entertaining videos on KZbin as well, I’m still working on quality, but I 100% guarantee you will find something to enjoy!💛💛💛

[@semolinalibra]

This!! India was a wealthy nation in the past but then british colonisation happened. Its funny that we're considered poor and dirty but if the british didn't barge in, India would be like the wealthiest nations today. White people are generally scared of being racist to white people because we are aware of the racism they faced, we need that for asians please.

[@Blank85289]

Yep it’s only white people of course what other race would do and say such horrible things…hmm not like the black community is notorious for their racism towards all Asians.

[@k-oz9671]

I feel like jimmy kind of made a solid point by stating that as a officer, being in one community for so long and having constant negative interactions with one group can create this bias in ones mind. But like nia was stating, more culture competence can help fight that.

[@cashbabies2914]

They shouldn’t be policing those neighborhoods then.

[@januspatermagnus]

​@@cashbabies2914That was the cop's point from the video I think. In order not to create jaded cops they should be moved around.

[@D1cametrim]

⁠@@januspatermagnusit that’s the case why do we hardly ever get videos of teachers racially profiling students? Because it just doesn’t make sense to say that, having to deal with the same community has nothing to do with power trips.

[@januspatermagnus]

@@D1cametrim I honestly don't know but it feels somewhat off topic. What works for teacher isn't going to work for cops necessarily. There's no one solution that will do wonders.

[@D1cametrim]

@@januspatermagnus Elaborate

[@harkimegeddings8551]

I feel like many people have discrimination confused with racism. The two are similar but NOT the same. But I appreciate “middle ground” holding conversations like this one! I love all human beings!! ❤

[@sarahh7369]

Racism is discrimination though. It's discrimination based on race. Sexism is discrimination based on sex, classism is discrimination based on class, etc.

[@man-gaming]

@@sarahh7369 EXACTLY!

[@HotlineMok]

This group being so diverse while also having that same sense of commonality amongst each other and the statements provided, had to easily be the best group you’ve used in a middle ground video. Everybody applied to one or another section, whether it be Black, White, or Biracial, but each individual had their own different outputs amongst their own group, as well as the others, and I just thought it was amazing to hear and watch all the perspectives and experiences be heard. And specifically, Dane’s input and inclusion in this episode was absolutely amazing. What with being white, he could connect and apply his perspective into those of his group, while also being well-versed in other issues of being Jewish and having the sense of being a minority in the majority. I loved this group and hope future videos are just as inclusive and diverse as this one was.

[@allymishler2129]

I would feel so comfortable around every single one of these people. They are all such nice and understanding people. This is the best and most calm middleground video I’ve seen!

[@rachelmazza4079]

When the two biracial girls came forward when asked if they wished they were a different race is so legit. I feel that so hard. I grew up like Jordan, raised by a white mom and white grandmother in a white small town. I grew up very poor and am the first person in my family to go to college and then get a masters degree all on my own. The fetishizing is unhinged from white but mostly black men in my experience, colorism is rampant. I also believe class/socioeconomic status, is also a major factor along with race. This is a great episode.

[@soundmind6477]

I’m biracial, white dad and black mum. I couldn’t care less how people view or fetishise my colour… we live in a fallen sinful world, the way I deal with it is just to get on with my life….

[@mypronouniselonmusk4559]

Fetishism from black men is NOT a privilege. They keep telling us it is but it’s honestly a set back

[@rachelmazza4079]

@@mypronouniselonmusk4559 I never said it was? I'm confused

[@mypronouniselonmusk4559]

@@rachelmazza4079 okay sorry, I misread

[@Brothisisprivate]

Colorism is the worst thing that ever happened to me with fetishisation

[@rhiannon-bv9rk]

I disagree, Black women from my high school beat up on white women. I was terrified of black women.

[@AS-dc9fy]

white women from my highschool were so digustingly racist there isnt enough time in the day to list how racist they were to anyone who wasnt white. continue to be terrified of us though, make sure you stay far away.

[@Thefinancegirlie]

That’s your own issue. Plenty of people don’t have that experience. Go to therapy. You’re an adult now.

[@amroge8703]

@@Thefinancegirlie, you can’t just demean someone’s experience because it doesn’t happen to everyone

[@Thefinancegirlie]

@@amroge8703 you can’t just use an isolated experience to discredit a whole researched and documented issue with systemic implications.

[@Keithinnie]

⁠@@Thefinancegirlieand you can’t exclude an isolated experience just because a lot of people don’t have that issue. An issue is an issue no matter how big or small.

[@etherwxlf]

Does anyone else come out of this feeling like...we didn't learn anything? Maybe it's just me, but it just feels like nothing resulted from the conversations. It was just "I have this opinion." "I agree but I also disagree." "I disagree but I also agree." "Next topic"

[@FrostLordOni]

I’d love to see a show where it’s just one on one, and both sides have to describe their position to the other, and it ends with each side having to explain the position of the other side in their own words. It would be interesting to see who actually understands what their opposition thinks, and who either can’t or won’t understand

[@etherwxlf]

@@FrostLordOni Actually, that WOULD be a great idea. @Jubilee you should do that, call it "One On One," where the premise is to have two parties (doesn't even have to be just one person each side) of directly opposing ideas, try their hardest to understand the other side. That's kinda what Middle Ground is supposed to be about but at this point Middle Ground is more-so sharing opinions than conflicting perspectives. One On One should specifically be about ideological conflict and attempting to reconcile differences, hence why keeping the two parties small is probably a must.

[@marcusvision]

Middle ground is more of getting a perspective view and not supposed to resolute anything. As you see everyone has different experiences and views that we can not change. BUT what the video is doing, is to acknowledge and explain why the most debated racial topics are constantly brought up. Hence why the disclaimer was at the beginning because believe or not....there are humans that get their resources from one source and based it all on a race collectively.

[@PanDaL0v3r11]

That’s how so many political conversations go unfortunately

[@SunnyGee-jd6pb]

@@PanDaL0v3r11 this shouldn’t be political tho. People are legit sharing experiences

[@salahuddin9383]

Can you do southeast asians and east asians?

[@ctynlssa]

Yeah I want this to

[@skypie5374]

Vey true

[@barryjones2899]

all the white people will be very confused

[@marlonmoncrieffe0728]

...What?

[@ctynlssa]

@@marlonmoncrieffe0728 why?

[@RelaxingBliss.]

this’ll be intresting

[@janetsdrawstation]

Hi

[@miraculouslady632]

@@janetsdrawstation Hi

[@Kayla.DeWitt]

Bro exactly what I thought

[@janetsdrawstation]

@@miraculouslady632 Hope you have a great day🥰

[@ava1772]

taehyung 😍

[@TanatswaKhanyisile-op8ru]

I really enjoyed how these sensitive conversations were handled with maturity and knowledge instead of emotional arguments.

[@ledernierutopiste]

It's unfair to change the definition of a word for political reason, i'm black and i disagree with her definition. the US isn't the only country on this planet, racism has existed all over the world, it has many translation in many language, and it absolutely didn't start with slavery in america, that's just wrong. The word racism has a meaning, the political racism/systemic racism or whatever that happens in the US is another, you're not the center of the world. You can not say that nazism ideology which is by definition racist, wasn't racist toward jewish, roms, slavs, because they're not part of the history of slavery in america. That woman is wrong, and she is too confident with her take, I feel like black americans are being foogazed by these activists who change words and history depending on what benefit them. If you're black american, I really please dare you, to learn about the rest of the world, and history, please... your country and your experience is not the only one in this world.

[@Kratossterone]

she has literally 0 knowledge and should take some lessons

[@camillaallegrucci1311]

"You are not the center of the world". Unfortunately, a sizeable chunk of Americans don't realize this simple truth. And progressives can be the worst offenders.

[@zoinks8868]

@@Kratossterone she's politically uninformed.

[@itsnatemate7697]

@@Kratossterone If you’re referring to Ciera (which I’m not sure if you are) then you’re wrong. She stated historical facts during the conversation and didn’t just say things just from no where.

[@Julie-qr9ow]

If progressives can change the definition of “woman” for political reasons then you guys can do the same for racism. Also white people can’t be victims of an ideology they created.

[@JK-mq8ji]

If you’re a minority in whatever country you live in you will experience some form of racism. People will take care of their own. If you don’t look the same or practice the same religion you’re out. Not everyone is like this but it’s something to consider in the human experience.

[@natalied662]

fax even just looking different too , humans are mean :(

[@ItzMalick]

Yo fam I make a variety of short entertaining videos on KZbin as well, I’m still working on quality, but I 100% guarantee you will find something to enjoy!💛💛💛

[@onikamaraj9022]

not exactly a white person in say a predominantly black country may experience discrimination but say if white people wanted to go to africa and colonise it and take over they could and they have, that is racism - a power strucutre

[@takskalduhave1]

Yes exactly. I was looking for a comment like this. Minorities will always be discrimaned

[@lilium_lancifolium]

Exactly. It's impossible for white people to not experience racism because not all countries have white people as the majority.

[@graysmith1233]

As a biracial individual, I experience racism from all races. I’m either to white and have privilege, or I’m to dark, and othered.

[@jamieakahenry]

Same! Only people who yet I haven't found racist is mixed people. As they get it from all races.

[@bdmenne]

@@jamieakahenry lol. Most mix people outwardly hate white and become activist against whites and desire to identify with the “cool” non-white crowd hating on white. No doubt they hate a lot of black individuals, but not usually the collective of blackness.

[@gothicgolem2947]

Sorry that happened

[@gothicgolem2947]

@@jamieakahenry sorry that happened

[@TSidez]

I hear you but that’s not racism

[@marinomusico5768]

It's nice to see disagreeing people talk respectfully with each other.

[@LibraVibesSnice80]

As a biracial woman that grew up in a black community I had a very hard time accepting myself because as a child I was barely accepted where I’m from so to hear others speak about their experiences is heart felt ❤

[@trackshun]

This literally is a prime example of how the group of people that deal with racism is white people. They are always targeted period

[@Papasquatch73]

Was that also due to white people being racist?

[@meghand.193]

As a white-skinned person, (I am Mexican and Cajun) raised in a black and Hispanic community, yes. Absolutely. On every level. Systemic, depending on your community and their authorities, societally with media and memes and movies and shows all-out being blatant with their racism towards white people, peers, all of it. I have so many stories of times where I was unquestionably on the receiving end of racism. No matter what you try to convince yourself with- racism is individual and local. And it happens to everyone. Some more than others depending on circumstance, for example mine, and some less (when you’re the majority of your community). No matter what though, it happens to everyone. Deny all you want, be delusional. Reality is reality, whether you know it or not. Bottom line, in my opinion is, if you’re different in any way, skin color or else, you’re picked out and treated differently for it. My difference just happened to be my skin color and that was brought out the most.

[@meghand.193]

@eliskinner9234 I’m mixed. I am white and Hispanic. Either way. And what a great race to be.

[@gilnahnu]

am asian , also grew up in a black and hispanic community and got bullied for it. also saw this white kid get bullied for biasically being white, dude even got slapped in the face. i didnt love middle school

[@meghand.193]

@@gilnahnu middle school was the worst bit of the racism I got, kids are the worst in middle school. But remember, it was just cause you were different. There were even black kids that got bullied intensely for not joining the others in drugs or sex or tomfoolery. They called them “not black” for not speaking/acting like them, that’s all it really was. Just not being like them. And interestingly, did you notice deliberate segregating in your schools? We had a cafeteria where most of the black student would go to be with other black people. Hispanics would be with their own and asians too. The white people would just be alone because there were so few.

[@Utada379]

Cry me a river.

[@meghand.193]

@@Utada379 It's not about pity. The question was if white people experience racism, and my answer was yes, coming from a unique experience, being the majority race of my country, being the minority race in my community. Super simple. Though, your reaction to that does expose your lack of empathy, because if I were black speaking on my experience with racism, your reply wouldn't be the same. You'll grow out of it.

[@tibodeclercq2131]

Anyone can experience racism, if that racism is systemic is another question. Non-systemic racism is a very real thing too.

[@alpacamale2909]

if implicit bias exists within the system then white people do indeed experience it, every time someone makes x and excludes white people from it then it is racism

[@dancer4066]

Non systemic racism is prejudice

[@ghevisartor6005]

@@dancer4066 saying a racial slur is racist not prejudice

[@lilmunkey5934]

@@dancer4066 false

[@millennialsecularandauthri3338]

@@dancer4066 Prejudice is such a broad category though. It can include things other than race. Liberals simply redefined racism as way to take ownership of such a strong word.

[@kiraplager101]

This is one of the most respectful Middle Ground episodes. There was minimal interruptions and they gave each other space to fully express their points of view. And all that done without a moderator! Bravo!

[@TooJunie]

Joshua lost me at the end. To me thats a lot to do with his parents who adopted him telling them what they feel…

[@clove100]

THIS. I was just looking like 🥴🥴 it was all making sense

[@merrytunes8697]

Yea, he didn’t even want to walk further about the white privilege. Even the white people acknowledged it before him.

[@jgreed5]

Joshua had positive experiences. Why “discriminate” on him for his viewpoint

[@Mimi4826]

When Ciera asked him about the slave owners and their descendants benefitting off of the slaves backs all he could do was repeat himself because he had no rebuttal. Lol

[@nyny12553]

Agreed

[@justdont2378]

Never thought that middle ground will ever have a 3 side episode

[@chrislife1101]

This was a great episode. I feel like Joshua's perception on everything is changed based on how he was raised, the environment he was raised in, who raised him and his personal experiences. But he's speaking from a place of privellage based on those factors mentioned

[@CanteLizzie]

I thought that as well and was looking for this comment. Like when he talked about never experiencing slavery so no reparations are needed. That seemed like a white republican talking point that he probably picked up from his parents.

[@407house.]

Being apart of the foster care is not a privilege

[@AnxChan]

@@407house. he was adopted really young, not raised in the system

[@alsokaitlin]

Its not that crazy. My ancestors were native American, but idc

[@TLewis-jp7qz]

@@alsokaitlin weren’t you given sovereign land?

[@jacksonfontenot9455]

That part about different departments for cops was actually a great idea