Judge Zeller and the East Boston Preparatory School - Fallout 4 Lore

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[@DarkestMirrored]

The skeleton bits in the locker could easily be posed by a raider, but they could also be an oblique reference to somebody having been _stuffed in a locker_ *before* the bombs dropped...

[@yvonnesearle574]

Woah how do you do italics?

[@NotRemmyCormo]

Magic Man Put the _ symbol before and after what you want to type _For example_

[@mateus4287]

_cool_

[@prussianpotato6894]

Johnny Topside _I’m lonely_

[@marcellodeltoro5772]

_neat_

[@DrSteveH]

I've always considered this method of "recruitment" to be flawed; The one person that'd make a good raider (the killer that smiled at torture) they killed. The rest of his gang is made up of scared settlers. No threat to his rule, but all he has is a large number of weak underlings. Any other raider gang could wipe these out with half the men. In reality, you could kill the judge and the rest would happily leave to be settlers again.

[@whoevencaresbrawecb1139]

The Mini Details Of Dr.H Not necessarily they have been mentally broken and if Judge Zeller died they would stay the same (if I understand the level of torture they were put through) like some kidnapped people grow a connection with their captor but x1000 (like that guy from 1984 who got Winston to love “Big Brother”) killing them just ends their suffering

[@user-kc2fu8iw3v]

or they could turn on him. it's not like he overwrites their minds with raider ai. they're scared into submission, then given guns. it's a disaster waiting to happen.

[@DoNkEy_LoVE]

Nope... Y'all wrong... Plot doesn't call for it... Lol

[@quantusmechanicus5921]

19:18 "Something dramatic must've happened." Yeah Oxhorn, it's called the nuclear apocalypse.

[@smgeezus7186]

I don't know if ox was playing dumb as a joke or really didn't think about it, but yeah, the plane that crashed because of the bombs probably caused the room to collapse.

[@smgeezus7186]

Also, nice pic. /)

[@StormyKopaAMVs]

That's just Oxhorn being a dad, he does that from time to time :P

[@5TailFox]

Whenever I ask myself if my merciless extermination campaign against the Commonwealth's numerous Raider gangs is justified, I need only remind myself of the story being told by the Raider in Backstreet Apparel. That told me all I needed to know.

[@coreysprinkel3630]

I really think Zeller should have had some dialogue. would've been cool to tell him that you aren't signing the blood contract and then to kill him.

[@argonnas01]

@jbiehlable haha a fellow canadian I see

[@suicidalfrog5207]

@@argonnas01 it's good being candadean

[@godshollownutsack9272]

Or... Or... Take the pact, then silently murder everypne who sleeps... Including zeller

[@sephirothdomain1]

That be a damn good one liner

[@StoneFrost]

That would require effort

[@dementiademise1145]

Oxhorn, if you ever do any audio recordings for books I will listen to all of them because you have a really nice voice.

[@jsun106]

Dementia Demise Agreed

[@patriciadrury4050]

Dementia Demise Dito

[@yaoiboi60]

Think he's already made a book.

[@genetbobenet1901]

Same

[@michaelscott4521]

oh he should do a dramatic reading of a book on here like the postman or the road

[@gardanothdaedra-blood6834]

"Discreet". Blows everything up in sight.

[@HauntingBull]

Hey Ox, if you haven't already... next time you see a sandbag barricade and you have power armor on just walk through them. Lots of fun!

[@Conspirator9481]

don't know why we can't build sandbag defenses at settlements... Bethesda...why?

[@koroit1969]

When im buisy with defending the museum of freedom and I accidently stomp a sandbag it almost gives me a hearthattack

[@patnightingale5897]

Zeb Cheek I

[@NederlandBall]

That always gives me heart attacks.

[@victoryfaction]

@@koroit1969 Same here. First time I did it my heart leapt into my throat.

[@mrwarr]

9:13 the most unrealistic thing in the fallout universe (that I surprisingly missed multiple times) is the idea that those foam acoustic panels survived nuclear war plus 210 years without disintegrating to dust, let alone without falling off the wall. 😅

[@themudpit621]

So... has anyone tried stealth-boying it up to the top, killing the judge and his consorts, and seeing if the subordinate blood contracted conscript raiders give in or simply run away?

[@simonlee7513]

Knowing the way Bethesda programmed AI, I doubt they'd surrender.

[@themudpit621]

That's my feeling too, but I'd love to hear I was wrong.

[@brotherhoodofsteelpaladin5890]

The Mudpit I did that and the raiders kept attacking

[@dashiellgillingham4579]

Those who claim that morality does not exist, inevitably violate it. Be careful what you claim.

[@meat2023]

Dashiell Gillingham That still happens with people who claim to have morals fam

[@magnenoalex2]

Morality doesnt exist till someone steals from them. It's a self defeating mentality. Like people who say objective truth doesnt exist. Even though that very statement is an objective truth

[@Insolent8]

Raiders just doing what they need to do to survive? Do people really think that? Maybe in the short term after the bombs fell sure, but 200+ years later in the setting of 4? There's no shortages of farms and towns, they could always just give it up and start their own. They chose to be what they are. It's just easier to take from someone than it is to do it yourself.

[@jamesdawson1171]

Hate to tell ya Black Death but Even Vikings had there own settlements and did there own farming. Like he said its a matter of choice and they chose to be that way.

[@theinternetpolice2078]

To be honest, Raiders in apocalypse media as a whole is a _very_ poor portrayal of criminals and looters. Ah yes, criminals in the post apocalypse would definitely be bloodthirsty savages.

[@napatora]

@@theinternetpolice2078 let's be honest some of them certainly would be. there's no centralized element of law and order to keep them contained or in check and the social contract has changed to where violence is much more accepted. the worst among us would most definitely take advantage of that. sure not all of them would be as bad as judge zeller but not all the raiders in this game are either. if the worst sociopaths of today do what they do imagine what they would do in this world.

[@user-kc2fu8iw3v]

22:22 there's always a way. pretend to break, become a raider, then stab your gang in the back. contracts, blood or not are just agreements. an agreement is extremely easy to break, just do it. if you die for it, you were going to anyway like that guy who wanted to die. but you can always get away during some shootout, and become "dead", at which point they'll almost definitely fail to enforce it. even governments tend to fail to enforce contracts, so a small ragtag group of raiders is far more likely to fail to enforce anything.

[@edengarcia9115]

" traders welcome? Things like this would make me weary, wonder if anyone had fell for them"" Me:*sweats profusely*

[@joeey6378]

I feel like the fact that Professor was crossed out and there was a blank line means that Zeller was trying to think of a title. Good thing he went for judge instead of Professor Zeller

[@no-hv2ur]

That would make sense

[@MrHandsOn]

fin means finished. it's a comic book thing. and the girl skeleton with the coffee and bubblegum. i think its a Breakfast at Tiffany's reference.

[@RommelTheDesertFox]

MrJamesfluke It is

[@RabidDogEOCF]

MrJamesfluke its a french word, most commonly used in films, but yes comics as well.

[@SLFSL]

If you are talking about the blocks, then it say's FINE not FIN..

[@miksuko]

Fin isn't just a comic book thing...

[@stillcakid]

m1ksu opening credits...its a comic book thing lol

[@MystoRobot]

I like your morality sir, respect :) I never really hanged around Bunker Hill in both or my playthroughs... But I will definitively re-visit that school once activating the quest. Caravan traders visiting your settlement make things even more RP.

[@zombieranger3410]

I like the chalkboard part, only for the raider saying "your getting paranoid, there ain't nothing here"

[@ghost-facedhindu4275]

I don't know what happened for Ox, but that vacant hallway with the debris blocking it ended up being a killbox for me. Over eight raiders armed with auto pipe guns, molotovs, and frag grenades. It took a fierce push in make it into the hall for a foothold. Lucky Ox.

[@nekoali2]

Zeller's Army is one of the more interesting gangs in the city, and one of the few with personality. I am a little surprised that you haven't covered the Corvega raiders yet, as far as I know. For many people that will be their first encounter with raiders, via the gang in Concord. And possibly their first major 'raider dungeon' if they follow Preston's quest line.

[@troodon1096]

"That really only leaves you with one option: kill or be killed." Hate to nitpick, but that's TWO options.

[@adamwolfe3005]

Troodon yea but who wants to be killed? Leaving one option.

[@curator3539]

So I am known by my friends and family as a fan of the villains. In most things I find the villains more fascinating and I like delving into their pasts. I am SO with you about the raiders! They are NOT just trying to survive and (in a lot of cases) they aren't forced into doing all the raider things they do. You see that a lot in The Walking Dead too, where people say "Oh I was just doing what I had to" and you think, "no, no you had quite a few more options".

[@melloanaligia]

Ox, the part where you run over the synths was priceless. And then the car exploded. Great finale.

[@cortus8046]

Ox, I hope you know that watching you randomly spray down those pumpkin head manikins put a smile on my face.

[@janehuskmann1914]

"In this world, it's kill or be killed." - Flowey, UNDERTALE

[@lightan117]

Have you ever found the skeleton by Sanctuary? The one found east of the pond/lake that surrrounds Sanctuary, north of Concord? I found a mailbox with a spine and rib cage in it and found it odd. I've been watching your videos for a couple of days and love them!

[@animehuntress9018]

Is it a riddle? Professor Crossed the Line? Professor crossed out, Line, ? = Professor crossed the Line?

[@nelaina]

Timely and fascinating parallel to what we are seeing in the real clash of cultures today. Good work as always.

[@Sacremas]

The Forged would make for a very obvious follow up to this. Very similar situation there with a raider king torturing conscripts in various ways to become a big player fast. Also it's interesting how the raiders seem to be connected to each other; after taking out the guy at Corvega you can find terminal notes on other raider bases about them hearing about him going. The Corvega guy, a former Minuteman I believe, would be a good choice also for a video. Oh and Red and her kidnapped sister... Actually there's a lot of cool raiders out there, more so than interesting settlers and the like, so good choice for series topic!

[@blackRXrider]

I explored this school without even doing the mission. whoops. didn't even know about this sidequest. I just did quests for the bos.

[@emeraldclone117]

Same here

[@Bluesit32]

Kaz Kinnikuman Hell, I end up doing that sort of thing while aimlessly wandering the Commonwealth. It actually caused problems. Once P.A.M. sent me to clear out a place, but I already cleared it. The synths never respawned, leaving me unable to progress.

[@VimyGlide]

What kind of shitty fucking open-world RPG doesn't account for exploration? Fallout 4, apparently.

[@derpyman7187]

Great video Ox! I didn't know about Judge Zeller or this quest until you posted this video, thank you.

[@YABBAHEY1]

Last time I was at this location one of the girl raiders on another floor made me laugh: "Power armor, Huh ? Bring it !

[@Redeemer115]

1984 is a really good book. I high recommend it.

[@mixmastermurphy]

Redeemer115 I high too, bud. Far out.

[@Redeemer115]

Highly* my mistake in grammar. Apologies.

[@stevenx399]

No it’s propaganda

[@paulcarmi8130]

@@stevenx399 it definitely isn't, and we're getting closer to it.

[@scarletrain2818]

Oh, I think I cleared this place out by accident the first time I played Fallout 4. Glad I finally figured out it was part of a quest.

[@mookie714]

Woah! I've been playing FO4 for over 300 hours and I never knew about the bunker hill trading post thing. I'm going to do that when I get home tonight.

[@nedasalijosius6191]

This is a perfect spot for a mirelurk den

[@Inu-san151]

I came across your channel by chance, yet it's become a daily ritual for me to kick back and watch your videos after work. I never knew how in-depth the Fallout 4 lore was!

[@leagueofteague]

The Disciples from Nuka World would've gotten along well with Judge Zeller and his gang.

[@fpshightide]

Your videos always make me want to play more fallout 4

[@indianwarlord6935]

Pffft who'd fall for that lol you can literally hear the raiders screaming ''get ready!''

[@aaronpangrazio3760]

I think there is a back door to this map. If you sneak through the back, you witness one of the settlers falling from the top floor. You can't save them, and can only see this happening through a hole in the wall!

[@vic771]

Things have slowed down here at work and that means its time for the friendly neighborhood Oxhorn!!!

[@ericpilgrim3929]

Oxhorn: Post apocalypse detective. Crafting theories one corpse at a time.

[@josephgideon4296]

The torture involving rats also appeared in the first Dishonored game, in which Corvo Attano (the protagonist) intimidated Anton Sokolov into relinquishing vital information regarding those involved in the kidnapping of Emily Kaldwin and the wrongful incrimination of Corvo himself.

[@syrus5171]

YESSS OXHORN FOR THE MORNING!

[@alameachan]

There are parallels between Judge Zeller and the Reapers from Firefly/Serenity.

[@imadethisusernamereallylon5316]

15:03 "Common in prep schools of the time" ... that time being 2077

[@plasmabat718]

Well the thing about the Fallout universe is that American culture is pretty much an exaggerated version of the 1950s, because it never advanced past that, so whatever kind of shit they did in the 1950s they did in 2077. I think that's one of the main reasons that their world ended up in a nuclear war, because their culture didn't progress and get better.

[@kenketrickfreeman7942]

Plasma Bat did our universe get better?

[@ecasey91]

Kenketrick Freeman79 no

[@rubens.4116]

Should do the lore on the south Boston highschool. Kellogg is a part of it on behalf of the institute and has an interesting family the institute wanted the teenager.

[@cursedstevehalloweenandgam1037]

You kinda forgot about the little room on the first floor with the classroom, to the left of the enterance

[@40k34]

The skeleton was probably a teacher with a fresh cup of coffee who had confiscated the gum when the bombs dropped.

[@jyzz6784]

"What's the worst thing that ever happened to you" Well, I was at a prep school

[@suntiger745]

Ah, then you are familiar with peer pressure, bullies given free range, draconian and arbitrary punishments and nepotism. You will fit right in with our raider gang!

[@highimjuan]

You the real MVP Ox,

[@robertprice9561]

Nuclear bombs scorch the earth damn right I'm dying with a lot of soda.

[@imsainne6419]

why is it terrifying when that lady turns and walks away after the initial conversation

[@AB-bg7os]

Lol zeller means celery

[@AB-bg7os]

Thats awsome! i love how they put little thing in the games like these....

[@crosbythewolf9315]

Synth Curie I wonder does he judge food in his spare time

[@kodiakbrown1502]

Igen, magyarul, “Zeller” azt jelenti hogz “celery”.

[@decimation9780]

Judge Celery... consume the Judge to gain his vegetable knowledge!

[@OfficiallyDrippy]

Hey cutie Really tho

[@Its_Me_Romano]

Ox ur thumbnails always look like book covers and movie posters, ur an artist

[@LoudonWhite]

Did anybody else notice that he switched to his Brotherhood of Steel character towards the end?

[@poop-ex1qf]

also its nice seeing your stuff after ive actually just done the mission, you point out the stuff i always over look!

[@argonnas01]

Haha edge lords waiting for the apocalypse to reveal how psycho they are. Raiders would take a long trip off a short rope in my town

[@mattiazanirato5566]

"FINE" in italian mean "END" maybe for you is something, i love your narration skills

[@RichardGaston]

Just saw this, I know it's a year late lol, but what I have noticed in Fall Out 4 you get a couple of missions like this one where you come to the same place, you get a similar mission from the Railroad to rescue an Operative like yourself who was captured but you find that one dead to which you report it at the main encampment for the Railroad. If you were to find another mission that will make you come back to this place (as well as others) you will notice that it resets for that mission parameters, and everything that is in boxes and such are refilled :)

[@Jackie89000]

The person that spent their last moments alive gorging themselves on nuka cola is the most relatable character in the game.

[@samuelpearce7294]

I believe the names on the chalkboards are references the codenames the player can choose when siding with the railroad. The names that have a line through them are ones that they did not choose.

[@the_DeadEye]

There is ALWAYS certain set of morals, in all cases, at all times. Sometimes they are in the gray area, sometimes it's bent in someway depending in a situation, but moral is whats inside your heart and mind. If you only act as a good person because there are "laws" or you are afraid to go to "hell", you are a bad person.

[@cloudyvortex]

The culture conflict is true. This game treats raiders as if they were gangs, but other Fallout games treated them as tribes. You raided because you were born to. Your parents taught you to be a raider because that was all they knew. And most knew how to work for a living when they weren't raiding, just as real life raiders. On the '90s Canadian sketch comedy "Red Green Show", habitual petty crook and former convict Mike Hammer noted "Oh, crime pays. It's just not steady." While this doesn't necessarily apply to modern organized criminals who are full time, historical raider-types often engaged in civilian jobs most of the time. Vikings and Mongols were traders just like Kessler. Buccaneers and the Sioux were hunters and meat smokers. The Navajo were craftsmen and shepherds. French corsairs and English sea dogs were gentlemen farmers. Sea Beggars and the Continentals they inspired were patriots who used raiding to fight against foreign domination. Maghrebi corsairs were holy warriors fight back against their persecutors. The term 'brigand' originally meant an unemployed warrior who turned to violence to sustain himself in peace because that was all he knew. Hell, the scourge on the horn was created by the Indian Navy chasing at the time innocent Somali fishermen off their ancestral fisheries so corporate fishing could harvest and rich Indians could get richer. Having no other way to sustain themselves, fishing being the only resource gathering possible in Somalia (no forests, no minerals, no land you can grow anything on), villages turned to kidnapping and extortion to feed themselves. And get a leg up on others. You see, the kind of greed and ambition that leads people like Zeller to torture people to make raiders out of them is the same greed and ambition as what lead Kessler to re-found Bunker Hill and turn it into a caravan hub. Indeed the worst and most vicious raiders and conquerors of all time were the same early modern and industrial era Europeans who created the modern world. The industrial revolution started with textile mills that were built with investment by British men who had already made a fortune extracting wealth from the freshly conquered India and were looking for even more money. Those mills were then fed with cotton harvested by slaves who were tortured to gain more and more free labor. The money made from _that_ went into electricity, railroads, paved road and automobiles, modern medicine, aviation, modern education and near total literacy, refrigeration and organizing the modern state. All it took was robbed South Asians and tortured African-Americans. And this isn't even going into how many nations were founded by migrant warrior castes that conquered an area and only slowly built it into a place worth living in. No, Oxhorn, while the actions in-an-of-themselves cannot be justified and I certainly enjoyed killing Zeller and setting Kessler's people free, people like raiders aren't the ones who destroy civilization. They are the bastards who are responsible for it. We just have a hard time seeing real life raiders for what they are if they look like us, dress attractively, worship our gods, and hide their crimes well. We look the other way, because we owe so much to them and their crimes and don't want to have to pay their victims back.

[@waltersimeon387]

Zeller was beyond the usual kind of raider thuggery.

[@tobyewolfe9998]

I'm happy you can calmly talk counterpoint down instead of getting fussy.

[@Muwufox]

hi

[@madame_mediocre]

Interesting side note, if you don't completely clear the place but do complete the mission, if you go back they will ALL be there again except the body of Zeller is just a raider psycho with a blood contract on him, Bethesda is pretty funny with there glitches sometimes lol. #FatherisnotShaun

[@anomomysgaming9921]

when i went there without the quest i saw the signs like welcome traders i went nope nope nope nope and backed off (low level)

[@VAULT-TEC_INC.]

I love your avatar in this video Ox! Looks just like you! Although I expected you to be wearing the Minuteman General's outfit.

[@KINGFAMILY123]

i think the rat torture is a refrence to dishonored because you lock anton sokolov in a cage with rats to make him talk

[@benderrodriguez6343]

Ox, I feel like those chalk board decorations are vaguely related to the "to the mattress" missions. The first one of those says something about the raider missions being something Glory had advocated for awhile. maybe he had run across the various raiders enough that they came to know her that way?

[@Trustworthy_McLegitimate]

I did not complete Battle of Bunker Hill to get it as a settlement. I was trying to do the Peaceful Minutemen ending, so before destroying the Institute , I saved that Synth in Covenant, went back to Bunker Hill to see if the old geezer was impressed when that blond lady said that line about running with powerful friends, and boom, got control of BH.

[@decimation9780]

You missed an area in the School Ox, if you had gone under the staircase you would have found a broken wall with a corpse and a duffle bag inside it.

[@TheIronHordesman2]

3:52 Really ox? there is a type of coffee in Turkey with gum in it i dont like it personally but yeah just think of it

[@shadowsketch926]

coffee and bubblegum? considering the fact she's a skeleton, maybe a reference to dethklok, with the coffee jingle and later their gum ad? just kidding, i don't think it's that, but it's the only thing that pops in my mind when thinking of coffee and bubblegum xD

[@napatora]

it's a breakfast at tiffany's reference

[@arthurmorgan6640]

They threw the bodies down the hole it's not a bad idea if your trying to clear the place out but you're going to need to clear out the bodies sometime

[@LMHS-0644]

10:32 "When they point a gun at you, it only leaves you with one option... Kill or be killed." Yeah, that's two options.

[@jestergergoth8165]

I've started a playthrough as a raider who only targets other Raiders, using a mod that converts some settlements into raider camps. Clearing this school is gonna be good

[@porkrichardson1017]

Really good!! I love when you do lore

[@dualclutchburner9089]

i have a theory, instead of the multiple marks on the chalkbooks being for decoration, maybe they resemble areas that at one time were railroad had put saved synths at, and agents would be there to protect

[@joyfuldude4538]

The "death by rats" may also be a reference to Dishonored. Solkolov, a bad guy who gets captured by the player and his group. He is threatened to give up information by being locked in a cage, next to a cage of rats.

[@fernandozelaya3939]

I have been watching ever since the oxhorn movies of wow. You were and you are my childhood entertainer.

[@donegaldan102]

Oxhorn Thank you for your videos. I'm on haliday and have really bad food poisoning. Listening/watching your videos wile I try and recover makes it all easier. Keep up the good work love your videos. Thank you

[@ttigerccat3678]

Oxhorn "I wish there was a way to save them" Me "raider head go sploosh"

[@benmitchell6078]

Nice Video Oxhorn

[@lordj1018]

What if the words like professor are railroad agents that were captured and interrogated by the raiders

[@beckett2674]

he probably didn't think of his throne as a throne, since he is a judge it would be his Judge's Chambers, and I guess the room before that would be the jury's chambers

[@ccotton9989]

Hey just wanted to mention that professor is a nickname u can choose in the railroad when you officially join... glory was also a member of the rail road and her name was written at the posiden energy plant like professor is here.

[@JeffRatliffhome]

This explains a lot. I went through this school as a random encounter and although there are references to the Judge, you never see him. No hostages to rescue and no building caravan stops in your settlements. I guess that leaves something to do on my next playthrough. I think the flaw in Judge Zeller's method is that most people after signing the contract would leave the first chance they got. Unless there is some kind of extensive brainwashing that happens after the torture that causes them to break. Still, it seems harder than farming to me.

[@trevorhernandez3004]

I fell for the “traders welcome” 😂😂

[@benjijacobs2049]

I like to think I’d be a person in this universe who wants to rebuild, like Aradesh and Tandi on the west coast, or with a group like the minutemen on the east coast, but ultimately we don’t know who we’ll be until that happens if that happens

[@maxwelljohnson9052]

Pretty sure the chalkboard areas are where you find the railroad outposts that got overrun

[@jinxmas]

only references to "coffee and bubble gum" as far as tv is Princess Bubble Gum saying "Coffee time!"

[@maclennanld]

I always wonder why the skeletons act like they are held together by wires and glue despite 200 years of decomposition.

[@MadOgre]

The blocks say "FIN" as in "The End" as many films are ended with "Fin". So, the skeleton said that he was finished.

[@federicozunino1320]

Good quality vid as always, Ox! When is the next character study coming out?

[@bruhniggabruh9045]

How do you know that when the videos 23 mins long and it was uploaded minutes ago

[@federicozunino1320]

I know most of the location's story already, having played the quest a number of times, so I skipped the exploration part and went to the confrontation with Zeller. And I think I can judge the format and technical quality of a video from what I've seen.

[@Chris11502]

That skeletons really "Hanging" around.

[@derekmay9717]

Ox you and nuke and the exploring series need to do a team up.

[@discordsimp.1082]

the truck for the heads Professor it was probably a big fun a joke