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[@draket3333]

Question about the Spawning Pool example: Why is it still a land? Wouldn't the copy effect from Assimilation Aegis overwrite the land type before the type changing effect applies? Even though the ability says "it's still a land," it doesn't grant the land type to it.

[@JudgingFtW]

This was an oversight. You are correct; the type line would just be Creature - Skeleton Bear for the reason you said.

[@jerodast]

I caught that too (wasn't sure either, thanks for clarifying!), but I forgot that since we are right, it's extra hilarious that "It's still a land" causes it to still be a bear, but not actually still be a land 🤣🤣

[@TheShadowflare789]

I really thought this question would be the other way around, where you exile an animated vehicle with Assimilation Aegis and then try to make another creature into a copy of it. But after thinking about it, that wouldn't work, because Assimilation Aegis turns the equipped creature into a copy of a "creature card" exiled with it, and vehicles are not "creature cards."

[@jerodast]

I definitely thought that might be a follow up question too! And I agree with your conclusion. But to follow up...what exactly DOES happen when it doesn't work? I assume when the trigger resolves, no copy effect gets created, but I'm not sure I recall a rule specifically saying "an effect that tries to copy nothing doesn't actually happen". Maybe it creates a copy effect copying a completely blank permanent haha. But probably not :)

[@PKFat]

Every time I see your videos in my feed I look up the cards or ruling in question & try to see if I can understand the problem ahead of time. This time I was way off. I was under the impression the problem would be that Aegis had exiled a crewed vehicle, which would mean the effect of the vehicle wouldn't get copied because Aegis explicitly states the equipped creature becomes "a copy of a _creature card_ exiled with" it. As the creature status of a vehicle is only temporary, it would be an artifact card & a ruling of Aegis states "If you somehow exile a noncreature card with Assimilation Aegis’s first ability (possibly because it was a copy of a creature while on the battlefield), you can’t choose to have the creature Assimilation Aegis is attached to become a copy of that card when Assimilation Aegis’s second ability resolves."

[@jerodast]

That's a really oddly phrased ruling given that ability has no choices! It's mandatory for it to become a copy, it's not a matter of a choice you're making being illegal, it's a matter of what the effect does when it has nothing to copy. I mean, same result, but phrasing that way was a weird...choice :)

[@jerodast]

Okay I think I see what happened. There's a different ruling "If there are no creature cards exiled with Assimilation Aegis when its second ability resolves, the creature Assimilation Aegis is attached to won’t become a copy of anything else. It will remain just as it was." which describes it the way I was thinking. I think the ruling you quoted (which is listed earlier than the other one on Scryfall) was sort of written with the "what if it exiled multiple creatures somehow and you have to choose one" case in mind. And the one I quoted was for the much more likely "you exiled one thing, but it was actually a Vehicle/manland/etc" situation.

[@quint3ssent1a]

This feels something like Cinderella's Fairy Godmother carriage being made out of giant pumpkin, lol. Apparently fairy just used some creative rules to crew a vehicle...

[@jpaden8515]

Now if I happen to have a morph/disguise/cloaked creature face down in play and I equip it with Aegis will it get the copied creature effect? Seeing as it may be a layers issue involving copiable characteristics and the defined characteristics from the effect that put it into play face down.

[@fhortedakwhil2904]

613.2a: it copies the card, 613.2b: it gets modified to its face down characteristics defined by 708.2 (the ones that the thing putting it face down said it has, 2/2 blank creature otherwise). When flipped face up it no longer has 613.2b applied, and so ‘returns’ to just being a copy of the card as it would be expected to have been from 613.2a

[@jerodast]

This is a layers weirdness I really think they should clean up. fhortedakwhil2904 (wow!) is exactly right. Essentially, the front face of the card, which you can't even see, becomes a copy, but since that face is still down, you don't see the copy's characteristics either.

[@jerodast]

I think most people find this unintuitive and might prefer that morph effects simply be treated like copy effects on the same layer: If a card is face down, its characteristics would be defined as a copy of a canonical nameless "blank" creature, or a nameless "blank" with ward if it became face down from Disguise/Cloak. Subsequent copies override the "blank" characteristics. If that copy ends, it goes back to being blank. If something was already a copy, and then was turned face down, that turn down would still override the original copy, just like one copy effect can override another (in timestamp order). Seems easier than remembering which way the layers go IMO.

[@yargolocus4853]

What happens when you use pull from eternity to move the card exiled by assimilation aegis into the graveyard?

[@Minizemful]

If there are no cards exiled by Aegis, then you can't chose a card for it to become a copy of. The equipped creature doesn't change.

[@yargolocus4853]

@@Minizemful moreso if the aegis is already equipped on a creature and turned to a copy of another. what happens if the exiled card is removed then? I would think the equipped creature doesn't change retroactively

[@seandun7083]

​@@yargolocus4853it won't change. Aegis has a triggered ability when it becomes equipped, which creates a copy effect with the duration of "as long as it's still equipped"

[@fhortedakwhil2904]

It would become a copy of the card until it comes unattached, if the creature is later removed the effect wouldn’t end, as the effect has already resolved and it’s ‘until’ hasn’t been met

[@szymonmaciejewski663]

I have a question. I have Grizzly Bears and Body Double in my graveyard. I cast Ever After, targeting them both. Can I choose to have Body Double enter as a copy of Grizzly Bears?

[@Dazllingston]

So, when crew ability ends, the equipped vehicle would stop being an "artifact creature -bear" , and would be just a "creature-bear", right?

[@jerodast]

Yep, it would just be an exact copy of Grizzly Bears with no other effects or modifications at that point.

[@pullarius1]

The templating of "...becomes a copy of *a* creature card..." feels weird to me. Isn't "any" usually used there?

[@Frommerman]

Because the circumstances where there are multiple exiled cards are unusual.

[@jerodast]

I would've expected "the creature card", as Imprint is usually phrased. I wonder if they decided to split the difference and use the less definitive "a" just in case there were multiples, but not "any" to avoid implying that there should be multiples :)

[@speedcheetah1630]

That was so cool 😎

[@ShadowPheonix77]

I encountered a very niche interaction in a commander game a week ago, that the table couldn't really find an answer to. (For better understanding, I had both infinite mana and could play at flash speed) My opponent cast Kogla, the Titan Ape, and wanted it to fight my Commander. In response, I cast Machine God's Effigy, having it enter the battlefield as a copy of Kogla. The Enters trigger would obviously go onto the stack, but can a Non-Creature fight another creature? We as a table concluded that it wouldn't be able to fight, since Machine God's Effigy states that it isn't a creature. Before the original Kogla ability had resolved, an Imposter Mech, also having it enter the battlefield as a copy of Kogla. Now we had a different situation. Obviously the enters trigger still goes onto the stack, but can I crew the Imposter Mech in response, making it a creature that is then able to fight? Could I not have to crew it and would it still fight? Love the daily videos, and keep up the good work!

[@GolbezSA]

Here's my (L0 judge) understanding of what would happen in these scenarios: Highly relevant text is contained in rule 701.12b: "If one or both creatures instructed to fight are ... no longer creatures, neither of them fights or deals damage." This would mean that in the Machine God's Effigy case, there would be no fight - Kogla won't deign to fight a big pile of metal (though would be happy to destroy it with the attack trigger) and the effigy can't punch the titan ape in response since it's an inanimate object, so the match is off. This would of course all change if Kogla's intended opponent became a creature before the ability resolved, which in the Imposter Mech case seems highly likely. I would finally add, just to make things less clear, that rule 701.12a states that "A spell or ability may instruct a creature to fight another creature or it may instruct two creatures to fight each other." This could be taken to mean the ability would never go on the stack if the permanents in question aren't creatures by the time Dave's fairies that put triggered abilities on the stack are putting the ability there, but I would argue that it will stack up as normal, based on the fact that there's no Intervening If or other rules text on the card or in the CR for Fighting that hinder it from doing so.

[@jerodast]

@@GolbezSA Agreed. Fight is simply an effect of the card, and while it may be impacted by targeting rules (fight won't happen if one of two targets has become illegal), it doesn't actually impose any targeting rules; they'd be stated in the "casting a spell/activating an ability/triggered abilities" steps for putting those things on the stack, and they aren't. So you can put the fight on the stack and have enough time to crew the Imposter.

[@markkarlo4869]

I had a situation with Dhalsim, Pliable Pacifist and Odric, Lunarch Marshall that I need to have checked. In this, Dhalsim can attack but will lose Hexproof when he does. So at the beginning of combat and with Odric's ability , he still sees Dhalsim when he has Hexproof and (i think) would give Dhalsim Hexproof before he was declared as an attacker. Am I correct in thinking that Dhalsim would have Hexproof after he is declared as an attacker?

[@fhortedakwhil2904]

Correct, as it’s just a basic Hexproof with a condition and not a Hexproof variant like “Hexproof from white” where attacking would disable all of them (odric would give all creatures the specific variant if it were one)