JUDOKA MAD AT REFEREES AT PARIS OLYMPICS 2024

[@Itzak15]

Most annoying thing for me are false attacks or someone spamming of the grip attacks to get the other player a pasivity shido

[@triverr4731]

One thing I think would make Judo more enjoyable to watch is if the judges would loosen up a bit after the match. More often than not we can see somebody winning gold medal, exhausted and celebrating for a couple of seconds but the judges are always rushing them off the court the second it finishes. I understand that our sport has a lot of tradition bound in it but you could at least let the man celebrate for 10 seconds without giving the "yeah, you won gold but I need to go home" vibes. Kudos to Judo Highlights, my favorite channel on Judo!

[@hugoviegas1292]

We have a sport where coaches and olimpic atheletes dont understand why they lost, this tells a lot about what this referee comission ruled by mr. Lascau are doing to our sport.

[@sylver76]

About the whole "leg grabs are banned to protect Japanese judoka" rhetoric, in Japan, a lot of competitions are still done with Kodokan rules... and those allow leg grabs. So in fact, if you want to compete with leg grabs in Judo, ironically, Japan's the place.

[@jackfisher1921]

Judo sport has been going down hill ever since the IJF took over control of rules from the Kodokan.

[@najo7511]

The rule fix is simple, bring back yuko. In the Macedo vs Ngayap bronze match yesterday, Macedo almost threw Ngayap 3 times in the last minute, but was disqualified for a minor inconvenience. Judges have to decide who is the better judoka, so is it the one who almost threw 3 times or the one who almost fell 3 times? If they would bring back yuko, Macedo would be awarded for the throws he did which proves him being a better judoka, but one accident gives you a shido and makes you lose whilst clearly being dominant. This would make a ton of fights not end in shido and a ton of fights not going into long boring golden scores (which also almost always end in shido which noone wants to see).

[@judouniverse]

Very good idea

[@hugo2fiscalrn]

Totally agreed

[@yabelson]

the reason for the d.q. was simple - the other opponent was French. didnt you notice that a lot of the French matches were won by 3rd shido?

[@noone-ld7pt]

I think most would agree that a lot of matches these days aren't fought and decided the way we want Judo to be fought and decided. Now there are several reasons for that and it's a very complex problem to solve, but if enough people can atleast agree on that fundamental point then we can finally start working on getting the sport to be what it should be. Cause right now it feels like a lot of words and squabbling and very little changing.

[@christian_k_e]

Too extreme of a message, but seeing half of the contest being decided by shidos does indicate something might be very wrong. I watched the olympics with people who had never watched judo before and they found it super boring that the refs were throwing shidos left and right and hated that many contest were decided by shidos.

[@Yupppi]

Yeah I agree, it's been somewhat of a shame to watch people just not engaging in judo, referees have to do something so it wouldn't be 10 minutes of watching nobody do anything. At least in some matches the players had actually come to play judo and it was great to watch.

[@MatthewNguyen-zx3de]

@@Yupppi The 81s and up mostly delivered varied and fantastic Judo. I think its up to players to pursue the spirit of Judo and not play the game, and for refs to enforce their rules more cleanly without too much disruption.

[@brianbutler1142]

The rules against "direct bear hugs" and the "inside the sleeve grip" are ridiculous. So many great throws have been discounted due to these meaningless rules. Get rid of them

[@hugoviegas1292]

The most important rule change is take of shidos for failled atacks and failled situation. Like you do an atack and touch the leg doesnt count as score but you dont loose a fight because of that

[@nickyonezuka-cranfordjkc4931]

My son Jack Yonezuka got robbed on shido's, the 2nd one was ridiculous after attacking just before he stepped off the mat to attend bloody lip, the Moldovian attacked in the 1st exchange and they gave shido to Jack. The 3rd shido came when uke attacked Sumi and Jack put his arm in between the legs to pass and had a pin, this is all after ukes back was on the mat. Jack has done this many times in the past with no penalty. It's no longer judo, it's the shido game. The crowd is routing for shido's ? Bring back the old rules where everyone was trying to throw and win by Judo and the refs could use discretion on when to make calls etc.

[@connorlau980]

Although I disagree with the "grip and go" and "win by shido" state of judo today, I did analyze Jacks Fight, and I do agree that the third shido was not warranted, but for the second one, prior to the busted lip, his last attack was an o ouchi at 2:40, they gave him a shido at 1:15, in that time there were 4 exchanges where Jack didn't attempt a throw. I understand your frustration though

[@syn3rgyz]

​@@connorlau980the last one was warranted he let go of the sleeve too early and his arm touched the leg before the opponent hit the floor. It's showed many times in the replays.

[@jackfisher1921]

Satoshi Ishii also said he believed the No leg Grabbing rule was there to help keep that French guy winning. This is why Kano didn't want Judo to become an international sport. Because he knew better than most, how much politics influenced the judging. It wasn't for safety or to help keep Judo a Combat Sport, then it shouldn't be a rule.

[@kenwintin3014]

The man entered knowing how the rules can ruin you, so I thin he is just a very large two year old. As for the rules, and this is just my opinion, I think that Olympic Judo and the IJF are a sick parody of Kodokan Judo. The charge about it being all about the referees has value. Dr. Jigoro Kano's greatest fear was that competition Judo would destroy Kodokan Judo. He was correct. I find watching international level Judo extremely boring. They are so fearful of coming to grips and are "shidoed" to a loss for ever changing rules. I watch your videos because you show the actual techniques and when you show whole matches is almost always a good match.

[@hugo2fiscalrn]

Totally agreed. One of the reasons that judo does not work as a true martial art anymore, too many rules and restrictions.

[@Clyde_Ono]

List of controversial calls so far or match ending penalities: Tsunoda Babulfath - didn’t see it but apparently Babulfath got in the refs face and even grabbed the ref’s arm? Deguchi Cysique - Cysique gripped inside Deguchi’s sleeve? Deguchi Huh - I agree with the false attacks on Huh, she was flopping all match, no one wants to see a gold medal decided on that but…. Nagayama Garrigos - perhaps the biggest WTF call ever? Gaba Hashimoto - didn’t see it but apparently Gaba was just playing the game? Heydarov Gaba was a sick final though showing pure heart by Heydarov and Gaba threw down in that one Bekauri Murao - what’s your call on this one? Did Bekauri have enough control on that? Hambou Macedo - was that a gripping call? Adam’s didn’t know what happened, the ref motioned a cross arm down the hips? Don’t the fighters deserve an explanation? Was also off putting how. Mich Hambou celebrated winning like that (being in osaekomi but winning on an obscure and non-transparent technicality) Hopefully the last days are decided on legit throws!

[@matchoss]

Hambou Macedo, was an hand in sleeve when he pulled the arm of the french for an arm lock/osaekomi at the end. You can see it on replay. The fool didn't seem intentional though. And I don't like this type of rule that limits possibilities. Macedo was clearly better.

[@aharonwaldman6384]

​@matchoss yes but the judge called matte on the sankaku without the arm and called a shido on that as well, you can't just switch shidos after the match ends to excuse the bad call

[@R3d_C0n5ul]

​@@aharonwaldman6384you can double them then if there were two fouls

[@matchoss]

@@aharonwaldman6384 The fool is pretty clear on video. It's probably the referees at the table who saw it and reported it to the referee on the mat and caused this awkward matte.

[@symeonidiss__]

I think bekkauri vs murao 2nd wazari was clean tho

[@TradmanTX]

Current rules have utterly destroyed judo. Taking away yuko and koka was a huge mistake, and this insane idea of giving a shido to anyone who defends against a throw has turned Olympic judo into a farce. His comments may be extreme, but I think most serious judokas and competitors agree with the sentiment.

[@Grrrrrgfifj]

I hate how Judo became to encourage to do kake sute’s to prevent getting shido’s and actually the one pressuring the opponent to do so getting disqualified

[@Vaitamanu]

What is kake sute?

[@Haolekine888]

It effectively mean throwing to run away. Basically making a poor attack to avoid getting penalized​@@Vaitamanu

[@Vaitamanu]

@@Haolekine888 Thank you!

[@Osprey3109]

ALL the current rules need scraped and they need to go back to old Judo rules. Simple as this

[@oneofakind8049]

After watching the mixed team final he is 100% right ( except all of the curses😂)

[@Yupppi]

If you take 4 years without adjusting to your 15 disqualifications, it's on you. Everyone else has handled it. It's definitely rough to get disqualified by shidos, but none of the shidos have been out of the rulebook. I too agree that the athletes should be able to speak publicly and criticise the system, but I also think the vocabulary used was particularly hateful and unacceptable, directed towards specific people. They should've thought about their critique for a few days before publishing it (and talk to a PR person) to avoid embarrassing themself due to the personal emotion speaking over the actual message. It gives somewhat of an embarrassing vibe when you play the same game as others and blame your loss on others. This post wasn't criticism to specific rules or wrong interpretation of rules, this was just insulting and wishing bad upon the referees. This might warrant penalising due to that if they do return. Like we have some formalities when it comes to respect and behvaior on tatami, and being an athlete, judoka and part of the Olympics, you should be expected to uphold some values no matter how disappinted you are. You're an example that the whole world sees, it has to weight something. Travis Stevens I think talked about the importance of not only knowing your opponent but your referee, that you should be aware what things your referee looks at with more scrutiny. Coincidentally the guy who lost a medal by referee flags. Apparently didn't post a hate message online after. Of course you'd want the same refereeing across the board, but that's gonna be impossible. Or you wish you got the most preferential referee to your style. But you have to accept that it is your responsibility to overcome the hurdles to your medal, you can't just say "I got disqualified 15 times and it's other people's fault, my playing is perfect". Even without leg grabs we saw a lot of that hunchback judo especially in the lower weight categories, where people just try to hug the tatami standing up to prevent the opponent from getting under. And we've seen how some players have done their best to jump on their stomach no matter if offensive or defensive. They haven't even tried to throw the opponent, just tried to fish for shidos. And that isn't a great look for judo either. What I would call "spamming" throw "attempts". A couple of times they have been penalised to stop it, I think Mimi Huh was one of the examples getting that to backfire. It was extremely boring. Luckily that improves a lot in higher weight categories, Bekauri - Murao was a fantastic match for example. Like four good throws in actual match time. There was also another match on the women's side that reminded me of Travis Stevens' match. At golden score the other player got tired and just did poor sacrifice attempt that she was waiting for and jumped on pinning her for victory. It was good to see. I also think rules warrant changes and the changes are coming naturally since the olympic cycle ends. However I'm tired of people in the armchairs complaining Kodokan judo is ruined or judo is ruined or rules awful, refs bad, refs deciding the matches without any depth to the conversation, addressing the problems that required the rules to come in place or suggesting changes that would result in positive change. It's just old men yelling at clouds and having a vision of their dream without any actionable ideas.

[@marcobeccari7542]

Finally some good sense. I agree with you. I can understand the athlete’s frustration, but that doesn’t justify such a horrible post.

[@R3d_C0n5ul]

I couldnt agree more.This judoka just acts like any random guy that says "my country got stolen! Corruption!" or whatever. There are probably more judoka that did not bow to their opponent during this olympics than there are controversial refeereing decisions. They should straight up be disqualified. If affects everyone. I have 12 year old kids literraly trash talking during competition now. This is not soccer, this is judo...

[@R3d_C0n5ul]

Plus, the truth is in any sport you play the rules. If you don't, you end up like Uta Abe who lost because she kept trying till the end when she was above. If you are loosing in basketball at the end of a game, you will foul to stop the clock or you are just bad at it. If you want judo to change, be constructive. I used to fight when leg grab were authorised, I won a lot but never learnt proper uchi mata and rarely had interesting matches at amateur level, just brawl fights. Rules affect all levels and it takes time to find the right balance.

[@Teovent]

You re full of shit, madjov is right, this judo needs to change

[@savchik1580]

No. The rules are horrible. Majority of matches end in shidos, the majority of shidos are arbitrary and the current rules incentivize shit judo. Not every has “adjusted” many top level athletes loses matches all the time for random shidos. Stop simping for the IJFs dogshit rules

[@justinha9846]

Honestly my most pressing concern is your channel not getting nuked by copyright bullshit

[@johandijk]

The referee decision of Garrigos against Nagayama was obviously wrong.

[@arikarteta8035]

i think rules and refs are killing the sport honestly. passivity shidos are just dumb in so many ways, rules are so inconsistent, that athletes and coaches don´t understand it many times. look at olympic wrestling for example, for me they have a way better and more consistent system and rules. obviously, as every sport, it has bad calls etc, but rules in wrestling are way more clear and easier to understand. for gods sake even the coaches have a voice during the match (challenge) to check the video footage and debate about points. in judo refs have complete control of the situation, many shidos or throws were not reviewed because of stupid criteria of the refs. murao-bekauri situation for me is just awful, how can you say bekauri threw murao if he just flipped in the air and had absolutely no control? even murao started the action and off balanced bekauri, just because the georgian had a leg touching the japanese doesnt mean he is throwing him, its just so dumb. murao ACTUALLY threw him, people that dont know much about judo clearly dont understand, and that itself its a problem, there should be a clear winner, even if a person does not understand the rules, its a combat sport. and also, judo is about gripping, rules dont favor gripping, thats why you see many judokas do false attacks with a bad grip, because refs penalize grip fighting and give passivity shidos if you dont "attack" how they like. what is an "attack" for them? falling to the ground doing nothing? they should let athletes grip and prepare their throws, thats judo.

[@genewest7271]

IJF changes rules not for enhancing judo, but to give referees something to complain about in the matches. Horrible decisions, no longer is it judo any more but is about IJF.

[@trumplostlol3007]

Judo as a self-defense martial art has been destroyed by all the rules in national and international Judo matches. Olympics is the worst place to learn real Judo. People all focuses on scoring and there are so many "banned techniques".

[@karloboric1502]

Is that majdov?

[@Barabass]

thats my guess as well

[@alminmulic9171]

It is

[@linolium3109]

Garbekov - 81 probably

[@yabelson]

The entire French team's strategy was to win by Shidos. it was disgusting. Japanese, Georgians, Azeris, Tajiks, almost everybody strived for contact, strived to attack, to win by Ippon. that is the soul and purpose of Judo. But you could see it from the get go that the French did not play that game but a whole different one - they played for Shido. make a lot of noise *as if* they are attacking but in fact doing nothing. no Kuzushi, no control, just moving fast to give the appearance of "working". and that got the opponents to appear as if they dont attack. Well, how can you attack when the other opponent keeps doing a semi-attack (that would amount for nothing to begin with) as soon as they get 1 sleeve or the tip of the lapel? This Olympics would be considered as the one that was ruled by Shidos, and was favoured for the French and above all to content one person - Teddy Rinner.

[@rockingroli2057]

I think the coach of this guy is just crap. If you get 15 disqualifications and do not learn anything then your team is stupid as f***

[@robertbradley1705]

I can understand people's concern. Especially when some of the judoka are top world ranking and I also see the confusion on their faces when "shidos" are given out like parking tickets.

[@vinne8538]

The problem is that the shido system has been weaponized so people take advantage of forcing shidos instead of doing Judo. For example, Huh Mimi is very good at making drop attacks and forcing shido upon the opponent because they do not have the time to grip up and do their judo forcing either a bad attack or 3 shido hsk make. Tselidis being the one in question, making the grip breaking shido for the person that made the post. You can see that Tselidis again and again goes for this. Its very tactical and smart, but its not the Judo we want to see. And it is the fault of the IJF not any individual athletes. They are just smart in applying the ruleset to their advantage. Regarding the refs at this OG Do not get me started on how Murao Sanshiro got robbed in broad daylight by the refs. Or Nagayama aswell. They have targeted the Japanese judoka and others in the way of the ”protagonist” superstars. I hope that the AJJF will answer against IJF. Because they are the only hope on turning this disgraceful rules around.

[@NoPhilters]

huge difference watching ijf circuits and all japan judo with the flow of the matches.

[@InfoTrekker-m1p]

who posted the above ?

[@peteleng3075]

obviously very charged message. However would love to hear more on his or her reasoning than simply venting. More constructive criticism and open discussions from both the athletes and the community should happen.

[@giladeis7526]

Personally, I'm also dissatisfied with how the judging is generally conducted on this olympics but I think the way some of these athletes react to it is truly disgraceful and shows very bad sportsmanship

[@neilsimpson3359]

Is this Majdov? Obviously way over the top, but he has a point at the heart of it. A combat sport that peiple give their lives to, just to have their dreams taken away by pedantic referees and absolutely insane rules. We can choke people unconscious, break their arms, but the 90kg Brazilian has an Olympic medal taken away because his fingertips touched the inside of someone's jacket. Kosovan girl wins bronze after being thrown because her opponent marginally touched her pant leg. Im all for showing respect to referees, but being told not to celebrate when you have achieved your life dream, not being allowed to question anything, no matter how ridiculous...its ruining the sport. Its becoming less and less about scoring ippon and more and more about playing to the referee. Referees have far too much significance in Judo, theyre becoming central when they should be peripheral figures at best. Less and less about the people who are actually important, the athletes!

[@DrSSC243]

During these olympics a few japanese got robbed of a win or a medal and they just kept quiet. That's how it should be. The referee is the boss what can I say. When a referee fucks up in my match I just fold back. You cannot lose your composure because of a game. Oh and I love the leg grabs. We still have them in Kodokan matches but not many people use them.

[@Trulli1024]

Commented this below one of your older videos about inconsistencies in applying shidos, but I think it would fit in here as well. First things first though, I dislike the insults from that post! For me, if you truely are a judoka, you ought to do better than that! Other than that: I think the rulings for shidos might be bent very wide for some fights. Judging from after the Paris Olympics 2024 I believe there are absurd inconsistencies in the way how shidos are given. Here is what I have been chewing on from after Paris 2024 comparing the Mixed Team fights of Igor Wandtke (GER) vs. An Baul (KOR) and Abe Hifumi (JPN) vs. Joan-Benjamin Gaba (FRA). Wandtke received a third shido for passivity after a period of ~30 seconds not attacking (and he had two good attempts before this period). Thought this came from the overall attempts of attacks where Baul scored 6 good ones while Wandtke was at 3. However, comparing Abe vs. Gaba there were 12 (13) attempts from Abe and 3 (5) attempts from Gaba after 7 minutes of fighting (numbers in brackets includes attempts I wasn't sure whether they were counting or not). Neil Adams commented something about a reset for Golden Score, so I counted those 3 minutes individually and came up with 6 attempts from Abe against only 1 solid attempt from Gaba. There was an over 2 minute period where Gaba hasn't done anything while Abe tried to score 6 times on him. Still, no third shido given to Gaba. So, I can understand getting angry on rules and how they are carried out sometimes (especially with this Nagayama-Garrigos thing!) but this anger shouldn't be carried over into our critisicm. I deeply hope for this athlete to apologise for letting his anger getting ahead of him.

[@danc8218]

Finally a sensed comment. Referees gave very few shidos indeed in France vs Japan. They were not consistent with the other referees of the Olympics, but both teams were warned about it, and all referees of the finale used this refereeing style (it was applied for Gaba, but also in favor of Saito in his first match against Teddy). A questionable choice, but applied fairly I think.

[@ChungkingExpress1996]

Today's judo is less interesting than it was when I practiced it competitively 30+ years ago. So many contests decided on shidos and underwhelming golden scores. Question: Why were Uta Abe and Diyora Keldiyorova matched in the 1/8th round at the Olympics? As presumably top-ranked judokas in their category, wheren't they supposed to be more separated in the draw?

[@jelle7224]

Uta wasn't ranked because she's barely competed on the tour last few years.

[@ChungkingExpress1996]

@@jelle7224 Thank you. I didn't realize that.

[@mrburns2128]

​@@jelle7224 I think it was a bad plan by her coaches

[@Ginkung]

At 0:46 after golden score, if another country, it should be wasa-ari. At 2:48 after golden score, Gaba still not perform any attack yet but Abe done more than 4 big throw. And yeah ! If another country, they should get 3rd Shido already.

[@mateusz3162]

Most shidos (like 95 percent) was very clear to me in Paris, might consider play less passive game and psychiatrist if you think judges are 'satanistic', also reading rules might help especially if you compete

[@fredericomiranda5359]

90kg Raphael x French guy...omg..what was that !

[@furiousfellow1583]

this!, not even the commentators knew what to make up about that to avoid saying ref was stealing the match from the brazilian

[@sergeyshwab9996]

Das war französische Korruption. Nicht nur dies Duell.😢

[@aqiria]

@@furiousfellow1583 Brazilian did put the fingers inside the sleeve and it was very unfortunate, the problem is that the referee signaled wrong gesture and confused literally everyone.

[@Giaccomin]

Someone online commented that the Brazilian guy strangled him with his legs without including an arm, which is dangerous and forbidden. That's why he got a Shido, not the sleeve

[@couine8512]

​@@Giaccominboth of those gestures are shido's so IDK why people are even complaining

[@alparjuttner9095]

Hmm. During the same period he won 41 fights with hansoku make. Those were all perfectly fine decisions, of course. Only the ones against him were rigged.

[@pedja7890]

3:19 There will be repercussions, I think. He was allready suspended in 2022. for doing this.

[@JudoHighlights2015]

Oh really

[@pedja7890]

@@JudoHighlights2015 Not sure if it was an instagram post (and there is one after every DQ), or compaining on the mat, but yes. IMO he is the one that tries to win by shidos, but always complaining when someone beats him at his game. What he did here is not fair to the rest of the athletes.

[@jsw060943]

I agree that judokas should be allowed to express their opinions. However I believe that the new emphasis on shidos is ruining the sport. Competitors have to focus their attention on not getting a shido instead of throwing their opponent. The referees’ role in a match is exaggerated. Judo has changed so much in my lifetime. Grip fighting, shidos, diminished standards for ippon and wazari. I may be old school, but I ask, where’s the fun?

[@Jurgir09]

Leg grabs should B allowed 100%.

[@georgemdonnelly]

I think the rules have the opposite effect going on. Maybe the players are playing too safe in Olympics? But it seems like they are playing shido instead of judo. Are there any stats like throw attempts, turn throw attempts, and shidos across every game since 2022?

[@MatthewNguyen-zx3de]

Of course they are playing it super safe. Its the Olympics. A medal can be life changing for these guys.

[@wargames2195]

After the 100kg fight, fuck Judo this 'lympics.

[@noobmaster8864]

the rules are balanced but some just dont make sense especially those like head diving, breaking grip, holding belt or holding same side theyre too specific and i dont think theres no reason for stuff like these

[@MatthewNguyen-zx3de]

Head Diving is kinda dangerous, and if we want martial flavour in our sport, you'd think slamming your own face into the ground is a bad idea. I've seen BJJ guys mock us for it. Breaking the grip without re-engaging is eh... but it makes sense from entertainment. Otherwise you get too much stalling about. A lot of these rules basically exist for entertainment, which is ironic when they're being played on.

[@lprisk2013]

They have been handing out shiros like candy the last few days.

[@johnothebiker]

Sounds right to me.

[@alyrefay]

Man, you complained about the rules yourself. Most recent modifications are rubbish. and Tasoev vs Reiner in the final of th world championships was a clear as the sky win for Russian. But they decided not to give it to him because of their double standards and their very clear favourism towards France. the IJF even appoligised for the mistake. But unlike all respectful federations, they decided to keep the title and the medal with Riner instead of withdrawing them and giving them to the true winner.

[@mladensosic]

The rules and the referees are in sport to secure a fair competition, not to determine the winner. Every sportsman has right to feel being outplayed and losing against the better one. If the competition is ending without winner feels winning and without looser feels loosing - there is something wrong with this rules (and/or referees). In particular in judo. If the opponent feels sorry for winning that way, and the World and European Champion is send home from Olympics after 2+ minutes - it must be something utterly wrong with this constellation. This obviously doesn’t excuse the rude and inappropriate language - but this language clearly indicates the level of frustration and the feeling of a greater injustice!

[@fiderdvis4714]

Judo Highlight I have talked to people in the IJF who was at the forfront of the rule change of leg grab and reason for it. Again it is not a marketing thing it was pressure from the IOC. Particulary to keep the "double edged sword" of the Olympic Dream alive. I AM NOT GOING TO SAY NAMES BUT IT IS A VERY HIGH OFFICIAL IN THE IJF. He said the Olympic said there was two sports that looked the same Wrestling and Judo. Both has that squatted bent over position or crouched position and the IOC did not wanted to have that. So the Olympic said "or you gonna change the rules make changes do what ever you need to do to change the optics especially for TV or get cut out of the Olympics". This is the main reason for the leg grab because without leg grabbing, the crouching position of wrestlers will be avoided. Hence the rule change. But at this point the rules are not letting the better judoka win but the decision is coming from referees almost on the otherside in all sport you need to know the rules to win you cannot perform a proper tactical game if you don't know the rules.

[@JudoHighlights2015]

Yeah exactly. optics = marketing.

[@fiderdvis4714]

@JudoHighlights2015 ok I understand now what you mean. But it was mainly pressure from the IOC or change the rules to fit in our product or being kicked out. For me it is the question at what point are you willing to change the rules to change the sport and at what point you say Olympics product is not what I want for my sport. In my point we are reaching that point that the Olympic product is just poop now and maybe it is time that we start a different product to be the top judo competition to qualify for. I don't know if you know but about 10 to 12 years ago the IJF President wanted to do that already and start a different "Olympic type Games". But IOC politics canceled it (sport politics is brutal).

[@guitarazn90210]

This is why kendo will never be an olympic sport. I had a feeling it was the IOC all along. Why is the IJF so keen on the olympics??? I wish they would view Judo as less of a product and more of an art.

[@aqiria]

Sometimes you get a sense that the 3rd penalty comes for such a minor thing that it's really unfortunate, but you have to remember there were 2 more before that you should have be more careful about. But also, if this is who I think it is, sorry but his style is so heavily relied on the shido game that he's complaining about right now, so I don't quite get it.

[@mjkcneely]

Modern rules are making judo look terrible, particularly to lay spectators. They can’t figure out what is going on with players dropping to the mat into turtle position and winning due to arcane referee calls/penalties.

[@dudown_1631]

Semi Final -57 Silva 🇧🇷 Vs Huh 🇰🇷 Silva had Mimi Huh in an Osaekomi, but the referee didn't give Osaekomi's score, Huh also made fake attacks the entire fight, practically throwing himself on his belly with a fake seoi nage Lately, the main strategy of some judokas is to win by Shidō

[@dudown_1631]

Nagayama 🇯🇵 Vs Garrigos 🇪🇸 was one of the craziest outcomes, Garrigos didn't stop choking even after the mate command and won by Ippon

[@barba5209]

i'm glad somebody is standing up... rubbish referees

[@kosmosgii2535]

Refereeing was inconsistent and average for such a high level competition. As for leg grabs - I have written to the powers that be multiple times - allow leg techniques but with no score - as a potential transition into ground work. That way everyone will improve thier ground work and also not rely on only leg techniques to win since it is not a scoring technique.

[@urosmacar2921]

Reasonable message considering that they robbed him

[@luisamaro100]

Scoring can be difficult where a competitor is not executing, and simply holding back waiting either for the perfect time or simply hoping the opponent makes a mistake, so there has to be some kind of incentive to attack. Judo has changed a lot over the years, there were only two scores back before the 1970s, Ipon, and Wazari. Then in the mid to late 70s they added scoring granularity, Yuko and Koka were added, but themselves did not add to a Wazari. Of course the penalties have changed as well, now it’s back to Ipon and Wazari score only, but I have seen Wazari scores awarded for things that in the old way of scoring would not have been counted as such. Today 3 Shidos and you’re out, which in some ways is not good, I think these should count as additive against the competitors for a decision at the end of the time and do not proceed to golden score. But at this level of competition to get disqualified that way should not be happening. Food for thought

[@BorisGligorijevic]

This is croatian or bosnian language. Serbian does not contain "ij". I do not know which Judoka it is, though.

[@NanashiCAST]

Olympic referees being biased and unfair as always. I mean, on top of the consistent drop of quality of their referees. These guys are inexperienced and have way too much power and ego.

[@jontibertsch]

Nagayama getting choked out after a matte call...referee should have disqualified the Spanish judoka. The current rules allowing for "flop judo" where one competitor repeatedly jumps into a throw without any hope of it actually working to force a shido against their opponent is ridiculous (see Huh against Deguchi as a great example). They are inconsistent with calling false attacks and appear to give some people several chances before calling it. There are some referees who allow ne-waza to proceed and others who stop it quickly - in some ways that's an issue for groundwork experts. Other than those I don't think most of the referees where making bad calls, if anything they were quite lenient during Golden Score periods with trying not to determine the outcome of the matches by awarding penalties

[@Bulju]

On one hand, these Olympics have been dreadful for Judo. 90% of athletes aren't fighting to win, they just want to bait shidos or survive until golden score. Something needs to change with the rules to encourage more action during regulation time. And the refs have also been awful. Too worried about not getting wrinkles on their suits instead of good officiating. On the other hand, if you admit to getting DQ'd 15 times in 4 years...that's on you, brother. You're clearly doing something very wrong and throwing a tantrum instead of working to address it.

[@evelinapescitelli2412]

aside from the "Satanist" stuff the person wrote, there is something to be said about letting the athletes actually fight as opposed to the refs being so in control of the matches. Throws that are awarded wazaris were yukos before, wazaris are no ippons... nobody wants to stay and fight newaza... this is not the judo I fell in love with. Losing or winning by a penalty is highly unsatisfying for the views and probably the judokas. Its sad to me. I miss dynamic judo with big throws, athletes that aren't afraid to take chances due to penalties. Honestly, I think the IJF needs to reevaluate the rules they have changed.

[@Kikakankerzooi]

Is it majdov?

[@Iejeusbwusnwueb]

yes

[@cs_yt]

It feels that there are a lot of results on technicities of calls. So, if you go by the rules, they are mostly if not all correct. This takes from what we like to see on the sport and worse, push the participants to play the rules in their favor, taking even more from the show. Like the Brazilian on the 90kg, yes he was penalized correctly, but it was when he was attacking, which is what we want to watch. It is a downer, I would like to see the rest of that fight. If you are curious, this is Croatian.

[@SongofRholand]

The rules are poor.

[@dragomirmarinkovic2801]

Ne podrzavam recnik kojim se Nemanja obratio. Ali je pogodio sustinu. Sudije su ljudi koji kao prvo ne osecaju judo. Ne kazem da moraju biti vrhinski borci ali moraju imati osecaj kontinuiteta borbe. Drugo pravila se toliko cesto menjaju da sam siguran da i sudije vise bas nisu sigurne sta je waza-ari a sta ippon. Meni su bila ekstra pravila kada sam ja pocinjao. Koka, yuko.... Opomena, shido, chui.... Pa ti decko ako si borac stigni yuko ili koku. Kazu uvode nova pravila zbog dinamike. Pa koja je dinamika kad zlatni bod traje i po 10min i opet se sve kaznama zavrsi. Sudije takodje nemaju ujednacen kriterijum. Sto je jednom ippon drugom nije nista. Treba sudije vratiti na tatami. Pa da tu nezavisno odlucuju a ne da sede gde ih niko ne vidi i da se domundjavaju u mraku. Moram i da kazem jos da verujem da ce sudije sve uciniti kako bi Riner zavrsio karieru kao olimpiski pobednik. To mi se cini na osnovu svih takmicenje u pred olimpiskom ciklusu. Judo sto pre treba da se vrati izvornim vrednostima i pravilima. Ovo je misljenje jednog veterana ss 4.danom.

[@ferransuayVAL]

But the language is Slovenian. Why should Nemanja use Slovenian?

[@Alfred171992]

Judo rules have been too subjective, giving referees too much power over match outcomes. If athletes aren't offensive enough in the first minute, they both get a Shido, and one might get another Shido subjectively, leading to a third Shido and match loss. This subjectivity is unfair, especially for athletes who prepare for years. Rules need to change to let athletes showcase their skills. Once someone has two Shidos, their opponent can manipulate the situation to get the third Shido. Judo should be about who can produce the best throw or submission, not about the referee's perception of who is more offensive. It's frustrating that referees have so much power. For high-level athletes, it's too much investment and becomes too risky to pursue these big events. They travel for years and across continents to accumulate points, only to get disqualified based on a referee's perception.

[@yogevtmax4816]

i think we can all agree that no1 love to watch shido battle.. we much rather have matches thay will end in with score... i dont know how you do it since shido can be good sometimes when fighters do nothing and dont attack.. but seeing a olympic gold medal being won by shido is lame... and the other rules i just dont find good is the pause thingy or the change of direction uhh idk i just hope they will make judo more entertaining to watch

[@mfp5585]

The comment was definitely vulgar, not nice and written in anger, but I do agree athletes should be free to speak their minds. With regards to the leg grab rule, I believe the IOC pressured the IJF that judo was too similar to wrestling and that if nothing changed, judo would have to leave the olympics. The IJF bent as we know. But I wouldn't mind seeing them come back, as long as it doesn't trigger all judoka to be super defensive and we see no more big ippons (which I don't think will happen, we already have a penalty system for that).

[@eberhardkieslich2538]

I think the match time of four minutes is too short and to receiving penalties because the other guy has attacked with some marginal stuff is not right. If there is marginal kuzushi and a turn in that could never work it is counted as a valid attack. If the other guy does three of those, I get a penalty. If this happens three times, game over. That just doesn’t sit right with me. We need to give the athletes more time to study the opponent, achieve a good grip and finally place a quality attack. I would reserve penalties for those situations where the person truly could attack, but doesn’t, or maintains a defensive posture (jigotai) too long. Also, I wouldn’t award ippon if there isn’t sufficient impact and speed. For ippon the throw has to be perfect. Speed, impacts, largely on the back would be good criteria. Just my opinion, nothing else. As for leg grabs, I think we have to be careful how we reintroduce them. Clearly, we want to see judo, not leg grabs and that’s it. Maybe, a solution would be to allow leg grabs in regional events, but not in nationals nor in the Olympics. That way everyone has had significant exposure, but it couldn’t be anyone’s Tokui waza at a high level competition.

[@kaeedou722]

As frustrating as it is to ruin four years and lose for hansoku make, the tone of the complaint is completely out of place. The referees simply apply the rules, they can certainly make mistakes but I have not seen any decisions that cannot be included in the rules. The problem is more than anything else the rules, not the referees. After these Olympics there should be a reflection on this topic. There are almost more matches for hansoku make than for ippon, in almost all the fights there are shidos, the controversies that follow abound. Is this the show they want to give? Are the IJF happy? Is it possible that no one at the IJF sees that the rules need a profound revision? Why do they persist in the principle of punishing instead of rewarding? For example: if I make an attack without finishing it but still a good attack, I get nothing but if I make a mistake I get shido for a false attack; activity in ne waza is not seen as non-passivity: yesterday a judoka worked hard to get to a shime waza and almost managed to conclude it, but after the mate she was given shido for passivity because the attack that led to the ground had been executed by the other. When a false attack is executed you end up in a disadvantageous position but almost no one takes advantage of it, why should you waste energy to do it when you can legitimately expect your opponent to be punished with shido? Why should I not play the shido game if the rules allow it when I meet someone supposedly stronger than me instead of looking for a way to beat him technically, risking making a small mistake that can cost you dearly? There are dozens of cases in which you get shido, too many, it is necessary to simplify somehow. While I was following the Olympics, the TV commentator, who didn't understand anything about Judo, at one point got passionate about a very hard-fought 57 kg match. He said "It's a very fun match, please don't give yellow cards and let them fight". Result: hansoku make! If even a layman understands that something isn't working, what do you expect to do something? I think that the regulation format that is used in some competitions in Japan is already a good starting point to rebalance things with the use of hantei, so that if I make good attacks I know that they will be taken into account, and the use of yuko so that a small mistake corresponds to a small advantage and the possibility of recovering it.

[@linolium3109]

It is soo abvious that is garbekov 😂😂 good judo but do not follow rules

[@JD-ww2ri]

The ijf rules destroy de real judo.For ex. they invented the "ijf ippon" (rolling the guy on the tatami)

[@sushinfudoshin8991]

if you are a judo player on the IJF circuit and got 15 disqualifications in the last 4 years, you have an attitude problem. The choice of the language used shows you are either not coachable or you have problems abiding to rules. There is no work of life where rules do not apply. Better start to learn quickly.

[@Tasjudoka]

15 dq and still hasn’t learned. On ya bike mate

[@tomphamtiendung5155]

It's Nemaja Majdov

[@Harimau_meow]

I'm sorry you can complain about the rules but if you are disqualified 15 times and don't learn your lesson you can't blame the refs for following those rules you couldn't learn.

[@uvw456-s]

Я давно говорил, что новые правила сделали из дзюдо икебану😀

[@fatbap]

Refereeing in Judo has been abysmal for a while now, but the standard at this Olympics has reached a new low. I honestly think you would see a better job done by picking some of the spectators randomly from the crowd and having them referee instead.

[@MrDididevi]

yes, referees were awful in some cases

[@rickfinsta2951]

Yeah Jack Yonezuka for sure got robbed first round - clearly the more aggressive player yet got Shido'd out. I saw a couple other matches where I thought the same. IJF needs to stop this nonsense where they "clarify" rules as they go which is really reinterpreting/changing them. Rule changes are supposed to be at the start of an new olympiad not every few weeks or worse yet during the morning referee meeting the day of a tournament. New rule needs to be you can't lose in a major tournament (or at least past a certain point in the bracket) by shido. Golden score until someone beats the other person with their Judo. This will disincentivize the stalling tactics, too. I thought the whole point of getting rid of decision was to take the result out of the refs' hands, but now we've traded three refs judging for one. And yeah I'm old bring back leg grabs so I can teach these kids in the dojo what happens when they float that front leg in my territory without controlling grips.

[@しらこ-465]

I love practicing Judo, but the current rules and how they are enforced leads to a lot of really bad matches that aren't fun to watch from a spectator sport perspective, and are not a good display of the martial art. If someone's only exposure to Judo is the olympics, it's not going to inspire them to want to watch more. There are great Judoka like Murao, Bekauri, Macedo, etc showing the heights of the discipline in a competitive setting, but then you have the cowardly play, the out-of-control play, and the lack of respect and humility from so many of the representatives. The undisciplined playstyle and lack of sportsmanship and respect for the art from players like Hambou are a shameful display.

[@Official-OpenAI]

Real Judo only exists in Japan.

[@Gechilinho]

Not in Georgia? they have incredible techniques and are not like other people. wrestling for shidos.

[@Official-OpenAI]

@@Gechilinho Georgian judokas are amazing, but that's because they learned the practice in Japan or from a Japanese Judoka, and brought it back.

[@Harimau_meow]

@@Official-OpenAI no it's because Judo is very similar to their native folk wrestling. Disingenuous indeed.

[@Official-OpenAI]

@@Harimau_meow Chidaova is not Judo.

[@Harimau_meow]

@@Official-OpenAI can you Read? I never said it was judo. I'm arguing that Georgians are not good at judo because Japanese thought them judo im saying judo is similar to their own folk wrestling and that's why they are good at judo. The skills they developed in their own folk wrestling translate well I to judo.

[@kananisha]

No the rules are really that bad and have been a long time. Judo is supposed to be an expression, not a rule set tailored to a specific group.

[@wargames2195]

Judo this year is so bad, refs and DQ shido everywhere, it's terrible.

[@Painttrenchcrusade]

this olympics is so full of corruption

[@7Alberto7]

Bring back legs grab for sure! Please!

[@MatthewNguyen-zx3de]

You worsen the quality of the matches with that. If you hate all the bad drop attacks and sacrifice throws, then you aren't ready for leg grab koka judo.

[@alessiomarrazza1293]

Nah refrees have been shit, against italy they didnt call wazaharis and gave out random shidos

[@wargames2195]

Anyone who watch the team match today and doesn't say this sport is heavily rigged is a liar, look at the KOR vs UBZ Repecharge, Au Beun vs that Uzbek dude, went on for 8 mins and the Uzbek literally has to forfeit despite doing more throws. Same shit for Teddy Riner vs the smaller italian dude in the FRA vs ITA semi-final, Teddy should be DQ for passivity, he's a fraud.

[@danc8218]

The Italian guy launched false seoi nage everytime Teddy got his hands on him. How can anyone do anything in this situation. I'm glad he got shidoed for this.

[@СергейМилованов-л4щ]

До чого коментар дотзоасім іншого відео , відео тренування jr. ?

[@Barabass]

well i think that the organizong commitee politicized the events, which is a shame. is that the french style to make everything political? i think that triggered the player to cross it - if then opening ceremony would be more tasteful any reserved the sport would benefit. the had it on barks because they feared of accidents from nonchristians groups. but they wouldn't be themselfes to not put in the ol'christianprovocation, which is, in the mind of the french, an manifastation of freedom of speech and neutrality? but is it? taking it out on a minority (i think real christians are a minority in france) which you know would turn the other cheek is actually showing, where the real tabous are. and i'm sure there are some: who commited some of the previous t acts in an opera during a sport event? which countries are in a conflict and which not? why are only certain athletes not allowed to compete and others are? i think that answering some of the questions might show where the limits of free speach are. to comeback to N.M. even if he consideres the referees to be satanic, he shouldnt call them names but pray for their conversion and manly take their decision, even if unfair. that would be christian behavior.

[@johnlopez9014]

Sounds middle eastern or Central Asia😂

[@maxlan5538]

That Olympic judo is terrible, crazy referee designs

[@wargames2195]

Oh my god the blatant robbery of the final match, Gabba was given the two shido BEFORE golden score was initiated, then he goes on stay on the ground for 8 minutes with no shido given for passivity. Japan won, fuck this rigged shit as shit game. So-called champion abegulou or whatever even attacks Takaichi when Matte is called and off-match. It's just pure travesty.

[@ericcraig3875]

I'm a 3rd degree black belt in judo. So glad I am retired. They have destroyed the sport. It is dying around the World. They want it to be exclusive, less dynamic, and less practical. It is so sad.

[@barba5209]

bobonov

[@reidoxudo]

LASCAU OUT

[@erenyeagar5904]

Ijf are ruining judo

[@PF-vn4qz]

yes! bring back leg grabs