Juggling Table Saws

In the middle of the shop, I have three table saws that are connected into one large table. Two of the saws are a Powermatic 72 and a Powermatic 66. These two saws I use all the time. They face each other; each is the outfeed table for the other saw. Next to these two saws, I have an Oliver 88 which I haven't used as much. In this project, I fixed the wobbly arbor on the Oliver 88, so the blade now runs straight and true. I also moved the Oliver 88 to become the side table for the Powermatic 66. This allowed me to use the fence from the 66 on both the 66 and the Oliver 88 giving the Oliver a fence and making the saw much more useful. I also adjusted the Powermatic 72 slightly so it is slightly further away from the Powermatic 66. I adjusted the fence on the 72 so I have more space to the left of the blade which I found to be more useful. Also, the emergency stop button on the 72 is a little more accessible. The entire setup got slightly narrower and a little bit longer, but I'm finding it very useful.
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0:00 (introduction)
1:20 (fixing)
4:17 (moving 88-D)
9:40 (moving 66)
14:18 (moving 72)
18:28 (all together)
22:10 (conclusion)

[@SuperBill68]

You do have to spend some time setting the saw up... blade, fence, etc. But once done, the saw is great. Fairly compact which is Nice kzbin.infoUgkxXh-4_3-ZT1fFWP91ZV7iVqzElr0lEb-a I did get an Incra Miter Gauge which takes some setup as well. The stock miter gauge can be adjusted in the miter slot with a little painter's tape... this tightens up the side to side play a lot.

[@MrQuickLine]

I love that Frank just says "Matthias" and we all know who he's talking about.

[@filmer197]

is that that dude in canada with ugly baby? i think i watched him years ago.if it's the one...

[@seanedwards5324]

Totally agree. I instantly remembered the video 😂

[@SlabGuy]

The OG KZbin woodworkers.

[@RoubinCreations]

​@@filmer197 ugly baby?

[@clarencek3658]

Who is he talking about ?

[@williamkerr3350]

You're so sensible and methodical Frank ,a pleasure to watch .

[@bwillan]

There aren't many cabinet shops that have 4 table saws, let alone home woodshops. That is quite the setup you have there. Many options for dedicated setups.

[@lemagreengreen]

I have always liked Frank's giant table of table saws in the center of the workshop, looks awesome and must be nice to have so many options :)

[@scotter_dotter]

Three table saws. Two Franks. Two videos in one. I think that equals a great woodworker/KZbinr!❤

[@user-oo8gx2lo4d]

We are tiny, reflects the heart every vision and each piece is unwilling.

[@dansvec5411]

I came across that exact saw when I ran a shop in Kansas City back in the 80's. It was complete, fence, two miter gauges with the bracket that tied them together, the extension table, and even the manual. Built like a milling machine. Oliver was still in business in Grand Rapids at the time. I got the spec sheets from them. It could handle an 18" blade and a 4" wide dado head! I shudder to even think about that. Good to see another one!

[@Hvn1957]

I think that Oliver is nearly the size of the Tannewitz we have. I suspect it’s a little newer, but just as robust. Love the video, and all your maneuverings with the crane!

[@fredzyda]

I look forward to the day when you finally complete the setup by getting a fourth table saw and replacing the last remaining plywood extension table!

[@harryworkshop4001]

Hey Frank, I enjoy your videos and thought I would drop you a note regarding table saws and on/off switches. On my table saw I installed a push button switch (momentary) that was easy to find on the front of the saw that pulled in a relay to actually start the saw. A second contact on the relay held it energized. To stop the saw I put a kick plate just above the floor that was attached to the front of the saw. A normally closed switch was attached behind the kick plate, so that when the kick plate was kicked, the switch opened and dropped out the motor relay. No need to try to find the on/off switch, just kick the kick plate. I kept the regular start/stop push button for a safety shut off when the saw was not in use. Just a thought, again, always enjoy your videos.

[@frankmakes]

Yes, I was thinking of making a wood piece to go over the switch with a hole in it. I could push the on button through the hole and I can hit a entire wood piece with my knee or foot to turn it off.

[@johnthompson6656]

I have to always remember to put on a bib to catch my drool when I see Franks workshop !!

[@43painter]

Well done! During the whole video I was thinking: "What a strange name for a tablesaw : Paramedic. But at the end I could read the correct name Powermatic. ;-) I find it always such a relief watching your videos! Like John Cleese used to say : "And Now Something Totally Different! ". Thank you for sharing.

[@kentrichardson9070]

With the advent of the Saw Stop table saw ,paramedic might be a great name.😊

[@ericpohlman5131]

This was so fun to watch. Knowing the previous system pretty well from your videos, it was enjoyable to see how the new arrangement fit together. Or how you made it fit together. Just awesome.

[@1974HondaCB350F]

I believe the grinding stone strategy works best when you: 1) make contact between the stone and the arbor flange, and then 2) raise and lower the arbor flange with the handwheel. This ensures that you aren't just grinding in the rough profile of your stone into your flange. The raising and lowering of the flange is what makes that interface nice and flat. But glad you got something to work out anyways!

[@dwp1970]

A scene shop I used to work at had an Oliver 270 from the mid 60's and what a pleasure it was to use. The cast base just soaked up vibrations.

[@NRCarrillo]

Beautiful works of art, as always

[@76844]

The disappearing 1/8" had me dying.

[@ahodamahingan1698]

Yeah, very relatable for me.

[@robthewaywardwoodworker9956]

Best shop on KZbin.

[@williamchapman2607]

I have a 1955 DeWalt that looks very much like yours. Had the motor apart for cleaning. Takes forever to slow down after cutting power - adding a circuit to help with that. Good video - thanks for posting.

[@sluchajdamian]

You can make something like levers or biger red and black buttons to switch off and on Oliver table saw. Now this don't looks safe. Great workshop and video.

[@dacokc]

Always loved the quality of your videos.

[@RACOONBACON]

You did a fine job with that arbor. 👍

[@richardcary978]

Very informative video of your project. Such an impressive shop and yet you always seem to find something that makes it even better.

[@manciniak]

I’m glad I’m not the only one playing games with disappearing/reappearing 1/8” height differences on heavy equipment

[@andrewgalbreath2101]

Your shop is so lovely. It makes all your videos so pleasant to watch

[@warpo007]

as always, thanks for taking us on your journey, Frank(s)!

[@sgsax]

That Oliver saw is a beast. It absolutely dwarfs the Powermatic 66. Nice compact setup with the three saws now. Thanks for sharing!

[@TheInquit]

Best wishes from Poland,👋

[@mlsargent51]

"Don't have to be perfect" famous words coming from a man who's eye for detail is fantastic! :)

[@frankmakes]

The trick is knowing where to put the imperfection.

[@agungwijaya7066]

Thanks you for your teaching videos!

[@charlesmanuel1878]

Excellent travail ! bravo !

[@MCsCreations]

Pretty nice work, Frank! The shop is looking much better now! 😊 Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

[@harlanbarnhart4656]

Dedicated rip and cross cut saws, what a luxury.

[@davidepperson2376]

Outstanding sir, outstanding!

[@kenc2257]

Neat project. Your new setup is definitely improved.

[@silent-science]

I just love how you can see the editing getting better and better every video. Keep at it, Frank! Much love

[@jlinkhart]

What a great setup. Nice work as always Frank.

[@HannahRoot55]

LinkHart 👋

[@karlchristoffer1275]

So nice to see the two Franks work peacefully together, maybee third Frank behind camera today...?! Very nice job, Franks..! 🤗

[@AlanW]

I love these videos with both Frank and Hank Howarth!

[@HannahRoot55]

Hi Alan 👋

[@shubus]

Oh, wow! The project screen is back! And TWO Franks! I love these vids. So much fun to watch.

[@mitzibud6908]

Another awesome video!! Thank you!!

[@kennethdrovdal1082]

Three integrated table saws, novel. I really enjoyed seeing the old Dewalt cut-off saw. It's been around a long time and was the workhouse in our shop back in the late 50's-60's. Yep---I'm an 'ol-timer

[@MichaelNatrin]

Great video!

[@jimsjacob]

In some ways, I’m glad to see that I came up with the same solution a few years ago with the arbor. I chucked up a grinding stone in my router and it helped take out the high spots (dents and impacts) fairly well. But I didn’t come up with such a thorough jig that you made. My Powermatic is also from the 60’s and it’s seen a bit of work. For me, the real fix turned out to be the coulet under the nut securing the blade to the arbor. It was smaller diameter than the one that I’d machined with the grinding wheel and in effect, it was bowing the blade when tightened down. Once I’d had a part machined that matched the arbor, the blade was straight and true. Love your videos because I enjoy seeing how a real pro engineers things.

[@odiesclips7621]

I was thinking of watching a murder mystery on tv, but I couldn't tear myself away from this with all the special effects. 😮

[@rickfazzini22]

Must be a huge help having yourself around the shop, I knew it was just a matter of time before Frank figured out how to clone himself.

[@williamellis8993]

Worked out great, Frank. Getting the best shop layout is one of the hardest things and never ending. Bill

[@vadimdubitskiy9854]

Good job!

[@richpeggyfranks490]

I thoroughly enjoyed watching your thought-process and ingenuity. I have used the "raise one side of the saw (jointer, planer, etc.)" and attempt to kick a pad under the base, hoping for the best. One day when it wasn't working out too well, after a 3rd cup of coffee, I turned 2 parallel clamps heads around to make parallel spreaders. With a 1300 pound clamping spec, I figured they should be strong enough to lift one side of the saw. It worked great. With 2 "spreaders", one near each corner, they easily lifted the saw. Also, it was easy to fine tune the height. Good luck, stay safe. Thx.

[@cadcaetutorial2039]

So nice sir

[@billqqq]

Great to have a helper sometimes!

[@barberspaddockwoodworking]

This reminded me of Dwight from the Office making his megadesk. 'Getting more megasaw'.

[@rickcimino743]

facinating!

[@propertystuff7221]

Wow can I SO relate. 1/8" too low. Oops now 1/8" too high somehow. Aaand 1/8" too low again. AAAAA!

[@eddiemoreno2922]

Amazing!

[@cadcaetutorial2039]

This tuto is very well sir

[@dangoras9152]

Looks good brother..

[@glencrandall7051]

I'm having trouble setting up one cabinet saw in my shop. I cannot imagine trying to set up three.🙂🙂

[@kentrichardson9070]

I like your angle cutting mitre box for the sawsall trick. We tune in because you’re a leader not a follower. Cheers

[@peterharkness3547]

All this work. Must be a big project coming up. Hopefully !!!!

[@Brimannn1]

Love your editing skills

[@uniqko]

You are so amazing

[@richardlevesque1632]

Belle ingéniosité bravo 😊

[@TR-rz1xt]

It's very satisfying to reorganise to better suit needs! Great video too, enjoyed it hugely thank you... your twin's looking well ;)

[@frankmakes]

Thank you! 😊

[@theodoranorton4779]

I was expecting to hear that you checked the planer and found the cut depth needed recalibration after the recent head change, but how banal! Glad to see a nice solid old machine back in active service.

[@bigredc222]

Very cool.

[@Nashvillain10SE]

Just yesterday, I checked to see if Frank posted a new video in case I missed a notification. 😀👍

[@marcohelm2265]

Hi Frank herzlichen Glückwunsch zu deiner neuen säge. Ich glaube es ist an der Zeit das du dir eine neue Werkstatt bauen solltest, ehrlich" deine Werkstatt ist zu klein" seit 8 Jahren verfolge ich deinen Kanal, du bist der beste. Liebe Grüße aus Deutschland

[@mcarter3320]

Love the video’s. I could not remember if that was a saw you made a video picking it up years ago. Gives me something to watch while recovering from spine fusion

[@frankmakes]

I don't think I've ever made a video about that saw. I made one about picking up my planer.

[@michaelsmith-ec7ul]

great video , you probably already know bends ,elbows and flex pipe put a drag on the dust collection system, in other words a loss of suction .I notice behind the table saws in the end of the video. I have an Oneida system very good.

[@diytechspirit914]

This guy reminds me on a sloth in every way. The way he talks, moves like everything.I mean no dissrespect to him he is an excelent creator that is why i watch his videos but everytime i see his video the sloth comes on my mind.

[@SuperGrover]

If you raise whatever your lifting above the legs of the crane or engine hoist or whatever, you can the place some beams across the legs and lower the item onto the beams. That way your crane becomes a trolley, the item can't drop and doesn't swing around as you're moving. Once you get close, lift, take the beams out and off you go. Much easier and safer that way...

[@frankmakes]

I hadn't thought about that. Basically making the crane into a cart. I like it

[@SuperGrover]

@@frankmakes otherwise you're just swinging a pendulum. That hasn't been a thing since the Renaissance 😄

[@tjacksonwoodworker3726]

3 Legendary saws. I recently was able to add a 1983 Unisaw into the shop as a complement to my SawStop. I have actually being using the Unisaw more frequently. Go figure.

[@frankmakes]

Yeah I know how that goes. I got the 66 new and it was nice. Then a few years later I got the old used 72 and I find I use that more than the 66.

[@bronzekid1]

Definitely need an in depth video about the Rip-it

[@MadHatter764]

You now need remote controlled blast gates so the dust collection is directed as needed. I saw manual blast gates but those must be quite a pain to reach.

[@LariFariYoutube]

Hi, Frank.. I always seeing you fighting with your radial arm saw... Here is one suggestion. Make the pully from the counterweight rope bigger.. The bigger, the better. This is a lesson which i learned on my Homemade panel saw build. Greets from Germany.

[@idontthinkso666]

He's not struggling, at least, not in the way you think. And he has the counterweight you describe. I recall Frank commenting in another video that he didn't bother with installing negative-rake blades on his radial arm saws (look it up). Without that, and by using a saw blade built for a conventional table saw (positive rake) you are fighting the radial arm saw's natural inclination to grab and accelerate through the wood--very unsafe. Essentially, the difference between have the saw above the workpiece (radial arm saw) and below the workpiece (table saw). So Frank compensates by pushing the saw as it pulls through the cut, resulting in that awkward cutting behavior. I had to do the same thing until I switched to negative-rake blades on my radial arm saw. They are expensive and can't be used on a table saw, so many radial arm saw owners don't bother.

[@JohnBare747]

I never get tired of that squeaky clamp mozying across the screen in the outro I dearly hope it does not have a run-in with some WD-40 and loose it's squeeky charm.

[@BLenz-114]

Ahh the joys of working alone. 😂😂 These little things that would take one fifth the time with one other person.

[@ytdeagle]

To grind my arbor flange I did the same thing except I used a lollipop type ball stone in the router. With the router and saw running and arbor perpendicual with the table top crank the blade down just bellow the flange and bump the router over to just barely touch the stone to the grinder. Now with both router and saw running slowly crank the blade arbor up and down then bump the router over just a little bit at time and keep cranking the arbor up and down until there are no more sparks. After several passes the arbor will run true. Note: make sure the arbor bearings are good before doing this or results will be bad.

[@ericpohlman5131]

Is the Arbor the Plainer?

[@idontthinkso666]

@@ericpohlman5131 The Arbor works with the Plainer to defeat the Jointer in the battle with the Lathe Master, unless the Plainer uses Magic to fool him into ...

[@LaxMan2k]

Frank, its ok to say it. We all know this move was to be able to play with the new fancy electronic fence xD

[@josephbert1]

Frank, you should do audio books. Your voice is the butter on the biscuit. Good stuff.

[@frankmakes]

Wow, thanks!

[@kwaaaa]

11:05 From personal experience, I like to call that Schrodinger's tape measure. Whether the piece was cut to the correct or incorrect length is only determined after I've cut it.

[@idontthinkso666]

When I was in the Navy working with millwrights, they only shimmed with metal. It was non-compressible and performed better than wood or plastic or other softer materials.

[@markdesolate]

Three table saws is every woodworkers dream. Great video,fun to watch (as usual). Thank you Frank!

[@bucyrus5000]

Frank, maybe some modifications can be made to your 'crane'. Would make a good video. If you make a swing arm for the hoist so you can manipulate loads inside it support footprint, you'll get more utility out of it.

[@dpmeyer4867]

thanks

[@daviddemoise3526]

Nice work! You should look into a Burke bar, you’d be able to walk that saw right over with one and then easily change out your shims without hurting yourself.

[@idontthinkso666]

That would be handy, but $200+ ain't cheap. But you'd likely find plenty of uses for it.

[@timparsons3565]

Duuuuuuude, your masking and compositing game just took a big leap forward. with that intro. I'm an editor and VFX artist, and I think it looked great!

[@davidpeterson5186]

My first table saw required me to set the rip fence using a tape measure. After owning my Powermatic with an accurate ruler built into the fence I still feel like it is automatic. Not seeing the need to go electronic on the fence setting.

[@Operngeist1]

How many table saws do you need? Frank: Yes! Joking aside, awesome video! I'm especially in love with the crane!

[@TheBearDenPhotography]

Good to see your identical twin brother helping out. Trouble Is, it's hard to discern who is who of the two...

[@lisahodges8299]

Drat! Add 1/8" then take it off, then add it again. .. Patience as always from Frank. Birdy

[@prototype3a]

I want to see more of the mechanical structure of the Rip-It. On my #72, a standard Biesemeyer fence is not stiff enough and I think we can all agree that it is a pretty stout design.

[@ADBBuild]

Have you seen Jer Schmidt's fence design? It's one of the best IMO. He is on KZbin.

[@prototype3a]

@@ADBBuild I have and it is certainly interesting. His use of a "half nut" and lead screw is pretty clever for a tablesaw fence. I will likely build something similar for my #72 sooner or later.

[@andrewslater6846]

8:56 I appreciate this shot

[@MarcosElMalo2]

Any clown can juggle chainsaws, but juggling table saws is some cirque-saw du soleil level shit.

[@JimService]

For minor height adjustments of heavy things (e.g. upright piano, thickness planar) I use two "Winbag"s.

[@molitovv]

That hole was threaded!

[@MRrwmac]

Frank, I’m sure it so nice to have your tablesaw, excuse me two tablesaws, oh sorry three tablesaws, (phewww) working in perfect harmony with each other. You might just sit up on top of them in the center for your zen meditation ….haha>

[@MonkeyButlerLabs]

Arbor flange is the term you're looking for.

[@frankmakes]

Yes!

[@zadrik1337]

You need to find you a local buddy with a machine shop who also needs some wood working done. Then you can exchange some work whenever that nasty metal stuff comes up, and he can get help with his carbohydrate foam.