Juice Crew Talk "The Symphony" At B.B. Kings Reunion [NODFACTOR.COM]

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@daddyeyez740
@daddyeyez740 6 жыл бұрын
"Makin veterans run for medicine cause I put out more lights in a fight than Con Edison!" G Rap skills are insane!
@missayawk
@missayawk 6 жыл бұрын
daddy eyez That and "Coming back like I'm avenging my brother's death" KOOL G RIPPED IT!!
@kennethbonney7638
@kennethbonney7638 4 жыл бұрын
Killer line!!!💯 When I first heard I was like DAMN🔥
@ownknow8161
@ownknow8161 2 жыл бұрын
*G Rap is highly underrated. 🔥🔥🔥🔥 He killed it. 🔥🔥🔥🔥*
@wouldanyoneelseliketobehea7068
@wouldanyoneelseliketobehea7068 Жыл бұрын
Now play no limit symphony. Just saying
@jusfadez5920
@jusfadez5920 7 жыл бұрын
Youngstas need to respect the some of the forefathers of Hip-Hop!! This is living history!!
@Theonlychild1988
@Theonlychild1988 6 жыл бұрын
Jus Fadezz drive slow homey! THESE ARE NOT THE FOREFATHERS OF HIP HOP! These are the people who blazed the torch GOLDEN AFTER THEY GOT IT FROM THE THE FOREFATHERS: Grand Master Kaz, Melly Melle, KOOL MOE DEE, Kool Herc, Afrikka Bambatta, Grand Master Flash, Busy B, Luv Bug Starski and others whom I don’t even know the name WHO BLAZED THE TRAIL IN THE BRONX, AT THE FEVER, etc 1979 - 88. In the middle of those years RUN DMC SET THE SUPER STAR TONE WITH THEIR 3rd Album Raising Hell. And LLCOOLJ with his second album “Bigger & Degree”. Then 1987/1988 when KANE, G-RAP, KRSONE/BDP, ERIC B & RAKIM, BIZ MARKEE, PUBLIC ENEMY, NWA CAME THROUGH THE DOOR, that’s when HIP HOP STARTED TO CHANGE THE WORLD! But the 88ers ARE NOT FOREFATHERS!
@Pizone81
@Pizone81 6 жыл бұрын
Theonlychild1988 Schooled em
@The1KingKG
@The1KingKG 8 жыл бұрын
My all time favorite Hip Hop Crew!!!!
@godpositive7809
@godpositive7809 7 жыл бұрын
Only1KevG ...Mines too!!!!!!! Salute
@slumheem1559
@slumheem1559 6 жыл бұрын
Only1KevG that's cool but me...THE HIT SQUAD
@Kwaku211
@Kwaku211 6 жыл бұрын
Over 200 Likes and No DisLikes...ppl are respecting the history of HipHop!
@RalphDaVillain
@RalphDaVillain 2 жыл бұрын
Fuck them
@troyalexander9484
@troyalexander9484 4 жыл бұрын
Damn how time flies. This is a classic since it's debut and it gets better with time. BDK/KGR MAD LOVE RESPECT AND PROUD TO HAVE EXP THE DROP OF THIS TRACK AND GROWN OLD WITH YA.
@eminemisdogshit4626
@eminemisdogshit4626 4 жыл бұрын
So much talent in one room! Even after all these years there is still no rapper who can compare to G rap or kane
@MrHigh-zi6hk
@MrHigh-zi6hk 3 жыл бұрын
Facts!
@iamthewalruscuckookachoo1372
@iamthewalruscuckookachoo1372 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely correct.
@MaggillaKutz71
@MaggillaKutz71 Жыл бұрын
My voice is horrifying as “Vincent Price” , that line is fire 🔥
@arianneturpin3970
@arianneturpin3970 8 жыл бұрын
Greatness.
@jay-rock6627
@jay-rock6627 6 жыл бұрын
The Real Hip Hop era ✊🏿
@antoniogoode4407
@antoniogoode4407 6 жыл бұрын
Jay-Rock i like your comment i miss the real hip hop when is song came out in 88 i was a kid and i miss this song classic hip hop
@tylowe78
@tylowe78 6 жыл бұрын
Jay-Rock you know it bruh...
@mynamemeanschurch6825
@mynamemeanschurch6825 6 жыл бұрын
Jay-Rock You ain't lying....people called it the golden era, nah that was the platinum era....that's when lyrics mattered
@MrDevanier
@MrDevanier 6 жыл бұрын
Legendary Group! Much Respect to the Juice Crew. They all was nice. Marley was a Dope Producer needs to mention more often. he was one of the first to put in work.
@jondabaptist8239
@jondabaptist8239 Жыл бұрын
We all WELL SOME LOVE DR DRE well well well MARLEY Marl nuff said.
@xDTHECHEMISTx
@xDTHECHEMISTx 7 жыл бұрын
Loved my childhood era of rap
@timjacobs5685
@timjacobs5685 6 жыл бұрын
A stage filled with greatness. Hip hop FOREVER!!!!!
@lordgodspeed1539
@lordgodspeed1539 7 жыл бұрын
Real talk I don't know how you could have a juice crew reunion without MC Shan being involved. He came up with great records like Jane , project ho , MC space , living in the world of hip-hop, kill that noise, Down By Law, she ran with another man and left me lonely, I pioneered this(which had a flow and format that inspired it ain't hard to tell by Nas), freedom, cocaine, words to my freestyle, juice crew laws(krs-1 diss record), etc. I mean the man was the lead man for the juice crew, he's not up on stage but yet still have Grand Daddy IU that's crazy.
@nodfactordotcom
@nodfactordotcom 7 жыл бұрын
Shan was there and did perform that night. He just didn't participate in pre-show interviews.
@box5bastard277
@box5bastard277 7 жыл бұрын
Lord Godspeed just crew law dissed time two chris/Kris's. Krsone and Cool C yell
@slumheem1559
@slumheem1559 6 жыл бұрын
Lord Godspeed it's probably not on purpose..i don't think it was...BIZ wasn't there either...chill homeboy
@christopherjohnson979
@christopherjohnson979 6 жыл бұрын
Lord Godspeed YOU FORGOT THE BRIDGE.
@romelmurdock4187
@romelmurdock4187 6 жыл бұрын
tha tha tha tha bridge tha bridge!!!!!! Queen's bridge
@sayersaveRED
@sayersaveRED 6 жыл бұрын
One of the best collaborations early in rap
@quintinr.6760
@quintinr.6760 2 жыл бұрын
And these young kids running around listing to today’s music and just don’t understand what this music did for kid from TX in the 80’s. THANK YOU GUYS for making a difference in 10a of millions of black children’s lives across America.
@JustGimmieTheMic
@JustGimmieTheMic 8 жыл бұрын
Just Gimme the Mic was in the Building. It was legendary for me to have them hold my mic and brand for this interview
@aminahshabazz9905
@aminahshabazz9905 7 жыл бұрын
The Juice Crew! Aww the memories! Nothing better than the baddest crew from the eighties! Nobody could touch them! :-)
@blackpanther1541
@blackpanther1541 6 жыл бұрын
Aminah Shabazz BPD nuff said!!!(mic drop)
@sslyshalom333
@sslyshalom333 8 жыл бұрын
I was there also. THAT was a SUPERNOVA of a NIGHT FOR HIPHOP !!! To bare witness to GREATNESS from since the 80's....& STILL FIERCE WITH it....maaaan, listen........I NEEDED THAT, yo. Undeniable Timelessness.
@johnnymussalem707
@johnnymussalem707 6 жыл бұрын
Mc Shan the juice crew supreme
@hordakskeletor4345
@hordakskeletor4345 7 жыл бұрын
"THE MIC HAD MY PRINTS, & ON IT WAS A BODY!!!!" 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥
@hordakskeletor4345
@hordakskeletor4345 7 жыл бұрын
HIP-HOP ROYALTY!!!! 👽👽👽👽
@kurtadams3021
@kurtadams3021 6 жыл бұрын
HORDAK SKELETOR Crazy . Smfh .
@benoniahbenysrael9801
@benoniahbenysrael9801 Жыл бұрын
100% real rap, real MC's, real music, real hiphop, all legends, classic that can never be touched!!!!
@atiyas9776
@atiyas9776 6 жыл бұрын
Legends of Hip Hop!! That song is still hot today!
@shortythepresident3913
@shortythepresident3913 6 жыл бұрын
Back when New York rappers loved and respected each other.
@jetted_out
@jetted_out 6 жыл бұрын
This is beautiful
@rustyhornzinstrumentalist-7596
@rustyhornzinstrumentalist-7596 6 ай бұрын
Word. Like Sort of Like What Craig G Said, They Didn't Know How Big it Was Gonna Be in Years To Come, They Were Doin' What Came Natural To Them Not Really Thinkin' about it Bein' History in The Makin', Just Like Us Listeners, We Were Just Rockin' To The Song and Video. 💯 R.l.P. Grandaddy IU.
@iamthewalruscuckookachoo1372
@iamthewalruscuckookachoo1372 Жыл бұрын
Easily one of thee best crews in Hip Hop history. The symphony still gets bumped in my car weather my kids like it or not.
@jaywu_chakra9919
@jaywu_chakra9919 6 жыл бұрын
Look at one of the Greatest OG Vet squads of Hip Hop...Salute!!!
@ctbadcop15
@ctbadcop15 6 жыл бұрын
Sorry not the Juice crew without MC Shan. He got them all started with Marley Scratch. One of the top 3 records of all time
@challzbrown
@challzbrown 7 жыл бұрын
Great vid... thank you for keeping hip hop alive!
@FreeAgentsEnt13
@FreeAgentsEnt13 6 жыл бұрын
How you're going to have the legendary Juice Crew without MC Shan? Fuck outta here! #ThisGuyHere
@thapowerexchange
@thapowerexchange 7 ай бұрын
The Symphony IS the best posse cut. Its what made me fall in love with rap
@BigKingBB76
@BigKingBB76 6 жыл бұрын
Look at these legends fam, paid the way for so many.
@matthewbryant4926
@matthewbryant4926 6 жыл бұрын
The best crew ever!!!!
@TyhlerNovac
@TyhlerNovac 6 жыл бұрын
Who remembers Craig G from the mixtape circuit back in the mid to early 90s always talk to her always always talked over songs
@alpizzle2963
@alpizzle2963 6 жыл бұрын
Understand Shan not being there but where Biz?
@eutue
@eutue 4 жыл бұрын
FYI: Mister Magic, M.C. Shan, Tragedy, Roxanne Shante, Biz Markie, Diamond Shell, Grand Daddy I.U., Glamorous weren't on "The Symphony" for various reasons. More were on Juice Crew Allstars.
@toddjones9833
@toddjones9833 3 жыл бұрын
The moment I heard this back in 88 I was froze and I'm from the south but back then internationally east coast got all the recognition this was a instant classic
@guysimmons4305
@guysimmons4305 4 жыл бұрын
Wow i cant believe they was able to get all of them together in one place.
@MrMonkeylawyer
@MrMonkeylawyer 6 жыл бұрын
Very dope,but imagine if shante was on the symphony smh it would definitely been more fire.
@Sonia-uz7wn
@Sonia-uz7wn 6 жыл бұрын
I loved me some Big Daddy Kane!
@HAwKDABANDIT
@HAwKDABANDIT 6 жыл бұрын
Love this video shows how old gees sit back and remember the glory days
@LSturdy
@LSturdy 6 жыл бұрын
I Love You Hip Hop !
@joycelynnwellons2616
@joycelynnwellons2616 6 жыл бұрын
HOW GREAT THEY ARE TO HAVE GIVEN US GREAT ROCKN MEMORIES😎
@seanwright8786
@seanwright8786 6 жыл бұрын
My 13 year old son who was born in 2004 plays this song on the regular and I was 17 when this joint came out so it definitely is a CLASSIC. All y'all that's 40 or 50 plus that got teenagers who listen to today's rap music, u ain't gonna understand why they like the majority of today's rap. I get it. I don't even like 80% of it but expose them to the shit we listened to in the 80's to bring a balance. U would b surprised how they react
@emack4371
@emack4371 7 жыл бұрын
The Symphony and Head Bangers my favorite 2 posse cuts......CLASSICS
@dafluent1
@dafluent1 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that interview because back in the day magazines like Right on wasnt asking questions like that. They would just be on that pop shit asking Kane why did he only like light skinned chicks. Who cares I wanted to know what motivated them.
@bornjust2003
@bornjust2003 3 жыл бұрын
The Juice Crew ............. One of the most underrated Hip Hop Crews of all time. Add MC Shan and Bix Markie and you know what I'm talking about.
@sondaelockett3424
@sondaelockett3424 7 жыл бұрын
Glad you posted this video!!!!
@Devestato72
@Devestato72 6 жыл бұрын
damn, if shante was on the symphony that shit would have been crazy
@jbarrier3506
@jbarrier3506 7 жыл бұрын
Cool V's shirt!!! Vapors is a dope song i want that shirt. This interview was dope
@tr8086
@tr8086 6 жыл бұрын
Legends
@Breakbeats92.5
@Breakbeats92.5 6 жыл бұрын
The Symphony contains a sample of "Hard To Handle" as recorded by Otis Redding.
@kartiersupremewhite330
@kartiersupremewhite330 2 жыл бұрын
This Is Love.
@BlackKanoli
@BlackKanoli 7 жыл бұрын
The legendary Juice Crew!
@benligon9616
@benligon9616 7 жыл бұрын
Yo, I was and still am a HUGE fan! Legends of HIP HOPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@seathizzo2988
@seathizzo2988 6 жыл бұрын
PLEASE ACCEPT THESE FLOWERS GIVEN WHILST Y'ALL ARE STILL ABLE TO ENJOY THEM 🌷🌺🌹🌸🍀🌼🌻
@DJ--ALLDAY
@DJ--ALLDAY 6 жыл бұрын
LEGENDS.... THAT'S ALL THAT NEEDS TO BE SAID.. ( Youngin's U should hope you have classic material that you can perform and GET PAID 30 yrs after your release)
@shortykool78
@shortykool78 6 жыл бұрын
Living Legends!!!!! Nuff Said!!!!
@questkid73
@questkid73 7 жыл бұрын
No MC Shan??
@nodfactordotcom
@nodfactordotcom 7 жыл бұрын
He didn't participate in the pre-show interviews, but he performed that night.
@Rollwitme
@Rollwitme 5 жыл бұрын
Word has it that Shan had it in for Kane
@earljones920
@earljones920 5 жыл бұрын
MC Shan and Marley , was beefing during the making of the Marley Marl - In Control Album , Shan said : Marley don’t like to pay nobody and if he Dj for you , he likes to take all the Credit , So, when they were getting ready to record , he rolled out and went over this girls house to get busy
@newera5238
@newera5238 6 жыл бұрын
WOW!! This is AMAZING watching this, man I feel like a big kid right now.😄
@Spaaceyankee
@Spaaceyankee Жыл бұрын
I still got this track on 12 inch vynle in mint!
@anthonysmith905
@anthonysmith905 6 жыл бұрын
Probably The Greatest Posse Joint Ever!!!
@anthonysmith905
@anthonysmith905 6 жыл бұрын
Totally Agree.
@chrisnyasia7
@chrisnyasia7 5 жыл бұрын
Not gonna argue that point, but, Wu-tang may have a say in that...
@chrisnyasia7
@chrisnyasia7 5 жыл бұрын
@Stuart Dooley Point taken. However, if by "collective of artists" you mean a crew operating as a single impenetrable unit then you've made a salient point. Unfortunately, I don't think that was your point at all. Wu-tang's mission statement, from the beginning, was for EVERY member to eventually branch out and produce solo albums... The juice crew, which predated Wu-tang by 5-6 yrs, are the lone originators of that concept... The juice crew's business model remains to this day, the standard operating procedure for making money in the rap game... Prior to the juice crew's marvel superheroes approach to the rap game --- where each superhero has their own stand alone movie, "rap groups" were exactly that ---- unified groups (furious five, fantastic romantic five, cold crush, force mc's...), and NOT the "independent contractors masquerading as boy bands" that would become the standard for the industry, post juice crew... Having said all that, the juice crew's "the symphony" still remains to me, the finest collection of not just rap talent ever assembled---but remember, Marley marl is arguably the best beat maker of all time---to rock on a single joint, regardless of era...
@chrisnyasia7
@chrisnyasia7 5 жыл бұрын
@Stuart Dooley the juice crew was well into it's heyday when DITC got going...I know cause I'm from Patterson projects...rhyme inspector percy pee is my little bro's homie and I watched them literally grow up together...(though percy wasn't DITC) I basically raised AG from showbiz and AG(andre the giant), who are also DITC products... Ekim, diamond d, finesse (all forest projects cats) I know em all... In fact, I was present at that battle in Patterson between percy and finesse in '89... Remember, DITC indirectly produced fat joe, and big pun(whose rhyme style was heavily influenced by percy pee...) Now back to Wu-tang. They actually share a bond with each other that transcends arts and entertainment; they're all five percent... So of course, when compared to a loose juice crew type coalition there's really no comparison... Don't know if you're a new Yorker or not but either way no disrespect is meant. I'm talking about a bygone era that goes back before any other place was involved. Pre west coast. Pre south. Pre mid west. Even pre philly. When those other places were just starting to emerge, New York was well into experiencing its second golden age. Obviously as a Bronx cat I would know that, given the fact this thing of ours originated in our borough. But again, not to disparage you because you have stated facts regarding the juice crew's hierarchical pecking order, and they're not being as tight a family as Wu-tang was when Wu first arrived on the scene. But also, lest we not forget, that whole concept of bringing hip-hop music to the masses hadn't been refined and perfected yet--- which is largely why I had to annoint Marley TBE, cause remember there was virtually no blueprint before him. His musical influence on the greatest rappers ever (rakim, Kane, g rap and even to a lesser extent, nas) is gloriously indicative of his hegemony. AND, believe it or not, We are all still basically caught in his original matrix, whether knowingly or unknowingly. A matrix that was founded 35 plus yrs ago...
@limubai753
@limubai753 6 жыл бұрын
Roxanne Shante, such a lady, true icon and pioneer!
@latrellsprewell1457
@latrellsprewell1457 7 жыл бұрын
all hail king grap
@TheUnknownSharpShooter
@TheUnknownSharpShooter 2 жыл бұрын
I would love for them to make a new album
@kurtadams3021
@kurtadams3021 6 жыл бұрын
LEGENDS
@dsword456
@dsword456 6 жыл бұрын
Respect to the Legends...
@ni7akaniggod
@ni7akaniggod 6 жыл бұрын
Symphony 2018 with the whole JUICE CREW need to be done..like the status if you agree
@mashondaknight9132
@mashondaknight9132 6 жыл бұрын
Great interview
@GTheGenius
@GTheGenius 6 жыл бұрын
A lot of history on that stage.
@kevinwilkins7294
@kevinwilkins7294 Жыл бұрын
This is the greatest rap group of all time
@dramahawkpromotions9621
@dramahawkpromotions9621 6 жыл бұрын
love this
@ddg112
@ddg112 Жыл бұрын
That juice album was and is a classic all the way to LA✌🏾
@selease
@selease 6 жыл бұрын
The best crew.
@tribeunique3448
@tribeunique3448 6 жыл бұрын
LEGENDS!
@kwaysee
@kwaysee 6 жыл бұрын
Greatness!
@ownknow8161
@ownknow8161 2 жыл бұрын
*🔥🔥🔥🔥 G Rap killed it on "The Symphony". 🔥🔥🔥🔥*
@mrkingssizesnicker
@mrkingssizesnicker 7 жыл бұрын
I know every single lyric to this Hall Of Fame Classic! Kool Kane's and yours for that matter..,,all fuck it all yall lyrics is unmatchable on that song.
@karriembrat8931
@karriembrat8931 2 жыл бұрын
SHANTE, I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH YOU. YOU WERE ROXANNE SHANTE IN 83-84. No one even knew who Marley Marl was until you. You would have killed the track. You came before all dem dudes..much respect to kane, Craig g, koo g etc but, YOU WAS BEFORE EVERYBODY PRETTY MUCH .YOU WOULD HAVE DOUBLE SOLIDIFIED FEMALE POWER IN HIP HOP. IT WAS THE BIGGEST SONG JUICE CREW EVER HAD
@ohcamnam9383
@ohcamnam9383 5 жыл бұрын
Love it!
@kelvinmiles1065
@kelvinmiles1065 6 жыл бұрын
We Know G Rap N KANE was Dope! They be sleeping on Craig G n Master Ace
@anthonywilliams6002
@anthonywilliams6002 6 жыл бұрын
Still got the original cassette tape.
@ericperry27
@ericperry27 6 жыл бұрын
Masta Ace is in my top 5 all time!
@thecoach11
@thecoach11 6 жыл бұрын
Legends !
@gerardraney4227
@gerardraney4227 3 жыл бұрын
GRap can spit, period! Kane is my favorite rapper of all time
@jeffreysaunders8226
@jeffreysaunders8226 6 жыл бұрын
Real mc's
@davejohnson3860
@davejohnson3860 4 жыл бұрын
"Ruff til the ending" - Special Ed gives thanks
@rwyatt26
@rwyatt26 4 жыл бұрын
I see Granddaddy IU back there!!!
@messiahblack4816
@messiahblack4816 7 жыл бұрын
Damn, Masta Ace ain't even tryin to mask his unenthusiasm.
@dcarey315
@dcarey315 6 жыл бұрын
Black Messiah him or IU
@missayawk
@missayawk 6 жыл бұрын
Messiah Black He's curbing his enthusiasm
@SEANLJOHNSONSR609
@SEANLJOHNSONSR609 Жыл бұрын
Juice crew
@theoriginal668
@theoriginal668 6 жыл бұрын
Juice crew was dope. The only crew I would say that was up thair with them was the Native Tounges.
@TCSMastery
@TCSMastery 6 жыл бұрын
50+ never looked so good!!! I love my peeps!
@slikdarelic
@slikdarelic 6 жыл бұрын
Watch in this shit makes me wanna watch it again.. lol.. Reeeessspppeeeccttt!!!
@MrJohnnyLighting
@MrJohnnyLighting Жыл бұрын
Yo I would love to hear that original G.Rap verse😮
@erichall3090
@erichall3090 3 жыл бұрын
Kool G. Rap had the illest and realest bars, loved how everyone did their thing though.
@southbend76
@southbend76 6 жыл бұрын
CLAS-SICK
@skylarksinera
@skylarksinera 7 жыл бұрын
No TJ Swan !!!!???
@realtalk6073
@realtalk6073 6 жыл бұрын
Classic 😎😎😎😎😎
@DrezNoir
@DrezNoir 7 жыл бұрын
that song still gives me chills..Even though Kane gets the most props I still think Masta Ace and Kool G Rap are of the best ever. Ace is my man anything he comes out I got it..Craig G did his thing as well..
@latrellsprewell1457
@latrellsprewell1457 7 жыл бұрын
you are wrong about kane geting the most luv, but your right kool g is the goat
@TheEdub1
@TheEdub1 7 жыл бұрын
Kool G is the best lyricist but Kane is the best mc big difference!
@latrellsprewell1457
@latrellsprewell1457 7 жыл бұрын
well you want to get technical kool g rap is just the best overall ya kane can rock a crowd but so can biz and krs 1 , kane was my favorite originally but I grew up, and started hearing the giacanna,s range and attributes vocab narration, delivery overall content. a kane started to become a pop rapper he never did anything besides master metaphors and hes still a top 10 mc but g'rap's on another plateau my brother im just stating facts
@DrezNoir
@DrezNoir 7 жыл бұрын
Latrell Sprewell well technically master ace produce way more albums than the entire juice crew team. he continues to release great albums. masta ace is one of the great story tellers in rap. Kool g and Kane both vanished from hip hop but ace is still there. that's like saying biggie was better than jay when he only made 2 to 3 albums and Jay made 10 to 15
@TheEdub1
@TheEdub1 7 жыл бұрын
Masta Ace has 7 solo albums and 4 collab albums. Kane has 7 albums plus his Las Supper collab = 8 albums total. Kool G Rap has 7 albums plus 2 collab = 9 albums total. Masta Ace basically admitted Kane was the best mc out of the Juice Crew. Ace said his 3 greatest mc's were LL Cool J, Rakim, Big Daddy Kane. Ace is definitely underrated but he is NOT better then Kane or G Rap. And Marley Marl was asked who is the best mc he ever worked with and Marley has worked with damn near everyone. Marley's answer = BIG DADDY KANE!
@knucklegame5050
@knucklegame5050 Ай бұрын
Crazy how Craig G was Only 15yrs old on the Symphony. Spittin w da Greats! Woww
@megatonfirst
@megatonfirst 7 жыл бұрын
Good shit but I came here looking for Shan
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