July 1 - An interesting marriage agreement and rough wooing

🤝 The Treaties of Greenwich: A Royal Betrothal and Broken Promises 🤝
On this day in Tudor history, July 1, 1543, the Treaties of Greenwich were signed, promising peace and a royal marriage between England and Scotland. But what happened when the Scottish Parliament rejected these treaties? 🤔
Join me as I delve into the intriguing details of these treaties, the ambitious marriage agreement between the young Prince Edward and Mary, Queen of Scots, and the ensuing conflict known as the Rough Wooing. Discover how this chapter in Tudor history reshaped the relationship between these two nations. 📜⚔️
#TudorHistory #RoyalMarriage #TreatiesOfGreenwich #HenryVIII #MaryQueenOfScots #EdwardVI #RoughWooing #HistoricalEvents #HistoryUnveiled
Watch now to explore the fascinating twists and turns of this historical saga! 🌹👑
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[@sarahna8698]

Just imagine how different history would’ve been had Edward lived and married Mary (and managed to have an heir by her, of course).

[@onemercilessming1342]

Sarah Na--A marriage of Edward VI to his close cousin, Mary Stuart, would have been consanguineous and would have needed a special dispensation from the Pope (and Edward was raised as a Protestant, not a Roman Catholic--that might have been a sticking point for Mary). Close relative marriages result in birth defects--some very severe.

[@bosongidner5418]

And if they were married and Edvard died without heir, Mary schould have been widow to the King of England and grand grand daughter to Henry VII....

[@catherinesabino2701]

Criss cross family tree

[@ItsJustLisa]

Ick! I mean, they were first cousins once removed. The fact that she married into the French kingdom with Medici blood probably actually helped Europe for a time.

[@neilbuckley1613]

@@ItsJustLisa No off spring though from her Marriage to the future Francois II.

[@kellyel8646]

Thank you! I had NO idea that Edward and Mary were meant to marry, and i had no idea about the resulting war. Wow, I love these videos of such fantastic information.

[@montrelouisebohon-harris7023]

That would have been an interesting marriage considering that Mary was Catholic and Edward was Protestant. Mary was religious tolerance but Edward wasn't and I don't know if he would have gone through with the marriage later on with Mary being Catholic. Edward was a bright young man and sad that he died so young because he was really intelligent and very mature for his age. I'm just not sure that he would have wanted to go ahead with the marriage despite how beautiful Mary Queen of Scots was and how friendly and outgoing she was. The people at English Court would have really liked her but it's possible that some of them may have snubbed their noses because she was Scottish after all. Once she was sent to France and educated there she grew up to have a French accent rather than the Scottish accent. The relationship between Edward and Mary Queen of Scots would have been interesting to say the least. I don't think that Mary's mother felt comfortable allowing Mary to Wed into the Tudor family because of all the slaughter going on. You notice it didn't end after King Henry the 8th died because it got worse with Mary Tudor. It slowed down with Elizabeth but she still was so much like her father was pathetic. Queen Elizabeth was not religious tolerant like Mary Queen of Scots and she was jealous and conceited which are things that Mary Queen of Scots cared not for. Mary was outdoors and athletic.

[@Ladybug-uf7uh]

Well. Edward, six years old and Mary, less than one year. Consummation, peace for the entire life of either prince/princess plus one year, hostage formalization, extenuating death circumstances... ratified! Then denied by the Scottish parliament (sounded like they got the best bargain in this treaty), only to end up in WAR - a Rough Wooing! What a hoot! People died because of this treaty; sounds like a bunch of loonies! Things never work out like we plan, no matter how hard we try otherwise. Thank you for this lesson; appreciate your work, knew nothing about this and learned something new today!

[@cherylreed7523]

My God...I didn't know about Edward & Mary...how different the history would have all turned out if they had been married!! It's fascinating....thankyou Claire once again for another really interesting Tudor fix 😀

[@wendychavez5348]

I was vaguely aware of this betrothal, but hadn't known about the resulting war or any of the other details you shared. I'm actually about to watch it again because there's so much to take in. Your videos are rich with new knowledge--thank you so much for providing them!

[@kathleensturgis8525]

I often wonder who is enjoying this series more, us who watch each day, or you when making each video. Thank you Claire.

[@wendychavez5348]

If Claire's doing it right (as she apparently is), it's a tossup!

[@anneboleynfiles]

Well I'm loving it! It's lovely to hear that you are too!

[@anneboleynfiles]

Ha! Yes!

[@jillniemczynski5517]

Wow. I never knew anything about this! That's what I love about you Claire, you've always got a surprise for us when we least expect it! I never tire of your stories! Thank you so much! 👍💙😄🌹

[@katiecrocker4098]

I had no idea about Edward and Mary. I feel I learn so much from each of your videos. Mary is another royal I am fascinated with. As someone else commented. How different things would have been had Edward lived, married Mary and produced an heir.

[@maryannlockwood7806]

🇺🇸this is fascinating! I never knew Edward and Mary were betrothed & at such a very young age too!🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇬🇧

[@bethjanelle20]

Thank you, Claire. I did not know about this topic at all. It was very interesting for me to learn about this earlier attempt to join the monarchies. Since Mary went to France, I just assumed that had always been the plan for her. I just caught up with yesterday's post too (non-computer day yesterday!) I can only imagine the sight of the royal progress coming down the road and the poor nobleman and his wife panicking over where to put everyone, how to feed everyone and still take care of their own farms/village tenants. I am glad I got a double dose of you today. Cheers!

[@SunflowerSpotlight]

I had a convo with my parents about six weeks ago explaining why it would be considered a bit creepy for Edward and Mary to be betrothed. I had like a whole spacial kind of family tree thing going on, because my Dad was so confused at one point. 😅 The shame is that despite not marrying Edward, Mary ended up marrying yet another young king who also died young, and that’s where all her troubles began in earnest.

[@renshiwu305]

In the upper reaches of the royalty and nobility, there was a lot of incestuousness. Henry VIII was a distant cousin of Anne Boleyn and Jane Seymour (and Catherine Howard was a cousin of the first degree to Anne Boleyn). Henry and Catherine of Aragon were both descended from John of Gaunt. Henry himself was descended from three of Edward III's sons: Lionel, Duke of Clarence, John, Duke of Lancaster (same as above), and Edmund, Duke of York. Mary Stuart and Edward Tudor's familial relationship was in the first degree, once-removed (Edward's paternal aunt was Mary's paternal grandmother). Mary subsequently married Henry Stewart, Lord Darnley, who was her half- first cousin (Henry was the grandson of Margaret Tudor from her second marriage). Henry Stewart was also a Stewart because his father was related to the Scottish royal family, of which Mary eventually became the head. It goes on and on with these familial relationships. Mary Tudor (Henry VIII's daughter) married her first cousin, once-removed. Another Mary Stuart (daughter of James II/VII) married her first cousin. Queen Victoria married her first cousin. As a side note, Victoria's mother and Prince Albert's father were siblings, not only to each other, but also to Leopold, the first King of the Belgians. Leopold was the husband and widower of Charlotte of Wales, the heir presumptive to the British throne and Victoria's first cousin. Had Charlotte not died young, Leopold would have occupied the position later held by his nephew Albert.

[@travislong5468]

@@renshiwu305 that's a lot of bleck

[@Pridegriffin]

@@travislong5468 I guess they made the "Royal Decisions" to keep it in the family... Power corrupts was very obvious even back then. More so, than now, with that convoluted power heads.

[@beth7935]

@@renshiwu305 Yes, trying to draw a family tree of royalty or nobility is horrendous! I was amused to find out how closely Henry VIII was related to all his wives, even the foreign ones, but then of course English royalty intermarried a lot with other European royal families.

[@vilstef6988]

Thank you, Claire! Some most interesting little-known events!

[@coletterice]

Oh, this one was really interesting to me. I had heard of the Rough Wooing, but I didn't know what it referred to other than Scottish/English conflicts, and I didn't know about Edward and Mary at all. Like Sarah said, what a different world it would be if Edward had lived and this had come off. I think of that so often... If Katherine of Aragon had had a son, or if Anne had had a son... It's truly breathtaking to ponder the difference one event in history can make on generations that follow. This was a really good one, Claire, thank you!

[@theresecatalano4017]

Very interesting & another item to add to the what if list. Thank you Claire!

[@jillk5923]

All this is news to me! Thank you so much Claire. Really enjoying your talks.

[@michellerhodes9910]

I always ponder that if Henry VIII had been successful and taken charge of Mary (Queen of Scots) she might then have had the relationship with England that she had with France. In fact as Francois and Edward both died without heirs, she would still have finished as the youthful, lovely widow BUT what would have happened in England if on Edward's death there was an heir to the English throne (which she was through Margaret Tudor) actually readily available to take charge? Where would it have left Mary Tudor and Elizabeth? Would Mary Stewart have had the same relationship with Catholicism? Would Edward have minded? He did not like his sister's devotion to her faith. In a parallel universe where would we all have been? Wonderful posting, Claire, thank you. I had no idea that 'The Rough Wooing' went on so long and had so many ramifications.

[@Lyndell-P]

🇭🇲🦘 Great video. Gee, hostages to keep a Treaty, then Scottish Parliament rejected the Treaty. Also battles fought over this matter. What a mess! "Thank you" Claire. 👑👍

[@darlenefarmer5921]

I knew that there was some sort of putting Mary and Edward together but I didn't know of the long list of requirements and conditions nor did I know abt a War based on Scotland's refusal of the terms. Thank so much for the education and my T-Fix.

[@joansmith3296]

These poor kids were all just pawns for treaties and deals. They really had bizarre lives. Thanks Claire.

[@ruthgoebel723]

Learning something new again today! Thanks for sharing!

[@tessat338]

Had Mary, Queen of Scots been brought to England at a young age, it would have been bad for Mary Tudor and disastrous for Elizabeth Tudor. Mary Stuart could have built a faction in England that might have made her a more attractive heir to Edward than either of his sisters. Edward might have been more inclined to name his wife, the granddaughter of Henry VIII's older sister descending through a son as his heir rather than their cousin Jane who was the granddaughter of Henry's younger sister and who descended through daughters. On the other hand, in this way, Elizabeth and Mary Stuart might have had a chance to meet in person, which they never did in actual history.

[@catherinesabino2701]

Thank you so much! I have these weird obsession of this certain period so bad. I can't stop digging. I love your channel and maybe I'll read your books someday

[@TheAjjupiter]

I didn't know that! Thanks for educating us, Claire.

[@CherylGormanAuthor]

Very interesting! I never knew Edward and Mary Queen of Scots were betrothed. And with hostages! The Tudor period never ceases to amaze me. Thank you for another great video!

[@kimmaried.7313]

As always excellent ❣️

[@theantiquelittlegirl5891]

I just happened on your channel, new subscriber, and love learning all about Tudor history. I especially love the beautiful letters people write one another.

[@beth7935]

I'd heard this most interesting story on the show Horrible Histories! It's a really funny sketch, & really cute cos the baby playing Queen Mary is the son of the actor playing the Earl of Arran

[@TheTam0613]

Yay! Happy July 1st, Claire. Thank you for another great video 😊

[@laurarobertson2825]

So interesting. Never knew Edward and Mary, Queen of Scots were betrothed. Also that there was a treaty between the two countries. Great video.

[@almontepaolilli4909]

Complicated relationships resulting in wars.

[@kimberlymills4688]

I took a course in Tudor English History in college. I never heard about Edward and Mary's betrothal. I'm a big fan of anything having to do with the Tudors. I get such a kick reading about them every day.

[@kentbrasloff1534]

Do a;ny of us really have a say or is it all predestined? Seems Mary's course was set in stone. Either way she would have married and buried a young and sickly husband without producing an heir (which might have protected her), been sent packing back to Scotland and found herself exactly where she wound up...on the block. Talk about tragic!

[@ashleigh4756]

Long time listener. First time commenting - such an interesting story!

[@peachymeechie1844]

I had heard of them being betrothed at one time or another, but I never knew about a resulting war or any of the other details of why they didn't marry. I just assumed Edward's death was the reason. So when Claire says you want to know about these treaty's..... I'm all ears!! Love this and got a much better understanding!! As always thank you for sharing these with us. I enjoy making these my "mommy moment" of each day! Lol!!

[@nibs8837]

What a wonderful Mommy you are, spending your "Mommy Moment" increasing your knowledge! Your children are very lucky!

[@peachymeechie1844]

@@nibs8837 Thank you so much. That was sweet of you to say!

[@chiaroscuroamore]

How fascinating! I didn’t know that Edward VI and Mary Queen of Scots were almost betrothed to be married. I wonder how many things would be different if that marriage had taken place! And what a name for a war! the War of Rough Wooing; almost funny enough to make one forget people died in it. Thank you again for another wonderful video!

[@catherinesabino2701]

I knew about this but not all the condition and everything. But IF they were ever married, imagine, Mary Queen of Scots would then be Mary Queen of Scots and England by both marriage and blood line from Margaret Tudor. A Catholic and so does Mary Tudor 1, who was next in line for the throne according to Henry VIII's will. Just imagine the power of both of those women ruling England and Scotland. Theeeen.. I don't think Elizabeth would've turned to what she became. No Golden Age. Big what if. I guess no matter how bad I feel for both Mary Queen of Scots and Mary Tudor 1, I wouldn't change anything to what had happened to them because they were all an important piece for the bigger puzzle. I will always mourn for them.

[@ReadingUnderTheStars.3637]

I don’t remember where I read it but I thought Edward was supposed to marry lady Jane grey at one point. I think history would have change a lot of Edward and Mary would have married

[@wendychavez5348]

I believe Prince Edward was proposed to several brides, among them Lady Jane Grey and Mary, Queen of Scots. There may have been another French girl in there, and probably a German or Hungarian or someone. As with this one, most of them were made while he was too young to really understand what was going on.

[@anneboleynfiles]

Yes, Thomas Seymour, when Jane was his ward, was quite queen on a match between her and Edward.

[@montrelouisebohon-harris7023]

@@anneboleynfiles I never realized that Jane Grey was Thomas Seymour's Ward. Hmm I know that his brother Edward had him tried and executed. it wasn't too long after that or maybe a few years that Edward Seymour, Uncle of the young king and protector as well as the one in charge of England until Edward was at age to rule alone, infuriated King Edward VI moving him in the middle of the night. The circumstances were outrages to the king and he was so Furious that he had the council get a hold of his uncle and then Edward Seymour was beheaded.. It's weird how things come around like that because the Seymour family were so ambitious and yet people talk about the Boleyns being terrible. NOO.. the Duke of Norfolk has been in politics for a long time and Thomas Bowlin has been an ambassador over in France so they were already in the political world. It was Edward Seymour and his father John that really pushed Jane Seymour in to Henry as if he weren't already attracted to her as it was. Henry tried to get Jane as a mistress and she was playing hard-to-get and I guess she thought she could get him to divorce Anne.. nooooo!! That girl was living in a dream world and is Henry really really love to Jane the way he said he did he would have had her coronated a lot sooner but he kept making excuses and he made excuses for every Queen except for Catherine of Aragon and Anne Boleyn.. Jane Seymour did give Henry and male heir, & that's about all because there was nothing more to her. I think she was rather boring after reading a lot about her.. Jane and Henry married May 30th 1536 and he could have had her coronated that summer or even in the fall before it got too cold. That's why I always look at Catherine and Anne Boleyn as being the 2 teue queens of England. It's just sad for both women and situations in addition to both princesses..

[@mariamarchese8405]

At this time I am starting to guess that, back then, marriage agreements at such a young age were hardly ever taken seriously, since even royal babies often died, and if they survived alliances would change as they grew up: I never imagined they would name a war out of one of those!

[@Stoogewriter]

I love learning about historical events, places and people. It's fascinating and my best subject in school. Since you are an expert on Tudor history, what do you think about the Showtime series, "The Tudors" How historically accurate is it? I'm especially curious about the interaction and devolving relationship between Queen Catherine of Aragon & Anne Boleyn. How did their relationship start, when did it change, how did Catherine find out about Anne Boleyn's dalliances with Henry VIII, etc.

[@iamagoogler3324]

Mary had pretty much nothing but bad luck.

[@catherinesabino2701]

Oh, yeah. The burden of having too much in her birth right. Forever danger to her life

[@SafetySpooon]

A lot of her bad luck was of her own making; always doing the one thing that would get everyone angry.

[@girlsrule722]

Wow your right I had no ideal that Edward and Mary were to marry. I do know that Edward died and Lady Jane was made Queen. Because Edward didnt want either of his half sister to be Queen. For Lady Jane that was a big mistake . She and her husband lost their lives by the Mary Tudor when she came to claim the thrown. Thank you so much Claire. We love are lessons and are Tudor Histery fix.

[@patriciapickett836]

No, never knew about this match...had heard the term 'Rough Wooing' but hadn't really looked into it to make the connection. I always thought that Lady Jane Grey was the main prospect for marriage.

[@TheTam0613]

I remember first reading this probably a decade ago and not really understanding how two young children could be "married" or even betrothed. Reading more and finding these betrothals to be more normal than I had first thought, I remember reading adults who went through these mock marriages on behalf of the children and that the laying of a leg across the legs of the representative for the girl was considered symbolic of "consummation". Was this common or just used a lot in place of royal children?

[@annwilliams6438]

I am not really that surprised about the treaty falling apart.... Henry would very much have liked to have had Scotland as part of the kingdom of his son and was very much pushing to get this control. While some parties in Scotland may have agreed to it as a means of preventing bloodshed by Henry's army, I can still see why many Scots parliamentarians would still remember that Henry (actually his wife, Catherine of Aragon) had marched against Scotland and killed Mary's grandfather when he was king of the Scots - even though he was Henry's own brother-in-law! (Yup, Mary's grandmother was Henry's sister, and one of the main reasons why Mary's son, James would become king of England and the Scots once Elizabeth had died.) The Scots had probably had enough of the English trying to 'strong-arm' them the whole way through Henry's reign and why there were so many back and forth raids and battles. It is ironic that it was Henry's sister's off-spring, James, who would be the first king of both kingdoms, rather than Henry's!

[@wcfheadshots240]

What a shame for Mary of Scots. Had she been married to young Edward, she would have been dosages Queen of England upon his death & had no reason to plot against Elizabeth.

[@neilbuckley1613]

On Edward's death Mary Tudor, not Mary Stuart would be Queen of England. Mary Stuart would be in the same position she was in France when her husband died.

[@annalisette5897]

What a mess! Wasn't Mary Stewart actually Queen of Scotland soon after her birth? Yet she was called "princess" in the treaty? Imagine Catholic Mary married to extremely protestant Edward VI!

[@anneboleynfiles]

"Prince" and "princess" were often used in a very general sense to refer to monarchs but in this case it might have been used as she hadn't reached her majority.

[@dirgniflesuoh7950]

Anna Morris Interesting how would Mary have been brought up in Scotland, with English governesses, instead of in France, she might have become a lot more protestant? Her first move as queen of Scotland was to affirm the Scottish reformation I believe.

[@sandranorman5469]

Wasn’t Mary not interested in the Catholic faith until Elizabeth got the throne of England? Never knew that she was so religious and to become a bulwark of the Catholic faith only seems a convenience. How many times had she been married?

[@annalisette5897]

@@sandranorman5469 Mary was married three times: Francis II, king of France; Henry Darnley, father of James VI & I; James Hepburn, Earl of Bothwell. The first two died. Bothwell lingered in a Danish prison for a while. Mary did not remarry after that marriage. Mary was brought up in France, basically a Catholic country. Upon her return to Scotland it is reported she entered into spirited discussions of religion with protestants like Knox. At the time of her execution it is said she rejected Anglican prayers, saying she wished to die in the faith she had always practiced. As I understand it, Mary's claim to Elizabeth's throne had a large basis in religion. From the Catholic point of view, Elizabeth was illegitimate. I think too that Mary became a Catholic martyr because it served the Catholic cause. It is said great care was taken that none of Mary's blood was collected for relics. It is also noted that she wore a "crimson" petticoat when executed and that this was the color of Catholic martyrdom. So far as I know she has not been beatified so it looks to me like Mary as martyr was more political than religious.

[@gracebaggett9071]

Claire I would love to order your hoodies do you offer any larger sizes than xl ?

[@aimee2234]

I wonder often if Prince Edward would of been a great king. He is portrayed as kind in movies. Do you know much about him? Thank you, Claire!

[@h.calvert3165]

I just read somewhere about him cutting his pet falcon to bits after the bird accidentally scratched him with its sharp talons. Cut off its wings & its legs to start with. . .while it was alive! His courtiers applauded the young king for being 'manly'! 🤢

[@astrinymris9953]

I have the impression that he was somewhat cold and fanatical. Not as bad as Mary; he only had two people executed for heresy in his six year reign, as opposed to Mary's 283 in five years. I read somewhere that he'd resisted executing a heretic because he didn't want her to die "in all her sin" and be condemned to hell. However, I can't find the reference right now.

[@aimee2234]

@@astrinymris9953 Thank you, Astrin!

[@6falconsue]

@@h.calvert3165 If that is true, that cretin deserves to rot in Hell!

[@ladyv5655]

Edward seemed to be very cold and tyrannical. After he became king, he became very cold and dictatorial towards his sisters, especially Mary. He actually kept a journal of sorts and writes very coldly about the executions of his uncles, Lord Suddely and the Duke of Somerset as if he didn't really care.

[@darcidecaesaria9071]

Lol getting my fix before work!!!!

[@carolynambrose8194]

I had no idea! I have a feeling that marriage would've ended in disaster. We'll never know.

[@marionarnott750]

I think so too. Edward was raised as a protestant while Mary was a Catholic. She was warm and passionate. He seems to me to have been cold and detached. Maybe that's nonsense - he was only a boy when he died with no time to show what he really was!

[@sallyofstuart9702]

I love thinking of this what if Scotland went though with the treaty like would Marry still have Married Francis or get executed bye Mary I, what do you think would of happened and I have another question is Jacob Abbets Mary Queen of Scots book a good source or is a incorrect victorian book

[@ladywolvertonsdenduringqau8603]

Bought ur book yesterday

[@anneboleynfiles]

Thank you! I do hope you enjoy it!

[@ladywolvertonsdenduringqau8603]

The Anne Boleyn Files and Tudor Society already finished it was amazing 😉

[@nibs8837]

Wonderfully interesting! But "hostages"? Was it common at that time to have hostages as part of a treaty?

[@anneboleynfiles]

I'm not entirely sure!

[@timramsey5800]

Very interesting

[@montrelouisebohon-harris7023]

Honestly, that was a crappy Dowry for Edward to marry a queen in her own right! King Henry the 8th ball far more expensive Jewels for his hussy wife and the other one that was playing hard-to-get games for a couple of months until Henry had an executed because of Lies. Goodness gracious Mary's mom should have stood up for a whole lot more of a dowry than that.. I'm very familiar with the rough wooing..but I had no idea that part of Henry's a marital Alliance for Edward and Mary was for 3 Earls from Scotland to be hostages in England until the treaty was carried out and Maryn& Edward were wed. That's barbaric and typical Henry the 8th tyranny..

[@ItsJustLisa]

Do you think that the fact that Edward and Mary never got the chance to be wed, as first cousins once removed, may have helped “thin the blood”, as it were, in Europe for a bit? When you look at what all of the damage that inbreeding did to the Hapsburgs, it’s rather frightening.

[@censusgary]

The Rough Wooing: “Marry my son or I’ll invade your country.” Our excuses for wars are different now, but mostly not any better.

[@twiley3530]

Wow fascinating. And they had a war over a boy that would have never made it to marriage. And Mary wad such a ditz. History, the best stories ever.

[@territ7952]

What was the proper age for those with arranged marriages to consummate????? Some were so young, thanks again lady claire🇬🇧💕🇬🇧💕🇬🇧💕

[@isobelduncan]

Back then children were practically considered adults once they reached puberty. Margaret Beaufort (Henry VIII's grandmother) was 14 when she had Henry VII. His wife Elizabeth of York was about 15 when she had her first son Prince Arthur.

[@madeleinelewis2213]

Coming from Dorothy Dunnett for some general background!

[@pollydolly9723]

I love the name!

[@jessicarichards217]

Cool

[@bbrjmr]

Where's the link?

[@anneboleynfiles]

Sorry, I forgot to add it, but it's there now.

[@tenderheartedindividual9510]

Hey Claire do you think it's fair that Elizabeth executed Mary of Scots? I personally think Mary had a right to feel the way she felt although her acting on it was a bit much. No one wants to be on good behavior and still never be free or see their child for a lifetime. I feel like she really should've received mercy and understanding. But instead Elizabeth had her head taken off with multiple blows.

[@kamrunsultana4338]

Mary plotted to kill Elizabeth multiple times

[@anneboleynfiles]

From a modern perspective, I don't think that Elizabeth should have executed anyone, but I'm not sure that Elizabeth in the time she was living had much choice after Mary had been implicated in plots. She'd tried imprisoning her, and that hadn't worked, and Scotland didn't want to deal with her.

[@tenderheartedindividual9510]

@@kamrunsultana4338 Really? What else did she do? My sources are internet and KZbin limited which I learned is not always accurate or complete. I learned that she gave Elizabeth gifts and that she wasn't very smart and lost her 👑 due to some very poor decision making. Then she fled to England hoping that Elizabeth would help her is what one had said. I think she did plot against her multiple times in the series reign although that series wasn't completely accurate either.

[@tenderheartedindividual9510]

@@anneboleynfiles There's only one plot I know of for sure. What are the other ones if you don't mind?

[@jandrews6254]

Why would Henry want a marriage between his son and his niece? The consanguinity is what he used to divorce

[@beth7935]

Son & great-niece actually, but still, eugh. And as for "consanguinity" being why he divorced Catherine... well, he'd had 22 years to think about it, & didn't mention it til he fell in love with Anne, sooo... Royalty & the nobility were always marrying their cousins, & this did end up meaning they had a possible "get out of jail free" card if things went badly in some way.

[@isobelduncan]

It was partially so he could gain control of Scotland.

[@marymoriarity2555]

Usually I enjoy these videos. Not thi time. Too dry no wonder British royals isre bobble heads today.

[@anneboleynfiles]

Ok! I've never heard the expression "bobble heads", what does that mean?

[@shannoncochran187]

Edward couldn’t & wouldn’t even tolerate his oldest 1/2 sister being Catholic. How would he have ever gotten on with a Catholic wife? ..I doubt very much that he would’ve.. Henry VIII either didn’t think about or didn’t care how his break w/ Rome & the beginning of The Church Of England would affect making marriage matches for his children. Although I’m not sure Henry ever put any true or serious thought into marriages for either of his daughters. He certainly didn’t try to match The Lady Mary (poor thing). Didn’t he actually turn down proposals for her? I realize that Elizabeth was younger & also illegitimate but still..it seems if he could’ve used her for a good match he would’ve done so. But as far as Edward Prince Of Wales & Mary Of Scotland are concerned-even as young children I don’t think it would’ve ever been a good match bc of their religious differences.

[@6falconsue]

Shannon Hubbard I agree with you that Edward and Mary QOS would have not made a good match, particularly because of religious differences. Also I think their personalities were quite the opposite. Edward was scholarly and serious, Mary the hopeless romantic.

[@stephenferguson9756]

Didn't the treaty say that Mary would have English tutors? Perhaps, she wouldn't have been a strong Catholic in this timeline depending on what her English tutors believed religiously.

[@--enyo--]

If she had stayed in Scotland rather than going to France early in her life she might have been Protestant anyway.

[@SafetySpooon]

@@--enyo-- Exactly. But since Edward *also* died early, & most likely before he would have consummated the marriage, I'm not sure that there'd be too big a difference in the history - except that Mary might have tried to take the thrones instead of Mary Tudor!

[@montrelouisebohon-harris7023]

Agree!! That's why I don't understand why the English were so upset about Scotland breaking this treaty or Alliance for Mary Queen of Scots to marry Edward because Mary was religious tolerance but Edward was not at all. Mary Queen of Scots was a beautiful, tal, intelligent, outgoing and very athletic brilliant/ clever woman; but she was not going to have anybody tell her what to do.