June 2019 From Shore to Sea Lecture: Earliest Human Migrations to North America

During a special lecture on June 3, 2019, Dr. Todd Braje discussed how his latest research at Santa Rosa Island, both on land and undersea, informs us of the earliest human migrations into the New World.

[@sharonhearne5014]

One interesting fact from the Texas Gulf Coast was an article I read that one of the largest private collections of Clovis points has come from a man who finds these points washing up onshore from a state park beach site now underwater near Port Arthur, Texas. As in the case of the Channel Islands we now realize how much archeology has been obscured and possibly lost to history due to rising coastal waters which have so altered coastal land masses/land land bridges.

[@alexburke1899]

There’s lots of oil companies that drill through sediments to get to bedrock and sometimes they donate the sediment cores to scientists, but overall I think they mostly get discarded unless the oil company geologist somehow knows it might hold significance to another field. The obvious issue with that is a mineral exploration geologist probably isn’t also a specialist in human migration patterns or whatever the useful science in the cores might be besides petroleum indicators. So I imagine there’s a ton of lost science in the sediment cores they toss especially from areas like Bering sea and Gulf of Mexico. I think an oil company knew about the huge meteor impact crater in the Gulf of Mexico and the carboniferous shelf it hit, 20 years before it was publicly discovered by different scientists looking for a major impact.

[@SamtheIrishexan]

Yeah since the plates are subduing we should be massively ramping uo underwater archeology. Central Texas was a major Clovid manufacturing area. I have found broken clovis points and a ton of debitage in a park that the archeologists said wasn't worth protecting. I wonder if they would think that if they saw all the stuff that washes into the drainage to go under the street because that's what they were building. I think that there was Clovis occupation in the Northwest and Midwest as well as Pacific coast but they were all wiped off the map by the younger dryas cataclysm. The distribution of clovis points easily is missing the areas where Randall Carlson suggests a mega flood happened that drained a huge amount if the ice sheet.

[@steventhompson399]

Younger dryas doesn't seem to have been a "cataclysm" or global catastrophe, it mostly effected north America and Europe and the large flooding and freshwater drainage did not completely obliterate everything everywhere. There's been clovis stuff found near Wenatchee WA in the area flooded by Lake Missoula discharge. There's no reason to think some widespread Atlantis culture ever existed, it's a baseless fantasy

[@randomconsumer4494]

This guy has been a breath of fresh air, thank you.

[@jameswells554]

What I don't understand is why so many Academics insist on an either/or mindset when it comes to the Peopling of the Americas. Especially given the fact that we know archaic people were obviously capable of seafaring. The Red Paint People whose sites were originally found in Maine and the Maritime Provinces had burial practices that were identicle to those of people in early Neolithic Europe at that time, and were capable of deep sea fishing and hunting sea mammals as evidenced by their polished slate hooks, harpoon heads, and gouges for wood working. It's pretty obvious The Americas were populated from both sides at various times.

[@michaelfoulkes9502]

I think you are right. The first Americans came over in boats. The coastal migration theory is much more likely than overland. About 20% of the native Americans before Columbus had DNA from Europe or the Middle East.

[@matthewtopping2061]

@@michaelfoulkes9502 Source? I'm very curious about where this DNA evidence comes from.

[@JamesSmith-by3qy]

@@matthewtopping2061 It was X2a but researchers found X2a in Siberia also, though.

[@JamesSmith-by3qy]

@@michaelfoulkes9502 They found X2a in Siberia also, though.

[@johneyon5257]

there's evidence for coastal and even some underwater sites on the west coast - none on the east coast - to claim that cuz the people from asia could do it - it is not scientific to infer that the europeans did it too claiming migration from europe based on the much later red paint people - you cited the fact that the red paint indians had deep sea artifacts that suggested seafaring capability - and they may have shared burial customs with europeans - BUT THAT IMPLIES that the red paint indians did the migrating back and forth - not the europeans - to assert cuz the indians could do it - the europeans MUST HAVE is unscientific - for science you need evidence for the europeans migration - not wishful thinking DNA analyses aren't helping your cause

[@tonkatoytruck]

23,000 year old footprints in White Sands, New Mexico make the search for coastal settlements even more important. We obviously were in the Americas long beofere the Large Glacial Maximum disappeared. Denisovan DNA found in high percentages among the Polyponesian people and the idea that the world was settled in Asia first and aboriginal peoples are probacbly the first to populate the world via boats.

[@MrLuridan]

Unfortunately, all those coastal settlements are underwater. So much evidence lost.

[@mikeylatteri]

Any updates on what the cores found??

[@mhendu00ify]

I was really hoping this had been answered.

[@PlayNowWorkLater]

Great presentation, supporting the demise of the Clovis First paradigm. I love the research going into exploring the coastline, despite the difficulties of having tondo underwater excavations. Good stuff!

[@rogersledz6793]

Thank you for a very interesting and informative presentation. I really learned a lot. Please continue to update us on future discoveries.

[@michaelcarley9866]

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[@rogersledz6793]

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[@renatoconsollaro3134]

Very nice, we need a update!

[@caseyjude5472]

This was an excellent presentation. Thanks for taking the time to film & upload so we can all have access to these discoveries & the opportunity to learn about your work. I’m poor, so I don’t get to travel & will never visit these islands (or Peru, or Chile).

[@savage22bolt32]

In grammar school, a teacher once told me I could travel anywhere just by picking up a book. I have read many books in my life, but now in old age, you tube seems to be my travel enabler.

[@anderslangoks3813]

Thanks for this.

[@kokanee2010a]

Already getting skeptical minutes in and nowhere is wally's beach in southern alberta near waterton. i will continue to watch what else was added or omitted

[@kevinberrien745]

Excellent presentation.

[@dianespears6057]

Extremely interesting. Thank you.

[@knutthompson7879]

The migrations to the Americas are much more complicated then was imagined. Not that it was "wrong" before. The ice corridor made sense with what we thought we knew. But humans are more clever than that. Give them a 1000 years, they can get to South America without waiting for ice to melt.

[@richardcrighton8079]

which channel islands? not between france and england i suppose.

[@janwag6856]

Islands off the coast of Southern California .

[@matthewtopping2061]

When you say "11,000 years ago", for example, do you mean 11,000BCE or 9,000BCE?

[@bbfoto7248]

"BP"...Before Present.

[@dianespears6057]

Very interesting. Thank you.

[@lebowskiduderino89]

right right right right lord help me right

[@yodieyuh6077]

Good ups.

[@martyhinnenkamp1]

P.S. I never learned a thing I NEVER believed Clovis first not even in High School

[@andrewpiazza1028]

don't forget the salmon runs. I can imagine the ancients migrating slowly as seasonal seafood became available.

[@westho7314]

My grandmother told me of salmon running up Malibu creek in North LA and farther south up Santa Ana river in Orange County, when she was young around 1910, also Redwood trees grew on the coast down south as far as Malibu of coarse those were all clear cut by 100 years ago.

[@Rockhoundingcolorado]

Well I have 1000s of pre clivis sites within a 122 mile area. In san luis valley, yes Denovision neandertal was here, first. And in the 1000s.

[@dude477]

When 2-mile thick, massive ice sheets sat on top of most of the lands of Northern Europe & Canada/Alaska, the crust of the Earth was deformed quite a bit. I would assume as the land was pushed down under the ice, other glacier free areas were lifted considerably. I would not be surprised to learn Early Human was living on lands during the Glacial Maximum that today are covered by a thousand feet of water or more, given sea level rise & the crust rounding itself out after the sheets melted. And of course, Early Human was successfully living in very cold climates, just as many are happy to still do today. Humankind was confirmed to be using dog powered sleds by at least 7,500 BCE, but I would suggest it was likely much earlier. Wherever there was relatively flat, snow packed land along the edges of oceans, Humanity was likely making a good life.

[@johnbryant8603]

🙏🏽♥️🇲🇽 brilliant. Thank you

[@rfwhyte]

Something I find particularly interesting, yet no one seems to want to talk about, is the fact there's clear genetic evidence the current indigenous population of North America came to the Americas no earlier than around 15kya, yet there's also strong archaeological evidence there were people in the Americas 22kya+, possibly as far back as 30kya+, yet we don't see any any evidence of admixture in the genetics of the current indigenous population with any other populations, so what happened to the first wave(s) of peoples who settled the Americas? It's almost like the current indigenous population of the Americas "Colonized" the lands of some other population themselves, entirely destroying and displacing the earlier population in the process.

[@kokanee2010a]

those islands are not tsunami proof and no mention of plate tetonics which may produce the result of what it is today . sea shells on top of the himalayans is a shocking revelation .

[@pat8988]

You must not have watched the whole video. He mentioned tsunamis at about 54:05.

[@metalmullisha68]

Right? Right. He's speaking a unique dialect of Californian. Right? See SNL The Californians

[@biodieselish]

Great. but REPEAT THE QUESTIONS

[@FacesintheStone]

I spent three weeks ransacking an ancient site here in North Carolina that’s being ignored before I realized what I was doing. Now I’m doing everything I can to get it recognized but no one really cares.

[@FacesintheStone]

Everybody gave me credit for getting it all the way to the assistant to the state archaeologist here in North Carolina. It’s a bird Effigy site and everything around it is shaped like a bird, there are few arrow points or weapons. It was some type of holy site. Is there anyway you can send help? The local new station says they’ll run the story if I can just get one archaeologist to verify a few of my artifacts. The profile picture is a photo realistic face on a large arrowhead I found, I’m pretty sure that’s easy to say yeah that’s artifact. It’s a clay sites I’ve actually got a full wooden bow, Spearpoints and knife blades as well as traditional digging tools.

[@noraloaf]

@@FacesintheStone Archaeology student here! My advice is to go to your local university and find a professor who would be willing to talk to you about it. Then they can get some grad students involved, and bam! You've got interested people. They can speak with representatives from the local tribes who might very well have issues with the site being investigated, and if the tribes say no, the whole thing may be canceled, which wouldn't be suitable for research opportunities and investigation but would be the correct ethical route. Another option is to talk to your local historical society. They sometimes have archaeological contacts, and they would be happy to talk t you about the site. All in all, that sounds like an absolutely fantastic find, and I hope people are as intrigued by it as you are! Thank you for paying back the archaeological community after looting, and realizing what you did was wrong. Looting is worryingly common and can lead to the destruction of many sites.

[@doktortutankamazon31]

Paradigms continue. The Inuit and The Dorset did not require a Bering Strait landmass or an ice free corridor. They also did not require an ice free coastal route. Why would they need these exclusively earlier in time? It takes centuries to make a sudden ice free corridor able to sustain megafauna. I think these paradigm is so entrenched that it will never be abandoned. They didn't use what was not locally available. Academia will always be limited and lacking in this topic.

[@ctmhcoloradotreasureminehu8385]

White Sands New Mexico, humans dated to 22-23 thousand years ago.

[@nmarbletoe8210]

yes! This means we have to look at the kelp highway and also the ice-free corridor pre-LGM.

[@SamtheIrishexan]

A couple observations. I think we dont find Clovis in the West because of the younger dryas cataclysm flooding and wiping out a huge swathe of land. That's why they are found in the south and east. The alternative is Clovis came from the east. Just like the Pacific the Atlantic could have been navigated taking Greenland, Iceland, Canadian route.

[@TonyTrupp]

There was no younger dryas cataclysm. The pacific northwest scablands were formed by glacial dams breaking and flooding the landscape, but those date back to 18000 years ago, and occurred over dozens of floods, not corresponding with the younger dryas period. Those floods only occurred about as far south as eugene oregon. The younger dryas catastrophe is sci-fi for gullible people who aren’t well versed in the actual geologic & archeological evidence.

[@Rico-Suave_]

Watching 7:18

[@modulator7861]

Re: "Where do we see most of the Clovis points?" (In the EAST)... I disagree. While today WE have the benefit of maps, the incoming "south-bound" Clovis tribes did NOT. From their POV they had to choose between going "left" (East) or "right" (West)... Maybe after their long trek, they simply saw the Rockies as a barrier, so they chose to go East, toward the smoother, flatter, fertile plains/savanna...

[@nmarbletoe8210]

The map of clovis sites looks like a map of modern population density.

[@thetroof5525]

So, were they wrong to come and take the land?

[@ThePhoenix109]

Yes

[@raymondlugo6684]

You sound worried

[@thetroof5525]

@Raymond Lugo Let me translate that for you. "Yes, they were wrong, but I can't admit it, so I'll say something stupid"

[@noelbryant8237]

why do you live on a fault zone?

[@metalmullisha68]

The weather

[@joeshmoe8345]

Very interesting post, thanks for sharing! But I wish the speaker didn’t snap his tongue so often! It makes me irrationally irritated and it’s hard to watch when it’s happening so so often :[ I don’t know why thats even a thing it’s annoying as dog crap. Any way good stuff I hope the tongue clicking can stop or be heavily reduced for the next speaking engagement.

[@baref1959]

if you cant find primitive life at ucsb? god bless you. IV is def proof the paleolithic survives.

[@happytrees4734]

Interesting primitive tattooing and body modification practices happening in the School of Liberal Arts.

[@westho7314]

Much deserved topic to pursue. Aside from the speaker reassuring himself and his convictions by saying "right" so many times in the hour, and the constant patting of his own head, messing with his wig, combover or real hair. is a bit distracting or odd vanity habit.. But back on topic of early migrations & submarine archeology, I hear and have read found so little about the coastal area between North San Diego county and Southern Orange County especially around La Jolla and Scripps where there has been so much artifactual evidence found submerged in 15'- 100' ++ depths, Literally hundreds of stone bowls, metates, manos and lithics found and documented at various depths by both recreational divers and archeologists alike. As a teenager we surfed & snorkeled/ skin dived/ dove that area alot, finding the same stone bowls, metates and occasionally larger stone lithics like hand axes, choppers and cores. The Bluffs onshore above the shoreline starting at the rocky shoreline at Corona Del Mar, Laguna Camp Penelton & down to Scripps is a treasure trove of archeological material eroding from all levels of strata in those tall bluffs,. though unfortunately so much has been lost to coastal development.

[@Less1leg2]

I'm sorry but Academics try to package their version without room for discussions. Dennis Stanford and others have been saying for years, the evidence of the Siberian Land Bridge is not so stand pat perfect. Stanford and others have found human existence inconsistent with the Siberian Land Bridge into North America concept. The tools made and crafted are not consistent with the Siberian Source peoples method of tool making. What I'm picking up is the Ice Age Glaciation wiped out a lot of evidence in the Grand Water Releases or Floods. The North American Ice Sheet must have released monumental amounts of fast floods wiping away most if not all existence. I don't believe modern scientists can accept the magnitude of such water releases. Those flood blew away thousands of miles of earth and anything on top. Dennis Stanford regularly said, he has not yet found evidence on the West coast yet of human occupation older than this discoveries on the East coast North Florida regions. What Dennis did show quite clearly in his field studies. People were here long before the Siberians came. He showed tools, he showed fires pits, he showed occupation. The he showed an event occurred, 12,800 years ago. Then there was nothing for a long time of human occupation. Then he showed evidence of humans, but the tools were never the same nor quality of the previous Clovis/Solutrean people. Dennis later went on in another video to say, "if only I could get to eastern Siberia. I could find the tool makers". Then Soviet Russian ended, and the eastern Siberian region was opened up for research exploration. Dennis never found any similar tool makers as the Clovis/Solutrean people tool making. He only found similar to the western European people. That's where this lies, in debate, tool makers teach students their method and these students teach their next generation of students this technique in tool making. Dennis Stanford's argument is or was. No Siberian Tribe Tool Makers crafted these similar Clovis/Solutrean tools exactly the same way, teacher to student. I think its consistent, North America had other peoples here long before Native Tribes via Siberia entered the continent. South America equally could have had human existence as well not consistent with the out of Siberia traditional story line of habitation. But there is one absolute story to be said, 12,800 years ago some monumental event occurred and caused a mass extinction. There were humans in North America at that time, but like other large fauna. They too could not survive in great numbers to flourish. The Ice Age ended sufficient enough to permit Siberian Tribes to move into the void. Which they did, and their remnants are still here. Ancestry.com DNA testing proves this out.

[@akiranara9392]

Thanks for this. Proto-Japanese Hokkaido, reached from south, had adapted to the life in cold weather since 30,000 BP, should be paid more attention in coastal migration theory. After Hokkaido island, Chishima(Kril) islands could be seen one by one along Kelp Highway and people could have supported by rich food there. Beringia had stopped cold water of the Arctic Pole in that era and sea was continued to that of Hawaii. sunda-wind.net

[@Less1leg2]

@@akiranara9392 dennis mentioned likewise this could be very well true. but coastal california due to earthquakes ruins history

[@johneyon5257]

Sep 2021 - a research article reported that human footprints found in the White Sands Nat'l Park in New Mexico (darn near the west coast) were dated to 21 to 23,000 cal yrs BP - that busts the clovis first theory - which hasn't been the paradigm for some time anyway - and allows sites on the east coast to be american indians descended from the Beringians - and confirmed by DNA Stanford's solutrean hypothesis was always based on shaky evidence - such as the find of a mastadon head and a clovis point in a dredge pile from the seafloor - it's not possible to conclude 2 artifacts found encased in stone are of the same age (eg 2 skulls found in a Greek cave - inches apart in the same rock - yet lived thousands of years apart) - and unreliable if found in loose soil - yet Stanford based his hypothesis on the coincidence of 2 artifacts found in a dredge pile - from the turbulent seafloor - which were not even observed in situ - that's poor science - but perfect wishful thinking

[@randomconsumer4494]

I don't think will ever really KNOW. At least people aren't stuck on 1930, basically imagining shit and calling it facts. We live in a fantastic time!

[@engineersteveo9886]

How do you know bow and arrow appeared only 1500 years ago ? That’s likely far too recent. My guess is that is more like 5000 years ago or older

[@PeteV80]

Crazy how fast the data on this is changing with genetics. This is two years old and very outdated

[@arbez101]

The lecturers tone strongly emphasizes his desire to convince. Notice what words he strongly emphasizes, and how often he follows his statements with "Right?" I'm writing this at only 26 minutes in, and so far none of the "paradigm changing" evidence has been substantiated. Science is science. If there's good, strong, unambiguous evidence; we should continue to follow the leads, but I think there's too much speculation in the hypothesis he's supposing.

[@bw6538]

Haven’t found any DNA from native Americans to match DNA from Asia

[@cindyleehaddock3551]

Thought they have...saw that on PBS a few years back, so should be on KZbin.

[@cruisedance979]

@@cindyleehaddock3551 It must be B W doesn’t know how to search

[@johneyon5257]

there's no dispute about the american DNA deriving from asia - they can even pin point certain areas in asia

[@bw6538]

@@johneyon5257 haven’t found that anywhere haven’t seen anyone with the same skin pigmentation or facial bone structure from Asia that looks like native Americans maybe Eskimos

[@johneyon5257]

@@bw6538 - LOL!!! - FALSE

[@engineersteveo9886]

Bottom line, the first migrations were along the coast and the people were using “boats”

[@executivesteps]

Pretty good talk and subject. But PLEASE work on deleting your verbal tic of saying “right” after every second or third sentence!

[@ChrisSmith-ev7xz]

Enjoyed the video, but if this guy says “ahh” one more time I might croak..

[@rockets4kids]

Right!

[@madcat624128]

Why would you even SAY that?! I might have slipped right on by without picking up on that, but NOOOOO! You had to go and do it, didn't ya?!

[@madcat624128]

DAMNIT!!!

[@npickle54]

@@madcat624128 I feel the same lul

[@itomas]

I tried to enjoy the video but was distracted by his saying, "right?" so often..as though whatever he says is acknowledged fact.

[@pjryan365]

Information is wonderful! Too many “Ahh’s”. Needs work on lecture skills. Thank you.

[@peterwaksman9179]

I am not going to bother to listen to your ideas. You obviously live on the west coast.

[@cruisedance979]

I feel same way it is not worth listen this video. Maybe he trying to finish his thesis or theories.

[@Rockhoundingcolorado]

AND TELL THE INUT PEOPLE THE CANT LIVE IN A SEA OF SNOW AND COLD? THEY DONT SEEm TO Know THEY CANT?

[@kenlounders5399]

So archaeologist were racist? I was about to listen to this guy . But glad I didn’t.

[@forrestw.6704]

I’m saying this as a very anti-woke conservative: there was definitely a hint of racism in first trying to determine when people arrived in the Americas. As said, it was easier to dismiss the indigenous land claims if they had only been here 3,000 years instead of 15,000.

[@jant4741]

People could sail to Hawaii just another hop to mainland America. Phoenicians were here too. Time to drop the Vatican centric truncated human story as has become laughable.

[@sonofdamocles]

Hey, I'm just some stupid Layman, but why is it that California has like 27 Indigenous language FAMILIES but the rest of the Americas has gigantic swaths of language families? Can some cunning linguist please look into that? It just seems really weird that the genetic nerds suggest different diffusion patterns than languages in stable climatic zones might suggest. Again, I'm a stupid idiot that didn't go through your college/ academic system, but it just seems really weird if you look at a language family map of the Americas as to why that part of the pacific coast would be so special. As a local I could suggest some areas to look at, but I don't yet have the training to deal with them. properly. I'd look near lake Tulare and some coastal mountains for the "earliest" habitations of NA that you could dig. Anyhow, again, I'm a dumb fuck, just talking turds about migratory bird habitats and were there are caves and such. Lion Canyon. I'd look around there if I were a nerd looking to make a name for myself. HMU.