Juno-X vs. System-8: Matching Sounds (Juno 106 Models)

[@MRTUNA]

Whats your favourite VST in a box?? System-8 or Juno-X?? -JunoX has much better keybed and buildquality with much more modern effects. Way nicer overall experience, lots more layers and polyphony - sound not as deeply modelled. -System8 has a deeper interface with a more detailed and nuanced sound, but without the same 'playability' or quality to it. very light weight, keybed doesnt compare.

[@lordpooptrain]

Dumb question: Why do people keep referring to the Juno-X as a VST in a box? Isn't every digital synth technically a VST in hardware form? Thanks!

[@MRTUNA]

@@lordpooptrain yeah im just trying to show how dumb it is. its people trying to find something to considera against it because its not analog. basically all digital synths are vsts in a box but people need something to cry about

[@NoxBoxdy]

OMG! It sounds so much richer and fuller. ;-) I want a system 8m still. Don't need but want.

[@ErraticFaith]

For the player (me) I have little practical use for the Sys8 framework. Any questionable (opinion) orientated sonic variable - for a lone unit - doesn't exist. Since in my case, it's a mix with numerous other artists. Depending on the absurdity of the lead guitarist; I am lucky if I am counted as present at all lol. But I will again commend you for drawing attention to the real elements Roland wanted to bring focus to - the user. People don't give enough credit to themselves as a variable. They are often too buried in the spec sheets to even take note. Of whether or not the writing on the page - will materialize into music at their fingertips. The phrasing; 'VST in a box' - and you'll have to forgive me, as I am Asian and not a native speaker - reads to us as to be worded as an insult. Not a descriptor. It's how Roland engineers will take it. Not because the unit cannot be compared as such. Rather; that the motive is not a statement in that light. It's also ignorant. Of the fact than Zen-C architecture was purposefully designed in a family nature; to link and augment devices. Not render them identical or waste your time or money. Just as Xm is a vastly different user target than the larger JX. So too is a performance homage with streamlined focus, different from them both again. It's not assumed that you will want all three. I use the reference, that the same applies to the different sizes of ASM Hydrasynth from neighboring HK. You can use multiple - and the engines indeed branch across devices. Would you say that the Desktop, Explorer or Deluxe of their units however are all meant for the same exact end user? Please see the units as individually purposed. For a very specific player. The addition of the family architecture; is to offer artists more. Both in a future facing away; as well as an enhancement on the unit/family that was before.

[@subzsystemant7923]

The System 8 is the best synthesiser in the history of the world ever, nothing else comes close (well it would be if it had a metronome on the sequencer... counting 64 beats in time jeez louise 😆).

[@fmartins777]

Both sounds great, but here I guess is hands down to SYSTEM8, to me it's the most underrated Roland synth from the last year's.

[@MRTUNA]

Honestly I LOVE the system-8. its just a flat out great sounding synth.

[@mac651000]

@@MRTUNA if you could have only one of the two synths, which one would it be?

[@MRTUNA]

Things get hellishly loud by the end and blowup my whole system so pls forgive me for that, this was my 3rd day trying to make this work with minimal creator error so I just went with it 🤷‍♀

[@DNGMaestro]

Good work Tuna man!

[@psychoticgiraffe]

when I heard that I actually thought that the synths were broken because normally synths don't suddenly get hellishly loud lol, i'm not sure what it is but the synths sound really cold in this demo and don't have any analog warmth, but then again, they are digital synths

[@AslakSkarderud]

Great video, the patch you «made» at de end is now my start-up patch on the system-8. Keep up the good work on making videos about synths, especially the system-8

[@briansherling5515]

I own The 8 and it truly is one of the most under-rated and in some cases Hated synths of the last ten years and all because it’s too light? Too green? You detractors are spending way too much for synths that weigh too much! I’ve dropped my system 8 and it survived. Drop a Rev2 and call me back! Seriously. YIU CAN TURN OFF OR DIM THE GREEN LIGHTS! I really would love too see Roland make a system 16. Maybe same lighted controls scheme but a softer tone. I love the light personally! And so does the audience who think I’ve come from the future!!

[@kekethetoad]

System 8 sounds like it has more sizzle and harmonics up high, where as the juno x has more harmonic richness, lushness and 'colour' in the mids. The juno x kinda sounds more transparent but flat while the system 8 is fatter and punchier. The system 8 has a beefier low freq but the juno x bass sounds more 'organic' and authentic - albeit weaker. They both have subtle digital sounding giveaways in different areas at times. Ultimately it's like they both have different pieces of the pie that they really nail it, so a combination of both theor strengths would be great. I really like how aggressive the 8 can sound, it's quite unique.

[@mertongoldfein6445]

The juno x sounds smoother musically and S8 slightly raw - both works in a track!

[@alexwest909]

...proceeds to show us how acb sounds better than zen

[@DS-nw4eq]

I can’t tell

[@andivax]

Lol. ACB all the way 💛💙

[@alexwest909]

@@DS-nw4eq I envy you

[@b2zap665]

@@alexwest909seriously. Listen to the filter on ACB. Sounds so damn good. Really hope Roland brings ACB back. The zen core stuff does not cut it sound wise.👎

[@KordTaylor]

Thank you so much for this. It was exactly what I was looking for in a timely fashion and you are are totally upfront about each units’ pros and cons. That’s why I Subscribe 😃

[@MRTUNA]

really glad to help!

[@JimDaneker]

Well done as always, brother. Personally, I ADORE my System 8 and I honestly think it’s one of the best hardware synths of the last decade. I even have grown to love the look of it with the aluminum sides. It totally nails the soul of Roland’s analog icons, and it’s one stop shopping when I want a JP8, Juno 106, or Juno 60 - not to mention the System 8’s own native engine which is superb. Having said all that, I have really fallen hard for the new 3.0 update for the Jupiter X, which has left my jaw on the floor. It’s a whole new synth, and a fantastic one at that. Totally has its own merits. It’s easy to see that the Juno-X is the same story, and I could easily justify having all 3. 😁

[@MRTUNA]

Awesome call on all that! System8 was really wowing me through this whole demo

[@patsonmusic]

I think there is too much overlap between the Xs, but I can see the purpose if S8 in the studio. Live it is same, same, noone will hear the difference between Xs, S8 or even the Jino-106 on stage.

[@glennbucc7107]

They both sound great but I like the controls much better on the Juno X especially with the chorus button right on the top right.

[@cyberfennek]

The Juno X looks beautiful and its polophony

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

Great comparison brother!! Like the camera angle as well. Another great video.

[@MRTUNA]

the first time i did this i had auto focus on and i ruined an **amazing** take (much better than this one hahaha) where it just kept focusing on my hair instead of the keyboard. I was devastated.

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

@@MRTUNA haha damn, the invisible tribulation of the videographer. Still turned out great though man.

[@prospectnyc]

Great comparison! Thanks for doing this. My vote is for the System 8. I’d love to see them make an mk2 of the system 8.

[@MRTUNA]

I cant decide if it would be called the System-16, the System-64, or the System-80 I have dreams of it some nights

[@fmartins777]

System-16 pure ACB (no ZenCore), 8 plugouts instead of 4, 61keys with aftertouch, RGB leds (configurable), 16 voices... 4 parts, better vocoder,10-12 kilos. Take my money Roland! .

[@lellocaliendo4121]

System 8 much better, let's not joke, the ACB project was a real innovation. in juno x we ​​have the same models that we find in all Zen core models

[@JimijaymesProductions]

Roland are so confusing in their selling, on one hand they say ACB is the best modelling and then they say the JUNO-X is the closest but then talk about Zen Core so much which they say isn't as good as ACB. Both sound kinda good to me and I like the expandability of Zen but the parallel modelling techniques is confusing and even more so in the plugin range where there is both Zen and Legendary versions of the same synths.

[@downpatmusic]

Great AB Comparison. Yea, I guess it comes down to the Juno X has the layering, polyphony etc... But they way you compare them with the Juno 106 model they sound the same.

[@Rightly_Divided]

I like both of them. I have a system 8. If Roland made a model expansion of the system 8 that would be cool. As far as sound comparison. I'd say getting a Juno-X is up to preference. If you have a system 8 I'd say you really don't need to bother unless you just need a couple key features or design.

[@MRTUNA]

agreeed! system-8 is a different beast for different use but still covers almost all of the same bases

[@CyberGene]

Very nice sound at the end of the video! Have you tried the DeepMind and do you think one can approach the same sound on it? I've never tried it but since it's a clone/inspired by Juno, maybe it's a Juno on the budget?

[@Jason75913]

Hear for yourself: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWKyo4B7a9xqpLM

[@roggyo]

You have great presentations! Which synth would you recommend to me System 8 or Sequential Take 5? I see that you have Prophet 6 and OB6, so they should be a bit similar to Take 5. Otherwise I have Jupiter Xm, but System 8 sound has more presence in some YT videos. One thing that makes me hesitate is that ppl who tried System 8 and Jupiter X or Xm and Juno X, say that FX section in System 8 is not as good as FX in Jupiter X/Xm and Juno X. In addition to that System 8 doesn’t have JX-8P emulation, which is one of my favorite synths in Jupiter Xm. It has JX-3p, but it’s limited comparing to JX-8P, which sounds very different - melancholic and dark and it’s excellent for lush pads, strings, analog pianos, bells etc. And JX-8P has more modulation possibilities than JX-3P and in some aspects even than Jupiter 8, because except to filter and amp, you can attach velocity to pitch, comparing to the other Roland classic synths that can be found as emulations in Jupiter X/Xm and Juno X. But on the other hand System 8 has SH-2 and System 100 mono synths as plug outs and since I don’t have any mono synth, maybe System 8 could cover me mono synths with mentioned plug outs. So I’m really confused what is better for me, System 8 or Take 5. Except Jupiter Xm, I have a Hydrasynth as well. So which synth would you suggest me System 8 or Sequential Take 5, or which synth do you personally like more System 8, or Sequential Prophet 6? And finally is the difference in sound between System 8 and Jupiter/Juno X really that huge? When I say difference in sound, I don’t mean only about emulations of classic synths, but sound quality in general. 🙂

[@MatthewTomich]

You should find a store and try them, as that's the only way to get an answer about what you think is important to you. The System 8 was my favorite, but it really depends on what you're looking for.

[@digitaldiezel5870]

Still listening but 5 minutes in the Juno has a way more pleasing sound across the entire range of the keyboard. Looking good for the Juno! (Time passing) Listening for a bit longer…the sounds are so similar if you already have a System 8, a Juno would just be redundant. I think the Juno-X would look great next to my P5 module. Great post!!

[@MRTUNA]

The JunoX is just such a nice keyboard to play. It doesn't really show here but the System-8 just doesn't have that same ultra-playable keyboard to it, and that makes a big difference for me.

[@skinmech4851]

My thoughts on the playability and my reason for selling my system 8 it sounds great but lacks the playability without aftertouch a strange omission by Roland. Also was thinking how selling my Fantom 8 will allow me to have a good setup with the Juno X and a P5 on the same rig.

[@digitaldiezel5870]

@@skinmech4851 Ah! Nice! In some ways this combination covers the same types of sounds, but I feel like mixing the digital and analog elements together would be outstanding. I'm also thinking about selling some gear to get the Juno-X.

[@lorenmorgan1931]

The Juno X, or rather the Zen line have way more dynamics than the System 8 or ACB line. To me, and I have been complaining about this since I first got my hands on System 8 several years back, it sounds like someone forced its output through a brickwall limiter, making its dynamics sound completely lifeless and flat. I always added hardware expansion to compensate, but the Zen line, sounds full of life out of the box. Also Zens Condition and Pitch (digital aging/instability) controls are light-years beyond that of ACB, again a huge deal if you have ever actually owned or even played a real analog synth. To me the Juno is without a doubt the way to go, and if you aren't sure, do a roland cloud trial, and try the Zen Engine Juno, vs the ACB (System 8) Juno plugin. Both have identical code to their real counterparts, and I can almost bet within minutes you will see and feel what I mean. :) Also test out the Jupiter and others Zen vs ACB. Remember too with Juno X you also get many other modeled synths and a Rompler from hell!

[@jansonrawlings8169]

@@lorenmorgan1931 The ACB synths sound like that when you have the oscillators turned up to max, not leaving headroom thereby creating the compressed/limited sound

[@DanglyLingham]

How do the supersaws sound compared?

[@danielcolfer4671]

Do you sell patches? Your knowledge it incredible.

[@kimdiez2681]

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[@AudioUnityOne]

Awesome comparison. Love my system 8

[@MRTUNA]

meeeeeee too!

[@synthverkstad2093]

Great video, esthetically I would go for the Juno-X if I was making the choice now and I think it has a chance to become a modern classic. But as I already have a JP-Xm will stick with that for now in combination with all the Roland Cloud stuff, my JDxi, and my Yamaha Modx7.

[@davorcihak7330]

JUNO-X is brighter but SYSTEM 8 is more massive. Both are great.

[@kierenmoore3236]

I’ll wait for the next gen of ACB tech … There is also currently a big move towards poly-AT keyboards, in order to compete … a better quality, ‘System 16’, with vintage-y graphics and poly-AT would rake it in …

[@andivax]

Looks like they are abandon ACB

[@kierenmoore3236]

@@andivax What are you basing that on?

[@Gregypo085]

I noticed that the Juno - X also has an Edge sound. I love this patch on the System 8 and actually want to take the time to break it down and learn how to make it. Is the Edge patch on the Juno - X pretty much the same. I heard it in a Roland video and it seemed the same with just some highs rolled off. Not sure if you have any interest but I love to see you break down that Edge patch!

[@phazerbrains]

System 8 sounds better to my ears.

[@rustboymusic]

Thanks a lot for the comparison! Ufff... very-very hard to decide... I had to sell System-8 at some point just because of no joy of the keyboard. Juno-X sounds not bad at all in comparison.

[@MRTUNA]

thats the saddest part about the system-8, everything else I LOVE.

[@andivax]

No aftertouch?

[@rustboymusic]

@@andivax No aftertouch and just very-very cheap keyboard.

[@DagToreLarsen]

How I see it, as a music performer, not a sound designer, they sound exactly the same to my ears. I did not hear any noticeable differences on my Yamaha HS8 (Studio monitors) So, what of them do I think is the better one? Personally, I would choose the Juno X (I already have one) because it can stack 4 parts + a drum part, and the superior polyphony. But then again, I perform on the STAGE LIVE! I need to be able to stack multiple sounds to make big rich interesting sounds. I use both the Juno X and Jupiter X (both have JD800 installed), RD2000, MODX+, Korg Nautilus, Hammond xk4 and Akai MPC Key 61 on stage. Also, when I play keyboard, I try spending most of my time playing on the white and black keys! And least time possible fiddling with the nobs... I find that very distracting! I use Camelot Pro to do the patch changes for me so I can focus on the actually important part... namely playing the MUSICAL INSTRUMENT. Just look at an acoustical piano. It's so simple. Just sit down and PLAY!

[@hartmannfilms]

Great video, Sir Tuna! So, just for clarity, the 106 model in the Juno-X is exactly the same as the one that already exists in the Jupiter X? No refinements, or improvements?

[@MRTUNA]

as far as I know--- yes thats true! Although the chorus might be slightly revamped??

[@hartmannfilms]

@@MRTUNA Good to know. Cheers!

[@JeffPalmer83]

Actually, they are different! The System 8 plug out synth models use Roland’s Analog Circuit Behavior (ACB) engine, whereas the Zen Core products (Fantom, Jupiter-X, Juno-X, Roland Cloud), use their Analog Behavior Modeling (ABM) engine. The ACB engine is supposedly more accurate because it models every circuit, which is why polyphony is more limited on the System 8.

[@JeffPalmer83]

Oh-you said Jupiter X. Then, yes, they are the same 🤦‍♂️

[@douglasb.5601]

@@JeffPalmer83 Don't worry, your wrong answer was still really interesting and contained good info! 👍🏻😎

[@luapmartin]

Nice comparison, just to understand, the two synths are using different digital synthesis algorithms? One is Zen Core the other is ACB, is this correct? Which is which? Thanks 🙏

[@yvanroustan4426]

great video ! could the juno x drive a vst like arturia or other brand, i mean all knobs and all sliders could be assignable with midi CC ?

[@MatthewTomich]

Best of both worlds: can you use the Juno X as a controller on a System 8?

[@alexandrosroussos]

Thanks for this video ! Do you know if the Juno X can easily be used as a 4 part master keyboard in a setup ? Means could split the keyboard and have one or more of the parts sending notes to external gear while also using internal engine ? Would that also work with the sequencer ?

[@MRTUNA]

The short answer is no at this point. The JunoX doesn’t have any smart master keyboard parameters for controlling everything at once (like the Jupiter-80 which is amazingly awesome at that) so it’s easy enough to control the 5 internal parts but not in combination with other gear, at least just yet

[@alexandrosroussos]

@@MRTUNA you can’t mute some of the internal parts and still having MIDI channels 1-2-3-4 sending our notes to external gear like on the Jupiter X/Xm ?

[@MRTUNA]

@@alexandrosroussos yes you can-- I thought you meant control over external and internal parts at the same time!

[@alexandrosroussos]

@@MRTUNA it’s indeed what I meant. Can we say mute part 3 and 4 audio but still keep them in the split keyboard configuration so as to be able to play part 1 and/or 2 with internal engine while part 3/4 are sending out MIDI notes ?

[@cyberfennek]

when you begin layering sounds is the moment you realize why you wanted the Juno X

[@timbrandon1466]

Another great comparison video. Once again so little between them in sound. Personally I'll have to go for the X as its got so much more going for it. 😃

[@MRTUNA]

There’s definitely reasons to appreciate both! But I’m playing the X a lot more these days

[@JUKETASTRAFE]

SYSTEM8 MORE PUNCH & BOTTOM JUPITER X NICE BUT VST LIKE ROLAND CLOUD

[@synthartist69]

Great job on the sweeping pad creation around the 17:35 mark or so...

[@rentedwerewolf6159]

If I didn't have a System 8 I might have bought a Juno X. They both sound amazing, but I feel like the filters are more nuanced with the ACB models. I have the wood panels on my System 8 to make it feel more familiar when I'm using the Juno 60 😁

[@MRTUNA]

I had to go aluminum because I needed the power of the Jupiter hahaha Definitely the filters are where the s8 stands out!

[@JimDaneker]

Agreed about those filters!

[@prospectnyc]

100%

[@Rompler_Rocco]

Interesting! I have the ACB model in the original JU-06 Boutique, and my one big gripe is mega aliasing on resonant filter sweeps. But I guess the System 8 runs a much higher-fidelity model. But now I'm curious about how the X model compares to each of the Juno Boutiques 🤔...

[@b2zap665]

Especially when you turn up the condition knob! Yeeesh🤤

[@voodoohex72]

Pretty sure the system 8 can also do both envs tied to one for juno 106. Its in the settings menu.

[@infestedalien]

Just need to ask to be 100% sure. Did you use the Juno-106 model expansion in the Juno X or did you use the Juno X engine in the Juno X?

[@MRTUNA]

These are both the Juno-106 models in the S8 and the Juno X

[@andycarrillo48]

Can you make a video of just fresh melodies with the synths or your other jawnts

[@MRTUNA]

ill put it on the list my friend!

[@AndrewJohnClive]

Nice Beasties nod Mr. Tuna!❤️❤️😢

[@b2zap665]

Hey tuna, do you prefer the sound of the Jupiter X or System 8?

[@paxx7140]

It's a different question,, If used Jupiter-x and new Juno-x are the same price, What will you buy? its very difficult for me,,, help plzzzz😂

[@MRTUNA]

hmmmm..... JunoX definitely takes a lot of what roland learned from the somewhat confusing interface of the Jupiter-X. The screen in the middle is 1000000% nicer. Its much lighter and easy to fit in the studio. its a lot easier to see all of the controls. and has exactly the same sound. I actually prefer the presence of the big bad JPX. I like the extra controls. I hate the side mounted screen. Id stil probably pick the Jupiter because its such a wow factor but its a really tough choice.

[@paxx7140]

@@MRTUNA thank you for answering! hmm,, is there extra controls in jpx?! i didnt know that. i need to think about it more🥲 thx!

[@ErraticFaith]

@@MRTUNA Is there a particular calculation you use for getting to that amount of improved niceness? haha =P

[@rayderrich]

I want those lush Roland sounds but am pulling my hair out to choose the 'right' one between System-8, Jupiter-X, Juno-X and perhaps others.

[@MatthewTomich]

What did you decide?

[@rayderrich]

@@MatthewTomich None of the above. Roland made too many sound-a-likes and then also their software versions, impossible to buy and not feel bad afterwards.

[@MT-mt8bd]

@@rayderrich If you want big raw sound that's the nearest easily available thing to the original, System 8. If you want tons of layering and polyphony, Jupiter X/Xm or Juno X. You can choose the latter based on the keyboard: large (Jupiter X), medium (Juno X), or small and super portable (Jupiter Xm). I got the System 8 and it's everything I need and doesn't have anything I don't - except the ability to hold 8 of the amazing plug outs!

[@rayderrich]

Oh thanks a lot for this advice, @@MT-mt8bd

[@thesrabbit]

Well, the Sys-8 certainly looks like garbage compared to the X, but it sounds way better IMO. I may be biased as I used to own one and have a real Juno as well. Generally haven’t been that thrilled with the Zencore sound.

[@ThisisRends]

Whow. I‘m positively surprised by the sound quality of the Juno-X!

[@MRTUNA]

There was another take i did (that I had to scrap) where i mae the most beautiful sounds on the JunoX and it was really really shining through, but it turns out it was focuing on the back of my head the whole time instead of the keyboards and i still havent forgiven myself

[@emildobranszky3656]

Great Video and Great comparison. But i dont think the audioance will ever hear the difference, or wont buy a concert ticket, couse a/B synth has a better Square wave oscillator :D

[@legitimatefrenzy]

I'm glad to see the comparison. I think it's hard to believe the acb is more than just pcm at this point same with the x of all varieties. I feel like the Roland interface more or less has been the same since the mc909 and Juno g. The sound quality on both is really good I think the only thing about the system that stopped me is the whole plug out architecture I don't wanna have to swap soundsm

[@MRTUNA]

I wish I could keep all the expansions in the system-8, right now i have JP8, Juno106m and Juno60 but I want poly plugouts of the Promars and SH2......... some new models would be nice too :P

[@legitimatefrenzy]

@@MRTUNA that's why I'm so pro Jupiter x poly sh101 is priceless. I wish I was more driven to make patches using zenology software. Plus being able to do 4 engine stacking is Uber dynamic. I only have polyphony issues if I do unison mode on all 4 tones

[@MT-mt8bd]

@@MRTUNA That's why I ended up with 2! Amazing machine and a bargain used.

[@bennethos]

I don’t get Roland … yes polyphony is important etc but why not a Juno-x with the acb plug out possibility. I find the whole thing annoying . There are always compromises to be made with Roland that infuriate me

[@MatthewTomich]

They are great at almost giving you what you want.

[@808music3]

Brands are just making off the $$$€€€ for new products. The main synth date back before the 80’s, which sought after. In 2022 all of the brands just creaming off the royalties from past and present sounds.

[@WAGSU2BE]

106 sounds more polished or pristine in the X. Both sound great.

[@MRTUNA]

agreed! Theres definitely a little more raw agression coming from the s8

[@chris5375]

Wich is better ?

[@andycarrillo48]

Does the jdxa have a better sound than the system 8

[@MRTUNA]

(no)

[@MRTUNA]

100% personal preference but i was very very unhappy with the sound of the JDXA

[@bilonggrisimmeri]

@@MRTUNA Unfortunately I don't have enough experience to find those limitations in my JD-AX, though sure you are correct. To me it maybe goes towards Jupiter8 territory? I'm going to try to match your Juno sounds on my JD-XA, which b.t.w. sounds crisper from its analogue output than through its effects and digital output.

[@skinmech4851]

The issue with all these detailed analysis of one synth Vs another is none of these are real life scenarios. Once you put any of these synths in a mix or live on stage no one will actually care what’s authentic or not. To me the Juno X does the job it’s supposed to do and certainly sounds like a Juno and has that distinct sound you get from a Juno. I likes the system 8 though always have but would never consider getting one due to lack of aftertouch which was a strange omission from Roland.

[@MRTUNA]

i so wish it had aftertouch!!

[@Jason75913]

they are both overkill on stage

[@WARDISWARD]

Yep zencore is just NOT up to the task Dear Roland , please give us a new ACB keyboard with the same attention to detail as the latest juno x, jup x when it comes to build quality MEANING metal case , quality keyboard but ACB instead of the inferior Zencore i

[@ErraticFaith]

We won't build it, because you've entirely missed the point to which Zen-C has been designed. The company is completely happy with the architecture (as are signature artists). If the board approve another unit in the fashion of the Sys8- it would be inline with the same intended market space as that prior release. Which is not what Jupiter or Juno are for. In simple terms you don't understand the technology very well, that's all.

[@WARDISWARD]

@@ErraticFaith LOLZ , I think I uderstand the technology perfectly well since I have been using the jd990, jv1050 , xv5080 and integra and all I can say is that zencore is an expanded pcm engine ( used in all their romplers ) + va waveforms and va filters and some reall cross modulation and osc sync

[@ChrisP3000x]

@@ErraticFaith "as are signature artists" LOL "Artists" who shill for money/product.

[@n8goulet]

I think the 49 keys of the System 8 is the biggest limitation. Roland,when you model synths like the Jupiter 8, Juno 60, Juno 106, and others that originally had 61 keys, don't give us 49.

[@ErraticFaith]

Our signature artists are amongst the best in the entire region; thanks to their knowledge and time taken to consider their requirements. You clearly know nothing about either, nor the fact that we build instruments - for those artists. Not vice versa. You can dispense with further patrionising western rhetoric however, I won't be bothering to reply further.

[@ageshero]

I know there’s I’m sure a huge temptation with comparing all the synths, but could you potentially think about a Prologue vs Juno x? Huge poly synths different vibes. Also- I’m waiting for someone to hop on a deepmind versus Juno x battle

[@ErraticFaith]

Since Prologue is EOL. I am not sure there is much sense in doing so; the industry is moving on and people won't be able to easily acquire them (if at all). Not to discredit your preference - but we also want to see Truman advance (channel and association) which does demand a more 'concurrent' focus.

[@ageshero]

Roland cloud should do some non roland emulations to their kit, might make it more tempting

[@MRTUNA]

That would be interesting

[@pedrogomis]

Sorry but i am tired of Roland, the same sound in different hardware, roland cloud, fantom, jupiter x, juno x system 8, ju06, ju06a, system 8, what else?. I only keep se02 and system 500, the only analog and surprise designed by other manufacturers. For Juno true analog sound i got the deepmind 12d

[@matthewcragg3607]

The green on the System-8 and the red on the JD-XA are complimentary colors…just sayin’…

[@ebutuoytm7560]

11:41 Lmao! We've all been there :)

[@MRTUNA]

that one was painful!

[@Algoritmarte]

i'm wondering how those many ACB vs Zen Core "experts" out there knows how many lines of code are (not) shared between the ACB engine and the new Zen engine ... :-)

[@dancarter5595]

There's pretty much no discernible difference. Given the additional functionality of the JUNO-X, it's got to be that. To my ears it actually sounds the better of the two, which is most unexpected. I just hope they eventually release that model expansion for Jupiter-x. I don't have room for another big keyboard!

[@MRTUNA]

This model is already on the JupiterX..... im comparing the 106 models on the s8 and the jp...... but i think for sure they will enable the Juno60 model..... maybe not the JunoX model though?

[@ErraticFaith]

As far as I am aware; the X model's will remain proprietary to their respective namesake's yes. In essence they are meant as a modern call forward of their lineage with enhancements coming from the shared family architecture and top-tier build.

[@thesrabbit]

The plug outs are all fuller sounding to me than the zencore expansions. However, you can’t leave the system-8’s native synth engine out of the equation. It’s killer. Dammit. Now I need to buy one again.

[@chadlittle8304]

Isn’t the system 8 just playing software from Roland cloud?

[@bennethos]

Yes but at 96Khz 24 bits, try doing that on your pc in a daw

[@MatthewTomich]

Whatever it is doing, it does it awesomely.

[@wreckington945]

dude i cant fit any more synths in here

[@MRTUNA]

me neither :( :( :(

[@asdfjkl227]

Did mans really play hot crossed buns on $4,000??

[@mrlionel1965]

While I get the side by side comparison of these synths, it’s kind of pointless. Of course they are going to sound similar, especially if they are made by the same company. Most people won’t have both, so you get what sounds good to your ears. On stage nobody will ever notice if something sounds “a slight bit different”. The bigger question is, how user friendly is it, especially on stage.

[@MRTUNA]

just helping people pick! sometimes its not about being on stage but purelly a connection to the instrument on a personal level. I am very happy to never ever perform on stage and keep my playing and instruments to the studio where i can share things virtually. my interactions with synths can be very intimate and thats where deciding between these two can be much harder.

[@mrlionel1965]

That’s cool, but I do perform and nobody will really notice any differences, unless they are side by side.

[@ryangolfz]

PLAY FIREBAN!!

[@MRTUNA]

the song should be banned and lit on fire so at least we named it right!

[@billsmith3182]

All this time spent going between the keyboards to hear the one waa waa sound..over and over

[@MRTUNA]

Yeah just the way it goes

[@sub-jec-tiv]

Why Roland put that 2-line LCD on a flagship keyboard is beyond me. Even Minilogue gives you more information. Ridiculous.

[@subzsystemant7923]

Because its pretty much knob per function.

[@MRTUNA]

you really barely need the screen for anything but patch names and some quick menu bs. its really a synth i never spend any time on the screen with.

[@aseomg]

Hey Mr. T...I think you have done alot in demonstrating the Juno-X. If anyone has anymore concerns or question on the new X...buy one or move along & watch some other KZbin channel.

[@ChrisP3000x]

They obviously sound nothing alike......not the least bit, in any way. The System-8 sounds close to my 106. Pleasing to the ears. The Juno-X sounds like a mediocre vst. Very flat and bland. Don't really see the market for this other than the fake nostalgia. If someone wants a bland vst-in-a-box stage workhorse, get the Fantom.

[@ChrisP3000x]

@@MakeMagic It's called ears, skill and experience. You've fallen prey to smoke and mirrors, shills, and "influencers".

[@ChrisP3000x]

@@MakeMagic Enjoy your fake pretend synth.

[@johnsaunders6510]

lol. From the comments I was expecting a massive difference. They sound almost identical. Both more than good enough.

[@ChrisP3000x]

@@johnsaunders6510 Believe me, I'd give anything to not have the ears to tell the difference. I admire that, lol-kid.