My favorite thing about Jupiter’s tips is that he never takes a “one size fits all” approach.
@seaotter523 жыл бұрын
For those wondering how you can use such a thin pad, here's how. It's a multi part answer. 1st Be relatively lightweight, young(ish) and a back sleeper mostly. 2nd Have a higher level of discomfort 3rd Choose good sites. This is extremely important. Places with lots of leaves or pine needles (aka forest duff) are soft already. Move rocks and if needed make some depressions for hips, shoulders. Typical tent sites are hard packed and shelter floors are wood, so if regulations or terrain don't allow dispersed camping, take an inflatable or sleep poorly but in a shelter it may be the snoring that is worse. 4th Practice makes acceptable. If you are capable of doing the above, you'll do ok. Evan's backpacking videos KZbin channel shows him using just Reflectix as insulation on his AT thru hike. He also wore sandals, so it goes to show it's the hiker and not the gear. As an old guy in spitting distance (drooling?) of 70 I like a bit more comfort so I might try a 1/4" pad instead of the 1/8" these "young whippersnappers" use😜
@daven.76852 жыл бұрын
So much of the advice about sleep systems is driven by thru hikers. No disrespect intended, but the simple truth is that if you’re not putting in 20-30 mile days and getting into camp at night, then you have plenty of time to do a proper prep as Mike points to above. Also, it seems that the gear industry exploded with the need for tents and inflatable insulated pads once people moved away from goose down mummy bags. In the ‘70’s, long before today’s young bucks and does were even a glint in their parents’ eye, we almost exclusively “cowboy” camped with a tube tent, foam pad, and mummy bag. It was so common, we didn’t even have a word for it! Was it comfortable? Not always, but it was part of the experience. The best night I ever had was spent sleeping on top of a 12” bed of pine needles.
@GreatAmericanHikes3 жыл бұрын
I personally find that ground insulation is the most important piece to my overall sleep warmth. How you're able to sleep on that 1/8th inch foam pad is an absolute enigma to me. I'm envious.
@spillybilly3 жыл бұрын
bro sleeping on a napkin
@NickInNature3 жыл бұрын
lmao
@Roger-ws8rj3 жыл бұрын
For real🤣
@andredeketeleastutecomplex3 жыл бұрын
true
@BenjaminWilcock3 жыл бұрын
😂😆
@MovementDrifter3 жыл бұрын
ahahahaha
@janefreeman41213 жыл бұрын
Have a womens thermarest neoair thats 6years old, been thru the mill including a thru hike and still works great. Hasnt required any patches yet.
@micaylaspencer94493 жыл бұрын
Love neo air xlites. It's so nice for side sleeping and it's got some pretty decent insulation. I will say it seems to luck of the draw. We just took ours out for what was supposed to be three nights but ended after one because one of the brand new xlites deflated an hour in. Edit: thankfully REI and thermarest has great return policies/warranty.
@csn5832 жыл бұрын
Mine got a leak over 5yrs ago, I slapped a square of Gorilla tape on it, immediately reinflated it, and it's still my go-to.
@woodchip27823 жыл бұрын
As a side sleeper I just can’t use a thin foam pad, the pain will keep me awake. As for filling my Thermarest I use the inflation bag they have that also serves as a dry bag.
@MovementDrifter3 жыл бұрын
I'm 6 ft 1 and I side sleep on a 1cm matt, trimmed just below my knees, weighs 160gm. I find it fine but switch to an air matt for longer trips, mostly because it rolls up and I find its size and bulk annoying.
@DB-nu1nn3 жыл бұрын
I grew up using the 3/8" foam pads. My back would start to hurt after a few hours, but if I rolled over on my side, it would cut off blood circulation to the leg on the bottom. Nothing worse than getting up more tired and in more pain than when you went to bed. I tried out a kylmit inflatable for the first time last year, and it's a game changer for me! I do worry about durability, but if I don't have it, I won't get much sleep anyway...
@micaylaspencer94493 жыл бұрын
Absolutely using the inflation bag/dry sak mostly to help with longevity. Especially from what I've seen of thruhikers getting some sort of mold or something in the middle ( shining a light through it) after a about a year.
@rossthompson66993 жыл бұрын
Same and my pillow
@Eric-rr3zd3 жыл бұрын
I feel like all the people busting his balls about the 1/8" pad have never tried sleeping on one. I was skeptical before I tried it as well but now I freaking love the thing. As long as it's warm enough it's actually completely fine. I don't wake up sore, or have trouble falling and staying asleep. They are only like $20, can get them on sale sometimes for cheaper, you might find they aren't the nightmare you think they are and can shave off a whole lot of ounces and not really lose anything.
@bonnevillebagger91473 жыл бұрын
My biggest gripe with foam is that they are always too narrow for my shoulders. So one shoulder is always hanging off uninsulated.
@jerryd.47673 жыл бұрын
My sleep system is quite simple, used it for years....Tarp, walking staff for support, poly-cro groundsheet, foam pad 1/2", 48" long, 15 deg. bag and my jacket rolled up for a pillow, just graduated to a Trekology one from Amazon. I use a head net when there are bugs and mostly would cowboy camp back in the day.
@SigfridSWE3 жыл бұрын
I like synthetic more. Live in sweden and its always wet and a lot of rain and or cold and snow. My favorit 3 season "summer quilt" are UGQ 30 or 20°F (-1° or -6°C) Last year hiking in the summer in the warmest month it still got down to 2°C (about 32°F) some nights and the fog and rain was hard. I liked it 😊 My point is... it can be 22°C and sunny one minute and then the next 2°C. Thats why I use synthetic ugq quilt in summer in sweden 😊 So in depends where you are and mutch more
@tinmanandoliveoylsadventur71293 жыл бұрын
I (Felipe) absolutely enjoy this topic. There's a saying, "You're only as old as you think you are." Well I'm 61. I used to say this. Only young people say this, lol! I used to, as a kid, use blankets on my overnight hikes about 2 miles from home and use blanket for my tent. No pad at all. I was perfectly comfortable. 3 years ago I used a sea to summit pillow and a foam pad. My spinal stenotic neck got really hurt and was off work for 3 months. Well Now I use inflatable, though last year one did get a leak and I froze every time the air came out. I use nemo pillow very low and use what ever clothes to adjust the height, not the air, that makes it uncomfortable. I'm good. Cool video!
@themightiness3 жыл бұрын
The Klymit inflatable pads really do blow up in about 10-15 breaths, are super durable, and come with patching kits.
@jamiem76492 жыл бұрын
Not strictly part of a sleep system but something that is key to keeping toasty and warm on cold nights is a hot water bottle. Doesn’t have to be heavy - I use a platypus bladder wrapped in some bubble wrap or some clothing. Place that between your thighs for 20 mins and you are warm. Stays warm for most of the night. Also have warm water for the morning.
@decentdiversions3 жыл бұрын
Great overview! For a lot of summer camping, I use a 10c/50f bag. I’ve pushed the limit with a hot water bottle (not possible if you’re stoveless) or foot warmers (the kind with an adhesive side). Not a solution for every night but good insurance that can prevent a lot of outdoor folks from buying more stuff. Another tip to stay warm: if you have to pee, get up and go. Holding it will make you colder faster. As mentioned, for better sleep: ear plugs!
@jmsbohannon3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video! That 1/8" foam pad also works great with inflatable pads. Cut it torso length and put it under the mattress. It'll keep the mattress from sliding on the slick tent floor as well as add an extra barrier for warmth and puncture protection. Fold the foam pad for use as a sit pad anywhere as well.
@gibrigg3 жыл бұрын
Yep, that’s what I’ve been doing lately too. Works well.
@SuperBlackDancer3 жыл бұрын
My inflatable matras is working perfectly after 3 years of intense use, just be careful with it 😝
@andredeketeleastutecomplex3 жыл бұрын
you can always put your sock in the hole when it starts leaking, might buy you another year of usage
@danielgraham22983 жыл бұрын
I agree. You would have to be doing something extra wrong to just be poking holes like nothing in your mattress haha. Maybe if over inflated but still… ive slept on mine on rocks and its still great. He may be a little bias
@climberrob71083 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I love your light weight approach. I’m slowly reducing pack weight over time as I’m almost 50 years old. With that said, I don’t like to sleep on hard ground. I have an original Thermarest from 1995. Has one patch. A little heavy and takes about 30 breaths to fill up. It’s so comfortable, slept out hundreds of nights on it. Always use a ridge rest foam pad under it to protect, add more insulation and R value. I do more hiking in the New England winter so I need it. I may upgrade to an insulated Klymit pad this winter. After 25 years I deserve an upgrade! I’ll never just sleep on a thin foam pad like you man!
@1strights3 жыл бұрын
Just be aware, Klymit still hasn't disclosed current r values.
@climberrob71083 жыл бұрын
I looked on their website and it lists an R value of 4.4
@teddgram3 жыл бұрын
I envy those of you that can do the foam pad and just using a stuff sack as a pillow. I tried both and while I fell asleep just fine, when I woke up it was feeling pretty sore, especially in the neck when trying to use a stuff sack with clothes in it for a pillow. I take the weight penalty for both, but its what I have to do to get a good night's sleep and get the rest I need for the next day. The quilt on the other hand was a game changer. I got the Bandit from UGQ and love the fact that I can either spread the thing out like a blanket and stick my legs out when it's warm out, or buckle it to my mattress when it's time to hunker down for the colder weather. Super light and stows down very small. If I had one piece of advice it's that the higher fill power the lighter the down will be at a given temp rating. Spending the extra money on that made a huge difference vs. my lower fill power mummy bag.
@karenyoung99963 жыл бұрын
Perfect timing! I’m going winter backpacking this weekend in 0’ weather so I will be bringing a Z lite foam pad plus my Xtherm pad, my EE Enigma 0’ bag plus a fleece liner, a down blanket from Costco just in case of wind chill plus my booties and wool PJs since I sleep COLD. I may even make myself a hot water bottle Nalgene baby to cuddle with. I always wear a fleece hat and my down coat as well. I’m from Arizona so I ❤️ heat 🔥 😆
@greenbuckeyelove3 жыл бұрын
I am a side sleeper and the accordion style mat is NOT a good choice. I absolutely love watching your videos and I take your advice seriously but when it comes to sleeping I have to have the air mattress. I’ve had both a pad and two different air pads and for me my Nemo tensor is amazing. And it comes with its own air blow up bag. Thank you so much for your help and advice!! It is very much appreciated 🙏🏻🙏🏻
@BenjaminWilcock3 жыл бұрын
Loving this series dude! I’ve transitioned into using a thin foam mat like yourself and was surprised just how well I sleep on it. Really can’t see me going back to the NeoAir now unless it’s winter. Ditches the pillow as well just been using my pack under My head. I’d always end up pushing the pillow away anyways. Another great video dude ✌️ Ben
@jeffrubin85703 жыл бұрын
Dedicated sleeping clothes come in pretty handy if your hiking clothes are wet at day’s end.
@datraucous33512 жыл бұрын
I’m beginning to think this man has been walking the earth since it’s inception.
@julesg93373 жыл бұрын
synthetic will stay warm even when wet. very important point when hiking in western europe. on the HRP if you take a down sleeping bag, you might regret it since you will experience dense fog and a very wet climate, especially on the atlantic part. Thanks for your video :)
@tomm16773 жыл бұрын
Great info as always. I would suggest not going larger on the quilt but bring pad straps. Once locked down you should be able to keep out the drafts. Oh and while we are at it, a quilt with a sewn foot box will keep out the draft there as well as give it some extra loft (=warmer). A draft collar on the head end is also a nice addition.
@backpackingonline3 жыл бұрын
I enjoy your backpacking videos. I have a 20F Hammock Gear quilt. I sleep warm. I use my backpack inner bag and a kit for my NeoAir XTherm. I like silk or merino longjohns for my legs, and my half zip top for sleepwear. I may wear the longjohns if the day is cold, or even colder. The half-zip top is my everyday wear. It may be Coolibar, or Merino. I also wear a silk or merino balaclava. This is how I keep my down quilt clean, and have dual purpose daywear and sleepwear. Of course, I am not wearing the longjohn bottems unless it is cold in the daytime so I consider this clothing solution as sleepwear. In hot weather, I have a rayon shirt and nylon pants, nevertheless I still have silk longjohns bottems and a Coolibar longsleeves top. If a cold breeze, in daytime, I can layer up. If I need a windbreaker, I want layers. I have a down puffy for the campsite evening, or in the morning beforr packing up camp. I am doing my hiking in The Rocky Mountains.
@graydogtreks3 жыл бұрын
Began using an inflatable mattress two years ago. Soon it was punctured. A micro puncture the manufacturer described it. I followed all the procedures. With no success. I purchased A gallon of distilled water and poured it in the pad. Inflated the pad completely. Laid it flat on the floor for a few minutes and soon there was a water drop on the floor which indicated the puncture. Drained the water out, allowed pad to dry, Cleaned the area and patched it. Job done.
@MrAJW19833 жыл бұрын
This might not work for through-hiking, but sometimes when I camp in below-freezing temperatures I put some hand warmers in my sleeping bag, and it helps take the edge off.
@gearjunkie34123 жыл бұрын
If you have the right bag. No need for hand warmers
@jedphillips1823 жыл бұрын
I read a tip about bringing a hot water bottle, boiling some water, filling it and then putting the hot water bottle in the sleeping bag with you. Im looking forward to trying this out :)
@bonnevillebagger91473 жыл бұрын
Jed Phillips but then You have to carry an extra .5lb water bottle. Instead of a plastic smart water bottle.
@gearjunkie34123 жыл бұрын
@@bonnevillebagger9147 oh no!!!! Not .5 don't be a snowflake lol
@MrAJW19833 жыл бұрын
@@gearjunkie3412 I've got a -35° bag but I still appreciate the hand warmers once it gets below about 20. Maybe I'm just a cold sleeper.
@slowfox5323 жыл бұрын
I live in nothern Germany, in our climate a synthetic quilt is the better option for me. I used down bags for many years, but changed to apex climashield quilt due to dump down after some rainy , foggy cold days freezing my ass off. Now no more problems no matter what the weather will be.
@lauradonofrioart3 жыл бұрын
I would like to make note that the nemo tensor is what I have, and they have a special blow up system where you blow a little into a sac and then roll the air in. It is easy and doesn't take much lung power. But I do understand the point about something puncturing it
@michaelb17613 жыл бұрын
I use a quilt because it isn't as constricting, and therefore more comfortable for me. The weight savings is just a bonus. Using the straps to attach my quilt to my pad when it's really cold, I've never had an issue with drafts.
@stlouisphotography2 жыл бұрын
I think side sleepers have an extra challenge when sleeping on the ground. I'm trying it with 3 inflatable pillows (2 under my head and one under my ribs to take a little pressure off my shoulder). The doctor says I have sleep apnea when I'm on my back, so I don't really have a choice but to sleep on my side.
@twentyonetwelve21793 жыл бұрын
From my experience.... it's very subjective and age plays into it. When I was 20-30s I was just like you, move fast, go lite, walk till your so tired you just eat and sleep. Lots of miles 30-40s Slowed down, wanted more shelter and comfort, got a tent, inflatable pad etc. and fewer miles 40-55 (Now) I'm a hammock camper, complete comfort, only 10-15 miles a day and I am really looking at and enjoying my surroundings more. I have actually done the same trails a few more times just because I had gone so fast I had missed natures wonders.
@slowfox5323 жыл бұрын
You are right, same with me. I am 58 now and since last year I am a convinced hammock camper and do less miles but enjoy more now. Let us see how is Jupiter hiking in 20 years.
@asmith78763 жыл бұрын
@@slowfox532 Tell it brother! When I was in the Army in my 20's I could have slept on cold gravel...now...not so much!
@jhonyermo3 жыл бұрын
@@slowfox532 I bet like Ray Jardine. Still using what he uses now. Did you even listen to what Jupiter said?
@ThePotterD3 жыл бұрын
If I were super trail fit and could walk dawn to dusk day after day then I can imagine I could fall asleep on pretty much anything. As an old, overweight, side-sleeping part timer who can't possibly move another inch after 15-20 miles I can say I need my home comforts to get a good night's sleep. Having said that, I'm so jealous of your pack size and weight I'll experiment with a thin foam pad on my next trip. Great thing about a foam pad is that it's an arse-mat and a siesta pad too.
@warecurtis3 жыл бұрын
Definitely need some type of hat to keep your head warm especially when using quilt. I personally use a RayWay bombers cap and it’s been perfect for years
@michaelb17613 жыл бұрын
I agree. I bring a generic balaclava for cold nights (and mornings while packing up).
@DrewBoswell3 жыл бұрын
+1 on the warm hat when using a quilt in winter.
@justrusty3 жыл бұрын
As a more "mature" (read "Over 60") hiker I actually went with a little extra weight (I typically go as light as possible, again because of my "maturity") in order to get better sleep. I use both an inflatable pad, and a small inflatable pillow. I've never had a durability problem (cross my fingers.) Inflation doesn't take very long, and it's not necessary (and even counterproductive) to fill it up too full. As usual, a good look at all the options.
@stevewright22413 жыл бұрын
I've been using the same Ridgerest foam sleeping pad for 30+ years. I use it in winter too. I put a foam 1/2 pad underneath it. Winter trips include sleeping in weather at minus 10 F.
@ChainmailQueen3 жыл бұрын
A few thoughts in response to your very informative video: I sleep cold, so I have a dedicated set of light weight merino leggings, wool socks & a loose fitting tshirt that I wear to bed in the summer with my Xlite pad & quilt. If I'm going on my fall/winter adventures, I will swap out my summer leggings for a thicker set of leggings, swap out my Xlite for my XTherm & also add a merino neck gator, a thick crocheted wool hat that I made & a wool sweater (all of which I would probably be wearing during the day anyways, but those 3 items do double duty for me to sleep in as well).
@davidsixtwo3 жыл бұрын
I've swapped out most of my gear for much lighter options than I started with, but my torso length prolite is now ten+ years old and still going strong, no leaks. Not all inflatables are created equal. Also, it's possible to carry a patch kit and patch in the field.
@andrewholmes23433 жыл бұрын
What about a lightweight plastic groundsheet under your tent and foam pad inside the tent?keeps all the moisture away from your tent and body :):)
@nicholasrokitka3803 жыл бұрын
Most helpful, and beautiful shots! Thanks Jupiter
@lukedeleonardo7924 Жыл бұрын
@10:10, Every yr I hike Big Bear with Make a Wish/Trailblaze Challenge. Eagle Rock is freaking awesome. If you're in Southern California, look it up. 28 miles in one day for a great cause. As long as you raise the $, they put hikers up at the BB lodge for 2 nights. Epic every time!
@jewelciappio3 жыл бұрын
My girl, my girl, don’t lie to me... tell me where did you sleep last night? In the pines, in the pines, where the sun don’t ever shine, I would shiver the whole night thru. 😉
@kookkamajunga3 жыл бұрын
If you clip it to the bill and use the lamp it makes light so you can see more downer to eat
@christopherhaak98243 жыл бұрын
The newer pillows that use a urethane material for the casing are quite light and pretty tough. You didn't talk about sleeping bag liners and I know that seems to be a love hate thing, but they can add a few degrees to your quilt / bag and in the long run, they do a very good job of keeping your sleeping bag a lot cleaner on the inside when you are doing hard hiking and only showering maybe once a week.
@gavinduerson3 жыл бұрын
I’m loving that 2x speed blowing up the pad clip!!!! Always enjoy you vids! ✌️
@anytrailhead Жыл бұрын
Excellent video. I’ve always gone inflatable mattresses, but now I’m definitely considering a foam. Keep the beneficial info posting! 👟🌎📷
@chuckburr517Ай бұрын
Regarding sleeping clothes: It depends on how long of a hike you are on. A few days, ok sleeping what you hike unless it rains. Thru-hiking long distance, a separate set of underwear and sleep shirt is essential.
@paganed3 жыл бұрын
Nice to have you back !
@math768z53 жыл бұрын
You always do such a good job on your videos
@_..____2 жыл бұрын
Jupiter, do you find you need to sleep on your back with the 1/8" pad, or can you sometimes sleep on the side? How difficult was it to adjust to the pad on the first nights? Thanks for the video!
@JupiterHikes2 жыл бұрын
I am predominantly a side sleeper, and very occasionally a back sleeper when I can't sleep for some reason or other. My first backpacking trips back in 2011-12 I actually didn't use a pad at all, I frankly didn't know it was something others used or was considered something needed! So when I did eventually buy one (the gossamergear nitelight) it was very different(and comfortable!), and eventually not hard to change to a thinner pad from that which I still use. Some trails it is obviously harder to find that soft ground to sleep on to supplement my pad, but I always try my best. In the end I do know that one or two nights out of 50 or so I will be moderately uncomfortable. That is something I am willing to endure if the vast majority of my time I am happy, and my pack is lighter for such a decision. A lot of people would rather carry the extra weight and bulk and just be happy all the time, and not have to look for specific camp spots. I don't blame them! I just haven't had a desire yet to change to anything thicker on my trips.
@_..____2 жыл бұрын
@@JupiterHikes Thank you very much for your prompt reply! I think I'm going to try it out a few nights before I go. Also, I might fold my pad to only cover my torso, if necessary. I was asking for your position, because some "experts" said that sleeping on your back was the only way when being on the floor or with very thin pads. Obviously it's not your case.
@CanadianSledDog3 жыл бұрын
I use synthetic sleeping bag because I can dry out slightly damp clothes in it while I sleep. For pads I use an inflatable with a body length of Reflectix under it for protection and comfort, and the ability to lay comfortably on almost anything including driftwood and rocks and most thorns. Bulk doesn't bother me.
@kayasper60813 жыл бұрын
I loved the cat in the end😍
@daniil60893 жыл бұрын
Sleeping socks are double essential for winter hiking Totally agree that foam pad while bulky is just nicer to use
@daniil60893 жыл бұрын
Yet less cushy *
@mtadams2009 Жыл бұрын
I have moved on to down socks, 2 ounces and super warm. I only use them if I am using my quilt and cutting it close. It’s it’s really cold I my -20 below bag. Not socks needed. The Whites get super cold.
@robertmray3 жыл бұрын
down socks are a game changer for cold sleepers.
@rageoid3 жыл бұрын
No on the 1/8" placemat ! NeoAir Xlite wide works well. Anyone who can use one of those skimpy foam pads, especially on rocky terrain, is 100% wilderness beast, or intoxicated out of their senses ! Well done video as usual, covers the bases nicely.
@asmith78763 жыл бұрын
I suspect you're a decade or two...or three...younger than me. Maybe you're just very well preserved. I usually use a hammock, but if I'm on the ground it won't be that skinny pad anymore. Maybe in my Army days in my 20's, but not at 58! Fun video!
@treytamari3 жыл бұрын
Please, blowing up my neoair is a just a nightly flex of my cardio fitness, and my favorite part of the night is re-inflating it at 2:00am once it gets a pin hole after 3 weeks on trail just as I'm getting my legs under me.
@matwinner97083 жыл бұрын
I carry a foam pad AND an inflatable. Why suffer ?
@micaylaspencer94493 жыл бұрын
Love it! Not suffering from the weight I hope?
@matwinner97083 жыл бұрын
@@micaylaspencer9449 not at all; Nemo switchback combined with a Trekology UL: warm and lofty; plus I get premium comfort when resting during the day with the Nemo;
@michaelb17613 жыл бұрын
Me too, I use a torso length foam pad that I use as a sit pad to relax at lunch. It goes under my inflatable pad beneath my upper body with my pack under the pad down at my legs. Helps protect my inflatable pad from punctures.
@washingtonmike82963 жыл бұрын
You gave me food for thought regarding sleep clothes. I sleep warm and may be able to eliminate them or reduce. Thanks.
@yoann59343 жыл бұрын
Cool stuff mate, thanks! Just if you could display on screen a conversion to SI unit (or celcius here) when you mention one, that would be perfect for your non-american audience! Cheers
@rockclimbinghacks92223 жыл бұрын
I'm a pretty cold sleeper, so I like a mummy bag to keep my head warm, and even a shemagh to keep my face warm or use as a pillow. I'm going to see how warm I can stay inside a military patrol bag and poncho liner 🤞
@reneklein36583 жыл бұрын
When folks tell me how long it takes to inflate an air pad, I ask them : " How much time do you spend at camp? And how much of a difference is that minute and a half that it takes to blow it up gonna make?"
@henrywoods523 жыл бұрын
Ahhh,the orange blaze of the Florida trail.
@greggtilghman63493 жыл бұрын
Synthetics are made from polyester fiber which is molten plastic that is drawn into a thread. It's plastic and it's carbon foot print is large. I used to work at Dupont making polyester dacron fiber and the plastics used are toxic and most of the retirees of Dupont eventually died of cancer of some form. I only dress in cotton and natural fibers such as hemp and prefer down over synthetic mainly because of feathers (duck or goose) CAN be obtained without killing the animal. Specially after nesting season.
@randyholloway9203 жыл бұрын
Also, with a proper warmth pad,you don’t need a lower temperature rated quilt, balances the weight
@surfandstreamfisher57493 жыл бұрын
definitely want designated sleep clothes. nice to get cleaned up and out of the clothes you hiked in all day. what if your hiking clothes get wet, you have to sleep in wet clothes? i use that same 1/8" foam mat, under my inflatable pad, stops the pad from sliding. but i could never use it by itself. but to each their own.
@badderthanyou3 жыл бұрын
1:04 that’s no pad my good sir. 🤣
@metouw3 жыл бұрын
Ikr? As far as I can tell it has an R-value of 0,5... At that point why even bother using a pad when it's that thin and cold? :-P lol
@badderthanyou3 жыл бұрын
@@metouw exactly. Why not use tyvek or polycro for your ‘pad’?
@WALKITOFFDavidSmith3 жыл бұрын
I'm lovin' the teal & orange color grading. Nice video.
@rossthompson66993 жыл бұрын
Pretty good coverage. Not sure about the wet synthetic being warm but compared to wet down no doubt.
@Jonistired3 жыл бұрын
I remember being young and able to sleep on a concrete floor with my shoes for a pillow. Now I have trouble sleeping in my own bed. I need a foam pad, an inflatable pad and an inflatable pillow with a cushion top like the Nemo fillo. The good news is that I sleep hot and I can save a little weight with my quilt.
@markgreen64373 жыл бұрын
Dude so glad you’re back! Love your vids!
@qulexe3 жыл бұрын
Hey jupiter, keep up the great work man! Could you please put out a more thorough video of your tarp setup, tips on quick deployment during rain, site selection, etc? I'm thinking of swapping out of my UL tent but would like to have more information at my disposal before I try it out for like a 2-3 nighter
@turkeyphant3 жыл бұрын
Have you not used the Schnozzle as a pack line to make air mattresses much less faff?
@andrewgarrett50713 жыл бұрын
Good stuff. Fighting over the foam vs inflatable debate myself. Don't mind foam but have been interested in a more comfortable nights sleep
@JupiterHikes3 жыл бұрын
Warmer too! It's a tough battle between the two
@Reskamo3143 жыл бұрын
12:40 smooth cut. Loving it
@backyardfern19233 жыл бұрын
Hi there - My husband and I are leaving for our AT thru hike next month and we have been loving your videos! Question - what degree quilt did you bring on the AT / when did you start? Thanks!
@JupiterHikes3 жыл бұрын
are you a warm sleeper or cold sleeper? Personally starting in march I would carry a 30* bag with some extra clothes and as soon as there are signs of the trail being warmer, I would send things home for the lighter kit. This would probably be right after the smokey mountains. you could carry a 20* if you're a cold sleeper and do the same thing. But always watch the weather, and particularly the weather in the smokeys. Good to know if it will be warmer or colder than expected so you can pack properly.
@backyardfern19233 жыл бұрын
@@JupiterHikes Starting with a 20* EE convert quilt with liner (and plan on bringing my xtherm pad until after the smokies cause I sleep COLD 🥶) thanks so much for the advice!
@paddle_hike3 жыл бұрын
I'm a side sleeper... How can you be comfy on a thin foam pad???? you need amazing ground or there's tricks?
@ZGADOW Жыл бұрын
I really disagree about pads. I’m an inflatable pad devotee 100%. I’ve slept hundreds of nights in many places on an air pad. You are a tough dude if you sleep on that thin foam pad! The comfort is worth it for me and fixing and patching leaks is pretty easy ( tenacious tape is extremely light). To each their own!
@anonymouscommenter22783 жыл бұрын
How do you prevent perspiration from getting trapped between you and the foam pad? A compressed sleeping bag allows moisture to escape better than direct contact with foam. This is more of an issue in the summer when wearing fewer clothes under a 20° quilt. If I can get past this, I’ll stack two pads and slowly cut away what I don’t need.
@daano4652 жыл бұрын
What do you think of an therm-a-rest uberlight torso length? Im kind of thinking about what I would take if making the step to ultralight. It seems like a great option since it only weighs 150 grams, its warmer than a foam pad I suppose, and should be way more comfy. Also, since it is so small, it doesnt take a lot of effort to set it up after a long day of hiking. I also have a question about your use of windpants as basically trousers. I thought about cutting my rainpants and taking windpants. But then i thought, why not just use my ultralight rainpants as windpants and basically as trousers (especially combined with merino long johns). I hope you see this!
@JupiterHikes2 жыл бұрын
Honestly I would just use a normal neoair and focus on cutting weight in other areas. Could go with an xsmall size, or cut one down to torso sized. Another trick is to not fully inflate it so that you aren't so high off the ground. But I could change my gear to have a tent, air mattress, and stove while still being under 8lbs. I say this because the uberlight scares me in how thin it is, and I would hate to have it pop! The rain pants are cool but the advantage of wind pants is that you won't overheat, and if they do get wet they dry super quickly! On top of being lighter weight. If I were hiking in a very wet climate I'd probably go for a rain skirt before rain pants personally
@michaelcowart61003 жыл бұрын
they have patches for inflatable pads and they don't weigh much. Inflatable pads can also be inflated with an attachable pump bag.
@rickostheimer82033 жыл бұрын
Another great video. You mostly sum up the wisdom I've gained on about 15,000 miles of thru hikes and LASHs since I turned 60. I used a foam pad on southern section of PCT worried about pointy things and punctures. But, with care and good campsite selection, I now have cushy sleep on my Xtherm----even on desert sections of CDT, AZT, & GET. At first Thermarest had some manufacturing problems that I conclude caused problems with delamination along the channels across the pad, but Thermarest stands behind there products and replaced my first Xtherm twice for multiple slow leaks that caused it to flatten after 3 or 4 hours and could only be located by submerging in water at town stops. I now find under inflating pad works better and is more comfortable. Recently located and patched a larger puncture at 2am. Patch kit is very light and essential.
@Jazmin_Ortega3 жыл бұрын
Good advice. Although as a side sleeper I tried and couldn't manage with a closed-foam pad. Also, do you use a preset or how do you tinker with the footage to get that tint? I dig the vibe.
@janefreeman41213 жыл бұрын
Im small but have hips. It just might be easier for guys to sleep on hard surfaces... Fewer pronounced curves.
@lilredheadmlh3 жыл бұрын
I'm a side sleeper using a nemo tensor, quilt, and exped mega pillow. My hands fall asleep, the fronts of my shoulders hurt (seem to get very tight while backpacking), and my hips hurt. I never sleep well.... I've thought about switching to hammocking but I get motion sickness very easily and out west there aren't always trees. Any tips?
@Pasequale10023 күн бұрын
are these thermarest pads better than the no brand foam pads? if yes why?
@baitontrail74853 жыл бұрын
I like the video and its very informative but personally I think its very misleading how you explain the concept of inflatable pads without the use of a pump sack which is included and the recommended way to inflate.
@randyholloway9203 жыл бұрын
There are stuff sack inflation bags nowto fill air mattresses now. Haven’t used one, but then Ivenever used an air matreethat wasn’t self-inflating and that was decades ago. Now,the GG tri-foldtorso,the second one you showed
@tomm16773 жыл бұрын
I could be wrong but a deflated sleeping pad would be no worst then the paper thin pad you use... don't get me wrong if I was young I'd give it a shot. Then again I hammock so no pad needed (yes, you need an UQ and other stuff)
@jays73183 жыл бұрын
Age is a factor. You are quite young, so a foam pad is fine for you. It was for me until my late 30's. I won't sleep well without an air mattress or hammock
@billysherlin65893 жыл бұрын
This gives me some things to think about
@MostIntelligentMan3 жыл бұрын
wow i avoided down because in my mind they quickly get destroyed, as in feathers get compressed and stop insulating, but if u say they durable i need to try, as sintetics are just so big and heavy, biggest and heaviest item i care, definetly need try reduce it, also i dont use foam pad, i just find carboard from trash or if in wilderness dry straws or smth and make lil nest
@Teo117 Жыл бұрын
How do you stop yourself from getting drenched in sweat?
@ewoksalot3 жыл бұрын
5:57 "A quilt or sleeping bag is just absolutely essential and is truly THE most important part of a sleeping system" I dunno man... this is one of those things that depends heavily on where you live... here in the Pacific Northwest your most essential system piece is probably whatever protects you from the rain and subsequent hypothermia. I mean unless you want to carry a 20pound wool and synthetic bag/quilt (lol). But if I had to pick between ditching my bag or shelter... I'll human-taco the shit out of my tarp under some logs and leaves. And to be honest, I know I maybe splitting hairs, but after spending a few real wet nights out here... its just my .02 Edited to add: nice work on the pillow snap at 12:40 ;)
@abelnunez-guerrero38323 жыл бұрын
Hellos @jupiterhikes! Aside from the Guthook app, what paper guide do you recommend for the Pacific Crest Trail?
@JupiterHikes3 жыл бұрын
There isn't one universal guide for the PCT, like the AT has AWOL. Honestly I don't think you need one, and haven't personally heard of a good one. Though one may be helpful in planning!
@abelnunez-guerrero38323 жыл бұрын
@@JupiterHikes Thank you! 🏕
@abelnunez-guerrero38323 жыл бұрын
@@JupiterHikes Thank you so much! 💯 🙌🏽
@ajisinthewoods36923 жыл бұрын
Cool dude. Always good info!
@blessed79272 жыл бұрын
Youre hardcore and young. Love it but am amazed you can only use the thin pad and clothes for a pillow. Bless you
@RogerMain3 жыл бұрын
On multi days bike camping or true hike air mat have left me sleeping on hard earth 🌎 Hence, foam is 👍 good 👍 😴
@Lardykins3 жыл бұрын
Jupiter do you cold soak your weed?
@alexhonken3 жыл бұрын
off topic but you ever try a sun hoodie? would be curious to hear what you think vs a button up & hat (which seems to be your favorite!)
@JupiterHikes3 жыл бұрын
I haven't tried one but my friend hardtime really loves his and wore it pretty much everyday of the pct. I think just for weight savings and what have you I'll probably stick to the clothes i normally wear. Tho who knows that can always change!
@alexhonken3 жыл бұрын
@@JupiterHikes i like it as a base layer, and the on demand hood is great, but i love the aesthetic of the Button up and full brim hat lol. thanks jupiter
@rodrev_hiking67573 жыл бұрын
I cant ever use a foampad in Iceland / Scandinavia spring / Fall . Need Thermarest Xtherm R value 6-7 Especially with my Quilt . Also since i use a good Tent with a Groundsheet it never happend that i pinched a Hole in my Pad . Foampads are not for me . I guess every Hiker needs to find his own personal style what works best for them. I dont even try ultralight anymore i pack light and in many regards i choose durability over UL gear. Picked a The North Face Futurelight Dryzzle Rainjacket at 300 gramm over Frogg Toggs or something. Next year i will use Jetboil Skillet Pan at 200 Gramm cause i want to eat nice Steak which i cant boil in my Stove . Having way more Food Variety this Way . Weeks of only boiling Water dashing in a dryfood bag is not what keeps me satisfied and strong for long hikes . Nice Video Jupiter ! Also i found that UGQ Quilts are the most exact when it comes to their Temperature Ratings
@JamesJones-oz9tqАй бұрын
Earplugs. I don’t want to be hearing sounds randomly in the night wondering what it is. Ignorance is bliss and so is a good night’s sleep.