Just Blaze On Puff Taking Producer Credit For Tracks He Didn't Create

[@blackcoder5449]

ONE THING I CAN SAY ABOUT JUST BLAZE ... When I was working with him..... He has people write their name and info to give them credit!!!...

[@remidibeatz8780]

That speaks volumes of his character. What tracks/artist did you work on with him??

[@grownfolksconversationspor5433]

Just Blaze just educated me on the true definition of a producer & it made perfect sense... they say we learn something new everyday on this earth..

[@ScottThrill]

Ghostwriting is the most overblown topic in hip hop. Ain't nobody who's considered an elite MC is using a ghostwriter. Who even used ghostwriters for entire verses? Dre? Puffy? Pete Rock? We rock with those dudes bcuz we love their production. We don't expect them to pen 16 bar gems.

[@TheRedgoldenchild]

Puff is an Excutive Producer meaning he paid for the studio using the artists budget! Aka a PIMP! REAL producers play instruments 👍🏽👅

[@kingofnara]

@@TheRedgoldenchild what are you talking about playing instruments means your a musician, a producer is more of a composer the guy with the stick telling the instruments, and please dont use that tongue emoji no more thats thottish

[@TheRedgoldenchild]

@@kingofnara Your not smart at all! Conductors are used in Classical music grandad not Hip-Hop! Instruments dont take instructions unlike session musicans. Also before you try acting like a teacher or parent look in the mirror at yourself! Make sure you read up on what an *Excutive Producer* is in Hip-Hop/R&B before you jump on my comment. You might need to brush up on your GED English Language! EP'S Manage the Artist and Album and sometimes the Label. It all depends!

[@kingofnara]

@@TheRedgoldenchild yeah that would be great if Puff was just an executive producer, he is not just that, he is a record producer as well you can literally youtube him producing in the studio with people. You dont need to play an instrument to be a producer. There is no need to put the word language at the end of your statement about GED English language, its redundant and sorry for calling you a THOT about your tongue emoji, that wasn't kind of me.

[@dramahawkpromotions9621]

Its the Millennials with that Bullshit. When Ghostwriting has been around from the beginning of Hip Hop. Rappers Delight I will leave it there

[@Carltonway1]

Just Blaze beats are timeless.

[@donniegooden6165]

paqqiApapap0ll

[@maxwelltreasuresegodi4013]

All of them.

[@Somethingsomethingmorbid0]

You aint told a lie

[@adamgordon2572]

Prodigy - Diamond Cam’ron - Losing weight, The ROC, Freeway - Full effect, Don’t cross the line, all dope 🔥🔥

[@Kingjames313]

So are Ike Turner’s

[@THEONLYSAIGON]

I did a whole album with Just Blaze and he knows I never did or would take a WORD from anybody else....... Thats a FACT FACT FAAAAACT.....He yelled at me for writing and having Layzie Bone do a hook while he wasnt there...... Lol. He did write the hook for Believe It though.... 😂😂😂😂

[@damonwilson3609]

Rocking with this "Saigon" if he's the real deal. Instead of Yung Joc...who are you most like,Playboy?

[@worldtraveler4040]

Puff was able to finesse them because they were rappers first. Being a business man/woman was an after thought. As a result, Puff created generational wealth while the rappers created barbershop conversations that consist of memories of what I use to do.

[@beasy5791]

True indeed

[@cassie101]

Diddy wasn't the only one doing this. Many other writers and singers didn't get credit, publishing rights or even financially compensated fairly...

[@jasonwolfe3252]

Dr. Dre took credit for a lot of Scott Storch, Daz and Warren G production.

[@cassie101]

@@jasonwolfe3252 Oh wow!!!

[@rashardstallworth9240]

It is said that Daz Dillinger of the Dogg Pound produced half of The Chronic, Doggy Style, the murder was the case soundtrack, and most of death rows early albums but was never credited until Tupac arrived. After the separation then Scott storage, hitman, and some other producers help Dr Dre produce for the aftermath records in their early stages. But many producers were not credited or compensated for their work on a long-term basis

[@xsquisit34]

The funny thing though, Daz has never been able to recreate none of that early stuff that he claimed he produce. None of his stuff sonically nor musically has sounded the same. Beat-making and producing is two different things. I do believe he had input on a lot of the music that was credited to Dr. Dre but Daz admitted himself that Dre always found ways to take these songs to a different level.

[@imtruckingbolt2537]

PREACH!! CHURCH!! TABERNACLE!!!

[@theempruhstable3601]

Daz also had a hand in All Eyez On Me also. He made a couple Bangers 👍🏿

[@xsquisit34]

Hysman The EMPRUH yup but what a lot of people don’t know is DJ Quik had a hand it taking those songs to the level they needed to be. The chief engineer that was over Deathrow at the time admitted that. He also revealed that the song Daz produced that they are speaking of in this podcast (I Got My Mind Made Up) sounded totally different before Dre got to it. Also, Rage and Daz himself said PAC took Inspector Deck off the song and Daz left his Adlibs on the song toward the end to show respect to Deck.

[@dramahawkpromotions9621]

Yea That's What Daz said

[@dodgerkid05]

Lowkey Godfrey looks like he could be Curren$y's older brother P.S. All time favorite JUST BLAZEproduced track FREEWAY-WHAT WE DO feat. JAY-Z & BEANS

[@littlelee8341]

All time best track.

[@dodgerkid05]

@@littlelee8341 I'm trying to let these people know! Lol

[@raphaeljoseph6952]

That transition between Jay & Beans!!! Fucking flawless!

[@NatHenrickClarke]

I dont see the resemblance

[@NatHenrickClarke]

Breath by Fabolous, that beat is fire

[@Jewn8ug]

Rah digga is the illest. She’s not everyone’s GOAT....but EVERYONE respects her and bows.

[@mildmayheadless5217]

Facts. The skills is undeniable.

[@elp3035]

Can't be a GOAT lyricist if you have people writing your raps. Choruses and hooks?!?! Fine. 16s?? No fuckin way

[@californiawynn8464]

Push use to write long hand and timberland taught him short hand writing to get his point across

[@kaysha]

Producing and beat programming are two different things. They go together but still are...

[@stlrickyjones]

Engineers should get wayyyyyyy more credit. Alot of shit be trash before the mix.

[@UncleBenjs]

Takes a good production to make a good mix and a great production to make a great mix. Put trash in get trash out. Engineers get the credit they deserve, and they also rarely print "their" sound into the mix, their job is to finish the artist's mix. Even in cases of very influential mix engineers who appeared to shape particular "sounds" within hiphop ie: Bob Power, he didn't develop that sound out of nowhere, he listened to ATCQ and figured how where THEY were trying to take it and achieved that as well as he could. All the best mix engineers did was translate the artist's creative goals into reality. I believe it is only beginner and early intermediate engineers who approach from a place of expecting more credit, and also those with their personal ego issues.

[@stlrickyjones]

@@UncleBenjs i feel you, but i've witnessed otherwise. i've seen trash go in and after a great engineer put lipstick on that pig it came out clean on the other end.

[@UncleBenjs]

@@stlrickyjones How did it REALLY stand up against a high quality mixdown tho, like top of the game stuff...

[@stlrickyjones]

@@UncleBenjs that's what I'm saying, I saw a top engineer turn basic recordings into beautiful master's that sounded above and beyond the original. I think engineers don't get enough shine for that.

[@kochisedalonewolf1254]

Nah nigga, that's utter bullshit. Obviously you do not know shit about music production. Hot shit is hot REGARDLESS of "engineering" tf are you talking about.

[@eclips145th]

I agree with Digga.... writers Write, we don’t Bite!!! 💪🏿

[@TheAnvil44]

Lady Rah God the blessed. The way she remembers Hip Hop is the way I remember how it used be.

[@mjg239]

This was a GREAT segment in the entire Just Blaze episode. I watched the whole interview. I learned some things I didn't know about Digga & Blaze's "P & B****" (which was a club hit in L.A., too), Busta coming up with the hook for Digga's "Imperial," the Jersey Club scene (Zanzibar), and about Blaze having Sadat's rhyme book. Once again, another great episode. Thanks!!!

[@veezyv100]

The four bars example needs to be further dissected. If you are in a group and feeding off your group members the four bar/ idea thing doesn’t matter because you are a collective. If someone you in the studio with for the first time or someone out the blue gives you four bars then I can’t fuck with it. I would say thank you for the input and keep thinking up my own shit.

[@TaraGeorge711]

I agree with Digga. If you get help you can’t be crowned as one of the greatest MCs. You have to give co-writer credit to who helped you. If you write a book and paraphrase something someone else said and give no credit then you plagiarized. You won’t be a credible writer.

[@archangelbeats8663]

negative thats why the game has lost its integrity. if you had a ghostwriter you cant even be in the top 50 foh

[@DJThree8s]

It's only being defended because drake got caught and he was the top guy and people were afraid to speak against it. It was never even a discussion b4 that you were disqualified automatically

[@udontknowme6764]

The games verses were never written by anybody else let alone 50 now did 50 cent write 12 hooks on The Documentary yes he did

[@D-Reality]

A truly great rapper writes their rhymes 💯

[@elijahkhane]

Look at Godfrey when they talk about the rhyme writing lol 😂

[@ADWillio2]

Godfrey very seldom is quiet.

[@ginoblackofficial]

In terms of bars: Most of the greatest emcees of all time cannot write great hooks. But the hook is what sells the records...

[@esseen100]

Only Kanye (who's had ghostwriters, I know, I know,...🤦🏿‍♂️)

[@ginoblackofficial]

@@esseen100 right, right...lol Kanye is more than just a rapper. he gets a pass as an artist. I personally love him as an artist. Myself, as an emcee and producer, i believe the hook is the selling point. I've never used ghostwriters for my records, but I have helped (as a songwriter) other rappers write their choruses and hooks.

[@esimms5101]

Biggie Smalls is the illest

[@esseen100]

@@esimms5101 he did make some hooks now!

[@esseen100]

@@ginoblackofficial he's(Kanye) the best artist of the last 20 years.

[@DJThree8s]

Nobody ever disputed ghostwriting was the worst possible thing you could do as an MC until drake got caught. That's when people started defending it for the first time ever bc, they were afraid that the top guy would do something to hurt their career

[@mccray699]

Believe it or not all artist have used reference tracks or had a ghost writer even had somebody toss them lines for a track

[@damofoman69]

I wish I could like this comment, more than once.

[@TheMannerlessShow]

that's simply not true....literally the most famous and important song in the history of hip hop was Ghostwritten.....Rapper's Delight

[@TheMannerlessShow]

@Tom From myspace fam..Ghostwriting has been a part of hip hop at every stage in its history. from Rappers Delight to the Chronic, to today...it just is what it is...Jay Z even got bars and hooks given to him his whole career...mfs gotta stop being salty

[@cherylglover9119]

Drake isn't a MC or rapper to me.

[@hardworkingcriminal4873]

It disgusts me as a hip hop lover to hear these veterans try & make having a ghostwriter something that's cool & acceptable.

[@charlesjohnson536]

'DONT WORRY IF I WRITE RHYMES(OR PRODUCE BEATS) .. I WRITE CHECKS' - DIDDY(FROM A RHYME HE DIDN'T WRITE)

[@jaredlhulum]

but diddy isn't considered a producer (although he didn't technically make beats), not a rapper...

[@SetInTheWestDoc]

Just Blaze is one of the greatest sidenote: I produced a doc on west coast Hip Hop, where are the docs on Brand Nubian and the Outsidaz? We need to see them!!!!

[@wtiinvestments9085]

Great conversation!!! 👊🏾

[@MarcvWhitley]

Who would win in a Patchy Beard Verzuz between Lord Jamar and Just Blaze

[@NatHenrickClarke]

😂Just Blaze beard got the mange

[@eastside313yahdig.2]

T.I

[@keithbrown8366]

Ima have to go wit just blaze on that one.

[@damienwilliams9010]

😂

[@redred9382]

Blaze,👎 Lord Jamar handsome wit it ! Charismatic also ✌

[@k.cjackson2927]

Just Blaze Got That cook 🆙️🔥🔥🔥🔥🎼🎼🎼

[@bsmgamblesteven6879]

Godcast Broadcasts Will Always Be Legendary!!!

[@rashardstallworth9240]

An artist being too proud to allow a producer to help them with a song is the difference between somebody selling millions of records and somebody selling tens of thousands of records sometimes. The Producers job is to help the artist with how to say something, timing, imagery, subject matter, and from time to time help them change the lyrics to something that's more appropriate to the song. As an MC and Producer whose worked with artist all over the Bay area, Central Valley of California, Southern California, Oregon, Las vegas, and throughout the South I can tell you the artist that allowed me to help them had way better songs. Some rappers talk about things that have nothing to do with the song topic, some of them rap off beat, some of them say things that make no sense, and they need a producer to help them stop doing that. Some rappers say they don't care about being on the radio and back in the day without the radio nobody would know who you were because there was no internet presence the way it is today outside of Myspace.the money came off of being on the radio, which allowed you to do shows, especially if you were independent. And the artist needed the producers to help them understand that it is a business and it is about making money.and a producer has to help an artist understand the difference between making a beat and producing a song, then making an album, making sure the album is mixed properly and mastered, making sure the graphic work is done properly to attract people when they look at the cover of the CD or tape or record or Internet photo.

[@damienwilliams9010]

Bruh you know aint nobody reading all this right?lol smh

[@damienwilliams9010]

Bruh you know aint nobody reading all this right?lol smh

[@terrymiller111]

@@damienwilliams9010 He said something about MySpace.

[@damienwilliams9010]

@@terrymiller111 🤣

[@l3tme545]

If a producer write ur whole aura and look . I think thats a gimmick act. I do agree with shaping the sound to a seller. But I don't agree making a sucker to. Gangsta T-bo on the mic

[@shooshoo448]

I agree with digga!! Don't give me NO BARS!!!

[@rodedwards8108]

Just Blaze...Erick Sermon and Pharrel have the best stories!

[@SoulOfTheSouth]

You can tell Just is a hell of a collector. I ain’t mad at you because I am too. 👍🏾

[@cherylglover9119]

Dude got paper but needs to fix the grill etc

[@WillEvans]

I need at least one Just Blaze beat before I die 🥺

[@young2486]

All i wanted was a Just Blaze instrumental Close enough coz now i just blaze instrumentals (Saint Frederick-2015)

[@coolb8545]

Who was that MC spitting that knowledge at the beginning of the vid..goshallmighty that was the craziest 8 bars or so I ever heard and I've heard some good shit in my days I'm 52

[@CoolTy23]

Why do we still fuck with Puffy anyway?

[@johnnyb5984]

Agreed

[@TheRedgoldenchild]

Puffy Stole Al B Sures Son!

[@adamgordon2572]

@@TheRedgoldenchild : And killed his mum, Kim Porter 😏

[@jasonmarshall7786]

MCing is poetry over music whether or not you like a certain artist.....that’s why MC’s are critiqued differently than other artists..... that’ s writing your own rhymes

[@MJamesIII]

One of the things that irk me more than anything is people taking credit for other peoples work.

[@arthurswanson3285]

It's clear as day to me Puff stole production credit on "what's the 411" with mary j & grand puba. That Ohio Players baseline + that echoing piano....mannnn. Puff never dug in the crates like that a day in his life.

[@TheRedgoldenchild]

Diddy was a backing dancer! He dated Andre Harrell and Clive Davis in order to say "Take That, Bad Boy, UH HUH, 96 motherfucker!" all over Biggie, Total, Craig Mack, 112 and Mase albums while charging them all a 10% management fee and charging them all an apparance fee to be "All up in their videos" and Ripped off James Brown in the process by sampling 70% of James music without paying homage to him!

[@Hiphop_Love]

Y’all just say anything without proof

[@pactown8188]

Producing and beat making are two different things. You can make beats but not know how to produce a song big difference

[@baddheaddCASE]

This was an excellent upload. In my circle these points have been discussed in length. Not enough room here to add my 2 cents, but I got a lot to say lol

[@againstthemajority6659]

Just give ppl their writers credit if they contributed to the song

[@secondbest21]

The line that they are asking about has already been established: There's rappers, and then there's MCs. And they are both valid...

[@tlig]

25:24.

[@ownyourmasters7890]

It's no secret that Puff was taking producers' credit for tracks! He's not the first to do this! Robbing people of their publishing!

[@divinesoul7]

Im with Rah Digga. The one that writes your rhymes might as well hold your microphone

[@kingofnara]

I almost turned the channel because of the ad I thought I was watching the wrong type of video, those usually my late night videos

[@TheColdrush22]

A Sadat X rhyme book?!?!? And Symphony lyrics?!? Absurd. One of my favorite emcees of all time. So slept on.

[@StreetsmosTv]

Just Made a great Point On writing That was great point what makes rappers diff then singer Rappers want their shine

[@Jerzeejaylive]

Forget the GOAT topic, the way I came up wit hip hop, if you didn’t write your own rhymes you couldn’t even be considered a legit MC! Period.

[@dottydizzot5896]

25:25 Puff talk

[@paxtonhgaysr.9826]

Don't They all? So many Label Owners capitalize on doing Bullcrap by doing this. Remember! Money is STILL the root of all EVIL.

[@MVP_MAGAZINE]

Y’all did Just Blaze Dirty with the Thumbnail 😂 😆

[@curtisg2727]

"We have to die with our hard drive empty. We have to die with our brain empty." ~Just Blaze

[@Somethingsomethingmorbid0]

Just blaze.. THE OG🔥🔥🔥👊

[@drblakeslovick4607]

Just blaze having horrible audio on a interview is weird. Maybe on of worst ever.

[@dominickmorales130]

Godfrey said I rather write the rhymes....LOL

[@jaygee8969]

The hook and the verse are separate entities but when meshed correct, makes for a good project!

[@shooshoo448]

Lord Jamal has been given bars, I can tell from his stance..😪

[@ojmatthew]

Why can't Just Blaze hold the camera up at a normal height? He's walking around with the camera pointed up his nose lol

[@ericdemby4644]

That's where where puffy hanging out at reading Sadat X's rhyme book

[@coolb8545]

very annoying

[@DJMOESKIENO]

Super annoying

[@scarzwr]

He is using a laptop

[@cashcowtv3203]

Bless up family....--💪🏼🔥 your show is popping...

[@D-Reality]

To me, there are very few times where I can see it appropriate to have a ghostwriter. For the most part, I can see it happening in a group project. For example, my homie had a couple of bars he wanted me to say on his project. I didn't see a problem with that. The same thing applies to using other people's rhymes. I may have used a famous quote, or line INTENTIONALLY for others to catch. You should know there's a thin line with using other people's material... and you should know for yourself when that line is crossed. I understand where Rah is coming from. That's where the term "biting" came from.

[@victorwood664]

It's like when your writing a essay or research paper and get writer's block.

[@bobbydijital7776]

wish you all the best 3 of y’all

[@dominickmorales130]

Love that producer knowledge

[@gailjackson8187]

Peace Yannameen God Cast 👨‍👩‍👧‍👦💚

[@biggmonie]

Dude....His camera angles were killing me! Get it together!

[@vonniev0n]

*Randy Jackson

[@devinbrown4454]

Blaze is a legend

[@freddyb6105]

Someone coming up with the hook is like the editor writing the headline

[@sisd888]

he took the credit cause he got the ear and he orchestrated the other producers.

[@ProfessorLyrics]

A lot of people in here just don’t know what a producer is

[@unplantedseed]

Let’s keep it 100 Dr Dre does the same damn thing

[@AgentSickOrange]

Not really tho, Dre actually is a engineerm Dre mixes the tracks and actually is active on the boards. Diddy can't even twist a volume button, he just says what he want's to hear. There's a difference.

[@unplantedseed]

@@AgentSickOrange facts but the topic was producer credit

[@BeeLineInternational]

That's why Rah is Rah! STRAIGHT UP!

[@lovetronlawrence2482]

Duke Bootie Co-wrote "The Message". Big Daddy Kane wrote "The Vapors". LL wrote "Rock It Like This". LL wrote MC Lyte's verse on "Self Destruction". The D.o.c. wrote MC Beeed's 2nd verse on "I Gotta Get Mine". Nas wrote "Get Jiggy Wit It".

[@paulmoose979]

Lord Jamar, would you consider Playing Brand Nubian as bumper music while we’re waiting for your Podcast to start? ... Maybe DJ some of your Hip Hop picks.

[@matrix2030x]

this was a great convo

[@blackdonte24]

KRS-ONE said he would've loved to have had ghost writers. With that being said, Rah Digga's bugging! If the GOAT would've accepted that shit, there's nothing she can say!

[@wellconnected7780]

Making music is a collective process. The song is always ultimately creditted to the performer. Michael Jackson is commonly considered the king of popukar music. Motown was creating the songs. The Ghost writer is called ghost for a reason. Our generation of producers are heavy sampelist yet Ye is still a goat producer. The deliver of the content is the primary creditor.

[@loxycylon]

Big up Lord Jamar and Rah Diggah

[@jaspercooper5180]

"am feel rah"....

[@jaycee7417]

Just blaze with that taco meat face beard 🤣

[@redred9382]

Exactly 🤣hard for me to watch damn near cringeworthy 🤫

[@goodswarehouse1645]

Great podcast!!!

[@zlistcelebrityYT]

The fact is most rappers can’t craft songs. If you got bars and another ear lends itself to the song letting you know something would sound better, that’s akin to stepping back and looking at your art while you paint as opposed to staying right in front of the canvas the whole time. If you say a line or two and someone else hears something you don’t, that’s not “writing your rhymes for you.”

[@Jewn8ug]

You can’t take someone’s piece of brain and idea....and say you’re the greatest.

[@dxavier3787]

It’s irrelevant, because Daz was given sole production credit on that song.

[@skorwolf2719]

Dr got credit for shit dj quik did daz did sam sneed alot of ppl dre got credit 4

[@DeAndre1970]

Dre definitely took credit for a lot of Scott Storch’s work......

[@lovetronlawrence2482]

Lauryn Hill had several writers that she denied credit for the "The Miseducation...

[@Burrdmizzle]

This debate was interesting and hilarious😆

[@skillzlife1]

Can you credit lil Kim as a good mc yet biggie wrote for her 🤔

[@iamLexxKelsey]

Its crazy how many artists dont write no more

[@kirkstewart4556]

A very vlad like headline

[@rasheemthebestfirstone3274]

What you expect Lord Jamar been learning now he executing since leaving vlad even more especially because of quarantine also. They consistent too, good interviews dynamics for everyone

[@dialoguingwithnasir2878]

I’m not a woman but hell no!! I’m not taking bars from no one. Help with Hooks might be okay but hell no I wrote my own bars. I with Digga

[@brandonholmes8026]

Yo digga is a real MC period

[@jaspercooper5180]

"just got finished watching I want my name back..about the sugarhillgang.."... speak " there issues...the group got robbed

[@deebrown1113]

Puff is a better executive producer without doing beat production. Look at Usher’s first album and how he assembled song writers , vocalists , musicians , etc. No body had done it better ; maybe JD .

[@ctcmonk]

🗣JUST BLAZE!!!!...

[@thataurus2492]

Irv did the same thing he took credit for the production of "Put it on me" and the guy that actually made the beat called Irv out on his lies

[@rashardstallworth9240]

If you're not touching keys, program and drums, touch and strings, plan Bass or any of that then you are not a producer. When it came to the off The Wall album and the thriller album Quincy Jones actually wrote music for horns, streams, baseline, and other things. Michael Jackson added what he had to that, and a few other people did as well but overall Quincy Jones was the one that put that together and it has never been duplicated since. Quincy Jones is a producer and a professional horn player among other instruments.

[@jaredlhulum]

if you lend the melody, you can be considered a producer. As you mentioned michael jackson, he didn't play instruments or did programming, but he provided melodies, so therefore, he produced, or helped produce, records...

[@rashardstallworth9240]

@@jaredlhulum I totally agree but that's not what's happening. 112 did an album for Def Jam and Diddy took the to court and put it out on Bad Boy and then added his adlibs to an already completed mixed album. That does not make him a music producer, he was an executive producer and label owner bad boy boss but not a music producer

[@leogolive]

Whoever is responsible for a song or group of songs becoming a RECORD is the producer. You can do that without touching a single thing in the studio. I do however feel it’s beneficial to have some musical talent, i.e. playing a little guitar or knowing some music theory, or even engineering or mixing.

[@TheMUSIKLVR]

I'm paying for no commercials, and what do I see ?