Justin Sung GRINDE Maps vs Buzan Mindmaps

[@AhmniApp]

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[@messinr1335]

can u release the app for android also please

[@leo_santi]

ANDROID PLEASE

[@Aj-fd4ne]

can we download the above note (canvas) through the app??

[@AhmniApp]

@@Aj-fd4ne If you email me I can send it to you, [e-mail]. If you have the app I can send you the original file, otherwise I can send a high res image.

[@hikikomorihachiman7491]

Wow… Justin sung already being compared to the historical figures 🤯🤩🤩🤩

[@o_l_i_p_o_p7476]

I loved this video, I've wanted to see a critical video on the GRINDE method for a while and did not disappoint. I've been watching Justin fro a few weeks on it and have already noticed that the deeper processing of his method is not only more effective but much more fulfilling to learn. The pointers on how to improve (and personalize) it were MASSIVELY appreciated!

[@levernis5753]

Finally someone who explains how to do this!!!!

[@Zayyan_Shaibu]

I love how the definition of grinde maps was the very concept underlying the structure of this video. Genius idea, genius execution.

[@Gigusx]

Interesting video, thanks for posting! I'd say the main reason for the lack of a "focus question" in GRINDE maps is that questions already form the base for all relationships you'll include. You continuously ask yourself about the connection of the concept you want to include on the map with what's already there, or simply about the concept's importance and larger role in the topic you're learning. In other words, the question is implicit on the map, but explicit in your mind, so to say. You also don't know where the map will lead you because you keep iterating over it and updating it as your understanding changes. The "focus question" could be a good starting point but make less sense as you learn more material (in this sense concept maps seem to me to be more intended for topics you already know well rather than learning new ones).

[@jasper5394]

Thanks. This was the most comprehensive video ive seen on the topic. Nice work!

[@RaffaeleMadeddu5]

This channel deserves million of views.

[@naninano8813]

omg, thank you! Buzan is the reason they never worked for me and i always cycled between thinking it was a good idea and realizing how stiff and shallow the use cases are, trying to develop something new and then abandoning them completely and sticking to sketchnotes

[@KyleMondlak]

This was very insightful. Really hope you keep making more vids like this

[@edward2557]

You have my absolute appreciation for such detailed analysis.

[@craigmarley5926]

Most interesting. Near the end you talked about improving on the GRINDE Map. Love to see you do a video on exactly how to improve on it for the ultimate learning tool.

[@TJJuan-oh1gz]

thank you, nice to see a third POV. The only other sources of reliable info regarding mindmaps is Archer Newton & Cajun Koi, glad you elaborated on the historical background and nuances to the technique.

[@longboarderanonymous5718]

This should get hundreds of thousands of views!

[@NewDarkKnight]

After watching many of Justin singh vid i understood his mindmap method and using it for months. It definitely same as what you said in this vid.

[@wertytrewqa]

thank you so much for doing this analysis, this is exactly what I needed.

[@speedrunmaster_]

Doing a GRINDE Map in a video on GRINDE Maps is so based thirty 🔥Keep up the good work!

[@LuceReviews]

Fantastic explanation that filled in so many of the gaps I had in my understanding of mind mapping techniques. Thank you!

[@joshuatibio4767]

Wow! Great Video! Justin Sung is one of my Online Mentors, you are doing a video about him, makes me hope to see your future videos. ❤

[@MrGrokNRoll]

I used mindmaps (maybe not *exactly* following Buzan's recommendations :) a lot at uni. It was a great note-taking tool during lectures. Why? A) Because there usually was a focus topic for each lecture, so the central starting point was clear. B) Condensing things down to keywords, pictograms and relationships forced me to process the material and C) at the same time allowed me to follow the lecture because mindmapping was faster than taking verbatim notes. Reviewing the semester was also easy because each lecture usually fit on one A3-sized sheet of paper. So I had each lecture topic contained and could find out really quickly what I still remembered or where I was unclear and needed to hit the books.

[@MrGrokNRoll]

My mindmaps were highly individualized, so I doubt anyone else would have gotten much use out of them. But it's exactly what made them useful to me. I also had a common color code: color for main topic, for a few hiearchical steps, one for examples and one for creating cross-connections between branches. And I would also include callouts with quotes, formulas or anything else that was pertinent but did not fit into the pure mindmap structure.

[@MrGrokNRoll]

But, yes, mindmaps are limited. I used other methods as well, often visual metaphors or diagrams. Right tool for the job and all that :)

[@ghostydoc5660]

Hey, great vid. Justin's videos on mindmaps are very vague in a way, and i have a lot of trouble doing them. Could you please make a detailed step-by-step video on how to make a effective mindmap? Thanks

[@fullandempty]

Check out Archer Newton - he's a study coach that worked for Justin. He has a great video explaining exactly how to do a mindmap

[@halesbellss]

I have this issue too. I felt like his videos circle jerk the idea but don’t get to the point but gaslight you into thinking there is a point.

[@TaghredRagab]

@@halesbellss It is probably because the meat of the topic is in Justin's icanstudy coarse, if he were to explain how to do mind maps in one video with a clear method and way, the course would be less useful.

[@halesbellss]

@@TaghredRagabvery true but that’s actually part of my issue. KZbin content shouldn’t be 10+ minute advertisements for your course. I the same issue with Clark kegley’s videos. It’s like watching an essay a high school kid wrote where there’s no real point but he hit the 900 word minimum. Like he talked about the stuff around the point but missed the point all together. Then at the end of the essay saying “buy my course after I just circle jerked you around for 5 pages” “buy my course after I just circle jerked you for 15 minutes!”

[@jankyyard5610]

Having a detailed explanation of how to make an effective mindmap kinda defeats it's purpose. Because at the end of the day, it's about your understanding on what you want to study/master, rather than the mindmap itself. It's like you're focusing on the penmanship rather than the content of your writing

[@guruprabhakrupaa736]

ykw i really think you guys need to work on your promotion of the app and getting people to know you guys. you app is literally perfect for me ( well i also hope there is pdf import and export) but hands down so much easier and better then one note ive been using for a while, i also use mindmaps and this is the perfect app for me to sketch out my ideas and make it a extension of my mind. but i think you guys really need to partner up with influncers or anybody who will give you visibility for this app! good job guys!

[@yashS4201]

i actually understand it better when you explain how it works in only about 12:54 mins , i would definately prefer 10-15 mins videos only for learning the learning techniques compare to 20- 30 mins videos, don't stop keep posting just be careful of copyright strikes as you have small channel which will allow you more prone to them as using content of other channel maybe , but best of luck for the channel.

[@productivity6693]

Excellent video. I do have to mention that Germane Load is an old concept. In the newer model it is called Optimized Intrinsic Cognitive Load -> Working Memory devoted to the creation or automation of cognitive schemata.

[@productivity6693]

Warnings against certain items of GRINDE are available, though only when it is taught in the course. I, Mr. Hoorn, have not achieved that part of the course because I was banned at the Kolb's stage for still unknown reasons.

[@AhmniApp]

Thanks for sharing! I'll consider covering recent work on Cognitive Load in a future video.

[@productivity6693]

@@AhmniApp No worries.

[@davi.constante]

Thanks for the video! It would be awesome to listen Justin's perspective on the subject, maybe one day you can make a video together!

[@tomasroosguerra8338]

This video is super useful for making better Mindmaps! I've had to watch it 3 times but I'm getting a grip of it now. I'll be using the GRINDE map while still explicitly naming the connections - I think that will be helpful for understanding. Ps. Also, another random though. Perhaps links are to be avoided because that basically just is the same a writing a long sentence which might narrow down creativity.

[@paramjitmeher1154]

Amazing video, absolutely loved it

[@MuEnViFitness]

Loved this. Hopefully you'll keep creating videos

[@LordLuisIII]

What a video, very impressive your ability to explain these concepts. I didn't know there was a checklist for Novak cards (nor its origin). My conclusion is that Buzan is just art, Sung is trying to reinvent the wheel (and sell it), while Novak was trying to create a tool that works in complex cause and effect problems. Please make a video only about Novak maps!

[@knw-seeker6836]

That’s such a nice explanation I read find Justin’s ideas interesting but the way it’s explained either from him or others are in my opinion too complicated With the exception of Cajun Koi That was the only time it was a little bit simpler

[@abdelhakimkhabir]

Good video I love it so much I had the same question before but I've ignored, they you for the ideas.

[@shubh_2733]

That is so amazing content , such a comprehensive view of mind mapping!

[@lovefool1616]

You got yourself a new subscriber. This is quality content. Great job and thank you!

[@nicklau2769]

Wow. Every part fits so well into the presentation outline. Then at the end when you drew lines to connect each part everything clicked into place! I hope you do more videos on learning!

[@karan66884]

Thank you it was a very informative video on using different mind maps

[@adnanazmi.]

You naughty rascal... your knowledge in MMs impressed me and got me to download Ahmni. I went to your website and everything... to find out you do not have it for android. Can you make it compatible with Samsung tabs please?

[@levelup2014]

I would love a video on how you personally go about making mind maps, do you have a specific template you follow when creating one when learning a new topic? Do you have your own personal checklist you use for evaluating your mindmaps?

[@IsomerSoma]

9:33 that's not true. Aiming is a more elaborate version of a focus question and while it isn't directly within grinde its part of the learning system without which grinde wouldn't work. 12:12 again not true. There are many more criteria e.g. "broken glass" or "spider webbing". There are a number of ideals and pathologies for grinde developed and listed. It's also not true that in grinde maps relationships may only represented by arrows. To understand a relationship deeply especially the most important ones that will form the backbone is a crucial part of grinde. It however will be almost entirely nonverbrose. The only words used will be anchors. What is entirely missing here is that there's a technical always true hierchy in grinde: logic, concepts, details. Nailing logic or the backbone is the key aspect of the process. If you get this right everything else falls naturally into place. Grinde is only half the picture at best. It relies on 3 steps or 2.5: AIM+Shoot and Skin. Sung calls this the Bear hunter system or short BHS. Its essentially how to skip lower order learning (in blooms taxonomy) and engage in higher order learning consistently and quickly, which is not trivial at all. BHS is the core. Grinde is almost supportive. The goal aftera isn't a mindmap. Its what creating such a mindmap does in your brain.

[@AhmniApp]

Thanks for the discussion, very useful. > Aiming is a more elaborate version of a focus question I think you're referring to "Restricted Inquiry" from Justin Sung's "Report On Learning" which is described in the report as "a select few domain-transferrable questions". Given the example focus question in the video (Why is the brain considered the center of cognition?) maybe you could describe how these select few questions would be more elaborate? > its part of the learning system without which grinde wouldn't work. If I understand correctly the implication of what you're saying is Justin Sung's KZbin content is not helpful on its own?

[@IsomerSoma]

​​@@AhmniAppHis KZbin content is certainly incomplete and i don't think grinde maps can be used effectively without BHS and also grinde lacks detail in his KZbin content e.g. there's no analysis of what can go wrong and there's a lot that can and will go wrong. However even more importantly sungs course doesn't introduces BHS+Grinde right from the start but builds up to them with defused and less complicated/demanding versions of these to get accustomed to some basic habits and to figure stuff out on your own/ get creative in your practice to have this than refined, corrected or readjusted in the next stage. There are also supportive skills that are substituted most important of them all metacognition facilitated through colbs experiential cycle, but also time management and planning. Its a system that relies on being decent at each of its parts to be effective. However if you are it has tremendous efficiency gains. The one he advertises with are not exaggerated. What's aim? Asking "focus questions" all the time (of type: relationships? Importance?) and letting these questions guide you through the material abandoning linear order (going from page 1 to 2 to 3 ... chapter 1 to 2 ...). In this phase you already hypothezing about potential chunks, but you go very rough and broad over the material. In shoot you go for the detail. Combining these steps into one requires you to based on quite little detail evaluate whats the most important. Than you oscilate between aim and shoot. The problem with the focus question is that it pre frames the topic. That's its point. However this frame might not be most ideal. You want to have many focus question like questions and compare them and their answers in how effective they are. You can't hit the best ones, but have tk develop them. This exploration is where the learning happens. What his learning system lacking is procedural. It is very focused on declarative knowledge.

[@piyushsingh960]

@@IsomerSoma Yep someone who bought his course can tell there is lots of difference between his channel and course. The course has guidelines, checklists and proper examples of what to avoid. His grinde maps which evolves with the process of BHS is best imo. Incredibly helpful and force you to think in high order and has many valves throughout process where you have to go back and correct the understanding if you slacked and used low order thinking (i.e. finding knowledge gaps and compensating). Pre study -> Lectures -> BHS -> WPW revision is a robust framework

[@speedrunmaster_]

@@piyushsingh960 don't make assumptions on what's right for now in the ics course. confirmation bias there was not good - being in ascent 2 I know what you're talking about and once you reach summit justin has a video on the whole system. P.S - don't leak info on the course please, we're strict and i don't want you to get kicked.

[@piyushsingh960]

@@speedrunmaster_ I have completed the course 1 year back, and reached the point where I can tell through my Kolb's what changes in the system is appropriate. The unconscious competent level The philosophy of each thing I told is the same but my underlying cogs are differently placed and optimised according to my context.

[@webflowdeveloper]

You got a subscriber, great video ✨

[@Allofthedaysofmylife]

Timemark for myself 7:57

[@Semuamg]

thank you, it is helpful

[@callmedeno]

The focus question + most of sungs ideas appeals to me the most. I have found the major problem with his method as I've practiced it is getting the right scope, and he doesn't speak much about the possibility for different perspectives about the same topic. For example, imagine history where we could look at the peloponnesian war from the perspective of democratic decision-making vs economics vs military. If you try to include different perspectives it becomes very hierarchical and unweildly. Yes we could spoke off all the events 3 times and then try to connect things, but it seems to me it would be much more cohesive to actually take these as separate maps. His advice has kind of led me to try too hard to have single map for a whole topic, or even subject, where I try to iterate towards some ideal representation. I think using focus questions I can more easily build multiple mind maps, it feels more natural. What is your latest experience?

[@AhmniApp]

This is pretty close to my takeaway as well. I'll have some videos coming out about using this idea in Computer Science and Engineering, but your history example is great, too.

[@iangiurda]

Interesting. I'm a CS student who recently discovered Justin's channel and I didn't know about this historical context. It makes more sense that the method Justin teaches is an evolution/variation rather than a kind of revolutionary method created by himself (which is what I thought and made me mistrustful, especially when somebody says that the top students in the world don't know about these techniques).

[@Valeria-sx7uv]

Oh, believe me, they know. I graduated at the top of my program (Economics) and I used mind maps a lot since high school. A lot of other people I know used them too. They are not however some magic tool. They just help you to understand your brain thinking process better. With time you will be able to process information more quickly and put it in the right spot.

[@Theo-wv5tz]

can you make your own version of a mindmapp and show a stepp by step porcess of how you would do it

[@Ayang-nh7ud]

Hello, I wanted some advice. How can I use any of the 3 mentioned mind mapping (MM) for highly factual concepts? For eg, Qs: "Describe the detailed procedure for construction of a highway in a hilly terrain." Here, I am expected to write all the steps (say 10) and explain them for at least 6-8 lines and there are lots of pure facts that must be remembered for eg. the trace cut path way must be 1.2 m, ruling gradient up to 5% for above MSL 3000m etc... My point is there can be so many facts that you can't write in a MM and that the question doesn't test knowledge on a higher order level, its basically asking to cut and paste a portion of the text book. I realize that the steps themselves can be recalled in a broad sense using a MM but how to deal with such density?

[@AhmniApp]

It's almost always useful to have a high level understanding of the topic before memorizing anything. For example for definitions the goal is to understand the topic so deeply that you could come up with the definition yourself, not regurgitate something memorized. If you still need to memorize, even after deeply understanding, a few popular memorization techniques include: Chunking (mindmaps), mnemonics, method of loci. To chunk 12 steps you might break them into 3 groups of 4 that make logical sense to you, and then break each group of 4 into 2 groups of 2 that make logical sense to you. Then instead of recalling the individual 10 steps you start by recalling the chunks and reconstructing the mindmap. To use one of the methods of loci you could come up with a memorable story, location, or picture that captures each of the elements in the list. Then finally it's important to practice retrieving this information either directly (memorization) or through manipulation and application (understanding) with spacing.

[@يوسفناصرحنون-د8ز]

Keep going bro 🖤

[@mexid2569]

Brilliant video

[@supreetsingh6038]

Very comprehensive. Justin is not this clear in his course

[@frogautistic]

all 3 a good, different use cases for each..... ps can we get iCloud sync in ahmni app please?

[@levernis5753]

Please make more videos on mindmaps.

[@marlinhicks]

Super useful video

[@knw-seeker6836]

Could grind maps be also effective or more effective for example psychology exams in which have to know a lot detail?

[@AhmniApp]

It's always smart to decide what your goals are and work backwards from there. GRINDE maps are marketed as a tool that improves processing, deepens understanding, and potentially improves memorability. However there are other good mnemonic devices out there for memorization, and other revision techniques for skill-based knowledge. But, yah, I think they'd be useful for that situation, in addition to plenty of revision.

[@knw-seeker6836]

@@AhmniApp thanks a lot for your explanation

[@SimGunther]

Sung has a similar idea where he has a parking lot of ideas before creating hierarchies that makes the connections more sensible. Keep in mind this doesn't replace the processing the brain must perform as far as comparing, contrasting, chunking, and connecting past information/experiences. However, these maps make the next set of connections easier to create.

[@thebeatles9]

:OOOOOO!

[@IITIIT-o2m]

Nice

[@MotiO-ru3lc]

video is quite great and useful. but it's hard to read what you're writing on the screen 😢 could you please write bigger❤

[@ericabaez3033]

Could you please share what note-taking app do you use? Thanks ❤

[@ericabaez3033]

Oh, I just read the description. It is “Ahmni - Infinite Canvas”. I’m leaving my comment in case anybody forgets to read the description like me.

[@Derecichei999]

Your app looks amazing. Shame I'm not an apple user.

[@edmel144]

All these maps are still only a model of how and expert in any field does or thinks about something. Something tangible which is almost exactly a mid map is a call tee graph from programming.

[@faysoufox]

Nice video. One note: it's "complements brain" not "compliments brain".

[@AhmniApp]

Nice catch haha. Was hoping no one would notice 😄

[@IN-pr3lw]

Im kinda lost, so.. which one should i use

[@RussellHTF2]

Justin Sungs

[@thewicked8040]

Do the app even for android please!

[@Phil858]

For android, check out Miro.

[@edmel144]

I traded wasting time doing mindmaps to wasting tome customising Obsidian.

[@ysaegon]

No man sung ask qsts in his grind mindmaps

[@AhmniApp]

Do you think GRINDE questions are better than Novak's focus question?

[@jeongsungmin2023]

It depends. The downside with Novak’s approach is that you won’t always have a focus question in mind. In that case using Justin’s method of inquiry (why’s this important, how does this relate to other things I already know?) works better because you can then think of focus questions a posteriori rather than a priori.

[@jeongsungmin2023]

Take the best of both approaches and do what works best. Ultimately u gotta experiment to see what works best. Take their advice with a grain of salt

[@janechapman7801]

Read Suzanne I. University thought it just said follow what yourbrain is doing which is what Justin says obviously unless you are an artist you aren't copying the illustrations on a book it's about the ideas not the art thankfully relationshipsshoukd be what your brain is doing you make links where they are. You draw what you are learning at the level you need to wp adapt any methods to your brains learning not someone else's resign. Difficult to describe this for teachers trying ti demonstrate they have to start you off with a system you then adapt to you!

[@PcMG444]

1:37

[@edmel144]

My artistic skills are not great and hand writing worse. I get taking hand written notes is more optimal than just digital for learning by my hand written notes always just shamed me, for me digital is the way to go. I think this highlights a problems with Tony Buzan mind maps, is your creating a piece of art which is not back of the envelope reproducible. A digital mind map however can be more easily changed.

[@ysaegon]

Bro sung is the goat

[@blitzer658]

ive been looking for effective studying techniques but ive noticed ive hit a point of diminishing returns how come all the best learners dont even know or use these techniques?

[@PeriodiseThis5197]

The techniques facilitate the development of deep processing and higher learning skills through what the evidence supports. Elon Musk does not succeed per se by the lifestyle he lives, but rather in spite of it. Moreover, everyone knows about the how we have ‘learning styles’ when in reality the brain can work with any of the VARK mediums. It’s a myth. Will some high performers swear by it? Sure! But it’s a fallacy to suggest that all high performers are united by their techniques. Innate deep processing accounts for a lot. The next best thing is to leverage techniques that cultivate your ability to do it and arrive at the same result.

[@gokucrafter9456]

Like football, you don't need to learn to pass to intuitively learn how to pass. Like in chess, you don't need to learn techniques to be good at it. But the techniques, ensure the cognitive development and habits to go in a correct way, rather than falling into normal distribution like what we see as 1% geniuses. Just like how going to school, just improve your probability of being "smarter" than those who don't. There are no such thing as A studying technique, an omni-potent tool that makes you become the demigod of learning. You need training, and training and training, since most of us are not lucky enough to fall into an environment that's prime for development, so we must build that environment ourselves

[@paulopaulo3774]

Man, the person who says getting rich is not related to luck is just wrong. But the issue would be the concept of rich. Say, for an average Nigerian family, having a salary of an average American would be success and even rich. Even here in Brazil some people would call that rich. But when we're talking about rich like becoming a millionaire, billionaire, they usually did something and that something went viral and they got some people to work and expanded it, with really good working team. So i see people taking lot of Elon Musk advice like, this guy only got one thing that made him successful and people assume him to know everything 😂 but this is the market. You might make really good product, but if it doesn't stick, you won't get rich. So there is luck involved, yk? If you eventually grow, you can make it even bigger like elon musk is doing investing in new Technologies. But if you want to get a good and stable life and achieve your dreams as well as maybe beating some competition and opening new doors, mastering the "learn to learn skills" are really valuable. These stuff is relatively new and there haven't been many people into this now than there will eventually be in the future, so let's get ourselves ahead and master our brains so we can absorb like a sponge and become intellectually powerful. You don't have to buy books, download pdf on free book sites, take a look at the different types of Epub readers, adjust font...

[@blitzer658]

​@@gokucrafter9456 i am critiquing the way these techniques are presented in the course i pay a hefty price for things i dont even want what if i want to just learn about the study techniques themselves , yet i am locked behind procrastination techniques that i dont really need

[@abdullah_abisola]

"We want learning Biology on a Tuesday to go just as well as Calculus on a Friday" - That is soooo relatable Btw, I'm actually in exam season and I studied for Calculus on a Friday and am going to be studying for Biology tomorrow (Which is a Tuesday)

[@AhmniApp]

👀What are the chances?

[@victorgold571]

This is not a good explanation of Justin's Chunk Maps, as others have pointed out.

[@王沛元]

In fact, the way you try to learn about GRINDEmap is not really accurate, because the thing you do is just looking through the KZbin channels, looking at the research, Buzan and concept map and compare is correct but the method of studying GRINDEmap should be learning it in Justin’s learn how to learn program iCanstudy

[@nishapk7751]

Have u enrolled in his program? Did it help u

[@王沛元]

@@nishapk7751 yes, I did, it is indeed life changing

[@abdussalamkhattak6871]

Wasted my 12 minutes 😢 one of the most notorious explanation

[@AhmniApp]

😢

[@edmel144]

All these maps are still only a model of how and expert in any field does or thinks about something. Something tangible which is almost exactly a mid map is a call tee graph from programming.