Kabhi Main Kabhi Tum | Jafaa | Exploring the Elder Daughter Syndrome | Sadaf Haider | Mahwash Ajaz

[@vgm3067]

I stumbled upon your channel today and absolutely loved the mature , modern and on the point discussion. You both have such pleasant personalities and I am SO glad to have finally found someone who understands intricacies of the human emotions and are trying to analyze a drama through a lense of logic and trying to find the WHY behind every action a character took instead of senseless rambling. Instantly subscribed.

[@vgm3067]

I completely understand Sharjeena’s actions. She made Mustaffa her life. I am JUST like her and clinginess, hyper independence, over dependence on the person you made your life etc are all results of trauma that’s stemming from within. Irony is both of them are dealing with their own childhood trauma’s. They both needed better communication. And abba should have talked to her daughter and gone there to see how his son in law is turning every stone to make her life comfortable instead of just passing unnecessary comments. Life is not turned overnight. They were overcoming their battles slowly and steadily and her family should have respected that boundary. Now when I am alone I understand the root cause of my own behavior and although it’s very hard to ask for help, I sometimes do call out my friends when I need emotional support.

[@sadafhaider8419]

@@vgm3067thank you for the lovely comments,and I think we are so lucky with our writers that we all find this so relatable

[@sadafhaider8419]

❤

[@vgm3067]

@@sadafhaider8419 I agree. One of the best projects in the recent times that I actually wait for to air. I plan to binge watch it once it will finish. Everything is on point with the drama except Natasha. They could have casted someone sophisticated to match Adeel’s personality. And Naima’s green dress 👗 may not be the most elegant outfit for the night but was glammed enough to draw everyone’s attention to her. Serves the purpose :)

[@DramaBuff05]

Always such a pleasure listening to you ladies, very good insight and intelligent discourse 👍🏼

[@sadafhaider8419]

Thank you so much

[@Bia592]

9:24 so correct

[@sarat8577]

I love the attention to detail in KMKT. These days I look forward to the fridge opening and the pink water bottle coming out . Their apartment feels all too familiar and feels like home

[@MahwashAjaz]

You and me both!

[@nuttycracker-z7q]

The writer is showing us that our inner complexes are so strong, that they make us do wrong things in life... be it Adeel, Mustafa, their mother or Sharjeena.

[@MahwashAjaz]

Yep

[@saimasayany5017]

Lovely discussion on elder daughter syndrome

[@engineering-madness-dev]

As per a recent interview of Badar Mehmood, the casting of Hania and Imaad was requested by Farhat Ishtiaq herself

[@MahwashAjaz]

Nice

[@Bia592]

30:56 sharjeena had one issue only k rishta khtam hua to uski family ny aur us ny bhi khud ko jo mila (mustafa) shadi kr li. Lekin mustafa jise hazar ha issues wo sane rahe. No way!

[@nuttycracker-z7q]

if you don't restrain yourself, your biggest strength can become your biggest weakness

[@sanji546]

Excellent take on this i heard it right away

[@Bia592]

I’m team mustafa ;)

[@Bia592]

27:12 door kiya bhaga wo to chala hi hy abhi

[@shank3553]

Lovely discussion enjoyed the nuances and reasons behind character actions. Elder girls syndrome is interesting to me coz I cant really relate. It would annoy me that why is she always trying to be perfect and written this way but makes sense now 😳 Feel bad for her but still feel in an emergency she should have called her parents or sister why would anyone not call family if in pain or scared for baby . Mustafa has not stooped her from calling and going there he just didnt want help which i really got annoyed at him but am pretty sure he told her to go stay with them for a bit she wanted to be here obv doesnt excuse his neglect it just annoys me why they have written it as shes in so much despair with family in same city if foreign country I would understand her parents are useless sorry to say like they can come see her at least🤦🏻‍♀️

[@Bia592]

26:21 pesa… mustafa k paas to hy hi nahi bajio. Abhi 6 maheeny hi to huy use…. Sharjeena jo kr rhi hy wo sirf pregnancy hormones hain aur kuch nahi

[@raya4934]

Deebu's unconditional love & hero worship towards numair has scared him as he is terrified of her view changing when she learns of his secret as he it seems attaches infertility perhaps to his manhood.as a Dr.he has so many options & his attitude is surprising.sharjeena case makes me think of pre natal depression.her reaction is irrational & extreme & not simply pregnancy hormones.he isolation & stubbornness & secretive nature too in impending any progress.mustafa does check on her & asks her if she is fine but she shuts him out.his. office hours are dreadful & he should know better but her howling was troubling & an over reaction to a mere loss of attention.p.dramas are really frustrating as pregnancy is never shown & no one knows which trimester she is in as she is flat & moving fast & normal.its ridiculous & pemra should reconsider as its just natural & doesn't need censorship.rubabs time has come & adeel deserves his downfall but rubab is mean & self centred too.

[@sadafhaider8419]

Good analysis

[@MahwashAjaz]

Great points raised

[@sanji546]

This is so right women has nonvalue of himself

[@sairamalik6638]

27:00 👍

[@agul5758]

One educated Surjeena not even calling ambulance emergency service just reclining crying she calling Mustafa y not ambulance or mother to share she in pain her crying echo for wat to gain sympathy to make Surjeena victim n Mustafa bad 😢😢😢😢

[@sadafhaider8419]

Her name is Sharjina

[@Bia592]

29:43 i have IT background so I know developers ko kitna kaam hota hy. Hahh

[@mariaatariq3713]

I feel the missing part of the relationship between Numair and Deebu was intentional. On paper it is a perfect relationship but you can see there is something missing and something is holding Numair back. He might have gave in to the intimacy demand of Deebu as a part of his responsibility as he has the pressure of being a perfect man and an ideal husband. I also feel hiding his condition before marriage was wrong and this thing doesn't give him a right to question Deebu. Also it's interesting that a young guy knows about his infertility before marriage. His romantic life would have been completely destroyed. Explains it why he is so unromantic and inexpressive about his feelings. And another important thing is that Numair hasn't got the safe space to talk about his issues and feelings in their relationship. He deserves a chance to openly talk about his issues. I really hope they explore this topic more rather than going into classic Numair doubting Deebu track.

[@MahwashAjaz]

Valid points!

[@Faisal_Manzoor_khan]

​@@MahwashAjazwhere would and to whom he will discuss, he is a man, it ain't that easy. Society has created an unforseen pressure. Let's see how he deals the situation. The situation he is in doubts ... Let's see whether he makes deebu's life miserable. Or burn himself from inside.

[@MahwashAjaz]

@@Faisal_Manzoor_khantrue, we don’t encourage expression for men

[@sadafhaider8419]

You are right

[@Bia592]

11:54 hassan should be kept in jail and have his court trial and there they should put him to psycho therapy. Otherwise wo bahar aa k bhi baqion py ghussa nikal sakta hy

[@agul5758]

I differ Mustafa has no ego especially for Surjeena no ,Surjeena showing ego gap bitween them also coz of her ego she became judgemental too like her father she started seeing Mustafa with different eyes Mustafa ne notice bhi kiya ki Surjeena ab tanz bhi ker rahi judgemental tu higyi saath tanz bhi she was sitting sulking sitting sulking thinking negative about Mustafa Mujhe alone kerdiya Mujhe alone kerdiya It's 2024 she was shown bold she propsed Mustafa thy both fated boy n girl Surjeena boring nurdy practical to fun n emotional Mustafa shuld crave love attention support coz Mustafa was disliked by parents coz he was carefree often with frnds b4 marrige Mustafa shuld long for more live care attention but no who craving for love attention Surjeena who got loving caring parents n siblings. Men work wives do many things alone happily shopping docter ki visits school meetings school functions its not big deal . Its quite fair . Men earn for family. Surjeena depends on Mustafa for smile laugh wat rubbish she in emotional mess she could go to mother her younger sis could come to live with Surjeena Did v see Mustafa stopping Surjeena from meeting frnds co workers mates parents, no v didn't. She could go for walks shopping she left job n MBA in pregnancy dats wat I understood. Wives themselves bring change in dull boring routine Surjeena was not some helpless ignorant she was bold practical she sitting n thinking sulking cursing loneliness without any positive thoughts she even bought expired vegetables she even ignored Docter 's advice

[@agul5758]

I hv two examples Meeno from Zurd Patoon ka Bun n Surjeena from KMKT Even Meeno' s pregnant frnd is good example. Surjeena urban girl Meeno village rustic girl Meeno 's frnd pregnant she was alone she called Meeno for sleep over her frnd knew Meeno not hving mob or phone Frnd called in clinic made someone call Meeno , here wrtter showing responsibility responsible wrtting Meeno came frnd gone in pregnancy Meeno who villge girl didn't give up she tried best turned no Stone unturned took pregnant frnd hospital for saving mother n baby V saw opposite in KMKT urban girl educated girl Surjeena whom audience consider ideal wife ya she feeling lonely bored no job no MBA classes just sitting thinking negative negative thoughts brought depression she never visited parents frnds siblings co workers she isolated desperate n gloomy Empty mind devil's home. Thn she felt pain she not calling ambulance crying crying crying 😮 Look at Meeno she villge girl she thinks about family planning she didn't care for fame name she openly asked boy bacha hoga tu meri murzi se hoga She even giving her condition to Nofel. Wrttimg plays important role .

[@SAMINAHASNAIN-ft5vj]

This is why ZPKB is an absolute masterpiece. Agree with you

[@Bia592]

Why drama makers are showing these days that a girl with bad cahracter will get good husband but a good character one will have bad husband. Hahh

[@Lol-os2uh]

Why was the producer is pissed when someone called Numair impotent?

[@Faisal_Manzoor_khan]

He is not impotent

[@Faisal_Manzoor_khan]

That's the message we want to send there is difference between impotency and infertility. Unfortunately in our society it is such a taboo and put a man in pressure that they can't talk it out because they will not be considered a man

[@Lol-os2uh]

Jafaa- Showing us that 99% infertility hai and she got pregnant after one time. This is stupid, if they wanted to talk about infertility then woh pregnant na hoti

[@Faisal_Manzoor_khan]

Oh one time, how do you know

[@Faisal_Manzoor_khan]

Salam! She will go through therapy... And yes the thing is how he treats deebu, will he be typical man that's the question?

[@MahwashAjaz]

Hope he remains our favorite green flag✨

[@Bia592]

27:33 sony py suhaga pathetic is sharjeena ka abba

[@agul5758]

Jafa , Mwara ese story pick kerti jin main jub wo murne ki qareeb hoon muuut ki nuzdeek ja ker wo buj jaati Ik Tamna lahasil ho ya Udari ji hero ki saath play jis main Mwara ko in ki husbnd agg se julane hi wale thy per Mwara buj jaati phir aaya Jafa Jafa main bhi she could hv been dead or seriously injured eyes lost bone fracture Mawara as character comes out of jaws of death . This act this seriousness thus character can not b up lifting coz character showing bear bear face death thn become wise brave come out of painful relationships

[@agul5758]

Bushra Ansari ko kmkt main Rubab n Adeel ka asli face dekh ker Jo dukh sadma mila phir Adeel ne dhooka de ker gher liya old parents ko homeless kiya Bushra Ansari ko dekh ker dil ice ice 🧊 higya dil garden garden howa q ki Surjeena ko Bushra Ansari ne in kmkt insaaan nahi samjha us ki izat tu door ki baat Surjeena ko bura bhi smjha Dukh howa Javad shaikh ko dekh ker un ki haath kaannp rahe wo dekh ker wo beti ko bol rahi call ker meri ab job nahi tu biwi ki nazar main beta sahi main ... uff Kiya lines thi Javad shaikh ki Allah se Dua kerna 😊❤ wo wise dua ❤

[@agul5758]

Let's go back let's remind recall all previous episodes. Surjeena to Mustafa main tum ko change nahi keroongi jese ho wese raho jesa rehna he wese raho V saw she didn't mean 😅😅😅 V also watched Surjeena to Mustafa ( whenever Mustafa asked her to go to her parents) Mustafa mujhe tum ko chor ker kaheen nahi jana mujhe mut bolo ko anmi Abu ki gher jaaon mujhe tumhere saath rehna he ( coz Mustafa was mostly home he was jobless he was mostly working on line so Surjeena might hv thought he will hv glue he ll stick he ll stay home thy chit chat drink tea make home sweet home) 😅 oh come to the point Surjeena claimed bad times good times tough times hardships v face together I m nt sorry to say Surjeena failed she badly failed her big claims big words wasted when tough time loneliness faced she got emotional sulky upset unfair judgemental too her all big filmi words claims fake coz tougjt time proven she is weak girl she seeking attention love care craving all pampering like some kid ye tha asal exam asli trail for both

[@sanji546]

Exavtly sharjeena is not showing self love she is gross dirty muhabbat hai but yeh kia hai