Kadena vs Edgar Markov vs Ghired vs Borborygmos EDH / CMDR game play for Magic: The Gathering

[@Mtglilypads]

Miguel draws and rewuwuw i was laughing uncontrollably

[@sephyrias883]

(16:17)

[@DarkEinherjar]

Maybe striking deals with the Sultai player who never ran out of cards wasn't a very good idea...

[@TheMightyBattleSquid]

Sounds like the games with my best friend's Inalla deck. People keep trying to get on his good side to avoid a bit of removal in the early game, but the longer the game goes on the more likely he is to win. That's why I always make it my mission to point stuff at him when possible and enourage others to do the same by reminding them what happened the last time they tried to be nice because he didn't have anything scary *on* *the* *board* .

[@cameronbyers7335]

@@TheMightyBattleSquid I know this is 8 months late.. but that's is the most frustrating thing.. losing because people were scared to be mean lol

[@faerie7dragon]

This game reminded me of that "Cursed" Derevi, where you were dissapointed in all of your life choices that lead you to the moment, where you keep drawing colorless or tapped lands.

[@PhazonOmega]

Miguel played that Kadena deck so well! It makes me happy to see someone else who enjoys that deck. :)

[@Currie.McFlurry]

My wife has a super awesome Kadena deck. We play in a higher power meta, and Kadena has about a 75% win rate lol Kadena is super good

[@henrivalencia21]

@@Currie.McFlurry do you have a deck list. Would like to build kadena that can win in my playgroup

[@couver2997]

Kadena always starts out so unassuming and then by the time you realize she's out of control it's too late.

[@Kazz1187]

Honestly haha

[@afspeellijstnaruto]

I find it awesome that a almost fully precon morph deck won the game XD. Recently bought that deck and I was suprised at how good it works without even put in upgrades. Also...love ghired (altho i did pump it up a notch with better cards :P) Cool commanders, cool plays, have a like :D

[@boneheadcycler1412]

Everyone is always afraid of Edgar, but this is how it always goes. A couple wipes usually ends him.

[@PaulGaither]

That is because this is a bad and slow list. Strong Edgar decks play tons of 1 and 2 drops + fast Mana rocks + fast tutors + mass card draw like Wheel and Ad Nauseam + anthems. I have laughed off 5 board wipes in a single game and won because it is so easy to rebuild. Another example is how Liliana, Dreadhorde General & Dark Prophecy laugh at board wipes. Suddenly I am drawing 2 cards for each card it cost me to play. Oh,and while you and the rest of the table are busy wiping the board, you are often not advancing your own game state, or at least not as much as you otherwise would be, which causes you to time walk yourself. Purhoros, God of the Forge means I do not have to attack to win.

[@jtarotgon8213]

@@PaulGaither respect.

[@gilang4838]

@@PaulGaither any suggestion for edgar build bro? As a new player in mtg, i want to build vampire decent deck (already have edgar markov)

[@PaulGaither]

@@gilang4838 - Yes 1. 30-33 creatures. Make sure almost all of them cost 1 or 2 mana if possible. Only a few vampires should cost you 3+, and those should have a HUGE impact on the game. 2. Card draw + tutors. The best you can afford. Lots of it. 3. Ways to improve your swarm. Permanent cards (artifacts and Enchantments) that grant +1 or more attack and some sort of evasion. There should only be a few "silver bullet" answers in your deck. We don't want to be reactive. We want to be proactive and aggressive. The game play is to get a lot of vampires in play and early, pump them up or otherwise make them better and draw cards. Choosing who to focus your attack on is important. Oh, and ramp. The best you can afford. Do not use slow ramp like Signets, because they require Mana to activate. You can use faster ramp like the Talisman cards which allow you to use the Mana that turn. They look similar, but there is a difference, and it matters.

[@miabanda1196]

@@PaulGaither do you have a deck list- I would love to see some examples for my Edgar deck

[@CromwellMTG]

It's been two years and we're still waiting for that fire borborygmos list

[@jameslabbe4119]

Love the list but landcount might be a little low

[@CeilingNinja]

Kadena's precon was excellent. It was strong enough out of the box and only really needs a few adjustments to be made into a powerful EDH deck. I love that the decks here don't seem that powerful, I could see your decks being played easily in the EDH Discord.

[@matshbocks]

As a proud owner of an upgraded Kadena Pre-con I can say Kadena has some killer potential and can get out of hand quickly if built the right way. And it's a Morph commander that cantrips each time you cast a Morph. Imagine making morphs *free*

[@xgxwills2857]

This is insane, I have 3/4 of these commanders, what a time to be alive. Well I guess that's what happens when all your commander decks are precon commanders XD

[@Andy-ye2re]

I gotta say, dealing a total of 9 damage to players with Borborygmos instead of killing Kadena or literally anything else was an awful play.

[@ru5h1n68]

When he did that I cringed so hard

[@Toxicated13]

I love how in your videos you show the cards, so I cna pause and learn them! Brilliant! Absolutely love your efforts! New subscriber right here 😁

[@thundering1]

You guys were REALLY nice in letting Kadena live. There were numerous times Kadena could have been killed - particularly when Bobo was throwing a handful of lands around the table.

[@seasnek7024]

11:04 when you notice both snake umbra and abundance hit the graveyard in a borborygmos deck...feelsbad

[@LachlanGB]

It was fun seeing Edgar again, felt sorry he got blasted each combat by removal, but that's edgar.

[@carlosespada6350]

Thank you for providing us with Good EDH games... I miss playing.

[@AA-sr5mr]

try skyping/zooming/alternativeofyourchoice! my playgroup has been cramming in games in this quarantine. all you need is a smartphone with the app to stream you board and a laptop to view the ones of your friends (:

[@nahboi483]

I love Morph because you’ll have no cards in hand, and everyone will be tapped out, and the Timmy will play a massive splashy card, and everyone will start to sweat, but then you flip a fucking wizard and counter it, and they go to do it again, and you counter that too, and they just look at you like: 👁👄👁

[@90spepe]

Muddstah hey man love your videos. But can you upload a link to see the deck lists of each deck? Personally I love that Borborygmos deck. Gruul commanders smash their way to victory

[@Tehnameless1]

I got tired of updating my list online, so I took it off the web. If we can get in contact, I'll send you my current list

[@awesomeatm]

Kevin grouping Dyad Arbour with his lands - yikes from me bud

[@RunninOnYT]

I remember playing against Dryad Arbor for the first time. Ofc the player hid it between his lands. And yes, suddenly there's a suprise blocker.

[@Discollama217]

I miss the decklists.

[@jackinthebox1993]

THIS IS LITERALLY MY FAVORITE PLAY CHANNEL

[@DarkEinherjar]

It's always a sad day when a green deck starves for mana... :/

[@rhymeswithmoose228]

:(

[@faerie7dragon]

Some games are just bad, lol

[@EZ2BCHEEZY36]

9:43 Bishop should hit for 5 because of the forerunner trigger

[@coreysierchio4650]

Ghired is my favorite. Sometimes you get the mana screw. Way to pass the blame by saying it's not your deck. Love your videos.

[@behemoth1158]

"And miguel swings at me with his saprolings. I block one with my voice and take 6." With a beautiful voice like urs u can block all 6 and more andrew

[@gjones9356]

Kevin let Ricard from the early game get to him. The choice to attack Ricard instead of focusing down the obvious threat (Miguel) was horrible threat assessment.

[@_ForgottenOutcast_]

14:33 Kevin shouldn't have given back Chrome shell Crab, that's not how that card works. Chromeshell crab says exchange 2 creatures, it doesn't say until end of turn

[@gregmata3132]

That 17 at Kevin's face early game reaaallllyyyy must of upset Ricard when he got his blind obedience blown up xD

[@dreddbolt]

Super cool. I'm in the middle of building a Kadena (Slinking Sorcerer) Morph Tribal EDH deck.

[@sonsysy4195]

Ricard should've casted Captivating Vampire and shifted to a control strategy.

[@zachw3548]

Should've stolen kadena immediately

[@mastershake42019]

Green sun to find a dryad arbor is pretty dope trick. Ima remember that one

[@deathdollmania]

Fkn love Edgar, I also get killed first though 😭😂

[@voxkine9385]

Strange, my Ghired deck always struggles to find land early on too...

[@hhrr7224]

Why would anyone be making deals with top left at all, especially at the point where he has taken very little or no damage and everyone else is hovering around 20? Top right basically gave him the win by refusing to do anything remotely aggressive towards him. Even when top left was the only other player with a real boardstate and removing his commander would totally disrupt his plan, the guy just keeps focusing down a creature deck with no board and a token deck with no lands. I've noticed many of the games on this channel have similar results too.

[@ru5h1n68]

I find it so hard to believe that no one drew a boardwipe to handle Kadena

[@Sladde81]

Hey there stupid question here .... I am making my first real Commander deck ..... I am building a Edgar Markov deck and am looking for some advice ..... I would like to Play around 38 vamps and I just need some advice on the build especially in the mana base , especially if I cannot fill it with 20$ plus lands

[@specialkender]

Keep the cards big on screen for more time please, no reason to make them small before the next card comes in. Helps especially if you're watching from a phone.

[@jeffkuykendall3189]

Why did you fog before his combat step? He could have tapped all his creatures before then..

[@TheMadDogHouse]

As a kadena player myself i would love to see the decklist for his deck as mine is very similar but there are other cards which seemed awesome in this deck!!!!

[@afspeellijstnaruto]

apart from that ob nixilis. I don't know if i saw any other non precon cards tbh. Maybe the lands?

[@Abraktil]

ghired is a beast deck, too bad he had a mana death

[@PaulGaither]

It is sad to see each Edgar Markov game is with slow "value vampires" when low cmc swarm vampires are much better.

[@sintwelve]

Dat sorceror! Them tricky plays.

[@PhazonOmega]

Where are the deck lists? Is Muddstah not including them anymore? D:

[@JujuInFlames]

3:20 isn’t the tribe elder unable to block since it’s tapped?

[@AidanWR]

14:25 Miguel didn't discard enough lands, that's only three, which is 9 damage

[@MTGMuddstah]

The fourth was tucked under one of his lands

[@AidanWR]

@@MTGMuddstah Okay, was wondering

[@PhazonOmega]

No Kadena game is complete without the Crab! :D

[@AidanWR]

Westvale Abbey should be exiled, I think, because it's the same card. I couldn't find a definite answer, but I'm pretty sure that's the case

[@Jseuph]

can I see a deck post for Ricardo deck?

[@kylekinz123]

Gonna need that Kadena list dawg

[@brianshanahan5274]

Just based on what was played, I think it's the exact same decklist as the precon.

[@KingYolos101]

Getting mana screwed in green, RIP Ofc the blue player wins smh.... jk Kadena just gradually netted too much value, the Kadena player definitely needed more attention and or pressure.

[@sintwelve]

But miguel is such a great guy. You can't possibly assume he's up to no good. What? He's playing sultai so it should be obvious? But guys.

[@BalldoTM]

where are the decklists?? :(

[@GunbladeKnight]

I think you should have shocked and used Farseek one turn earlier.

[@Schiedog]

Was that your deck Muddstah? I prefer your Selesnya token deck.

[@MTGMuddstah]

It was Miguel's Ghired deck that I borrowed.

[@icedreamer9629]

Very confused. If starstorm got countered, why did the vampire army die???

[@laluckyman]

They all got sacrificed to Westvale Abbey

[@harounjusttrying6650]

Great game

[@KippSa]

Wow Miguel clutched it

[@metatron8578]

How was discarding three lands with Borborygmos Enraged enough to take out Ricard on 12 life?

[@MTGMuddstah]

It was 4 lands discarded. One of the lands got lumped underneath. Sorry!

[@metatron8578]

@@MTGMuddstah Thanks for the clarification, I really couldn't see it. Looking forward to Thursday.

[@dimitrijejeremic8569]

lists pls!

[@CalamitousCactus]

Does Ricard have a channel?

[@stacywilliams6965]

Anyone got miguels list on kadena

[@Adhuan]

Meat and eggs. We eat!

[@TallgeeseMark1]

Something between the soft classical music and the tone of your voice always puts me to sleep. Mtg the true nerd lullaby

[@jaredcovington3930]

I would have put money on you winning that game with two lands, ramp, and Rishkar's. I was so sad to see two draw pass turns :/

[@addambarcelos]

so unlucky. failing to draw lands is the worst feeling

[@sephyrias883]

4:56 F

[@ivanczar9413]

Decklists please. :-)

[@joelb7756]

16:18

[@Atavistic07]

Miguel and Ricard showcase just how pushed some of the precon Commanders can be in this game, whereas Ghired is an example of how clunky and disappointing they can sometimes be. But plenty of interaction made for an entertaining game.

[@TheArbiter1999]

Well of course Kadena is gonna look good when people keep making deals with her player and literally not killing Kadena once, allowing Miguel to get insane value off of it. When people actually interact she's perfectly balanced.

[@Xeno-MTG]

Actually in my playgroup Ghired seemed to be the strongest out of the box. I play Kadena and the deck is very vulnerable if Kadena is taken care of because all of a sudden you lose your best card draw and mana efficiency engine. The morph cards on their own aren't really that good. Ghired has a lot of high-impact standalone cards and almost every play is relevant. That being said, I wouldn't ever change Kadena, she is so much fun to play :)

[@torinwilliams4671]

MORPHS!!

[@evafox9696]

Anyone else watch these at 1.5x speed?

[@Zerafin_]

Decklists? 🥺👉🏼👈🏼

[@michaelbeagle2304]

So only 2 mins into the game and you wasted your turn 2... shock and play your ramp seeing as you had no more land in hand unless you drew one or play the greaves, cause you didn’t do anything that turn. Little things that help improve

[@michaelbeagle2304]

Now see turn 4 don’t have anything on the board and they way ahead. Because you valued 41 life over 39... you lost 2 plus turns just because of that

[@rinnereaper2436]

Finally kadena wins lol

[@dtopa7524]

Why were they all attacking Andrew when he was behind? What a bad play style.

[@thetimebinder]

To get Bishop and Borborygmos triggers.

[@Punintentionally]

Kadena is arguably too good. Won't stop me from playing mine, but still

[@afspeellijstnaruto]

plenty of busted commanders out there imo. and most morph creatures are not that good :P. So meh, i love my morp deck but i would not say she is too good.

[@Punintentionally]

@@afspeellijstnaruto Agreed. She's no Korvold or Chulane, but she is still a VERY good value engine and it doesn't take much to make her go off.

[@matshbocks]

She has some cards that can make her a monster if not dealt with. Which means a lot of cold war pacts work to her advantage

[@afspeellijstnaruto]

@@matshbocks let me know some of those cards pls. I still have to upgrade the precon so advice is always welcome :D. (already seen commander's quarters episode about Kadena though)

[@Mordred5586]

@@afspeellijstnaruto Maybe words of wind and equilibrium. Add to that some flash enablers like teferi, mage of zalfir, alchemists refuge and Vivien champion of the wilds

[@WiiTara]

This game just shows again how much I hate Edgar Markow. His Eminence Ability is just far too strong popping out an insane amount of tokens for a tribe that has so much access to pumping them to insane values and the worst is: You can do nothing against an Eminence ability which makes it in my mind a very poorly designed Ability.

[@sulaimanhyatt-butt1453]

Someones salty. Run more wraths, edgar is easy to deal with.

[@90spepe]

Edgar Markov is broken! He is banned in cEDH for a reason

[@90spepe]

@@sulaimanhyatt-butt1453 I played two games against Edgar Markov (and other players I don't remember what they were playing). While everybody was playing signets and ramp spells edgar markov already had 6 creatures a one drop + token, a 2 drop + token and a three drop + token. And yes a Pyroclasm will kill most of them but many games you just don't have the exact answer at the exact time.

[@DarkEinherjar]

@@90spepe If all three opponents can't reliably wipe a board when necessary, they deserve to lose to whatever creature swarm deck they're facing, be it vampires, elves, goblins, dinosaurs, dragons, homarids... And Edgar isn't even close to cEDH material, why would he be banned? You're probably thinking of Duel Commander, but a lot of other creatures are banned there as commanders as well.

[@sulaimanhyatt-butt1453]

@@90spepe 😂😂edgar isnt banned in cedh when did vampire tribal become the best deck in competitive when we have Oracle and consult that are the best 2 card combo.

[@BChaines99]

Miguel's constant card fidgeting is so distracting/annoying. I cant even finish the video. Which sucks cuz i love your vids.