These 4 Scripters Got Caught and Banned

[@NotsilYmerej]

“Me am veteran, he not cheat” Is either someone so broken by rampant cheaters, or a cheater himself.

[@akun50]

Possibly even a cheater who plays against other cheaters so often that he think cheating is normal. IIRC, Fall Guys has cheater-only queues, and I know I've heard of other games doing the same.

[@naingaung2748]

@@akun50me when i play Escape from Tarkov.(do they even still have a cheating problem?)

[@torri776]

Most likely a cheater. My Summoner name in League is literally Screw Cheaters because they've become so rampant that I've been directly hated on by most players just because of my fair stance.

[@NotsilYmerej]

@ I’m saying this based on basic logic, I’ve never played LoL, and probably will never; I just like laughing at cheaters getting caught

[@RitzStarr]

@@naingaung2748 Depends what you mean by cheating problem. Basically only cheaters play the game now so it's no problem, they all have the same advantages. Lmao.

[@synniestar]

i don't know anything about LoL (nor am i inclined to learn) so the breakdown of how obvious it is that these people are cheating is super helpful. i'm honestly confused as to why anyone would say they aren't lmfao

[@cursedhawkins1305]

It's mainly because they might have played with them at one point or another and to them, they seemed genuine... that's the hook... a scripter isn't going to make it obvious that they're cheating UNTIL they WANT you to know that they're cheating.

[@lilharm]

probably are cheaters themselves or stand to gain some benefit from keeping them around (so bad they can only win when a cheater carries)

[@frostiels58]

Honestly, people just like to be contrarian on KZbin and Twitch, not sure why, if I had to guess it would be because they want to feel like they are the smart one here, making them superior to you in their mind even if they are just obviously wrong

[@blindfire3167]

It's to feel "Superior" because they're Dunning-Kruger players usually (someone who believes they're the best of the best but only gets held back by their team when in reality they're constantly making bad plays or doing badly because they make poor choices). They always want to feel like they're good players and everyone else is just below them, so when they see something impossible, them being able to say "Nah I do that constantly, it's completely normal!" is them giving them that feeling that they're superior. Psychology gets even more interesting when you go to videos of pro players (take Counter Strike for one, where reaction time and aim usually matters the most but someone out thinking their opponent will make people believe they're cheating by predicting where people will be and keeping their crosshair head height while peeking) and it's constantly people crying out cheats because they feel like they're good players and can't do anything close to what the pros can. The infamous "Crisp Clean Lock" guy is a great example where it's literally THE SAME TYPE OF PERSON (usually) but for completely different sides of the ball...humans are weird lmfao

[@cursedhawkins1305]

@@frostiels58 Oh that's because people will always try to be better than someone else, also just food for thought but just because you ARE in a tournament doesn't mean you're exactly a professional player... there's probably been more times than not where someone had been caught cheating in such environments where everyone's expected to be the top of their game.

[@dexter5339]

I have a 0.7389 KG reaction time (used a chicken pasty to measure it) and I can say for sure they are all cheating

[@thecabbagecartguy7491]

I believe this, probably one of the most mathematically accurate forms of measuring time that.

[@shockmazta3116]

the fuck is a chicken pasty????

[@Paryeee]

best comment i have seen

[@danielsolyarikov7908]

I mean, mass is a measure of inertia and, technically, the RT calculation via mass might be viable

[@titusfortunus2916]

The biggest tell of the script isnt dodging the caitlyn net. Its expecting the caitlyn to even go net at level 1 instead of Q, who does that?!

[@extrem1354]

I used W at lvl 1 but not net, i was questioning that aswell

[@Jandiss]

not to comon, but on higher level players just hold level 1 skillpoints in case of an invade, and level accordingly. Also the Cait started with Q. The fight happens at level 4

[@Snakehad95]

Someone with a brain. She is playing with Ashe, she can't do anything to protect her, not even scare or kill them away, cause Ashe lvl 1... all that while playing against Xerath Jinx, two champs who could start vs them with stuns and descide the lane at wave 1.

[@Jandiss]

@@Snakehad95 Cait still leveled Q level 1 the fight with the Net happens at level 4, pay attention People 😂

[@moredortor]

Riot: Give us kernel access and you will never see a single scripter again. Scripters: how about 4 of us at the same time?

[@jeffrbake]

I mean, they got caught pretty fast

[@ruined_yuki]

just because the anticheat is kernel doesn't change anything since the cheats themselves run at the same level it's the main reason I stopped fucking around with cheats and reporting them to riot as I'm not giving cheats kernel access to my PC way too many things they can do without you knowing

[@jeffrbake]

@@ruined_yuki Often they do install viruses. Very rare to find a cheat that is not full of malware.

[@steelixian1705]

@@jeffrbake Not fast enough, Those scripters could of made a lot of people quit. They had around 10 games each before getting banned. Games are 20-30+ minutes LOCKED in

[@ruined_yuki]

@@jeffrbake not really rare to find cheats without malware you just need to know where to look and who sells cheats without fucking you over

[@MiniScy]

The fact that they do this in low MMR normals and ARAMs makes it even sadder. They aren't getting anything out of it, other than feeding their fragile egos.

[@goldstorm1925]

ive done it once in aram jus to see what they did but uh its not fun having the game play itself

[@TritonSparrow]

​@@goldstorm1925 see I think that downloading a cheat and then going against the hardest bots to see just how boring scripts would be to have... Would be a fun event vs bots or sum?

[@chosenuwu]

true lol

[@moredortor]

look like group of cheaters test their tools and see how far they can go with it, it surely not their main account.

[@o-pwrdhd]

@moredortor is right, its testing the Limit of vanguard, you get more Info Out of 4 Players cheating in the same Game than only 1. Theres also 5v5 scripters in real ranked, Like in valorant, they use specific Tools to get together in a Queue, Same Tool they use to guarantee sniping a targeted player, there are Forums, where you can bet on losing and winning not important ranked Matches, the Game got invaded a Long Time ago, theres some theories that League of Legends is scripted gameplay, Well with that "Mafia-Like" Community its true but Not by Riot, theres rumors about Riot gettin bribed, so they have a "Agreement" (something about releasing heated informations)

[@nanoswipe147]

to me the funniest thing about this game, is yone was the only one without scripts on his team, and yet he was the only one not to die, that just shows how dogshit the scripters game sense is

[@WhoTookNearquaad]

the warwick was so interesting to watch! i was making a small case for him in my head at the blue, fighting aurora and teemo. i could see him turning back to smite blue then continuing to chase teemo and those movements caused the aurora to miss - but then that fight against tahm in mid with xerath was DAMNING

[@steelixian1705]

That was the icing on the cake

[@MrHGravity]

I'm sure the scripting starts with this notion that, "well everyone does it." then proceeds to go 50 games being the only scripters in a lobby.

[@alyssamay9237]

I suck at competitive games, to the point it's almost laughable, but I'd rather be in Elo hell than use cheats like these guys

[@AngelicEternity92]

Honestly, watching the slow downs, it becomes pretty obvious from how robotic it is but also how jittery the movement is because the script is actively fighting with the player who hasn't reacted to it

[@discountdisco2273]

"No no no Kaif. It's not scripting. They're just good. Skill issue." - a scripter

[@whitewatercsgo]

You want a tip to see if a guy is scripting as well? 3:02 and 3:27, look at lucian's movement. The amount of commands you have to give to turn in the circular motion like that, while he is dodging, is so much that it is basically a give away he is using an orbwalker (letting him press a hotkey to move and attack with 8-12 APS). Every scripter is basically using an orbwalker, and when you specifically look for that coincident circular movement while, farming/attacking/dodging, it's a dead giveaway. So it's not just if he is dodging you can slow down to bust people with. They can set a delay on it to make it more 'human'.

[@Ahriannax69]

Can also tell with Warick right away at 9:58 lol. The moment he gets blinded, he cancels all attack inputs and just stays locked on Teemo. Sure normal peeps might not attack while blinded, but it was instant with perfect melee lock.

[@poro9084]

i wondered about that, i think i saw only bots in AI game move like that

[@rompevuevitos222]

For reference, the average human reaction time is like 300-500ms Altho it is often higher. Specially if the person was not expecting it. If you're expecting something and have muscle memory for it. Then you may get down to the 150-200ms range. But anything lower is just prediction. Which is what fighting games are about. In fact, randomly changing up your combos or even predicting a combo and deciding to not capitalize on it (so you may wait for a better time to do so), are key for competitive fighting games. This isn't even a "skill issue". It is a literal biological limitation.

[@deutscher1a]

yeah I was a top 50 player in a fighting game and stopped playing long time ago(patched to death) Id challenge the heroes in top 100 mirror matches, where i was ranked at nr 10 - 20 and it was about who does what first for a few ms because of muscle memory and hero knowledge With random heroes in private games its all diff, since you play by general game knowledge and your top ranks didnt matter Its about baiting and reading oppo - my top heroes had several diff styles i switched randomly or when i saw oppos getting ready for it My friends got used to it and were better at beating me - but just for mains I checked my reaction time a few days ago and its 200ms when im expecting it(like with the online test i did)

[@DWIP798]

just a bit of a nitpick but the comment saying that in fighting games we consider a 16f move reactable is a bit misleading. 16 frames is reactable in a vacuum, if you're expecting it and waiting for it. But matches don't happen in a vacuum. in a match moves that are 21 to 24 frames are considered reactable but you won't react everytime and moves that are 25f and above can be reacted to consistently with training.

[@ahairylobster8524]

MY MAN WATCHES BRAIN F YEEEUUUHHHHH

[@insanisane]

yes you react fast when you expect it, but you don't dodge the right way every time, sometimes you dodge right into skillshots.

[@EchoTheGayOne]

They said it is borderline unreactable, not that it is something people can do in games

[@CanadianFox1125]

Guys, if you want to catch script, watch how they avoid little damage. That Cait was 1/9 and it forced them to avoid the damage. That’s 100 damage at the cost of being discovered

[@steelixian1705]

Yep, Sometimes you dont need to dodge and its more beneficial to take damage to gap close, they cannot work out when and always dodge.

[@stoopdelano4085]

Imagine defending harmfull cheaters couldnt be me

[@majormajorasic]

Nah Kaif, that's not scripting, that's just a good quality gaming chair.

[@KruxSmash]

Cheaters do this for 1 of 2 reasons. 1. False sense of superiority. Even though they have no skill, they still "win" according to the game. Thus inflating their ego. 2. Ruining others fun. Simply put, some people enjoy ruining the game for others. Anyone who has played World of Warcraft on a pvp server (Kaif you should know this), griefing. It's the most basic form. You are actively taking aware another person's autonomy in a game, an ability to enjoy the game, and that person gets a sense of satisfaction for it. Right or wrong, I'm not the arbiter. I'm just explaining the reasons.

[@dumblenutz5561]

I commend you for being no judge jury and executioner.

[@yorik1006]

The 2nd one is the funniest tbh, that's why I script, it's just the fun to ruin the game and show that Vanguard's only purpose is for American government to spy on you, simple

[@oliverer3]

There is a rare third one I've seen as an excuse before, people wanting to play with friends that are vastly better at the game than them and trying to compensate with scripts.

[@flamingdeathbanana]

Sounds like the Dark Souls community ngl.

[@ruined_yuki]

not wrong tbh idk why everyone throws people that cheats straight into ''oh he's just bad'' and other sht like that when there are plenty that are just bored with the game and not all want to ruin the game for others but most games that happen, though in my case I just test sht for fun done it in many games and tried to stay away from games like league (tested like 2 scripts and reported 1 to riot) cheated in CSGO back in 2020-2022 due to the HvH scene being the main game, tried DBD cheats, Destiny 2 cheats (non PVP) it's a fun hobby if you have a lot of time on your hands, Not saying by any means cheating is good for games especially PVP games I've gotten my fair share of punishments for cheating but some of us are just bored have a lot of time to kill and money to waste not all of us are braindead apes that just wants to ruin other peoples games or get a rank

[@the777john]

I play Shaco and it's incredibly easy to tell when someone is scripting. When I have a player that can still track me down in stealth every single time I Q and juke them in a different direction I know 100% they're scripting. I'm a master at screwing with people in jungle and holding teams for as long as possible watching them chase me around, but when they constantly know where I am in stealth there's absolutely nothing I can do. It's like the scripts lock onto me before the Q and can just chase me down while in stealth. I can never reposition when there's a scripter because they guess my direction after the Q correctly EVERY SINGLE TIME, and that isn't possible.

[@steelixian1705]

As a Evelynn old main, I agree. Watching people walk directly towards you casting spells while your chilling in invisiblity

[@WolfBergMenace]

Imagine cheating and still losing to a normal player Also the Yone being the only honest member of the team is crazy

[@alexisalora3626]

Love this type of content Kaif, thank you! 🙏🏼

[@thespearton4551]

Very recently had a cheater who was playing as Hawkeye where he would headshot everybody 95% of the time regardless of distance. I looked at the replay and it appeared to be sending the arrows to the head even if he seemed to be aiming elsewhere, and the most blatantly obvious one happened when our allied Venom hid behind a wall with no vision to the other side whatsoever and this Hawkeye freaking jumped to where the Venom was hiding, aimed at it for like a second before realizing the Venom wasn't going to move immediately and then just kept shooting at us. Anyway, he got banned until 2124 :p serves him right.

[@meodrac]

walking into a very nearby wall is very sus as clicking away to doge often the click happens away from your champion, not nearby, and often times, you wouldn't be dodging directly towards the wall as its harder to click, more likely you'd be be moving diagonally towards the wall. Misclicking beyond the wall is very dangerous that's why most people avoid clicking near walls

[@katanikoneko9036]

I have dodged a lot of skillshots in my time...I have NEVER dodged into a wall. You just get yourself stuck doing that, unless you're scripting

[@KnottyTulip2713]

I love watching vids like this, makes me feel powerful that i wouldn't ever need or want to use a script, if i die its my own fault, not some third party programme

[@merlin5411]

I remember playing Teemo one game going up against a Warwick who I found out was scripting. The scripted when he found out I was targeting him EVERY teamfight literally cursed up a storm.

[@screengecko1995]

Scripters are already bad, but it feels so much worse, seeing them do that in blind pick against new players and then hearing, that some of those haven't played since is kinda nauseating.

[@blackwasp1930]

I still stand by that the best way to see a scripter who is dodging everything is their character jitters and stutters all over the place because of all the conflicting inputs between the player and the cheat program

[@steelixian1705]

You have to be crazy fast at clicking to jitter like that, and you can do it, but not accurately and precisly mid combat

[@juliadesouza6674]

It's funny cuz having all of them makes it easier to tell, cuz all of them move the same.

[@BaitThyself]

New challenge: Get the game where someone is scripting, but the plot twist is that everyone is scripting.

[@ajhintleman215]

Ngl, in the Lucian's case, predicting when Tahm is going for a Q is VERY easy, but the fact that he's not jittering back and forth to bait out Tahm trying to read him, and ONLY moving the second the Q comes out, is incredibly sus. I'm also assuming this isn't above gold-plat with how Lucian is playing in general tbh, so that level of reacting and baiting isn't the most likely with how refined it is...(the only reason he doesn't dodge all of them is a simple lack of movespeed with how fast and wide Tahm's Q is) That being said, as a toplaner in high Master, I have a feel for most champion cooldowns, and you sort of get when someone will try to land a skillshot. Like at 3:48 when Tahm steps into a bush then Q's the second Lucian shows himself, I would also do something very similar to what Lucian does: reveal yourself while you know they can see you and they know you can't see them, then dodge after a second or so predicting they'll try to hit you with their advantage...that being said, Lucian perfectly dodging at the exact right time and turning back toward him instantly, among the other things said, makes it very obvious what's going on lol

[@Ninguin]

A lot of the issue isn't that they are dodging, skill shots like tahm q and lux e are very dodgeable skill shots. Its that the character instantly reacts to every skill shot thrown out.

[@cottardTV]

as a master otp teemo who almost never gets hit by tham kench Q partly thanks to teemo move speed, i can asure you that the way that this lucian react is not natural, he doesn't dodge like he was especting a Q, he only dodges when the animation begins and every time at the same frame, this is even more sus that he still continue to dodge at the exact same frame when tham is casting in the bush considering he still acts at the exact frame like all other Q dodges, he only reacts he doesn't guess, he doesn't click in a way to make himself harder to hit by walking randomely he only reacts frame perfect everytime.

[@cottardTV]

also you mention that the only reason he doesn't dodge all of them is because of tham kench Q is big and that he lacks movespeed, but the real reason is that he doesn't move in a way that aiming for that "undodgable" Q would be extremely hard, he only moves in extremely predictable paterns because he doesn't need to worry about his movement since he is scripting.

[@ajhintleman215]

@cottardTV no I understand. I think my comment came across as saying he's not a scripter, when it's obvious he is. All I was trying to say was that those early dodges are viable to happen and individually could be explained, but of course, the collection of them among other things makes it obvious.

[@draycos7189]

Warwick's not cheating, he's just getting ready for Arcane season 3 kappa.

[@dasideaccount]

Im a cait main and I can tell ya her net is one of the most telltale signs someone is scripting. Not saying it's impossible to dodge/predict it, but when it's frame perfect it's a little sus. Had a Kaisa perfectly dodge every single net i threw, sometimes even w/o vision. 😬

[@WhyItDude]

After watching the start of this I was super curious about my reaction speed. Took 5 attempts and averaged about 180ms and I still get hit by all kinds of skill shots lmao

[@MHGFTW]

As an actual iron player, there is no way for me to tell anyone appart. Maybe they're just smurfing, or perhaps they were gold last split, but got reset and deranked a bit. My first response isn't "Yeah that's impossible". It's "Damn this guy is fast as f***". I can't hit for s***".

[@Haz4ler]

Kaif reading up the comments in this godly voice and snickering is just amazing

[@kazzuki7232]

gotta love these videos, it's pretty hard to see anyone making this kind of review about cheaters in any type of game, and Kaiff always is on point with them ❤

[@SpaghettiBelly]

I remember this crew with slightly different names. They'd pubstomp urf mode during offpeak hours.

[@voideddragon9104]

people who say they have a 100 ms reaction speed are the sort of people who take an online test and just guess when the reaction comes up. and then when their educated guess from doing it over and over gets them 110 or something they go yeah that's totally what I can do consistently. I've gotten a 12 on one of those tests and I for sure have some of the slowest reflexes out of anyone I know, all it takes is a couple dozen of tries.

[@MediHusky]

I saw a guy in cs:go that used the scout and averaged 100-120ms reaction time. Major health issues though and couldn't play too much, but unbelievably consistent.

[@rompevuevitos222]

That's just prediction at that point. Anything near or below 100ms is humanly impossible without acting ahead of time. It is so well known in fact, that if a runner in the olympic games starts within 100ms of the starting signal. It is considered to be an early start and they are disqualified, because it'd be biologically impossible that they'd react that fast so the only way is that they just tried to predict the starting signal instead of waiting for it to go off. And that's for actual physical events. If you include the latency of a computer screen and audio. The timing goes even higher.

[@cottardTV]

@@rompevuevitos222 is that actually true? because its incredibly stupid to count that as an early start because risking being counted as an early start isn't worth the risk anyway. also its not uncommon for people's that expects something to have a 170/200ms reaction time.

[@rompevuevitos222]

@@cottardTV It is because, again, it is physically impossible for a human. So the ONLY way for someone to get a sub 100ms start is to go before you hear the signal by predicting when it will go off (which you are not supposed to do). And yes, if you have excellent muscle memory you can go as low as 120-150ms. But that's the actual human peak.

[@insanisane]

So wonderful to se, because non belive me when i say people are scripting in my games. "-who would script in bronze" they usually say. The champ I play that easiest to find a scripter is Lux, when i can't hit her E, you can't see where the spell is cast until its to late, but some games people dodge it if i cast it high,low, infront, behind, dead on, they always "guess right"

[@micahcook2408]

Ironically some of these scriptures don’t go past gold lol

[@torri776]

This is actually why broken champions like Tahm Kench HARD, and I mean HARD counter scripters, because his win condition counters the "miss everything, land all of their stuff without missing" and because his passive and Q's unfair hitbox have literally no counterplay.

[@extrem1354]

I find it funny that since season 4 on Eune, up until last year i played league alot only with a 2 year break, but i never encountered scripters or obvious ones, but i can safely say that this content gives me more reasons to not play the game again since the anti-cheat takes some time to properly read auto inputs by the script and not the mouse for movement, or multiple instances of 3 actions done in less then 1s not being read, I appreciate what you do here kaif, but god this got out of hand really quick, on the bright note this is bottom elo area so its not surprising they appear

[@cranberrysauce61]

i could be misremembering the data, but i do think the master tier was actually the biggest script users. with the iron/bronze being second. since either the script user is new and starting in low elo, or are decent and wanting to do even better and the scripts pushing them up to masters. and in the same post riot put out, they mentioned vanguard 'can' ban quicker, but to avoid false positives and be 100% certain they need the extra games before they take automatic actions.

[@extrem1354]

​@@cranberrysauce61 That is a valid point tbh, but atleast after like 2 games where the enemy team reported the players they should look into it, not after 10 games, and I find it more funny that they will target people being toxic outside their games, and they will outright ban players bad mouthing others on stream without them typing in the game

[@cranberrysauce61]

@@extrem1354 i think its just a case of manpower. it is easy to read a chat log to see if they said something bad or watching a (most likely out of context) clip, but to figure out if someone is scripting, they would have to spend basically the full match length to get a gist if they where or not. and if the one game isn't enough they would have to watch another full game.

[@Foxoverload]

@@cranberrysauce61 Yeah, not only that, but Vanguard don't ban instantly so the cheat developers can't know what exactly caused the ban. You can be detected on day 1 using scripts but you will be banned in 2 days to a week.

[@njalsand133]

so ideally one should force the scripter into a wall

[@bakamedia8285]

Scripting is already degen af. But wo the fuck scripts in blind pick? People script, because they are too shit to climb, why waste your time in normal games with that?

[@absolutelynot615]

Some people are dumb, you have to have info go from your eyes, to your brain, then be interpreted, brain sends signals to hand, THEN you react. If you "react" before all that, it isn't a reaction, it is a prediction.

[@firetarrasque4667]

Most people don’t understand how reaction speeds work.

[@moshuma3739]

Another cheat video is always a treat. And I just ran into my first DBD cheater a couple of days ago. It was stupid.

[@derpionderpson1424]

I was just watching an old LoL cheater video and you upload a new one… nice

[@PurpleB3D]

I dont know anything about League and just here to watch a new Kaif Video, still interesting and fun even though i dont play it. Keep up the great content.

[@dylanm1683]

ok so i should mention this with marvel rivals (include or don't. i don't care) but if you report someone thats already been reported and has been punish the game will tell you that and they are going to look at it throughly. It ain't Valorents anti cheat system but that alone is good enough for me.

[@imadgenius]

Gotta watch these before the lawyers get involved /s (I hope. Though that was an entertaining video)

[@Rene_von_1337]

the blatant scripting made me spitt out my water, AND THEY STILL DODGED IT

[@Zaneous_]

Love the Plankton meme bleeding in here after losing our collective shit over it in Glen's video.

[@Plasmalash]

4 OF THEM?? Bruh you really do have the worst luck ever Kaif.

[@WildcardGrey]

Not his game, it was from a viewer

[@Plasmalash]

@@WildcardGrey I really should have waited like 30 seconds or so before commenting, lol.

[@winnmi2708]

Yes i was really unlucky

[@cauvangquaygame8524]

@winnmi2708 I am so sorry buddy, hope you win a lottery later to balance it out

[@DemoniumSama]

16:50 I don't understand why would ppl script in normal games?

[@nellie__]

the thumbnail is so fucking good lmfao havent even watched this yet

[@imperialspacemarine1539]

"WEEEEEELLL ACTSCHUALLY I AM AN VETERAN AT THE GAME! THAT ALLOWS ME TO BEND THE RULES OF BIOLOGY AND SPIT ON GOD! THEY ARE NOT CHEATING" -kyle, ca 2024; mere seconds from his basement chair collapsing from his 600 pounds of gamer ass.

[@Conicee]

You would think using scripts like this would take all the joy out of the game quickly. If you win every single game its no longer a challenge and the rush you get from winning just decreases over time. Even if its you and all your friends having "fun" with scripts, it has to get boring after a while.

[@yorik1006]

What's the point of the challenge, the real reward is getting your enemies mad because you're using scripts and showing them that Vanguard is nothing else but an American spyware

[@Ordoscc]

The only way to stop scripters is to do full server-side validation of all inputs. Client-side validation is how these scripters get away with cheating. Anything on the client's machine can be compromised by the client.

[@Foxoverload]

That's pretty much what Vanguard do.

[@Ownage4lif31]

You mean server sided anti cheat? It already does server side input validation, scripts just adhere to the engines limits. It's very easy to implement server sided detection against dodge scripts. Very easy to know when you dodge consistently after the animation wind-up starts. Riot is just lazy and vanguard was never meant to combat cheaters, but to give an excuse to install a backdoor into thousands, if not millions, of computers.

[@ObeyIzuna]

Watched more than three videos, had to drop a sub

[@blackwillow7342]

i have a 120 ms reaction speed but im not gonna sit here and say thats normal ive been playing games forever reaction time is something i have SPECIFICALLY trained its not something everyone can do you are either born lucky or train for a long time to get even that fast 90ms reaction is basically pysically impossible

[@abyssalpen9663]

Hey Kaiffy, question; what would you think if Riot decided to implement Vanguard in the anti-cheating methods? Do you think IP bans and device bans could potentially stop this problem for good?

[@ruined_yuki]

vangauard is the anti-cheat and you do get HWID bans

[@Darkoriax17]

To further put the whole “frames into ms” thing into perspective (nother fighting game player here, hi.) In Dragonball FighterZ, UI Goku has a standing light punch that has so few startup (before the move actually connects) frames, that it can counter off of trade (both characters being hit at the same time). This is effectively what these scripters are doing. Inhuman levels of reaction. And League is not a game you play with reactions. You need to play proactively. And predict moves.

[@opposingcritter]

Yeah just ban those clowns who think these people are not scripting and move on, no point worrying about the idiot's word vomit.

[@dumblenutz5561]

Not a fan of censorship, even if the person getting censored is wrong. A can of worms, that.

[@S_on_fire]

it´s not only the dodging at the exact momment that the skillshot input starts, it's the complete lack of dodging before that, plainly obvious.

[@makiskanyt9269]

It's insane i have only encountered 3 scripters and one of them was only for vision instantly pinging the moment a ward went down and that was when ward ping became a thing, there was 1 in one of my ranked games a vayne with a yuumi that the vayne was boosting yuumi out of emerald dodging skillshots with her q and terrorising bot untill the towers broke and we had to try and save them (it was already too late even if the rest of the team was fed because 3 item + boots vayne is insane) and last one was a xerath in aram dodging even the snowballs and hitting almost everything while dodging as well, in any case that's my experience with 7 years league

[@danielgreenwood8000]

One nice thing I am realizing recently playing, I have been seeing a LOT of more reports going in as I play

[@azkaghafara5712]

for the fighting gam 10 ms reaction i have counter argument, sure 10 ms is fighting game is possible even if its really hard but that becaus ein fighting game your reaction into game input is faster, u literally only push 1 button to react, its basically goes cue start -> push button -> character moves or stop moves or whatever but in point and click game like moba u have 2-3 input to react to something, so it sould be, no, MUST BE longer, if the character is only move to react its usually goes cue start -> move mouse to the desired dirrection -> push button -> character moves, so it gonna takes longer just because u need to move the mouse first before u can make a move and no, pressing S to stop ur character cant go into equation here because while it will result in faster reaction, all of the reaction used by a script is always a move command that is why it like the character wiggling, not stopping on its track and continue moving, and lets be real, how often you seen someone dodge a skill shot by stopping all movement

[@ForemostPanic62]

Dodging a skill shot by stopping movement is just pure swag though, i play a lot of aram so obviously a lot more skill shots to dodge and one of my favorite things to do is to just press s to dodge or press s immediately after dodging and just stand there for a few seconds.Then there are the times i get wukong and ill E to a minion or champion then press S and its funny how people will just ignore you after that until they are conditioned to always attack you or the clone.

[@DenkiRay]

21:05 I really want to believe this, but there have been way too many times Riot lied, so I can't trust this info. In any case, it sucks it takes 20 games for the system to realize someone is scripting. But the worst part is knowing Riot will never do anything about this problem, beside leaving Vanguard do its thing, simply because they just don't care about low ELO.

[@g-3609]

for starters, that definitely wasn't ranked, there were 2 WWs. What else is riot supposed to do but let vangaurd do its thing?? go through millions of matches manually?? Also its unfair to say riot won't do anything when they made vangaurd for this exact purpose. Vangaurd is riot doing something.. its not like they bought a subscription to easy anti cheat and said ggs

[@Foxoverload]

They can't insta-ban scripters or the cheat devs would have an easier time knowing what actions triggers Vanguard. If you are detected with scripts by Vanguard, it will take a few games or some time (days to max a week) to your account get banned.

[@megasora4]

​@@g-3609 none of these games are in ranked, as according to kaif they only played 10 games each with only xerath getting to 12. you need to play at minimum 10 full games of normal SR to get into ranked and get to level 30 wich is about 250 games of bots, give or take a boost. you need 20 champs aswell, but i assume if their scripts make it to the other goals, they would be willing to drop the cash to buy all cheap ones to hit that goal.

[@mropinionaire]

Always 90 degree turns are a dead giveaway too

[@MrNyoom]

I mean the guy IS called Bot Top

[@ryan2521]

Erm actually I have a 12ms reaction speed so not cheating I’m also a veteran at this game too

[@tortillachips3911]

loved thr shoutout to the Aurora being a good friend to their jungler 😂

[@fredthebeard66]

We live in a world where their Yone was the only one not cheating. A YONE!

[@Epicfailman666]

The comments at the start, its sad people think they can play at such a fast speed, they are probably cheaters themselves or trying to defend themselves cheating All these cheaters in the video are so mega blatant, for me it sickens me that cheaters go so long not being found or banned, also I'm not surprised there's cheaters in rivals already, they cant help but be losers and act like their godly at games

[@Tomatos_family]

ive been playing LoL for 23 years now and i have a reaction time of 0.3132ms and theses guys aint cheating they are just gud trust me bruh

[@1aaxxoonn7]

It still baffles me how riot just doesnt care to ban cheaters, be it scripters, even tho they forced us to get a whole ass vanguard for it, or just general boosting and wintrading. I sent their support team detailed ticket of 2 players who play duo to boost each other, and any instance when they play solo and they are on opposing teams, one will just hardcore run it down, they wont even try to hide it. Yet they didnt get banned and still continue to play and cheat. And if you ask how, well when they play duo, one of them does decent but nothing too great, that same player, when he plays solo he is terrible, goes 0 9, or 1 7 etc. But if his friend is on enemy team, all of a sudden that same player becomes a god and has over 15 kills. But riot doesnt care, god forbid you say anything to those players youll get punished for toxicity bcs you ruin the game for others, even tho mute button exists. So general rule of thumb is, cheating is allowed, you wont get punished, just dont ever say anything to anyone or youll be considered toxic.

[@EnterpriseTheBigE]

Kaif...Did you change the Thumbnail? 😊

[@rizkyhidayat147]

We are in timeline where Kaif review worst game from Steam, mobile game spending and exposing cheater

[@justagirl55055]

The echoing giggle made me giggle.

[@nukeacitrus]

Omg, these people weren't scripting! They all just bought the new TITAN Evo gaming chairs! That professional-level comfort is just that good! 🤣

[@malachitewilder8615]

For an experienced player, stopping to w like the jinx did in front of Caitlyn Q is pretty normal. Memorizing ranges and playing around them is par for the course. Any time in emerald+ games would teach you that

[@malachitewilder8615]

It’s obvious the whole red side minus yone are scripting, but that moment wasn’t of note

[@michael3423]

had a flora riposte my wither on nasus every single time, even in hectic team fights, didn't even know it was possible

[@itsahuntressmain9849]

Y'know what would be incredible, if we could see the movement inputs/click locations along with each spectate. (Maybe tied to a toggle in the reply menu)

[@An_Oni_Moose_]

Not forgetting the cheating that riot will never remove: Macros. Example: Riven; Allowing people to run a macro that instead of just casting her Q, it casts the full Q+cancel combo, is insane.

[@salehuddinbaharuddin3067]

Kaif i know ive said this before but the jerk man.... The jerk... Move one way but the script dodging the other

[@Kaiff2]

I knowww, its just hard to know if thats their inputs or spectater jank haha

[@shookshark9870]

i wish i have this reaction irl, i can save so many glasses and objects that fall from tables.

[@7bitstep]

"Vanguard is working as intended"

[@supershid464]

vanguard working hard

[@omnitopex6708]

The thing you said in the end about the char doing something that you dont want to fo is the same for me with aim assist on console i disable it allways cause the fact that it aims for me is irretating and makes me not wanting to play the game anymore because it takes every and any skill out of the games and most people say that it impossible to play against m&k players without it and to that i only can say get good i played R6 on console for a very long time where there is no aim assist at all and i was dia in ranked where from gold on there are mostly only m&k converter players but that was a long time ago but the fact that people still say thats aim assist is needed are just sad people who dont want to get good they are on the same lvl as cheaters they think they deserver more than they are capable off (sorry for gramma errors or anything english is not my first language)

[@leonardoochoa3922]

18:50 Yup :P, there is no F way I'm taking the time on full hp to dodge that. I'll just bite u. Forget even using W like, why? she is already dead and it locks me in place making me waste time. What am I going to use the atk/mov spd on? 2 aa? and what do I even need the atk/mov spd of the W for, she is already on low hp. Not only are you at max hp so no need to dodge, but you are also most likely than not killing her before she even finishes the R animation if you don't waste time on the W lol. As for the scripts, the 1st Lucian dodge and the one that he dodged when Tahm was inside the bush, are basically the only ones in the ENTIRE GAME that I'd say "might not be cheating, I can do that"...and the bush one even falls apart when you watch the replay and see he dodged that one at the same time he dodged all the rest without vision :P And yeah, it's kinda sad to see ppl that just bounce off the game cuz of cheaters and Smurfs, I hate them both. Altough, you can argue that they dodged a bullet not playing LoL anymore :P

[@destroyerprime2011]

What is the intro background music?

[@Zereck17]

Biggest sign for me is . Not a single person on the enemy team whos suspected has a skin. Ten bucks they're all throw away accounts.

[@Zereck17]

Only the one not scripting has a skin lol

[@TridantPhantasm]

The first game two dodges from Warwick honestly both seemed completely real, even the TK top, I could probably do fairly consistently from just knowing the Tongue is coming and predicting it but holding incase they go for another play, but everything past that was insane. Don't even play League anymore and seeing these just amaze me how much people really make it obvious they're cheating.

[@naosou921]

Sure, but then you do it at the exact same frame, every single time, consecutively? Including one time without any vision? It is ridiculous, mate. Only a literal machine can do that so consistently. It is not the fact that he dodged or tried to dodge, it is the fact that it happened PRECISELY in the same moment of the animation every single time, including without vision.

[@TridantPhantasm]

@naosou921 I don't even think that's true of the first dodge in top lane. That one looks later than the others to me, but I also already said everything past that was clearly scripting, especially for as you said consistent first frame dodges.

[@grottoguru6473]

I am in agreement with everything I saw in the video and want to add my quick two cents: labelling everything about dodging as reactionary is a bit misleading. Most of the early game (especially for better players) a lot of dodges are possible because the spells are expected or predicted. Calling it a 6th sense is misleading but pretty close to what I mean. EX. If you're a midlaner main and playing vs Lux, you can just feel when she's going for her CC and often can expect and predict it, thus the dodge is much easier at quicker "reaction" times.

[@Kaiff2]

We talk about reactionary because thats exactly what the scripts are doing

[@somecryptic]

i could never imagine someone with a reaction time of 110(like that comment at the beginning said) thats insane just to think of. If i had to guess the only sub 200 reaction ive ever had at least in league was one instance where i was in a prey animal level fear flash.

[@SluffyEdgeworth]

Is it just me or does Kaif sound a bit tired whenever he does a voiceover? (Or he's kinda sick i dunno)

[@Kaiff2]

Im in iceland atm so its a different mic in a very echoey room haha

[@Saikopasu-Shogo]

REALLY interesting format and video, sadly I just discovered it now.. A bunch of weeks ago I had A TON of cheaters clips, but now, I barely play LoL anymore xdd. Btw yeah, I wonder how many players that commented that their reaction speed is lower than 120ms are hardstuck. Mine personally ranges from 200 to 220, my setup is pretty cheap tho xd