Kailash owner starts HUGE New Ecovillage in Portland!

[@Logan.Bernart]

I wouldn't describe Millennial and Gen Z decreases in home ownership as "lack of interest." While some of this decrease can be attributed to changing preferences most of the decrease is due to economic circumstances. Younger generations cannot afford what older generations were able to. I think many would jump at the chance to own a home / condo if given the opportunity.

[@jazzyg530]

Yes, especially considering the gardening opportunities afforded by ownership of a large enough parcel of land. If housing prices dropped by 50% younger people would absolutely be looking for a home to buy rather than pay someone else's mortgage.

[@LittleSpaceCase]

Everyone I know dreams of owning but where I live: even a small fixerupper will start at $500,000. Most people are lucky to be able to save at all, since most people I know don't have any expendable income or cushion for emergencies. Home ownership is a pipe-dream for young people due to the hoarding of residential properties by investment firms.

[@kaythegardener]

But the terrible reputation of HOAs will work against the notion of condos!!

[@crumbdinger]

I blame the “lack of interest” myth on whoever started the whole, “milennials ruined x” thing which has now been passed along to Gen Z (sorry, ya’ll). Complete misreadings of actual, tangible issues that were sensationalized in an attempt to stay competitive as media moved further away from print (imo). Let’s just say… media literacy is not a problem limited to any one generation. Either that or it’s just marketing/economics-speak, “interest” as in financial steak? Either way, absolute nonsense to those of us who can’t hope to own.

[@Logan.Bernart]

@edenicity Quibble aside, thank you for the video and update on Kailash.

[@FreeRadicalX]

I used to live about 5 blocks from Kailash and would often bike through the Annapurna property, thinking that it would be a perfect expansion for them and why haven't they done it... Well, now they have!

[@GhostOnTheHalfShell]

Of interest:”Scandinavian ecovillage rethinks homeownership: no mortgages, no waste” it’s 22 years old

[@edenicity]

Thanks, I'll check it out!

[@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885]

the irony of ecovillages being in cities is that we have pre-made ecovillages in Forest Agricultural zoned land but the county code controllers don't understand urine-diverting dry composting. Why? Septic installation is a huge rural business so there's a corporate-state kickback system going on.

[@Earthdaughter48]

@@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885 Absolutely. It's so frustrating that we, especially in permaculture and resiliency networks, have all the tested appropriate technology to do so many things safely and economically that are still "against Code!" Septic systems, grey water bans, tiny homes on wheels (not plumbed in for water/sewer,) humanure, rocket mass heaters, etc. And in rural areas, density zoning (R-5, 10, etc) doesn't allow for clustering dwellings and pooling all the rest for food forests, etc. As with so many other things, we have solutions but aren't allowed to implement them. My doomer humor favorite is that at least after collapse, there won't be any code enforcers and planning departments to stop us from caring for each other.

[@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885]

@@Earthdaughter48 thanks for your sharing. I noticed someone commenting on another vid how they just put in a DIY septic in Alaska in a town where I lived/worked for four months offgrid, back 35 years ago. hahah. Yes I have had some interesting calls with county planners and state regulators. I keep researching, fascinated by our civilization not understanding ecology. I too am waiting for collapse so I can move in. hahahah.

[@melissasueferrin3409]

Thank you! It's great to hear about this. I'm not much of a city person myself, but recognize cities are essential for our human population and love the quote you gave about density and diversity in vertical space.

[@csn583]

The population IS the problem.

[@DoloresJNurss]

You hope to give us a sense of optimism? YOU BET!!! This has put new life into my heart! All of my life (I'm 69) I've wanted to live like this, and had a brief urban commune for 3 years in the 1980's (till the landlord sold it out from under us to someone who turned it into condos) but I've never been able to afford investing in property, and now I'm physically disabled and can't see much way to sell my value as a coworker to most communities. But in a place like this I could find subtle ways to contribute, including by rent. (I'm also container-gardening on tables, so even though I can't do much that requires bending, I could add to the table.)

[@ajmentel2453]

If you have the means to, you can join your local city government (such as joining a board, commission, city council, etc.) and be an advocate and networker for the burgeoning eco-localist movement in the USA. There are a lot of legal barriers preventing the widespread adoption of this kind of radical self-sufficiency, and we need people who are willing to educate themselves and change them. I'm doing that here, and it's slow going, but the ball is indeed rolling. I also have a chronic disability but I'm still mostly able-bodied, so I can relate in some ways. That's why I'm spending as much time organizing as I am gardening.

[@christinebaker3293]

@@ajmentel2453 Amazing, another person kicking ass :) I've tried to find others to get Mohave County AZ to allow adobe tiny homes and other extremely affordable and super energy efficient natural healthy materials. In other AZ counties, one can at least opt out of building codes. So, people live in LEGAL fire traps (mobiles and campers), one death after the other, not to mention the negative impact on health with all these toxic building materials and enormous heating and cooling utility bills. Everybody needs a truck for water hauling, a truck to get around on the crappy unmaintained roads and a more fuel efficient car to get to the nearest supermarket 60 miles away. So frustrating.

[@dayvancowboi9135]

Encouraging to hear this has some momentum

[@ttopero]

It’s exciting to hear about expansion by multiple means: “replication”, acquisition expansion, merging. It’s important to think in abundance of options for creating community, just as we think about what can come from them.

[@luddity]

Will this be a concentration of ownership and control or a co-op model?

[@ttopero]

@ my guess is similar to the original, which has a video about it that goes into it

[@miyakiwilson8305]

OMG. I love it! Can we get a business plan copied and replicate this in every city? I'm in Seattle.

[@edenicity]

Providing clear business plans is a high priority for Edenicity. In many cases you can lay the groundwork with Greener Village Blueprint www.edenicity.com/gvb.html and I'll make sure to email updates to those who download it.

[@rayellenkishbach8998]

This is a great overview. Thanks for doing the work to report on this. Very inspirational!

[@Ms.Merotica]

Wowee! Eco Superheroes with superpowers! Amazing and beautiful. Thanks for sharing.

[@arcadeashdown3579]

No superpowers, just a willingness to put a plan together and do the work.

[@AvocadoStalker]

11:04 I disagree with the rental vs ownership perspective of GenZ and Millenials. Where I live, we feel forced to rent and admire anyone of our age who owns a house. For ecovillages I think it is a good design consideration to choose based on the decision-making speed and the affordability. But I think it is important to consider that rent can feel like a drain on your capital, while ownership can be an investment. As an investment, it can be easier to motivate habitants to improve their houses. But full disclosure, I have 0 experience with managing housing

[@Andre-qo5ek]

" it can be easier to motivate habitants to improve their houses. " ... not so sure about this. ------------- "A Person is Smart, People Are Dumb" -MIB ------------- the whole point of an eco-village is to work as a village, not as an individual. what you suggest is jsut the current model, how many people are currently motivated to improve their houses for eco reasons ? .... i see people consumed with making houses for the jones's.

[@Andre-qo5ek]

i am more than fine renting in an eco-village is i fully trusted the shared pool of funds is going to build the next eco-village. and if they were formally structured as a socialist organization, that would be even better. "ownership" starts to become meaningless when there is abundance, and very meaningless if we get to post-scarcity.

[@ajmentel2453]

As a Gen Z myself, I agree. We want ownership, and we would like to transfer ownership without skyrocketing housing costs for the next generation. We need non-market solutions for ownership. There's definitely a niche for 'renting' an eco-apartment from the ownership organization, but I'd like to frame these as temporary ownership stakes (2-5 years) that teaches young people how to manage co-housing and the skills needed to run an eco-commune before they decide to move on and cross-pollinate these lessons wherever they move.

[@Andre-qo5ek]

@@ajmentel2453 exactly. 1) these rentals could be the mentorship / apprenticeship that the lead guy says they can't do. a way for people to absorb the paradigm of community. 2) "non-market solutions for ownership" (gets close to a socialist model 👍 )

[@melissasueferrin3409]

Mixed housing would be ideal, rentals + condos were owners build equity plus have a bit more autonomy. Ideally that would probably be a purpose built community rather than a renovation as you'd want everything from studios to 3-4 bedroom units. It's important to have mixed income communities, and families mixed in with young people and empty nesters.

[@FlyingDwarfman]

I only just discovered your channel and this is the second video I think I've watched. All I have to say is that I absolutely love to hear about projects like this. If you haven't already committed to it as a project, I would especially love to learn how to get involved in some kind of project like these eco villages. [Edit start:] Originally commented before seeing the end section of the video or the description and with that, I'm happy to find what looks like a good starting point. Thank you again for your work and effort. So many people either already want to or would want to get involved with cohousing and urban permaculture eco villages if they knew the concept was this viable. [Eden end] Thank you so much for the work and effort you put into this.

[@OzinRoseCity]

How diverse are these communities? Is this just eco fixated gentrification?

[@TrishTruitt]

Fascinating! Thanks for such a comprehensive video.

[@Andre-qo5ek]

12:07 what sucks is... we are lacking mentors. teaching through videos articles books , is great... but mentors pass down more than just knowledge of a skill. in a case like this they ought to pass down community like a torch bearer. i understand not having time... but... what i fear is the same thing that happened to unions. people in unions today are not engaged union members, from what i see. and not having mentors is kind of the same. what i see instead is capitalists learning and applying JUST ENOUGH of this to flip a profit, but not enough to make community.

[@ttopero]

I think that diversity of people with experience to share in multiple ways & phases will come as we get more projects on the way. Some of us are better on the front end with programming, visioning, business models, while others are better at plan execution & implementation, while others are better at the management & support of the ongoing operations. Acknowledging & respecting that as it looks different from project to project & person to person will be an important part of maintaining the authenticity & integrity of intentional communities.

[@ajmentel2453]

@@ttopero 100% agree, I think that the average person is so alienated and consumed by the apathetic status quo that we'll have to incubate actually existing alternatives at decent scale before we reach the inflection point for society. I think of it as building a trellis for society.

[@kiras3180]

Mentorship would still be nice. Are you advocating for a sort of mutual/cooperative community growth? ​@@ttopero

[@christinebaker3293]

@Andre-qo5ek "what sucks is... we are lacking mentors." There is so much info at www.edenicity.com/ -- sadly I found that most people just can't read and remember anymore. But there are also the countless videos. Then there's WWOOFing for getting your hands dirty. What exactly are you looking for?

[@earnthis1]

Thanks for this video!!! Educating is so important. Passing these ideas on and amplifying these amazing projects!

[@2Kaleth]

I love your Natural/Organic Pool idea. Nature is important in greening too. I’ve dreamt of building tall chimney-like sculptures for the swifts to use when they migrate through. Bats could use them too. That would add to pollinators, and, maybe bat and bird guano mining.

[@RuinedTemple]

Bug condos! 😃

[@oersson]

Hi Kev, Thanks for a great video talking about how to expand the ecovillage population. I think we can all agree that is the common goal. As to how popular the idea is, Kailash's vacancy notification list has now reached 700+ with 2-3 new requests a week, and seeming to be picking up pace. As for mentoring, I think perhaps the best approach is to mentor future ecovillage initiators with a live in residency. We have already seen how many former residents have initiated their own projects. You could learn from the team how we manifest the many innovative ideas folks have. All the while searching for your project site somewhere in Portland, Oregon, USA, or even further afield. (Hey, unless you already have a site chosen.) After all, ecovillages are an imperative everywhere. We need to reduce the human footprint so we can rewild the earth through carbon sequestering reforestation. And everyone gets to have fun developing community and sustainable projects, building new Edens. Keep up the good work! - Olė

[@BellaMirelli]

One of my professors lives there and took us all on a tour there. Crazy to see this video pop up.

[@allanparker20]

Nice evolution

[@TheDavidN]

I originally saw this on Kirsten Dirksen's channel, so thank you for the update! I hope to see something like this take on in the Seattle metro area. Ridiculous land values, etc. make it practically impossible, but maybe it will take on another form along transit-oriented hubs?

[@luvyatubers]

Very cool! I like the Earthships idea from New Mexico too. Most people should agree living in an ecovillage is a wise decision, but greedy people will not. Freeing up land for restoration is smart but not knowing it will happen is risky. No one wants to willingly walk into 15 minute cities and watch the land meant for restoration sold to rich builders to cram in more people for profit

[@vivalaleta]

I love Kailash. I've tried to look it up recently over and over here but all YT shows me is ads for rentals in Seattle. 😢

[@nilnilli]

While overall I think this is great - there's a huge issue with waiting for well meaning landlords to use private property and rent collecting systems for anything to happen. All the parts about "drug dealers/squatters/prostitutes" is ignoring that it really means "poor people lived there." We're gonna hit some serious deminishing returns on eco-living through these private property models - the eco part of this is being built within a predatory model. The few comments here arguing against younger generations being less interested in home owning is only a small part of the huge number of us who would love to own our home, but basically gave up on the prospects for more realistic goals.

[@kannonmcafee]

Awesome. You've got a new subscriber.

[@MilanyAece]

I wish Stardew Valley had been set in a city. Like, SimCity+TerraNil+Stardew Valley. Story line: move into an apartment, create a tenants association, then SolarPunk the place, all while interacting with the city, then begin spreading culture (like in Civilization) and watch surrounding areas "convert".

[@joelleslie4657]

Wow !

[@journeybrook9357]

So no housing for disability, low uncome seniors ..

[@christinebaker3293]

@journeybrook9357 What are you looking for? What is your income and disablility? How old are you?

[@TheGASMass]

That’s not what this development is for, obviously.

[@jazzyg530]

I've lived in Portland for 14 years. I would say one bedroom apartments are more than $1,400. It's closer to $1,800 unless you want to live in a terrible and dangerous part of town.

[@edenicity]

Thanks for the update!

[@Alex-b9u3q]

It took a little searching but I've been in a 2-bedroom apartment for the last year paying $1465 near Powell and Cesar Chavez. It's a pretty good little complex, not all the bells and whistles of the fancier places, but it's well maintained and feels pretty safe. I wish there were more more plentiful options but it's still doable to find something!

[@FreeRadicalX]

I lived in a 1-bedroom apartment 5 blocks from Kailash (Near Powell & Chavez) up until a few years ago, it was $1150 when I moved out. Maybe the average is skewed due to very expensive apartments in the nicest neighborhoods, but it's definitely not hard to find a 1BR for $1400 in a pleasant neighborhood today.

[@melreslor2114]

As a starting amount, $1,400 is about right, the avg is higher in that area but Kailash units are smaller than most. On the other hand, there are some on that 200 waiting list willing to pay more than 1400/month When rents are below the going rate, you can easily get good tenants who will take care of the place as they know there are others willing to replace them.

[@nilnilli]

I live in the same area for $1655 for a 2BR

[@PhilQuallins]

Just a small quibble, the adjoining 1926 house and ~1 acre property with the community gardens was purchased around 2010 I believe. Former resident here. That adjoining property was originally going to be townhomes but 2008 collapse prevented that.

[@edenicity]

Thanks for the additional info.

[@JaneStanton]

Exciting news 😄

[@chezztone]

Has to be done with public funds. Not for profit. It could be FREE to live in such a development. Let's not let a private developer siphon off much of the money.

[@RuinedTemple]

One step at a time. The concept of the community has to be introduced, shown to be effective, enjoyable, & that it won't stagnate so that it can become known, popularized, & accepted as a good option before it can become the general preference, & eventually move onto tackling how it functions within the larger system of capitalism. These popup communities can't fight capitalism alone, other things will need to happen to make free residency feasible & likely.

[@chezztone]

​@@RuinedTempleSo how did the developer make $8 million so quickly on this? Whose money is that? 🤔@RuinedTemple

[@RuinedTemple]

@chezztone Good question. I'd like to know that myself, including how-tos. Lol.

[@nilnilli]

Hard agree. Or at least mutually owned by the community, not a very well meaning landlord.

[@chezztone]

@@RuinedTemple It's the residents' money. So if it had been cooperatively owned, they would own any surplus. If it had been publicly owned, the rents would have been much lower.

[@cacogenicist]

Listserv, eh? They could always create a subreddit, or a Discord server. I think "Solar Punkizing" is cooler than "edenizing." 😊 "Edenizing" could come off as a bit hippy cult-ish terminology to some people.

[@ribbonwing]

Listserv has the advantage of using infrastructure they control, whereas with reddit and discord, you're subject to the whims of a corporation. Though reddit and discord are a lot easier to set up, of course...

[@Primo_extracts]

Very encouraging

[@JOlivier2011]

So much of modern life can be improved or amended to be more ecofriendly, sewage, assuming proper waste water treatment is available, seems like a weird area to focus on. Very high effort for low/dubious reward. I can't believe composting one's own sewage is ecologically better/ more efficient or worthwhile since I doubt it would work well at scale. It would be more productive to live/model only those things that can actually be scaled up to yield benefits at varying scales, cost and effort levels without risks to people or the concept/brand of eco-living generally. (Not saying these folks are a risk, or doing it wrong. But if enough people did, some , maybe even most, would invariably mess it up). Human's have done the 'no sewer' thing for most of history. Many slums still do. It's not great. Given proper treatment facilities, sewers are a service worth embracing. Unless this is all just about generating a sense of sanctimony.

[@mendohoney]

legal human waste composting! wow, I would love to learn more about how they got this through the city!?!

[@melreslor2114]

That wasn't an easy one as cities are not open to the idea of handling waste outside of the sewer system. Kailash did their homework and poured a concrete foundation where the bins were placed above. They could point that none of the uncomposted humanure will reach ground.

[@mendohoney]

@@melreslor2114 interesting, I am impressed. I have asked about this option in my rural county for rural property and was told it would not be approved. I wonder if there is a way I can convince them to consider otherwise

[@Freedomferment]

Peaceful valley village is next, look them up! They just need help funding projects

[@stephseckold4324]

"Retro-suburia" in action! Highly recommend David Holgrem's new book (co-writer with Bill Mollison of the original "Permaculture Designer's Manual"). David's observation: 80% of human populations now live in urban areas, so that's where the change needs to happen and most of the infrastructure already exists, only needs better re-designing

[@edenicity]

No, Kailash is thriving because it's urban, not suburban: in a dense part of a big city, low-cost apartments that most suburbs exclude, lots of people with diverse skill sets close at hand to get stuff done, near 3 bus lines, Transit Score 50, Walk Score 83, Bike Score 96.

[@elhoward7440]

Still no dogs allowed? Not even service animals?

[@FreeRadicalX]

Dogs are really disruptive for lots of people who aren't in to dogs.

[@RuinedTemple]

​@@FreeRadicalXAaron! Yes, but dogs are extremely common & popular in Portland. Including service animals. SOOI many ppl there have dogs.

[@deanlongfellow5154]

humans have been living together with animals for a long long time. I can see it would be a problem for the community for individuals bringing in their pets as animals can be a management problem... As this movement grows might have to figure out how to include animals. I opted not to have a dog when i lived in portland in my home because dogs do need some room to run... we waited until we had some land. Including animals is Definitely an unsolved problem. I love the bumper sticker the more i get to know people the more I like my dog. humans are really disruptive for lots of people. I suspect it is the dog owners that can be the management problem...

[@mimi1o8]

It can be good for lots of other people.

[@vivalaleta]

I did not know the co-owner was a doctor. Cool.

[@deanlongfellow5154]

Well this is exciting and hopeful. I lived on a kibbutz two different times. It is a very different model of living that had so many advantages being able to share work and resources. This was a more rural / agriculture setting but always also had a light industrial component. One one i worked building solar panels for pre heating water. This was in the 80's in Israel. While it was communal it existed within a free market greater culture. Sharing resources. The community of 600 had a pool, gym, dining hall, store, library, vehicles, medical... anyhow in this lonely world we need to break down some barriers that allow us to create community.

[@christinebaker3293]

@deanlongfellow5154 "While it was communal it existed within a free market greater culture. Sharing resources. The community of 600 had a pool, gym, dining hall, store, library, vehicles, medical... anyhow in this lonely world we need to break down some barriers that allow us to create community." I think people consider it un-American. We have to compete against each other, not share.

[@natehunter2961]

Surprise a guy flipped properties making money. The problem with rental eco village is that as soon as the owner goes away the setup will surely tank.

[@merrilymreid]

Our future!

[@10-OSwords]

Renting is not the answer. Decomodifying housing is the answer. & co living is crap. Get out of my business & leave me alone. I absolutely do not want to have ANY interaction with my neighbors. This may work for a FEW people. It should not be FORCED on the majority of people.

[@stephaniegould5034]

Are there any communities like these in Searrle?

[@lauraw.7008]

How does renting remove the affordability barrier? Rents are skyrocketing everywhere.

[@christinebaker3293]

@@lauraw.7008 Did you watch the video?

[@asqirl8425]

Has anyone here ever heard of communitarianism? This is the replacement for both capitalism and communism underway here. Karl Marx said communism would destroy capitalism but would not replace it!

[@pauladuncanadams1750]

Sounds great. Why am I getting cult vibes???

[@deanlongfellow5154]

For communities to work I think they need leadership... it is a risk. When living in shared communities- it is hard for a strong personality to not lend a cultish feel. Next thing you know you have a cult.... I wonder what anti cult guard rails could be put in place... ban kool aid for starters.

[@pauladuncanadams1750]

@deanlongfellow5154 I'm not an expert. Better to ask Dr. Steven Hassan or another expert.

[@AGlizzyGobbler]

amazing your not gonna mention they got rid of the black residents. You sound really offensive when you say Pitbulls, it’s some yucky coded racism

[@qwidzi5164]

100%. as soon as I saw "drug dealers and prostitutes move out" I knew this place was bad news. mmhmm, yeah sure the "unsavory residents moved out of their own accord" when a new landlord took over. of course that's what the millionaire guy who owns everything is going to say 🙄

[@qwidzi5164]

oh god, i didn't even get to the "squatters and pittbulls" section. message loud and clear of what people they consider "unsavory"

[@christinebaker3293]

@AGlizzyGobbler "amazing your not gonna mention they got rid of the black residents. You sound really offensive when you say Pitbulls, it’s some yucky coded racism" I didn't know that. All the pitbull owners I see are White. I had a part pit once and he was difficult, couldn't have him around kids. But I also met some of the friendliest dogs ever that were pit bulls. I don't care for any mean / attack dogs. I suppose in the cities the drug dealers are Black. The tweakers and cooks around here are all Whites. Why didn't the Black residents stay? How did they get rid of them?

[@jackie-k]

I wonder if all this expensive living is forcing people into situations like this so they can create their 15min cities and take control of people!

[@christinebaker3293]

@jackie-k "create their 15min cities and take control of people!" Could you please elaborate? And how are people forced "into situations like this"?

[@jackie-k]

@@christinebaker3293mighty be good form you to do some research on the WEF. They have been talking about it a long time. They try to tell you how great and convenient it is, then they trap you and you have to ask permission and get only so many passes to leave. That have tried it in a couple other countries, can’t remember which ones. You could try doing some research. All the ways they force people to live, ways of making situations work etc!

[@jackie-k]

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[@jackie-k]

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[@jackie-k]

Here are couple links, the way this sounds from him, is people making a situation work, which I am all for, but look at how society is being forced to live like this, making them think they are creative!!

[@shars.555]

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[@kccorliss3922]

Truly a poo-topia….

[@Matty002]

people like to talk about how this can be sustainable vs capitalism, but capitalism likes sustainability too: sustaining an always increasing profit. the behaviors required to do this are whats unsustainable

[@christinebaker3293]

@Matty002 what businesses have you been running? "capitalism likes sustainability too: sustaining an always increasing profit" Could you list some examples? I KNOW that it's a lot more profitable to dump toxins in the rivers than to properly dispose, to give your employees cancer instead of providing safe working conditions, to make the workers work until they get sick and die. What country are you in?

[@AnchoringHighFrequency]

But have they cleaned up all the witches and warlocks plaguing that city?

[@Jack-TheGhostOfBidensPast]

who is "they?" I don't know if you've heard, but puritanism thankfully went the way all dangerously xenophobic ideologies eventually go - nowhere. ever since then there's been a shortage of misogynistic witch finders, having been replaced with the more secular, garden variety misogynists.

[@OzinRoseCity]

Nope. We're still here. 🧹

[@AnchoringHighFrequency]

@ have you participated in sacrificial spell work resulting in covert murders including the attempted Drown Marie Rose ritual for the 2023 Rose Festival…? Connected to the “successful” sacrifice of Hannah Rose Walker at the end of 2022…? Or are you part of a different coven?

[@asqirl8425]

We went back and forth w/Mark Lakeman in Portland two years back about the replacement of both communism and capitalism called communitarianism. He chose to slither under a rock and told us to pound sand. The intentional community organization give online courses on how to be a communitarian. We are in Olympia, Wa. and await a converse w/you or we can follow your slug slime trail like the one COMMUNITECTURE (mark lakeman) left for us.

[@csn583]

Patting ourselves on the back for reclaiming 1/100,000th of a paved landscape for a little garden. 🤦‍♂️ Cities are not and will never be sustainable. Too little, too late.

[@JC-nl3nh]

i would not be eating ANY food coming out of the toxic ground in a town.

[@makeamericagreenagain8511]

Raised beds eliminate the toxic risk of typical urban contaminants. Replacing the soil with tested safe compost also can be supplemented by creating compost regularly. Plus, JC doesn't have to eat it. Better projects are finding more competent participants who can figure this out cooperatively. Don't worry.

[@cacogenicist]

That's rather nonsensical. You would of course be creating your own dirt.

[@nanwilder2853]

@@makeamericagreenagain8511: The photo shown had NO raised beds, just plants growing out of a hole in the asphalt, which I thought was pretty weird.

[@deanlongfellow5154]

LOL like most farm land doesn't have toxins from years of synthetic fertilizer and pesticides. Knowing there could be a problem is step one. Leafy plants and greens absorb a lot of toxins like lead, cadmium, arsenic and petroleum residues. Those should only be grown in raised beds with clean soil and compost. Ferns and sunflowers do a great job at extracting nasties but need to be taken away so they don't decompose the nasties back. Fruity plants are safer as the toxins get into leaf and root but not the fruit. Soil can be tested for anything one is concerned about. It is really a very real concern to bring up but I would be careful not to assume any soil is not without potential problems especially with crops that readily absorb nasties.

[@chezztone]

Where do you think supermarket food comes from? Some holy place?

[@Muddywatersist]

LMAO, Portland, the land of fruits and nuts.

[@1lorijb]

They'll herd you in just like cattle 😂😂

[@robertgraham1626]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@danabiondo9243]

I Love Portland. Please "Keep" it Weird. 😮🫤🙂😉

[@nanwilder2853]

Portland, where I’ve lived for 67 years (since age 3) has never deserved the lame-ass “Keep --- Weird”, which came from Austin, Texas. . . The owner (former?) of Music Millenium, is the one responsible for bringing it here-though I do not recall exactly “how” that happened ; just know that it did. The Rose City deserves a tag-line of its OWN, and my vote would be for “Keep Portland Real”, because that is us, collectively, at our best!

[@chezztone]

This is nothing weirder than "green" capitalism. Portland can do much better.