Kailh Made a BCP Switch | Review & Sound Test

[@keebscape]

Update: I’ve been typing on these in various boards more than I have been than any other switch for the past few weeks. Doing so completely stock. I still think that the switch would benefit from lubing the springs, but I don’t think that I’d want to apply any lube, beyond what they come with, to the stems or housings.

[@pakhyeoncheol]

I love the honest timestamps hahaha. 1 minute of intro, 40 seconds of core content, 1 minute of outro

[@keebscape]

Hahahaha

[@BokehhBob]

great video dude! I just got these in and was fairly impressed.

[@keebscape]

Thanks homie 😁

[@Kw1spyboards]

this switch is very tempting, might considering getting it

[@jammies701]

Nice vid mate

[@keebscape]

Thanks homie

[@Zefraxii]

Will be selling my BSUN BCP’s and picking these up bc I LOVE scratch and was super disappointed with BSUN’s version of the switch

[@keebscape]

I hope you enjoy them!!

[@dashanyuan2403]

Nice review!!!

[@keebscape]

Thanks brother 😊

[@allenp4215]

Do you know if swapping out the tops with Cherry switches will work, to get closer to the original BCP sound profile, or will it still cause binding with the Kailh stem? Are these new BCP's using the same exact stems as recent Kailh Creams?

[@keebscape]

I just tried swapping to a cherry top and the switch wouldn't close. I believe that they are using the same molds as Creams, and from looking at them side by side, they appear to be the same. I am unsure if there are any minor differences between the stems.

[@fableboy10]

Do you think these need films? I def plan on spring swapping them for sure (thinking maybe 18mm 60g)

[@keebscape]

Not at all. The housings on mine don’t budge

[@ADoovy]

Do these 'feel' scratchy or grainy? Or is it only audible scratch. Ideally theyre smooth feeling but have sounds faint scratch sound

[@keebscape]

They don’t feel scratchy at all, it’s just a faint scratch-like sound!

[@ADoovy]

@@keebscape amazing i might pick some up

[@henricoleodra2165]

Do you need to filmed this switches?

[@keebscape]

No, I do not think they would close all the way with films

[@RandomKeebs]

Thanks for the video man! This definitely saves me from buying em lol. I was interested bc I loved the Sarokeys BCP’s, but I’m not a fan of the cherry scratch.

[@keebscape]

Of course! Glad it helped out 😁

[@RandomKeebs]

@@keebscape Definitely did! Maybe I’ll become more cherry inclined in the future! Haha

[@aegis7272]

Holy.

[@Sirkingd]

Imagine you bought Kailh bcp and take the stem out and make real recipe bcp, that would be such a troll.

[@keebscape]

🤯

[@Sirkingd]

​​@@keebscape i got the kailh bcp on my hand now, 70 of them. Since it is the same as cream stem. If i have time, I will put stem in the cherry mx black housing without lube also, because i cant afford h1 😅

[@Sirkingd]

​@@keebscape Im back, i wipe off the lube on the stem and put it in the cherry housing with gateron oil king spring. There's no issue at all, maybe you can try it but I don't know about the jwk bottom if it's gonna fit like nk cream old mold ;)

[@Sirkingd]

@@keebscape kailh bcp stem work with jwick black bottom, I tried it.

[@KrunchaRS]

cool

[@reaper117nobody7]

the most sought after cherries are broken in or polished to remove the scratch, and frankenswitch bcps don't have much if any scratch. I don't understand the idea of scratch being a feature on these vs them just being poorly made. they are scratchy because they are kaihl. the stems are the only thing kailh can do right consistently. and we mod everything else. not even saying they are outright bad. just they don't meet the standard for quality.

[@keebscape]

The most sought after cherries are vintage ones, which have the most scratch. I feel like a lot of people hear that they should be breaking in switches and assume that the crux of the decision to buy a switch or not should be how smooth it is. If your sole metric for quality in a switch is only how smooth it is… well, you do you lol. The scratch isn’t something that impedes the ability to type whatsoever. If you charted the keystroke using a force curve, you wouldn’t be able to tell the difference between this and the smoothest broken-in switch. You’re not going to feel it. The appeal of the scratch has nothing to do with feel. It’s the faint audible sound you get pre-bottom-out when typing. At the end of the day it doesn’t really matter, it’s all preference, but more of my friends in the hobby than not prefer non broken-in cherry switches

[@reaper117nobody7]

@@keebscape I'm not saying that scratch is bad even. Just that the industry is trending to smoother and smoother options. Also I have sarokey's bcp's and actual franken bcp's the frankenswitch ones have noticably less scratch. so if the copies of them introduce scratch while it might not be bad or the end of the world its just not really a bcp.

[@jalexanderc]

@@keebscape thought I'd weigh in here. Lemme preface that I'm a cherry enjoyer, but I'm pretty sure the sought after vintage cherry switches are sought out because they *are* broken in, in addition to the old molds and plastic composition. There's a difference in desire between NOS and used vintage cherries. On top of that, people made BCPs with jwk bottoms because of their smoothness. If you want a long pole cherry switch with scratch, why even bother with jwk? Just throw a kailh stem into a cherry housing. That being said, I'm not saying these kailh BCPs are good or bad. A lot of people, including myself, like cherry scratch. I'm sure a lot of people will like this version of the BCP, but I don't think it's quite hitting the same goal as the OG BCP.

[@keebscape]

@@jalexanderc I used to think that, but after acquiring 500ish vintage mx blacks, some NOS, some used, some broken in with break-in machines, I realized that that audible scratch is always there, even on the ones broken in 1 million times. Maybe that's just my experience though

[@jalexanderc]

@@keebscape that's fair, but my point on these BCPs vs the frankenswitches still stands. Both probably have their respective target audiences!

[@grantzu]

These seem really cool but im actually mad they made them long poles ngl

[@Strider1Wilco]

That's what they are though...

[@grantzu]

@@Strider1Wilco og bcps are long pole? i thought creams were full travel

[@ALMAHDI1720]

@@grantzu Creams are full travel in their housings, but Bcps consist of Cherry top, Cream stems and JWK bottoms that make them have a short travel and long pole.

[@grantzu]

@@ALMAHDI1720 Ah I see

[@keebscape]

⁠@@ALMAHDI1720so it’s kinda weird, creams are full travel in the sense that it’s 4mm, but they actually bottom out on the pole instead of the stem sliders. But yeah, you’re right!

[@DirtyGingy]

Scratch is a function of the surface finish of the molds the parts are made in and the surface finish of the leaf and spring. "Scratch is a feature" is the same as "less finishing work is a selling point. You are technically paying for/preferring less work

[@keebscape]

Why buy a $30 glass of Nikka Coffey Grain whiskey when you can buy an Old Fashioned for the same price or less? You’re paying for less work since they’re only pouring it into a glass vs actually making a mixed drink. Is essentially your take

[@muggleclutch]

This is such a strange perspective and you see it all over this hobby - say, in the privileging of overall keyboard weight and materials used in evaluating the worth of any unit. It has *some* limited value and certainly it's important to get a good deal, but when you make arguments like this you're reducing an item's value to the relationship between the work/money that went in vs. overall price. But like who really thinks this way? Do you really reduce everything in your life that you might be interested in to this kind of assessment? - I doubt it. And it's a fucking keyboard switch, my guy. Some of us like the sound of scratch, and we're intentionally *paying* for that. I'm not sitting around (and honesty I highly doubt you are either) saying "aw damn I really like the sound of this but you know the scratch on this switch means they must have put in .003 less cents of work into making this product, and I really can't justify that and am now personally offended." Get out of here.