Reaction to PRX Halo arms VS Vendetta Strength and GymPin Adapters

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[@KaizenDIYGym]

Interested in seeing how this was resolved? Check out this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pIXYaISZrNGeppY

[@nicelikemike]

I’ve never been a fan of PRX products and now I’m not a fan of their business practices or principals. HomeGym bro pass revoked!! 😤

[@KaizenDIYGym]

I am not super surprised. It is very sharky behavior.

[@keithhoneycutt2324]

@@KaizenDIYGymI see what you did there

[@tonya7699]

Hopefully prx will be shamed enough like rogue and the small family business UDA dip attachment. Shameful.

[@faisalaziz24]

I love my gym pin and vendetta set up! It’s way cheaper than the $1500 price tag!

[@KaizenDIYGym]

Awesome!

[@lydiavogel7924]

And better quality I bet!!!

[@carps_gym]

Yeah those Rorman Strength 360° handles really take lever arms to the next level as well. Let’s hope Kaizen, Vendetta, and Rorman get there due as well!

[@KaizenDIYGym]

Thanks Coach!

[@jorgeriveramaster]

Sounds like prior art to me. In patent law, prior art is any information that is publicly available before an invention is claimed. It can include anything that shows an idea is not new, such as: Patents Articles from trade or scholarly publications Conference presentations Existing products Websites Catalog advertisements Printed documents, such as encyclopedia or book pages

[@neilpollack3514]

Can one get a patent on prior art?

[@keithhoneycutt2324]

I was looking for a new person or company to focus some anger at

[@KaizenDIYGym]

Perfect

[@Mrwatson185]

Going to comment on coops video and post in PRX socials. For the time being, I will not buy a prx item until this is remedied. Best of luck to you, I am sorry to hear of this situation.

[@KaizenDIYGym]

I appreciate the support!

[@hk_1811]

Good video my man, I feel for you. I saw these yesterday when Coop showed them and immediately thought of Vendetta and Gym Pin. Am in talks with Britton at the moment to get some adapters and will 100% be following through on that, not cool what PRX did

[@1rwlemke]

Wow - thank you for this post. Very eye opening, I’ll be following along to see how this plays out. I’m not a lever arms guy personally but I appreciate your innovation.

[@KaizenDIYGym]

I appreciate the support

[@StonedRambo01]

That is F'D up! I've been sitting on more than 10 ideas and have no idea where to start to come out with a product without getting scammed

[@opi_is_me1576]

A patent. If you get one others can't take your ideas.

[@turdrhinofiend]

@@opi_is_me1576 chinese manufacturing makes patents worth less than the paper they are printed on in many cases.

[@KaizenDIYGym]

But you need lots of cash to acquire the patent and just as much, if not more to defend the patent. In the end, the companies with deep pockets have the advantage.

[@StonedRambo01]

@@opi_is_me1576 A lot of us creative types don't have hundreds of thousands of dollars to patent a line of products. And to bring them to market. So finding the right people to help bring ideas to market is crucial. I just wish I knew those trustworthy people

[@StonedRambo01]

@@KaizenDIYGym If you ever find some trustworthy people to bring ideas to please let me know

[@danredmond5589]

You are a prolific inventor of great ideas; this serves as a valuable lesson for you going forward.

[@tomfontana1446]

Just ordered my GymPin and Vendetta adapters to show my support. PRx don't even ship internationally, so it's their loss.

[@KaizenDIYGym]

You are awesome Tom!

[@dennisbergkamp7795]

I hope this gets spread far and wide. You guys are the heartbeat of the fitness community. People pushing the boundries in a rather stale space. Hopefully home gym bros unite and vote with their wallets. I know i will!

[@junioralvarado629]

I fucken knew when I first saw them! To have them patent it is soo much worst.

[@KaizenDIYGym]

Seriously bro

[@andreasg.9194]

Why didnt you & GimPin submitted a patent?

[@KaizenDIYGym]

We don’t have the $20k+ required to fund and defend a patent.

[@danbrazier951]

@@KaizenDIYGym The next time you have an idea this great you should make a kickstarter, then hopefully you could generate the funds quickly to patent an item or even get it into "patent pending" status. Keep up the good fight man. Love the channel.

[@mikemccoy04]

​@@KaizenDIYGym respectfully, /very/ short-sighted. 2 companies could have easily divided costs, got a small business loan, amortized the cost over time, and then funded cost recovery through pre-sales/reservations. Now it's going to cost way more to try to prosecute prior invention with historical evidence. Nonetheless, this whole situation is infuriating. I say declare war, rally the community, ally-up with other companies and firms, raise funds, and get legal expert to pursue corrective action. I've raised $25k in 2 wks for a medical GoFundMe, you can do the same.

[@ChrisRey3156]

This is very difficult. As a consumer, I loved the all in one solution presented by PRX, on the other, I get how difficult it is to patent something properly, not to mention the cost. This is a situation where going through the patent process first would have kept you in the conversation on the final design of their final product, but they really just Zuckerberged you, in a sense. Success here now is getting your stand alone product out the door that can be attached to any lever arm out there.

[@NoFate247]

No fate channel checking in for the full story

[@Mrwatson185]

It is tiiiiiiiime to make peeps aware of this one. Pretty slimy move to patent this when they were actively in talks with the OG designer. Always good to see you in another content creator’s comments sir 💪🏻

[@Massenomics]

Thanks for the Massenomics mention Big Kyle. Maybe they heard you say "Do it Yourself, Bro" and took that a little too literally.

[@KaizenDIYGym]

😂 damn, my words have come back to haunt me

[@carps_gym]

Massenomics registered trademark

[@bobbullethalf]

I have a PRX system and love it, I just wished they had more rack accessories.

[@mikejensen1473]

I think Sorinex might have something to say here. The hurricane has been out for years. It is a very similar set up while it is a stand alone unit. Much like arsenal strength multi flex too. I hope the industry doesn’t get jammed up by law suits- pun intended! Lol

[@jehsi-]

I literally just use a chain and carabiners to have my jammer arms be adjustable. Cost me like $10.

[@ahoff64]

As a current PRx owner, I was seriously considering the Halos as soon as I could afford the outrageous $1500 price tag. I erroneously assumed that they'd at least consulted folks from Gym Pin and Vendetta on this, but i'm honestly not surprised that isn't the case. Thanks for airing the dirty laundry - i'm definitely reconsidering anything related to PRx moving forward.

[@Irwinfletcher34]

I bought some vendetta adapters yesterday. Gonna buy your gym pin adapter too

[@KaizenDIYGym]

Heck yeah! Thanks for the support!

[@printerandscanner]

If you wanted to sue you could, you still have a case since you've invented everything before prx got the patent. + with them coming to ask you before hand and that plan falling through. It would be an expensive case to fight and win tho.

[@KaizenDIYGym]

Yeah, I don’t have the funds or the energy to fight a big company like that. I’d rather use my platform to bring awareness.

[@julioandresarriagarangel7183]

Why didn't you patent your design during your initial talks with PRX?

[@lastfirst2241]

Proper patents are very, very expensive.

[@RoryEllisMusic]

They didn’t reach out to Britton from Vendetta either! 😏

[@KaizenDIYGym]

Correct. I did mention that in the video

[@zacharyjohnson4915]

I was on the fence about buying some of there stuff, and these just made my decision for me… thanks for sharing

[@KaizenDIYGym]

As consumers and a community, we get to choose which companies we support. That’s not lost on me, I appreciate your support!

[@jasondowns940]

Well guys….. Let’s finish PRX

[@lamarwilliams185]

This happens in every market. They can just add a whole or change the steel used to go around patents. Some companies just wait for the patent to run out.

[@MrKeithcl]

I have a question. I have the rogue trolley V2. I have the Vendetta plates which use a backer plate on the rogue 3x3 arm to provide support where the arm hits the hinge pin. With the Gympin Kaizen adapter the vendetta backer plate seems to have no purpose. Am I wrong about that?? Thanks for anyone who knows.

[@KaizenDIYGym]

Correct, I have that same exact set up and there is no place for the plate. It’s never been an issue for me.

[@MrKeithcl]

@@KaizenDIYGym Thank you!! Your adapters are fantastic. I Am so glad I went with individual developers like you and Vendetta instead of PRX

[@michaeljocsonpt7684]

True story: I was seriously considering pre-ordering the PRx Halo arms. But now that I know this, I will not be buying anything from them.

[@edgarcabrera6132]

I’m rather new to the home gym community but just purchased the Vendetta adapters and will be purchasing your Kaizen adapters here within the next few days!! No Halo sissy arms at my home gym!!

[@THEREALTWISTEDINSANE]

PRX killed it with the Halo Arms tho , everything in 1 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@avinashtyagi2]

Quantum Trainer bends it over table

[@thomasstarke7833]

1500 is ridiculous

[@l.p.7359]

I've always thought PRx was overpriced for what they were selling. That said, I was REALLY surprised that Coop didn't mention Vendetta's arms when he reviewed the PRx arms recently. Vendetta was obviously getting ripped off. ... anyway, I remembered the comments on Coop over the past few years. His deletion of Vendetta's product was crazy, especially since I'd swear he had the dude who invented them on his channel way back when?!?

[@Scottydontno]

Coop sold out, literally. It’s not coop anymore, its coopcorp making reviews.

[@srhyse]

Even Titan’s working with people now on their ideas over swiping them, like the SquatMax. Pretty disappointing PRX isn’t.

[@1999TransAmWS6]

Sorry to see that. I love your channel. I've built a few of your designs (bulldog pad, seal row bench). Most people don't know how expensive it is to patent a product.

[@beckjacob]

The pricepoint for the Halo arms is way too high. Most people end up using jammer arms far less than they planned when they bought them, myself included. I bought a set of Titan Fitness X3 arms and will 100% buy the Vendetta adapter and the GymPin adapters to make them more functional. And all the while keep that extra $500-$600 in my pocket.

[@moistchris1]

Now its a race to get jammer arms that work with cables

[@jamiesoncostello]

In what way do they not currently work with cables? I use cables with mine, just throw a cable handle around the loading pin.

[@furezj]

Funny you should say. PRX just made a completely original design. *Sarcasm*

[@DingusSquatfordJr.]

Exactly, something like free motion functional trainer would be good

[@baezmd]

I own your Gym Pin with the Vendetta’s. I loooved both attachments. They have been a great addition to my Gym. I wrote back and forth with you Britton, both of you super cordial and attentive in your replies, and it SUCKS that a bigger company have done that to the 2 of you. It is UNFAIR!. I’ll never buy anything from PRX…. Not even a rubber band from those guys. Simply awful. 😡😡😡

[@edwardmeyer7178]

I do see similarities between the two, PRX is dead to me. But, I own the very limited Rep Iso arms and the (In my opinion Superior to Rep) - Griffin 2.0 Jammers. I wanted the Vendettas but was always missing the ordering window. Looks to me like PRX needs to go back and better refine those a bit. Especially for that crazy price. Your Gympin version w/Vendettas clearly win the design aspect... I've got some good Jammer-handle ideas I'd like to share for a mere proto type pair in return.

[@ptrkavls2297]

Have the GymPin and Vendetta adapters. I agree that's a rip off outside there adjustments are built in pop/push-pin style which is definitely more user-friendly. Last thing is, GymPin's customer service is horrible so I will have to say that, very bad experience when ordering from them.

[@SkogKniv]

The sad part is the road to challenge them with a lawyer is an expensive one.

[@KaizenDIYGym]

Yeah, I have no plans to challenge them in court. All I can do is bring awareness to these sharky business practices and let them community decide who they want to support.

[@Scottydontno]

@@KaizenDIYGymsharky, I see what you did there. 😂

[@doctabustacruz]

PRx was nice but always out of my price range and still is after finally been working my full time job for awhile now. I would much rather do my research and find the best value with the best ideas and piece things together from multiple companies. This allows me a unique set up and i get to support the small businesses of the home gym community. I love my vendetta strength and athletics x gympin x kaizen jammer arms!

[@hyg71886]

I’ll be adding your gym pin as I bought the vendetta attachment already. Sorry this happened to yall man that’s some bull

[@prcodes3479]

I'm no lawyer but those patents PRX got are probably invalid, as GymPin and Vendetta would be considered "prior art". What PRX did is shitty but as an inventor you should probably get in touch with a patent attorney to get a better understanding of how all that works and protect both yourself and your work. My limited understanding is you need to at least *apply* for the patent before publicly releasing the invention.

[@webblab2415]

Quite paradox. The whole patent idea is invented to protect small business subject to not be overcome by big players with resources advantage like marketing and manufacturing options. But at the end under these circumstances the patent process works in opposite manner..

[@thomaskennedy7842]

$1500? Guess we know where a portion of that is going (the overhead expense of patent attorneys to patent someone else's idea).

[@edgarcabrera6132]

That’s not including shipping! With shipping it’s just under 2K!

[@thomaskennedy7842]

​@@edgarcabrera6132 That's pretty nuts.

[@kidbrown2010]

Capitalism can be so demoralizing. There is always a Thomas Edison to a Nicolas Tesla.

[@KaizenDIYGym]

I agree. There’s nothing illegal about what they did. It just sucks.

[@gymhodgson]

Why no adjustment to allow locked convergence (probs only need 10°/15°) of the arms? I guess this would be termed ‘yaw’?

[@KaizenDIYGym]

There are some companies working on that right now

[@JNeathawk]

i didn't know much about patents, but it is confusing to me how anyone can patent something that's such a "simple machine". locking pins are a thing and swinging arms are a thing and isn't it obvious to put one on the other?

[@KaizenDIYGym]

I am not a patent attorney but I do know that they were granted the patent. Interestingly, I was cited in their patent.

[@weightsnwaves]

I'd find a way to significantly improve on the halo design and use and patent that. Just to be petty 😊

[@GarageGymLifeMedia]

It’s one thing to copy ideas, it’s a completely different thing to turn around and prohibit the original creators from continuing to profit from their ideas.

[@KaizenDIYGym]

I sincerely hope that is not the end goal here. We shall see how PRx responds to all of this.

[@GarageGymLifeMedia]

@@KaizenDIYGym I’m going to DM you. Would love to get you on the morning show next week.

[@lousantiago7511]

Didn't we see this idea in the Arsenal jammer arms before you made the gym pin piece?

[@KaizenDIYGym]

I didn't see it. If that's the case, PRX should make it right with them as well

[@djbakasan]

I have to say I’m conflicted here. Genuine question- I remember seeing posts on the home gym FB group of Crandall Fitness lever arms that had settable start points (like the Vendettas) and angle of rotation (like the GymPins) but there wasn’t the same pushback then. Why is that? You also cite the BoS instance with the selectable starting angles. The Straydog GOAT is also similar. This isn’t meant as a defense of PRX’s actions here, but the inconsistency of community discussion / outrage when these things happen probably feeds into how ideas propagate throughout all the different brands. Totally empathize why you’d be pissed at PRX, especially given the previous interactions. That said, the industry is rife with cases where the home gym community isn’t consistent about when it gets up in arms and raising pitchforks about derivative design. Someone else commented about Sorinex Bulldog pads. Shouldn’t we similarly be pissed about the Bells of Steel Seal Row pad then? Or the Exponent Edge version? There’s more of those types of benches out there that simply slip my mind, but I don’t see how that instance is entirely different. The dynamics of small players vs big players is different, but the notion of derivative / stolen ideas feels the same to me at first blush.

[@KaizenDIYGym]

I totally understand where you're coming from. I can't speak for the entire community but I can share my perspective. The Crandall Arms utilize an entirely different mechanism. Similar functionality but completely different engineering to get there. That doesn't bother me. Straydog did rip me off and then sent a photo telling me they were about to launch a product that I inspired (the alpha arms). We had some back and forth, they declined to work out a royalty deal. I was pissed and I did mention it on the socials. Eventually I just let it go. I am just a one man show and don't have the funds to fight this stuff in court. As for the bulldog pad and other similar equipment, that's not my fight. I made this video because it was pretty obvious what PRX did. In the video the guy says they incorporated what everyone else was doing aftermarket and patented it. It's not illegal, it's just sharky and the community has a right to know so they can use that information when choosing which companies to support.

[@Polentaccio]

They've " patented" the design though so what does that mean for gympin or anyone else? I know most patents don't mean much but that's still poor taste.

[@kyles8391]

I have no intention of buying from PRx, $1,500 is stupid and that's after they were talked down from a higher price point. Read the comments from Coop's review and it's clear PRx missed the boat. They didn't even roll out with the pulley feature they showcased in an earlier video and that's what people who have cable systems were excited about. But this is an all in one set-up, there are no adapters or having to pick a specific set of arms to fit your rack model. Personally I see more in common with PRx and Crandall Fitness or Griffin 2.0 (and Crandall is half the price). I hear Vendetta is releasing their all-in-one converging/adjustable arms but I'm hoping they fix their production issues and can keep up with demand. Bulletproof is getting ready to release their new arms as well. I keep reading comments that REP is working on their ISO Arms 2.0 but I'll believe it when I see it, however if they can design something that complements their Ares 2.0 cable system then shut up and take my money. I still haven't found arms that check all the boxes. I like how Legend Fitness you can swivel their arms 180 degrees so they're out of the way but they only have a vertical plane of movement. Any arms with a trollley are a PITA to remove so you have to keep them on full time. But if you have a cable system then that can be PITA to deal with (which is why I liked that pulley option PRx featured).

[@joshwood54]

I have an old set of BOS that are 60mm x 60mm. Will the gympin adapters work with them

[@KaizenDIYGym]

I suggest reaching out to GymPin directly [e-mail] They can answer that for you.

[@MrEntaroadun]

Lol they even patented it? Businessman being shameless, plagiarism as always.

[@robhughes2629]

Great video as always. Very disappointing to hear PRX ripped off design elements from others. Striking them from the list of companies I’ll buy from

[@awmlawoffice]

Patents are great, but just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you should. People should just stop buying PRX. It's ridiculously overpriced anyway. It's always the huge companies doing this. Sorinex scewed Donnie Thompson with their Center Mass Bells. I will never buy Sorinex and I made sure the surrounding High Schools didn't when they renovated their weight rooms. Probably a pebble to them, but about a $200k loss from a nobody.

[@Porterphysed]

I stand with Gympin and Vendetta

[@KaizenDIYGym]

Thanks Matt!

[@chrisbowler6382]

This definitely gives me pause for buying any prx products. Surely you can defeat their patent with prior art. That might bring them to the table for royalties.

[@MurphGymExperiment]

I don’t know how to feel here. Patent is the secret sauce, so you can blame competition for winning the race. But also if there’s known problem statements for a product (no locking positions and no side-to-side play), then isn’t it a matter of time for everyone to enhance their product? The sleeper product is Crandall fitness arms btw

[@KaizenDIYGym]

To be clear, I’m not expecting PRX to pay me a royalty, and they definitely didn’t do anything illegal. It was just shady to take our ideas and patent them. Patents are expensive. You need $20k+ to acquire and defend one. For that reason, big companies with deep pockets will always have the upper hand.

[@MurphGymExperiment]

@@KaizenDIYGym now’s your chance to come out with anti-PRX merch lol spreads awareness and makes you future patent money

[@alexlopez-dk4jq]

What would be the cheapest setup for jammer arms? I’ve been looking

[@KaizenDIYGym]

Titan makes a pretty affordable version: titan-fitness.pxf.io/dajZd2

[@julianmuller766]

Can you make a claim for royalties from PRX even though they have the patent and you don't? Since you posted the initial idea publicly, surely there's a legal route for you to prove that you inspired the idea and make such a claim, especially given that you're a small enterprise and don't necessarily have the same financial capabilities patent-wise as a big company like PRX.

[@scooobyj8714]

PRX is shady. I will not ever buy from them.

[@KaizenDIYGym]

Super shady bro

[@scooobyj8714]

@@KaizenDIYGym come on… stepping on the throat of others and stealing their design and claiming it as your own. I really lost a lot of respect from those guys. Keep up your work brotha! You know you are doing it right when your ideas are getting stolen.

[@joe112000]

Are the adaptors only for 3x3 racks? I have a 2x2.

[@KaizenDIYGym]

I think there are 2x2's available. I'd suggest reaching out to gympin directly. [e-mail]

[@roberttaylor8514]

#boycott @PRXstrength

[@KaizenDIYGym]

I've never owned any of their equipment and don't see that changing any time soon.

[@aclsass]

are those bumper plate designs still available?

[@890639buck]

Plus coop kinda dissed the gym pin version in the video

[@Scottydontno]

“Mr. Wonderful” is anything but that, I don’t want anything to do with any company that he’s got his hands into. PRX is done for me.

[@Squatzinthecurlrack]

Hopefully Prx makes it right

[@Hugh_Ganus]

Yeah bro, I’m rolling with vendetta and your gym pins. I’ve always considered prx to be lame.

[@KaizenDIYGym]

Thank you for the support!

[@fwiffo42]

PRx sucks for working this way. They could have easily come to an agreement with you and Vendetta so that everybody wins instead of standing on the shoulders of giants and trying to extract as much money from customers as possible.

[@KaizenDIYGym]

I am hoping bringing attention to this will motivate them to reconsider. It would be awesome to partner up with them.

[@fwiffo42]

@@KaizenDIYGym I hope so too!

[@authentichealthcoach4142]

I would never buy anything from any company like PRX - I invest in companies equipment that create original ideas. I am the Director of Programming for ViPR PRO and we experienced all kinds of rip offs and shady business practices by companies and distributors. PRX should be ashamed of themselves. I won the Vendetta adapters and they are awesome. It has definitely made my Sorinex Jammer arms more functional. Speaking of Sorinex… how many products have they invented that have been ripped off? I am sitting on an invention that I have never brought out because of this nonsense. Would love chatting with you about your experiences. Sorry you went through this brother.

[@Spencebot42]

Kinda hard to claim PRX's lever arms are a rip-off when the Vendetta and Gympin products are add-on adapters for existing lever arms and the PRX Halos are a complete one-piece solution. I get being annoyed about it, but you didn't patent it and you didn't offer a complete lever-arm, so I'm not really sure what you were expecting to happen. It was only a matter of time before one of the big companies did this, and the PRX Halos are reasonably price competitive when considering getting something like the Rogue Trolley lever arms with both adapters. Again, I get the frustration, but this was going to happen without a patent and you had to expected it.

[@KaizenDIYGym]

Totally. I’m posting a video today that responds to this type of “that’s just business” response in addition to other comments I’ve been getting. Stay tuned.

[@GavinLairdStrength]

Conversely my jammer arms are a complete arm, share many of the features of the PRX product, and were the subject of a EUIPO design patent from 2019.

[@daitrong]

Dude, everyone knows that if you have a great product you should patent it. If it wasnt PRX who patent the idea, it would have been someone else down the line. You should really be mad at yourself for not patenting the idea when PRX TOLD you that you needed a patent. They even told you to patent it but you still didnt.

[@KaizenDIYGym]

Check out my follow up video where I address this specific comment in detail.

[@Eccles_basement_gym]

Was wondering if id see a reaction to this from you.

[@KaizenDIYGym]

I was going to let it slide but that GGR video got me all fired up.

[@Eccles_basement_gym]

@@KaizenDIYGym I felt the same way. And I dont even sub to that channel, just happened to come across kt.

[@rjm656]

Very scummy! Fwiw, I believe REP was the first to make lockable jammer arms that locked in multiple positions. They only had a few positions, but vendetta essentially took the concept and added more holes.

[@SamwiseKimchee]

Can you sue them for this?

[@KaizenDIYGym]

Nope but I have been in talks with PRx over the last few weeks and we’re finding an amicable solution

[@MathiasMorch]

Didnt you and Vendetta rip off Gavin Laird's design in the first place? Or how do you tjinl tje situation differs?

[@KaizenDIYGym]

I am familiar with a lot of Gavin's designs but I don't recall one that is similar to the Vendetta Adapters

[@MrYishaiShields]

Contact a patent attorney I'm sure your patrons would support you getting a patent. 5 or 10k im sure you could get it.

[@areynolds38116]

Got em.....

[@KaizenDIYGym]

Just trying to shed some light on what's going on behind the scenes

[@mwpig5]

PRX sucks and their products look like Amazon shit anyway.

[@KaizenDIYGym]

😂😂🤣

[@chrisdonnell2575]

Yeah I saw that and thought the same thing. I figured they paid you a royalty to do that! You should be pissed.

[@KaizenDIYGym]

I'm planning on doing a follow up video based on how they respond. We'll see what happens.

[@chrisdonnell2575]

@@KaizenDIYGym Wish you luck. In your and others desire to HELP other gym owners greedy people exploit your and others innovations and basically steal it spend the money to patent an idea they didn't create. If I was a lawyer would help you go after those bastards. I'm glad I didn't buy their stuff! I have Rep with dual athenas and love my squat max md from titan. Best belt squat and your lever arms are clearly the best IF they made them attachable and removable I'd buy them but with athenas can't leave it on rack. I'd love to hook them to cable and have better resistance curve.

[@colejensen1035]

Not a shot at you personally, I like your channel and your ingenuity but I think this design is a fairly intuitive update to trolley arms that consumers were interested in for a long time. In the gym equipment space I think it’s fair to say that if you don’t patent an idea, assume someone will either patent it themselves or just start making their own version of it. I also think there are a lot of people that don’t want to buy three separate pieces of equipment to make this work so it’s simpler for them.

[@KaizenDIYGym]

Yeah, like I said in the video. I didn’t have a patent and PRX declined to work with me. Not much I can do other than make a video about it. Vendetta did apply for a design and utility patent. I’m not sure how that’s gonna play out.

[@forhisglory1984]

Didn’t Coop crap on your product in his latest video?

[@KaizenDIYGym]

I wouldn’t necessarily say he crapped on my product but his critique doesn’t bother me. I agree with him to an extent. They’re not perfect. We’re retrofitting jammer arms and giving them more functionality. It’s a different beast entirely from a $1500 set of brand new jammers.

[@R1valRed]

Thats messed up. I'm sure its not malicious, business is business, but come on.

[@bigcobo5378]

Yes they ripped you guys off, fans won’t buy it. We support you 🙌

[@KaizenDIYGym]

We appreciate the support!

[@MetalsForBrunch]

Mr Wonderful wont give a penny to credit royalty to anyone. Really sad Prx had to copy then patent it right away, disgusting business.

[@KaizenDIYGym]

Yeah, I feel like Mr. Wonderful has the reputation for being sharky for a reason

[@kq9l115]

Sorry this happened, clear ripoff. FWIW I just bought some Vendettas, I’ll never buy Prx

[@bren_miller]

PRX is trying to capture home gym “newbies” that aren’t up to date on the jammer arm history. that is the unfortunate part. I have vendetta adapters and would love to get the gym pin articulating adapters one day. But, if I was never aware of either I’d be like “hell yeah. These halo arms are sweet”, and that really sucks for home gym innovators. Hope PRX shits the bed with these or karma gets them!

[@KaizenDIYGym]

Yeah, not much I can do other than bring awareness. Now when people search for videos on the Halo arms, this video will show up right after the GGR video.

[@bigk2080]

Ive was wondering how companies like PRX were getting away with this.

[@KaizenDIYGym]

Money. They have lots of money and can afford patent attorneys. It’s really hard for the smaller guys to compete.

[@bigk2080]

@@KaizenDIYGym I think it's bullshit, they clearly took what you did and Vendetta did and stole it, then patented your work. Coop kinda called them out in his review video, saying that thier Kizen arms with pop pins.

[@dominiicp]

I saw the video from Coop and he took a jab at you. You guys don't stick together on KZbin so I guess those affiliate links are the dividers. I guess you didn't want to mention that part of the video and I know you saw it

[@KaizenDIYGym]

Yeah, his critique doesn’t bother me. I agree with him to an extent. They’re not perfect. We’re retrofitting jammer arms and giving them more functionality. It’s a different beast entirely from a $1500 set of brand new jammers.

[@dominiicp]

@@KaizenDIYGym respectfully I disagree, You are the king of your own world but it was seem that KZbin content creators in this type of environment should have some type of support for each other. He (coup) has his way of words by calling some items cheap or not really useful. He's the guy who said that type of product was not useful but then ching ching... Affiliate link! This is the same guy that got a very nice affordable bench removed from Amazon by saying it was stealing patents and design ideas. He was sounding like he was Mr. Morals & integrity man with a badge. For some strange reason his demeanor has changed for that video and he didn't have the same type of energy. I wonder what changed...... 🤔

[@franciscobrenes8567]

Not going to lie I started following around that time you made them and I remember saying I hope a company sponsor him that’s going to be so helpful for athletes. & now look at this. SMH !!!!!!

[@bobbyhunt3009]

Hey Man, first thing you should've done back when you made them out of wood was get it patented. Whatever you had to do to ge a patent on your design, you really should've done it, before you told anyone, even your family members about them. PRX screwed you and don't care. This is the world we live in, everybody is out for themselves. Why in the world would you talk with companies before having a patent on your product. I don't use jammer arms but I do feel for you. This world is dog eat dog. Hard to keep your cool when someone has stolen serious money from you. I feel bad for you

[@KaizenDIYGym]

No need to feel bad for me. I’m in a good spot. I understand this is just how it goes. What they did is not illegal. It’s just uncool. I have plenty of ideas and opportunities to turn them into equipment because of this one freebie. It was worth it.

[@Daveskelly1]

This shows extremely bad faith to the home gym community. I really hope people go to Vendetta or Gym pin instead of PRX.

[@KaizenDIYGym]

We shall see. Since posting this video we've been getting a ton of support from the home gym community.

[@MrliPortuguese]

Disgusting behaviour... Hope they get what they diserve.

[@kieranwardale6212]

I wont be buying from prx. If you do scummy things you dont get my money.