WSU archeology team discovers indigenous merchant empire in Kansas

[@TxCwby]

Was at Palo Dura Canyon this past week where many of these same finds were displayed. It is SO VALUABLE to see these discoveries put through their proper dilligence. What a find!

[@ElmerSpuda]

It makes sense that their trade development would occur centrally rather than on the coasts, being isolated from the ‘old world’. Anthropologists have known for a long time that there were vast urban centers and trade networks in the Midwest. Good to see that the archaeology continue to add definition to the picture with physical evidence.

[@joannhiseley363]

yes, i flatly agree

[@WereHere2Stay]

It's been long known that there were major trade routes throughout what is now known as the Americas. The routes rival the european Spice routes yet some people don't want to acknowledge the indigenous trade. Glad these scholars finally got what indigenous people have known for centuries.

[@CrazyBear65]

They don't want to acknowledge the facts, because then they will be forced to acknowledge that "manifest destiny" was just doublespeak for genocide and land theft.

[@TukwilaRed1974]

Maybe it’s not that we don’t want to acknowledge it. It’s just that we don’t know about it. Reports like this help educate us.

[@WereHere2Stay]

@TukwilaRed1974 I disagree. Many things that Native people are denied to this day. One personal example, I was at Chaco Canyon for Solstice and tour guides and educators were denying natives new anything about Astronomy. Huh??!!! Liars.

[@yoni-in-BHAM]

Exactly! 👍

[@enough1494]

It would bring to light what we destroyed to conquer in the name of gOd. We the original immigrants destroyed nations.

[@deltonlomatai2309]

probable an extension or part of the Pochteca itinerate Aztec merchant system that conducted trade as far north as Chaco canyon. The kokopelli found on rock art maybe related the pochteca. Flute playing to signal their arrival. The hump back from the pack of trade good they carried. Their trade network may have extended all the way to terra del fuego and Alaska. The pochteca may actually predate Mayans. 2:00

[@jacka55six60]

Chicomoztoc "The seven caves of the North" This Aztec legend states they were born from seven tribes in the North and in their last days, they would return to mother earth in those seven caves. Monks with Cortez described in detail a list of vast treasure after arriving in the Aztec capital in 1519. After being run out of the city, Cortez returned to find the treasure was gone. Most think "North" means Northern Mexico but I think it could be North America.

[@jacka55six60]

I've often wondered if those rock art paintings contained some sort of code to help travelers find their way on ancient trade routes.

[@deltonlomatai2309]

@@jacka55six60 Some of them are. Some show were water can be found. Some point to a direction or mark trails. Some say if you can find this you are at the right place. Others are graffiti. Some are territorial markers. There is an intrinsic need to say I was hear or I exist.

[@deltonlomatai2309]

@@jacka55six60 There is the curious archeological site of Aztalan Wisconsin. That had mounds and was thought to be Aztec. Archeologist say it was from the mound builders. It maybe possible that the mound builder and Aztec were related? There are a number of tribes in the US who speak UTO-AZTECAN language showing a link. The Aztecs may have originated in the United stares. Aztec certainly controlled Norther Mexico before the aztec conquest of what was left of the Toltec civilization in the Mexican city valley. Aztecs did have some civil engineering skills upon arrival showing that they were not influenced by the existing culture.

[@danieldelrancho5749]

@@deltonlomatai2309where exactly in Wisconsin?

[@malcolm2587]

And you thought they were just wandering around looking for somebody to eat

[@NanaWilson-px9ij]

Those are beautiful flints.

[@AloysiusChristopher-pm7gg]

You ought to read what the spanish and brits said about the natives before all of the mass immigration to America

[@oldfarmer9004]

Where does this fall in line with the cahokia settlement, time wise?

[@itstiminhere1]

It doesn't matter if people accept it or not. Some people don't accept that the Earth is spherical.

[@rsnc23]

Like your face, The Earth is flat.

[@johndcornell6341]

Modern people can't get borders out of their heads...like native people couldn't travel from Canada to Mexico without a passport

[@studiohost]

Where can I find your follow up?

[@e23779]

“Most people realize” is the key term. As he noted, the Spanish recorded this. Anglos dismissed them as romantic fantasists!

[@Teeveepicksures]

Well to be fair when the Anglos showed up the native population was but a small fraction of what it had been when the Spanish first arrived.

[@e23779]

@@Teeveepicksures Yeah, I just have a pet peeve at reports framed as mind-blowing because it’s assumed the audience is full of misconceptions.

[@Foreverforests]

Most major U.S. cities are literally built on the remains of indigenous cities and people. Indigenous people knew where to build cities they were part of this land, when Europeans took over they just built over what was already here.

[@4WorldPeace2]

I am happy to hear an educated professional say, "Eventually, all of the schoolbooks should change." Amen! Not only should the school textbooks about this central North American tribe of First Nations peoples, but also who first discovered America (it definately wasn't Columbus in 1492), and the abundance of pre-flood locations like Göbekli Tepe and other global preflood sites who used megalithic stones that even today cannot be lifted.

[@Lex_Lugar]

Yes since semantics are so important. Let's stop separating people with terms like "indigenous" and "native." My family has been here for 300 years. I am native to where I was born and so is everyone else.

[@Egr-et6ar]

@@Lex_LugarNorth African/Middle Estners been in Erope for much longer. They are more native to Erope.

[@XephyrutheMad]

@@Lex_Lugarbeing indigenous and being native-born are two totally different things. being aware of their definitions doesn’t separate anyone from anything.

[@tuvoca825]

Many groups. Not just one.

[@XephyrutheMad]

@@Egr-et6ar wrong. europeans are already descended from those same groups.

[@MinnesotaBeekeeper]

Basically we have no idea who the first inhabitants were in North America. Making the term "native" questionable at best. The reporter trying to contact the current local tribes and assuming they are the decedents is a joke.

[@michelevk569]

They would not have been hunting ‘cows’ - the only indigenous bovine species in the Americas was the Bison before the Spanish imported cows, sheep, chickens, horses, etc. from Europe and further flung ports.

[@L.W.123]

Repent and turn to JESUS CHRIST. This world is about to pass away!

[@samsmom1491]

​@@L.W.123 No thank you. Your religion has caused enough damage and we're no longer scared of a second coming that'll never occur. The Golden Rule is needed, not religion.

[@jeffhildreth9244]

@@samsmom1491 About time someone one had the spheres to say what religion is and has done.

[@dalesnyder4831]

LW needs to repent the sins of American Christians and his own! I’m one myself but I am cognizant of the fact that not all Christians felt that everyone else had to believe the same. These people evolved into the Christian nationalists we have today.

[@Egr-et6ar]

@@michelevk569 Cows, sheep, chickens, horses, etc, etc…. aren’t originally from Europe.

[@wpgitchick]

First off, the natives have not forgotten it. Second, it went farther north than just north Dakota, it went well into northern Canada

[@elainemunro4621]

And to think that 90% died from contact with Europeans and their lack of immunity.

[@ChadMukina]

Check out mud floods. Grand canyon, on maps of 500 years ago, was a huge lake that gave out in the last few hundred years. California is an island. I recommend static in the attic. Great videos.

[@slappy8941]

​@@ChadMukinaMUH MID FLOOD! 😂😂😂 Y'all are dumb as fuck. 😂😂😂

[@conradnelson5283]

Preserving meat takes salt and there is a big salt lake in North Oklahoma close to this location. I wonder if they spilled over into that area

[@nunyanunya4147]

DOZENS ov other ways to preserve meat... please... please learn something today so you don't continue to spread misinformation and ignorangce

[@lazygardens]

Pemmican is a preserving method that does not require salt.

[@scottmcfarland2149]

Awesome!!

[@NS-mz8gq]

It is not just war that changes the population it is diluted bloodline and forgotten language.Just like the Ilirians and Dardanians where 70% don’t even know that they were originally Ilirians.The only ones that managed to survive and keep their language fought back in the mountains and change their religion and name of their territory.

[@theairportstuff]

The lost tribes that were taken away by the assyrians eventually became a bunch of the European white people. Celts, Saxons, Goths, Picts, Anglos, Ostrogoths. And they were gathered here in the americas and no one knows it. Amazing.

[@Michaela1942]

I appreciate this story but I also think it's sort of sadly telling that perhaps Americans will take Native more seriously if they are better at buying and selling stuff.

[@Roylamx]

Americans appreciate free enterprise as a way for everyone to better themselves while peacefully bettering those around them. Unfortunately we see this system has become corrupted by greed, conspiracy and intrigue until it has devolved into anarcho capitalism..

[@UntetheredBanshee]

​@@Roylamx Anarcho-Capitalism isn't a thing we experience right now because that would actually look a lot more like libertarianism. It's just capitalism. Pure unfettered capitalism.

[@dalesnyder4831]

You make a very good point. We value the qualities of enterprise and profit making, but those are not necessarily qualities prized by all cultures. Americans and Europeans value enterprise, but some cultures thought more highly of nature and community. They did not take joy in selling, but rather just making something. Remember that the “progress” we have accomplished is warming the world and destroying its resources.

[@victorhopper6774]

@@dalesnyder4831 grow up

[@dalesnyder4831]

@@victorhopper6774 eat a big mac

[@dominicd7610]

Incredible

[@Brian-----]

Quivira and Etzanoa were similar in scale if not bigger in some ways than the Iroquois.

[@AhJodie]

I thought we already knew this. Thank you!

[@tammierose3753]

Here we go again

[@watermelonlalala]

You can't remember what you never knew.

[@Jigger2361]

memory can be "jogged" by finding items and their realizing their connections

[@watermelonlalala]

@@Jigger2361 This is a theory that needs to be proven. I doubt they were trading meat from coast to coast. They need to explain these trade networks.

[@JohnniewHarveyjr]

This is why you should have listened to the old natives not just story's believe everything we natives tell you

[@Lex_Lugar]

Everyone is native to where they are born and raised. Use your tribe name.

[@Egr-et6ar]

@@Lex_LugarMany Africans and Middle Estners born in Erope today.

[@maxismills]

My family had a story of us being Cherokee natives who would hunt in the Appalachian mountains. Took an ancestry test…we’re 100% European.

[@j.w.r3730]

Why is it our advancements make people think the ancients were primitives. Maybe because they had to think for themselves. Unlike now,where now a little box in your hand is making you dumber and dependant by thinking for you instead. And controlling what you think,people now think they are independant when they arent. Along with culturally religiously limited constrainst saying the ancients either were primitive or didnt even exist.

[@victorhopper6774]

they were still playing with rocks and copper tools.

[@ericheine2414]

Everybody should share this discovery. When civilization superimposes itself upon another civilization calling the previous civilization Savages. No they're civilized they're just civilized in a different way.

[@NiceDonkey3417]

Did she just say Ar-Kansas?

[@franklinpatterson3693]

That's it's name. Most call it ark city

[@NiceDonkey3417]

@franklinpatterson3693 if it has the 'ar' in front, it is given the french pronunciation.

[@Thunder_Dome45]

I thought they were just wondering around and picking berries until Europeans showed up.

[@nunyanunya4147]

i cant tell if you are being sarcastic or just blissfully stupid

[@lilpinakeit4190]

Amazing, imagine if most didnt get taken out by the deaseses columbus brought to america.

[@charlienfaulk5413]

And the mass slaughter of the people because they wouldn't just give up their homes and submit. Hmmm sounds familiar to me.

[@samsmom1491]

It wasn't just Columbus, but point is taken.

[@tula1433]

Or rival tribes!

[@paulkeahtigh2]

They told everybody that we were savages back in the day,smh🏹

[@TC-cr2oy]

The winners ALWAYS lie about the people they subjugated.

[@tvviewer4500]

Propaganda is propaganda

[@rodneynorfolk9737]

humans are savage...white, black, yellow or red. some pottery doesn't change that.

[@tvviewer4500]

@@rodneynorfolk9737 you must be one of those ‘C-students’

[@tomcranks]

I suggest you look into the history of the Apace and Comanche for specificity as to why that characterization came to be. I would not suggest a generalization to all indigenous peoples. However, slavery, savagery and subjugation were the norm throughout North America.

[@indivisibleman8596]

Similar settlements were found in South Dakota, where the early 1900's 'archaelogist' claimed they were from 1,000 years before, but I suspect the Native Settlements were there as late as the early 1800's when the European 'settlers' murdered them.

[@victorialawhon2251]

"We're not in Kansas anymore" It's beyond time we acknowledge this

[@ibgeorgeb]

This is a nice story. I’m Diné (Navajo) and not “indigenous.”

[@soundsgood9766]

the correct term is 'injun'

[@jamesvillebrun-dy7fw]

hand rubbing intensifies.....🤣😂🤣😂

[@lilpinakeit4190]

Hope yall know it goes up in down and side to side, the trading was huge

[@juanguevarajr3241]

finally!!!!!!!!

[@fireofhislove3395]

The Sioux used to trade with the Apache.

[@GrumpyGramps67]

They hate admitting changes to the narrative of the Smithsonian.. Columbus had a map.

[@machberet4884]

What was their currency?

[@alisonhenry820]

Trade and barter do not use currency

[@machberet4884]

@@alisonhenry820if there was a merchant empire, they must have used some kind of money

[@deanfirnatine7814]

Larger and more powerful than Cahokia and its Mississippian Culture, going to need a lot of evidence for a claim that big.

[@STFU768]

Why? There are plenty of examples already, Tenochtitlan, Vilcabamba and Machu Picchu are the most famous

[@lorageproductions]

Only one city discovered in this country that has reached the general public. There are many more

[@Blt-rr2lm]

It’s important to remember that nearly 90 percent of north and South American indigenous people died at the hands of the Spanish, mostly from disease. 55 million people. A tremendous amount of knowledge died with them.

[@chucklesthered2338]

Please cite the sources for this number of 90%.

[@GeorgeSweet]

Archeologists should really read outliers. Even dudeman said at the end to basically ignore outliers until they form a hill basically. It just really makes me rethink history when even the most progressive on the fringe guy for a decade snuffed at is still so ignorant of human faculty is capable of.

[@olyokie]

Why aren’t other anthropologists jumping onboard with this? Pretty big claims and it would be great to get some more expertise involved.

[@mylaughinghog]

@DonaldBlankeslee Don H. would have been thrilled to see this reporting.

[@yourfinalhiringagency3890]

Yay, I just started the video and I’m super psyched to hear about the new finds. Pottery shards. A few stone tools. I can’t wait to hear what they’re saying is such a big find! Lost City! Whaaaaaa! 200,000? Not a lot of evidence I guess, they’re just showing some stone tools. Hmmmm. A mass grave supporting a pop of that size would need to be found, along with evidence of food stores. Not a lot of that, we do know that there were thriving cities before Europeans diseases hit the Aztecs and traveled north before any whites even saw these cities. Interesting that they found a book, this seems like a white object, not a native one from a native city….

[@enrgz]

One in many thousands of examples... Coward academia just doesn't want to slow their income & appointments to high paying jobs & positions. So real history is quashed.

[@judithwood6419]

only Christian Europeans, the valued all cultures, but their own. And within their own cultures, they value all people except the top tier.

[@STFU768]

Never understood why midwits think that europeans were the only ones capable of building civilizations. The americas were some of the most uninhabitable lands on earth and the indigenous peoples were still able to thrive, create, and adapt!

[@TheTibetyak]

Remember when "scientists" said that what separates man from beast is the use of tools. That has not panned out so well either.

[@Egr-et6ar]

@@TheTibetyak Iron working was introduced to Europe in the late 11th century BC, from the Caucasus, and slowly spread northwards and westwards over the succeeding 500 years. Meanwhile…. The dates show that early Native Americans were among the first people in the world to mine metal and fashion it into tools. ironworking was introduced to Europe later, Native Americans in the southeastern United States had already been extracting iron ore from local deposits around 1,000 years ago. They used iron to make tools, such as arrowheads and knives.

[@TheTibetyak]

@@Egr-et6ar Otters have always used rocks to break open clams. Primates and birds use sticks to pull insects out of their nests for food. Chimpanzees are being found to use large sticks as offensive and defensive weapons.

[@victorhopper6774]

nonsense

[@victorhopper6774]

@@Egr-et6ar nonsense

[@natenate2280]

The remnants of the Tartarian Empire. Chicago used to be named Chilaga and is shown accurately on maps as far back as the 1520’s on mercator’s map. Many of the maps have since been distorted or otherwise perverted. The flag of the Tartarian Empire is in many maritime catalogs and codebooks up the the early 1800’s and looked much like the Qing Dynasty flag of the following era. A yellow flag with a black zelat (a chimera) with a curled tail. This same black chimera is shown as being slain on the russian flag. The russian communist party wiped all evidence of the tartars and most of them were genocided in the following decades. The CIA has old documents detailing the concerning revision of history the ruling class of Russia had undertaken under communist rule. Alot of our history is hidden from us.

[@ufonomicon]

lol there were over 100 million indigenous people across the Americas pre Colombian.

[@genesotdorus413]

Of corse the people traded amongst other tribes . Stop with the fact you’re the only one correct . There is a lot of information to be learned .

[@victorhopper6774]

trade was nothing like today. any bulk trading would have been by water. no wheels and no horses

[@toniaammon5182]

How did straw huts survive the Midwest weather; THE TORNADOES

[@cynsi7604]

That’s the 1st thing that popped into my mind and I don’t even live in the mid-west (Southerner here). But still those tornados🌪️ maybe they didn’t have that many back then, I have no clue. 🤷🏻‍♀️ But still…🤯

[@DaddyFox-f1s]

200000 in 1600's now we have 5 maybe 6 full bloods left reminds me of that song Micheal Jackson sings they don't care about us

[@rrickard2874]

You have to care enough to keep your blood pure. They call it razzizm and supremacy and tribalism, but we call it proud.

[@deanfirnatine7814]

Both the Comanche and Lakota (Sioux) had legitimate expansionist empires, the Comanche just pushed everyone out of the region as they expanded even the Apache, while the Lakota left some tribes in place only taking part of their territory and demanded tribute like vassal states of corn etc from the land they left them.

[@williamryder5021]

❤❤❤❤❤

[@billwilson-es5yn]

This professor is promoting a false narrative. The Spanish explorers did come across larger organized villages in Arizona and New Mexico of the Zuni, Hopi and Pueblo tribes. Once out on the Great Plains they encountered small bands of natives that lived in small grass huts and were naked due to the heat. They went as far as southern Kansas where they stopped at a large village along a river where crops were being raised. Since the inhabitants were living rough the Spanish figured there wasn't any point to go further to find Eldorado. Today's version of their exploration claims that was a large city of thousands with well muscled warriors that stood over 6 feet tall and forced the Spanish to leave by attacking them.

[@danielclark7495]

References for your argument!!

[@billwilson-es5yn]

@@danielclark7495 The Spanish explorers own diaries and notes about their travels in the Southwest and Great Plains. If they did that 200 years earlier and went east thru Oklahoma then they would've ran into the sizable Caddo Nation. Back then they numbered around 250,000 residing in Eastern Oklahoma, Western Arkansas, East Texas and Western Louisiana. For some reason their numbers rapidly decreased before DeSoto's Expedition came thru Arkansas then continued to drop so numbered well under 10,000 when the Anglo settlers began arriving after 1800.

[@Eriugena8]

why are weirdos in every comment section?

[@Catinthedesert]

Populations plummeted following the introduction of European wild boar carrying diseases by the “explorers” and subsequent epidemics.

[@jeffhildreth9244]

@@billwilson-es5yn Your source?

[@dustintacohands1107]

Bs click bait pic

[@CrazyBear65]

I've been saying that Indigenous Americans were _always here._ The mainstream still stubbornly clings to the inaccurate Berring landbridge theory. If there was migration across the glacier, then it was in _both_ directions.

[@Crossfirev]

Okay so where did humanity start? Cause evolutionarily there must be a start, they could not have been two separate species. For one they couldn't have bred together, and two, this would be shown in genealogy.

[@richarddaigle8777]

They did come from the berring straight, as proven with DNA analysis when compared to natives of the siberian region. There were other people in the Americas before them too, as stated in amerindian culture, but their population dwindled and got exterminated in wars over the span of many centuries. The "natives" are just "colonizers, as most tribes were on the planet at any given time throughout all of human history.

[@bevo65]

"Jalisco, Me-hi-co." Come on, newscasters, it's just stupid.

[@MyLittleGoatMolly]

These are Book of Mormon people.

[@jeffhildreth9244]

That's the laugh of the day. The Book of Mormon was plagiarized from an Up State New York Methodist Preacher. The main thing the Mormons had in contact with the "indians" was stealing babies.

[@NotYoung3592]

But it's still the pottery, hide scrapers, and same-old of what we know of ancient Natives. Nothing new.

[@jeffhildreth9244]

More of it on a grand scale, that is the point.

[@primitivejoe553]

Language, interesting that these news people still say Indians and Tribes at the end, not Native people and nation or state, kinda like they will never be allowed to belong or be equal with that verbiage.

[@Star-u3t1l]

The native people already know their history.

[@dannyrulezd00d]

🇺🇸😊

[@enough1494]

But, we did away with them. Sadly, history is not important in the rhetoric of today! The denial is consuming.

[@Loveroflife5.0.]

There were no bordered back then there was trade all the way down to South America we are all one people North to South

[@alwaysfourfun1671]

There must have been something to be gained by calling the native people "uncivilized, murderous, cutthroat barbarians". Maybe it is a case of "accuse the other of what you are doing yourself"?

[@dennisfahey2379]

There is an absolutely wonderful content in the "Great Courses" series - specifically "Ancient Civilizations of North America". The "New World" was heavily occupied and had numerous cities some that were larger in geographical size and population than the Old World's major ones. European Colonialism redacted or outright destroyed most of them. These were rich cultures with arts, literature (Codices) , sports and very advanced technology. Some more advanced than that of Eastern and Western Cultures of the day. The history books really should be re-written. How can we continue to mis-educate our children? Manifest Destiny was itself a big lie used to justify the unspeakable given that most Native American cultures were in no way "savages".

[@GoodBeets4ME]

So many and so much was lost through the diseases an arrogance of the colonizers.

[@elderinisrael]

Sounds like The Book of Mormon is looking more and more accurate.

[@jeffhildreth9244]

Written by an up state New York preacher and plagiarized by the Mormons,. Do some research, get the facts. Latter Day Saints, one of the greatest frauds in American history.

[@perfectweather]

Defining a really big powwow as an empire is some epic click bait.

[@aprilpark7223]

I guess the Book of Mormon gets more correct every year… not so easy to laugh off anymore.

[@jeffhildreth9244]

Nonsense, pure fiction and suggest you do a through investigation of this true American Cult.

[@Planetsoul420]

Still won’t change the fact that it’s just old crap that means absolutely nothing in 2024 🤷‍♂️

[@josedanielherrera7115]

Remember kids, they didn't know what property was. This is the devil's work, Jesus put those things in the ground to test our faith. Just like the dinosaurs.

[@MrPepeton75]

When gringos realized they arein Mexican land😂