Kaleido 3 Showdown | Onyx Tab Ultra C vs Bigme Inknote Color+

This is a Kaleido 3 Showdown to end them all !
They ARE using the same screen, but the software is a little bit different.
TAB C
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INKNOTE+
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[@ama-tu-an-ki]

Thank you! Would love to see: - battery run times (6300 mAh vs 4000 mAh) -> does it translate to real-life difference - Wacom digitizer vs non-digitizer (for taking notes and drawing) -> big RL difference or not? - sdcard support : support for over 128GB sizes (1TB is now $100USD) -> sdcard difference in read /use speed (multi hundred megabyte DJVU/PDF files) - Making / exporting notes to epub (laboursome!) / PDF / DJVU - Viewing zooming coloured charts, graphs, diagrams (not photos, not videos, not manga) -> can they replace a TFT/LCD/AMOLED tablet for viewing technical documents, or does one still have to lug around iPad/Samsung Tab? You are the best channel on eBook Readers, thanks for all the content throughout the years. For many of your viewers, none of these devices are available locally for testing, so it's purely mail order blindly (based on your reviews) from abroad with plenty of extra costs + VAT + taxes.

[@kevinisawake]

We need a SOFTWARE showdown for these two products.

[@electrolove9538]

Peter your enthusiasm is infectious!

[@SandorLau]

Love your reviews. Thank you for so much quality effort.

[@CC39]

Tried both brands. Boox has done so much more in developing on software than Bigme, from features, usability; to refreshing algorithms and language supports. Bigme had been very ambiguous on adopting new hardware technology but Boox made the equilibrium so appropriately. I admire how strived Bigme had been and look forward to it catches up and be a positive competition.

[@BrianHallmond]

Thanks for sharing this. I have a Boox mini C and just got this Bigme... I find the comic experience on the Boox is far superior. I want to return the Bigme now. I had high hopes.

[@HashemRC]

Great comparisons, specially you mentioned their screen is exactly same. thanks.

[@TheIdosimon]

I love the writing feeling and flatness of the remarkable 2 (which has replaced notebooks for me), however for me color and depth of notes are lacking. The bigme looks super attractive from that perspective (and also the app layouts), but the ultra c looks like it has better note taking in terms of shapes etc.. Which one would you recommend?

[@user-gl3zc1bl7x]

Wonder if the slight color difference is an optical illusion from the white Bessel. 😅

[@k1naderi868]

Is there screen protection you recommend for the Onyx Tab Ultra C that makes note-taking feel closer to Bigme or Remarkable?

[@khamisa.5384]

Great video indeed. Maybe they are the best colour E ink ereaders so far. But which one do you recommend more for the best reading experience?

[@vivvily]

Does the cover neutralise the camera bump? My main use will be notetaking and the rocking camera bump seems like a pretty big problem...

[@KarelGuzman-Lumetrics]

Nice comparison, video; one question how about the battery life for the Ultra C?

[@salilkumar7831]

12 hrs continuous use

[@gurdeepgss]

in these e readers do you have functionality, where in you can open a large 1000 page pdf and write on it using the pencil?

[@visualwriter]

Amazing review super high quality.

[@knowgrowwithdr.k4390]

I can't figure out how to copy a page or a picture on Bigme other than exporting it! This is easily done on the Onyx boox with specific copy tab/function! Would you please comment on that? Thanks!

[@MrHappyZorro]

I have the BigMe. They have been good about pushing updates. It's form factor has made it my go-to buddy work notetaking at work.

[@learningcheme]

How is your bigme device for watching videos? Does it heat if we watch videos for hours?

[@MrHappyZorro]

@learningcheme I can watch videos? Gonna have to try that.

[@learningcheme]

@@MrHappyZorro please let me know if it heats if we watch KZbin videos for more than hour or so. Thanks in advance

[@jub8891]

if regular eink has a maximum refresh count of a million refreshes until they start to degrade, are color einks also subject to those limitations?

[@buttsbrown2442]

In Kaleido's case, I'd have to assume so, since it's the same technology (b&w cells moving around, but under a color filter). Gallery 3 might suffer a worse strain, because it has four different ink colors it's juggling in more precise ways.

[@khamisa.5384]

Hope to see the comparison of speed and ghosting performance on these two devices in the next video. That is a thing many of the falks have been waiting for!

[@dryiceliu6922]

Yeah me too. I’ve been eyeing the Bigme for it’s 4g support and non-bump 2 cameras , but couldn’t decide cause so many people saying it’s slower than boox. Thanks!

[@user-fp2rb5ow9j]

@@dryiceliu6922 Me too, looking forward to comparing videos

[@DarthSida]

I had both, and Bigme is slower than boox. Bigme has better performance in gradients (when you use 256HD) vs. boox, but boox has better ghosting management and is faster than bigme.

[@nexcoyotlprograming8385]

Hi thanks for your post, great comparative. I have some due, can you tell me if onyx and Bigme devices are certificate by Google Play Protect? I think buy any of this devices. Thanks, regards.

[@baltgames1]

Onyx is faster with less ghosting. It wasn't showed. But its fact.

[@CC39]

It's because of Onyx's panel refreshing algorithms.

[@HebrewGreekKnowledge]

Yeah its pretty sad but not surprising that they literally ignored the biggest difference between the devices.

[@elevenjasion2]

@@HebrewGreekKnowledge well goodereader kinda works with bigme to sell devices, of course they have to say nice things about bigme

[@navidanwar6821]

The e ink center window, menu should be smaller on onyx and even on bigme more smaller so the screen is visible behind for better settings preview

[@memori365]

Will there still be a camera bump even if Ultra Tab C has a case? I’m getting close to getting Ultra Tab C. No rush though. If it goes out of stock then I’ll wait for a restock. I have Kobo Libra 2 but I also want to buy Kindle ebooks and epubs. The size (10.3 inches) seems to be just right for me. Not too big as the 12.9 iPad Pro (which I don’t want to use for reading) or smaller than Libra 2 (7 inches). It will be a bonus to have a paper-like writing experience. Otherwise, not an absolute deal breaker. I’m excited to spend more time reading than watching videos (except the ones I really like, like ereader reviews 😊). The price though. It’s more expensive in Canadian dollars 😅.

[@slydog7131]

The cases eliminate the camera bump.

[@BrianHallmond]

I got a Boox Mini C last week. Got the Bigme inknote color plus today. For Comics I find the image and refresh ease of use on the Boox to absolutely crush the bigme. Which sucks, I had high hopes for the bigme with it's form factor and writtng feel. I hope I can return the Bigme. I mainly wanted the 10" display for comics. But I've grown to love comics on my Mini C anyway.

[@JayneAFK]

I've been looking at the Tab Mini C for the past week, and now it looks like the Bigme S6 Color+ has recently released, which - like the boox equivalent - also has a K3 screen. Bigme is about £70 cheaper than the boox, has 128gb internal storage and has expandable storage, but I'm very concerned about software. Boox seems much more polished and user friendly right now, and seems to have better screen refresh, handles colour out of the box better, etc. So I'm wondering, do you find the 64gb limit of the Boox Mini C to be problematic at all, or is it manageable? Would you say the boox mini c is worth the extra £70? Also been super tempted to just go all out with the boox tab ultra c, but that's eye wateringly expensive, especially as this will be my first purchase of a device of this type so idek know how much I'll enjoy it just yet lol.

[@p.c.h.6721]

I would go for the Tab Ultra C, I think it’s worth the money and you won’t have to second guess if you have the best device in the market. I’m about to buy the Tab Ultra C after a week of research, it will be my first device of this kind.

[@FemboyUwU88]

@@p.c.h.6721 I'm also about to buy Tab Ultra, but I'm hesitating about the screen surface. I've got an idea of buing e-ink tablet after touching my groupmate's Boox Note Air 2 Plus and was thinking of buying the same but decided the colors would really come in handy, however it is said that Tab Ultra does not have this paper-likeness which I find quite pleasing. Could you share your own expirience of screen interaction?

[@p.c.h.6721]

@@FemboyUwU88 Hey, these are the issues that I have with the Tab Ultra C. No software updates, no security patches updates, so the device is not that safe (I guess even with that, it should be OK as long as you use a secure WiFi.) Maybe at some point they will have updates for the device, but I understand that these E-Readers are mainly built to read and write, no necessarily to go online, but that’s one of the main reasons why I want buy one (I haven’t pulled the trigger yet.) The screen is a bit dark, if you’re indoors chances are you’ll need to use the front light, which sucks the battery life, but I still think you’ll be able to use it for long periods of time without charging it (the regular Tab Ultra, no color, has a brighter front screen, so no need for the front light, therefore longer battery life, but I like to have Color.) Some people have reported that the Tab Ultra C has an edge that is a bit too sharp, so when you hold it with your fingers you can feel that sharp edge and it’s not nice, it won’t cut your fingers but it’s not nice (maybe some people have sensitive fingers,) but you can buy a protective cover for the edges in case you feel the same problem when you hold it with your fingers/hands. I’ve heard about the screen not having a great paper feel, but once you try it if you can’t get used to how it feels when you’re writing something, you can buy a screen protector that has a paper feeling when you write. I’ve seen a video of guy that bought that screen paper like protector and when he tested it he said that it felt great, so there is a solution for that problem just in case you don’t like the feel of it when you write on the screen. Other than these issues everything else seems perfect, for sure better than any other device on the market. I’m hesitating to be honest, should I buy it now or wait till next year when they hopefully improve or solve some of these issues.... I’ve just bought a Samsung Galaxy Tab S9 Ultra, I could survive with the Samsung tablet for another year but I still need the Tab Ultra C so I can use both at the same time and save time. We will see, I like the Tab Ultra C a lot, finally they seem to have come up with an E-Reader, E-Note taking that you can also use to go online, and you can also use all the google play apps (I wouldn’t have considered buy one of these devices up to know. I like to read but I like books much better than reading on a screen.) Anyway, hope that help a little bit, none of those issues are dealbreakers imo.

[@angal26]

The camera bump on the Tab Ultra C looks so much less elegant compared to the Bigme. Bigme has shown that one can still have a camera (2 in fact) and not a bump..

[@lialkalo4093]

I was thinking about getting a tablet for note-taking, like the remarkable2, note air plus 2, or the tab ultra c. and this video was definitely good to see how some of these e-readers/note-tablets compare against each other. however, I just looked up the prices of the two tablets you are featuring here and I wonder, if these things are even worth it. could you comment on why one should/could choose a device like the bigme (or the tab ultra c) over a "real" tablet like the samsung galaxy tab s8? since they are in a similar price range (~$600-700), I don't see why the tab s8 should be inferior.

[@MarianoPerez]

I had a similar question but between an ereader and an ipad mini. I read a lot so for me the ereader was better because it was less strain on my eyes and the battery life. However, I do have an s8 tab ultra and it so good and fast for multi tasking that I wouldn't trade it for these devices. The writing experience on the s8 is amazing too. I'd only consider these devices if your eyes need the rest or if you'll use them primarily or exclusively for writing.

[@p.c.h.6721]

@@MarianoPerez I have a Samsung Tab S9 Ultra and it’s so good, BUT I’m still going to buy the Tab Ultra C so I can use both right next to each other, and as you very well mentioned I will use the Tab Ultra C mainly to read & write, keep notes, scan documents, I love how portable they are....

[@WayneMan88]

Does the GPU of the Boox make no realistic performance in real terms ?

[@sayakahc]

Hi! Does Bigme inknote color + works with general Wacom pen when taking a note? Thank you.

[@goodereader]

Yes

[@sayakahc]

Thank you so much. Have a wonderful day!

[@magdalenahansche6150]

Ain't there a device with all Android, BT and GPS (for navigation)?

[@FelixGaunt]

The gradient is so much better on the Bigme.

[@matthewscheid379]

Battery test?

[@hertzh]

Thanks

[@sebsuch]

Howard about scan ?

[@diepost0318]

I dont know if its just me but I think the bigme has a lighter background

[@saiksaikatai594]

is it good or bad?

[@DarthSida]

Thanks for the video, but you didnt show one of the most important differences between them and that is the speed of the devices in self and the ghosting performance in different modes (2gb nore ram in bigme vs dedicated gpu in Onyx). The reader I don't know why you still doesn't use the default one becaouse is the only one you can set a lot of thing and can change the whole experience reading in the device (refresh, ghosting, anotations, filters, library, etc...). The last thing to me the test you should be do with the recomended settings of the devices and not 0 in all because the calibrations of the screens is different, so the default settings or recommended settings should be better because is hiw the brand want you use the device.

[@goodereader]

Can't win Thank you :)

[@DarthSida]

@Good e-Reader is not about that, are things you can do to improve in some test when you compare 2 different devices and specifically when those devices are similar and the software plays a big role 😉. I have the bigme and that's why I indicated the recommended settings because for what I can tell in the video the recommended settings in bigme is 2/100/0 and that gives you the "best image quality" or what the brand think is the best for they calibration. In Onyx is 30/0/0 for some reason, so I don't know how the vivid enchantment affects the default settings or things like that...any way, are only thoughts you can improve that's it 😉.

[@kevinisawake]

@@goodereader HAhahahaha - indeed. People always want more without noticing how much time it takes you to do all that. Good review.

[@HebrewGreekKnowledge]

Yes, Failing to talk about literally the most important and biggest difference between the two devices is definitely not a win.

[@DarthSida]

@KevinIsAwake If you do a review but do not have enough time to talk about the real difference between them, then I don't know why you do the review vs. then...

[@simongordon8182]

Seems like you’re saying that boox adding the gpu and having 4g not 6g or memory means it’s not better on screen performance…

[@goodereader]

Unless you have these things under a microscope.. to the average person, and the fair weather enthusiast.. these are the exact same things They perform identically, look identical, and do the same things with the same amount of functionality

[@dittdattdott]

@@goodereader From what I've checked myself, the Tab Ultra C uses a Snapdragon 665 with an Adreno 610 while the Inknote Color+ uses a Helio P35. The Snapdragon 665 has almost double the performance of the Helio P35 so saying the performance is the same is simplifying it too much, no?

[@rokko_hates_japan]

@@dittdattdott this is the info I was hoping to find. It's so difficult to find what SOC these e-ink devices run! the marketing is purposefully obtuse and vague in this regard.

[@luisim554]

​@@dittdattdott so in this case the Onyx tablet is superior in power, right? Compared to Kaleido 3

[@navidanwar6821]

Hmm Nice review Bigme ... stylus is nice, writing feel is nice, hd265 with smooth gradient wins UI ... I dunno Other than that onyx is also good

[@eglencekanal1239]

Bigme looks whiter, onyx looks greyer

[@mattbrown8314]

But the prices differ! Why not speak about that?

[@goodereader]

Because they're made from different companies

[@mattbrown8314]

@Good e-Reader I knew that already. So we should go for the Onyx being they are nearly identical devices. There are no perks for the extra $100 on Bigme.

[@kevinisawake]

@@mattbrown8314 Just buy the cheaper version. The stylus on Bigme looks better with the buttons tho.

[@khamisa.5384]

Should Bigme consider lowering the price after competitive Onyx showed they are offering the same quality for a less price

[@GyariSan1]

I'll grab one when they figure out a way to saturate the washed out colours

[@deniskarasev8023]

they did, it's called The Galy😀😀

[@goodereader]

Correct, which we actually made ourselves in collaboration with bigme

[@thebuildreview]

I purchased a Boox Tab Ulta C, it is indeed like many say going back to the 90's. For me the technology is still not mature enough and not usable as a daily business device. It's just too slow and the notes feature doesn't work with any other App. I personally would wait until this tech catches up with modern devices. I tried to return mine but Onyx were very difficult to deal with and kept on changeover the refined cost. I think I will wait for the technology to mature a lot more before considering this style of device again.

[@goodereader]

uhh okay there

[@davidtetteh465]

Good review, descerning viewers will be able to filter out the slight bias towards Bigme and make an informed decision.

[@goodereader]

We have no idea what you're talking about. There is no bias. We are not in bed with any company. Good e reader is its own entity and is not a partner of any other brand, nor are we sponsored by any brand

[@rommelhyper3545]

very close game, but Onyx has the edge on the richer colors, bigme looks washed out a little. but a great comparison anyway.

[@rush48192]

Yeah if you like writing on an ipad buy the ipad

[@RenaissanceEarCandy]

Bigme sounds almost exactly like bigamy, the act of being married to two people at once. What on earth were they thinking?

[@goodereader]

uhh, no it doesnt. "Bigg-mee" BIG and then ME. -_-

[@bovineox1111]

Woah, woah, woah.... You used a neutral stylus and not the ones that are designed for the device???? I think that's bogus. I appreciate other styluses should be compatible but you're now testing how that stylus works with these devices which could be very different.

[@goodereader]

You're a little bit uninformed, the internals of the pen are the exact same thing purchased from the exact same place. All pens are purchased from Wacom Just like all the screens are purchased from eink And the tips are the exact same things from Wacom So no, it is not "bogus" and there is no "compatibility" issue. Thanks

[@kevinisawake]

@@goodereader You are Correct - however a comparison of the actual Styluses would have been nice since they are very different in features before removing them from the test and using a neutral stylus for fairness.

[@saiksaikatai594]

@@kevinisawake you both have good points. my question, can we use the bigme stylus on the boox ultra C pro screen?

[@macusermdm]

I have a hard time viewing anything said here as unbiased

[@goodereader]

but it is unbiased. I have no idea why you would think either one had anything to do with us

[@nxel2]

Wrd are you talking dude? Just bec you've a thing going with bigme don't try to fool people. Onyx screen looks better, we can see it.

[@goodereader]

We do not have a thing going with big me. No one pays us for reviews And we've been in the industry for 14 years and have handled nearly a thousand devices Thank you