I TROLLED my Friends with a SECRET "No Hands" Shortcut Track!

[@fredrikharaldsson]

From my perspective as a game developer I suspect that it might be that more players to simulate = slightly different (lower) framerate on the server = different physics simulation. When you play by yourself it's likely quite consistent.

[@WeaselDev]

Physics in Unity are not framerate dependant tho. And unless they are poorly networked, sending them shouldn't change that.

[@fiets38]

Aye, non-deterministic physics will do that to a simulation. It's totally fine for regular gameplay, but when building no-input tracks you very quickly run into the butterfly effect.

[@WeaselDev]

@@fiets38 I'm pretty sure Unity supports Havok tho. They should probably try to switch to that for a multiplayer physic based racing game x)

[@ИльяВитцев]

It's still mostly the nondeterministic physics. In TM if you do the same thing, you'll get the exact same result each time, multiplayer or not.

[@fiets38]

@@WeaselDev Unity Havok only works in 2019+ and when using DOTS, so not with regular Unity GameObjects. (Which is pretty typical for unity, adding new features that don't work with existing projects). Zeepkist has been in development since 2018 and just uses regular gameobjects. Converting everything to 2019+ DOTS Havok would be about as much work as just making a new game entirely 😵

[@jackmorphew223]

Kan built a map to troll his friends, and the map ended up trolling Kan

[@MelanieCaudill-dl3jd]

He shall never beat dapper.

[@loganshaw4527]

Never tell your friends about the troll.

[@suicidalbanananana]

"zeep kist" sounds awesome in English haha, and it literally means "soap box" in Dutch :) Looks like a fun game!!

[@racoongodslayer8883]

GEKOLONISEERD!

[@captainsnekk]

GEKOLONISEERD!

[@ShinyKitten00]

GEKOLONISEERD!

[@netfox9855]

GEKOLONISEERD!

[@cordyluscataphractus5863]

GEKOLONISEERD!!

[@JorneDeSmedt]

So this is where the cheese began...

[@JosephZacherl]

yup, and it wasn't even dappers idea.

[@FUGP72]

This is the day Dapper realize he could create cheese. It's all kAN's fault!

[@kh4i2h4r3]

uh i think the shortcut doesnt work because the starting speed is not the same??? in singleplayer mode you got boosted to 177 but in multiplayer mode you only got boosted till 175. thats the only thing i think that screws up your shortcut

[@nightcrawlerau919]

Good pickup!

[@bradjones7491]

yeah it's because of the network lag not applying the boost for the same duration.

[@superspider64]

that's so weird how going multiplayer ruined the Hands Off track, maybe it's a latency issue or they changed the physics around slightly

[@kANGaming]

Apparently its just because unity ties the physics into the frame rate and the frame rate changes slightly in multiplayer. Not sure if this is true though but its a supposed normal unity problem.

[@superspider64]

@@kANGaming ah y'know what that sounds reasonable

[@DigitalJedi]

@@kANGaming Yeah that sounds like unity. Frame based physics was so annoying for me to work with I actually switched over to bullet physics and unreal engine 5 (same as rocket league) for my projects.

[@RealPanzer999]

@@kANGaming It does however as far as I'm aware you can change this manually.

[@jblock9675]

@@kANGaming as far as I know unity calculates the physics 60 times per second regardless of the framerate exactly for this kind of issue. I would guess that on a server they might have lowered it to like 30 or something like that in order to ease on the server

[@racoongodslayer8883]

zeepkist is dutch for soapchest (litteraly) but its meant more like a soapbox also: GEKOLONISEERD!

[@coltonbrammer1156]

I love seeing your videos pop up. Favorite creator on KZbin.

[@justafoon]

Amen brother

[@HD2-01]

Indeed

[@ethanrichardson730]

Even better when you see the track pop up on the steam workshop and know there’s a video inbound

[@felix-alexandreaubert2503]

You landed left as your car did the revers halfpipe in the beginning. I think all you needed to do was to go a little bit on the right at the beginning or as you are on the half pipe (left for the car on the half pipe). That would allow you to go higher on the wall and then catch more air on the jump to make it to the hammers!

[@Friendly_Neighborhood_Dozer]

Just a tap to the left on the end of the half pipe

[@prohunter717]

I guess this is a lesson to test the track out in a live setting with an accomplice beforehand.

[@loganshaw4527]

Need a friends help to test mutiplayer.

[@Muziek37414]

Another Dutch dev, zeep (soap) kist (box)

[@racoongodslayer8883]

eigenlijk is het het chest he maar: GEKOLONISEERD!

[@scuderiasimp]

Zeepkist is Dutch for soapbox lmao

[@sebastianmaxg9265]

I love his attempt to pronounce it

[@sebastianmaxg9265]

@@brandonvdongen very true

[@racoongodslayer8883]

he jongens GEKOLONISEERD!

[@DETHdressedInRED]

YES KAN! Please more of these buddy! I saw this on Kosmo's channel and I was like oh this game looks really fun..... Completely had no idea that you could do this kinda stuff with it. I had two really nice computers, one for gaming and one for important things like bills taxes expenses income savings and stocks including work and school docs, until about a year and a half ago when I pushed my PC for gaming too far and uh... I may have melted my PC... The bad thing is that I had it built kinda weird and custom and the fan actually stopped automatically when the PC did an overhead shutdown so.... It just kept melting... And melting... And bam today I have no gaming PC. :D? Please play this game more since I can't lol.

[@Krokmaniak]

Kan: I'm gonna troll my friends Game: No you don't

[@loganshaw4527]

Ya he barely can do his troll 50% of the time in single player. That lowered to 0.5% in mutiplayer. He could not do the chess in only 10 mins even if he could repeat the track a 100 times in 10min. He needed 20mins to troll his friends.

[@Adamtiger7113]

The funny thing about it is that look at the first place and second place time KAn needed just one second

[@Dan_Gyros]

Take a shot every time kan says non-deterministic physics

[@coltonbrammer1156]

Kan what's your favorite game to play with your friends?

[@quintennoordanus2631]

I smell some dutch in the name of the game😂🇳🇱

[@racoongodslayer8883]

GEKOLONISEERD!

[@philippaul2270]

i feel like this is the villain origin story for dapper

[@ch4.hayabusa]

The sandbox cart was very different from yours, it seemed less aero dynamic but more powerful. It might make sense that multi player carts have lower polygon counts.

[@keepironman14]

You might try a tiny bit of left turning after the checkpoint, should give a bit more height over the tree.

[@MadMikael]

So this is where it began... who'd have thought that you'd befriend the dev of this game and invite him to your wedding?

[@B_Poort]

Early squad:))) Btw, dutch dood here, you pronounce the title like: saypkist

[@kANGaming]

I figured I was pronouncing it wrong lol

[@aklhys4545]

it litterally translates to soap box btw (also dutch dood here)

[@B_Poort]

@@kANGaming lol

[@RealPanzer999]

Very similar to the german word for soapbox.

[@ihavenoideadanny]

Buddy KaN forgot to link the friends he played with!

[@ChelseaBrownBlatchford]

This inspired me to make my own box car

[@captainsnekk]

Fun fact Zeepkist means soapbox in dutch

[@aliserry9998]

This is what started it

[@elijahluna7843]

Kan you’ve helped me through a lot of sleepless nights

[@ManicObsevations]

He disguised the red ramp by adding another ramp as a prop

[@levenloos6861]

*Zeepkist* means Soapbox in English so thats a cool addition.

[@trevormartin9493]

the starting position could be slightly off in multiplayer

[@stolasamon-seere5319]

Now that you know the game better I think you should try this again, only on a new track where they aren't expecting it.

[@_blood_moon_proto_1500]

you know, i think you would be an amazing PF trackmania map maker, i kinda wanna see a vid of you with trackmania

[@edwardd1224]

My best guess is that you are now sharing the random numbers with everyone else so the seed/table may be the same but now the number are shared among more players

[@RobertJackson-vc9rk]

Kan, the reason it worked earlier is because you was using a different vehicle.

[@tinkavandergaarden6746]

‘Zeepkist’ is literally ‘soapbox’ in dutch. (Soap=zeep, box=kist)

[@cheesywaffle6761]

Its so wierd hearing you say zeep kist

[@jeffnpatricia]

Scrap man fan, but you have had awesome episodes on the evolve series.

[@DeathxStrike18]

The problem is the latancy check so your position is being checked for variations between the other players and the server so in single player you dont have this delay in the physics.

[@danejones7051]

holy crap thats amazing

[@karmicknight]

I don't see how the lack of deterministic physics is a bonus for a racing game or any game for that matter, the lack of it kind of ruined the punch to this otherwise hilarious video.

[@bigblob8488]

Yeah you can see the speed difference on the first starting straight. Single player you were going 177, multiplayer only 175.

[@twanboltze8196]

Zeepkist looks dutch, probably pronounced like zeypkist

[@racoongodslayer8883]

ziepkist lol (voor alle nederlanders er staat ook bouw op dat helmpie) (for all english people his hat says bouw wich is dutch for build)

[@FrenkMeesters]

Zeepkist is soapbox in dutch !😎

[@tvh4260]

A Dutch game, let's goo

[@jacobbaker3746]

Good job bro

[@Pallidum]

So, this is the origin story. 😂

[@Glitch7D]

I actually in trackmania fastest way only so I had to see this

[@RoelNicky]

Hi Kan, long time watcher, Zeepkist is Dutch for Soapbox, actually the Dutch E sounds more like an English A without th "i" sound in the end , so try to pronounce ZAAPKIST ;)

[@RestartedRio]

Me: about to comment that he said zeepkist wrong Me: realizes that this video was like 5 mnths ago

[@jasper8941]

Zeepkist means soapbox in Dutch.

[@Trizzer89]

How does everybody turn so smoothly? I'm going left and right all over the place. And I know a bunch of these guys use keyboard

[@samanthahebermehl5125]

You are too kind to me 😂😊

[@ricvanesh9445]

from tech-bystander point of view here the game seemed slower/ slushier when Kan went multiplayer, I wonder if increased assets and players would make a more "mellowy" gameplay , cause it seems like there is no problem with the framerates but there are obvious discrepency btwn solo runs an multi. and it looks like a new kind of calculations for a game (like a TABS one)

[@bradjones7491]

the render framerate is consistent, but that doesn't mean the engine framerates are. What's happening is likely the network is skipping some physics update loops.

[@bluesquid1161]

The moment you said best racing game, eh I don’t think so I play track mania. And then you compared it to it

[@randomscpguard7810]

Maby you all can try to test one track for multiplayer purposes

[@RobertJackson-vc9rk]

You used the test car that's black with yellow checker on it

[@vicurro]

Your voice sounds deeper on scrapman's channel for some reason.

[@Skenjin]

Who is Dr. Jongy Brongen? I don't see anyone of that name in your later recordings.

[@poloice2402]

It could be the cart

[@SpikeOwO7155]

zeepkist is netherlands for soapbox.

[@cyandoggo7613]

WHERES THE NEXT FRIKEN SCRAP MECHANIC CO-OP

[@akakscase]

Watching the replay, you are coming off the starting boosts about 3-7 mph slower making the jump highly Likely to fail.

[@donutboy1382]

fyi the name zeepkist actualy means soapbox in dutch

[@shaggy5885]

Try moving the tree Ik it’s not a issue but it seems like you hitting the tree more then you landing an sliding

[@lepels]

I bet someone has already commented this, but "zeep" is pronounced more like "zayp", where the "ee" is pronounced like the ay in "bay", so bayp - zayp. Kist sounds totally normal! I have the same issue with my name, which is the Dutch word for spoon. Everyone calls me "le-pel" as if it's French, while it's acually "lay-pel".

[@slayerprayer8988]

Jeez 10 minutes ago didn't see that until 5 minutes into the video, wow I'm blind.

[@ItsMe-fd4pe]

ready player one

[@warrior3456_]

neat

[@Infamouspixie70]

So it's from dutch developers?

[@thomb.9013]

Isn't zeepkist litteraly the Dutch word for soapbox?

[@peppy5121]

Yes

[@thomb.9013]

@@peppy5121 it's always funny when non Dutch people try to pronounce Dutch words lmao

[@racoongodslayer8883]

jep GEKOLONISEERD!

[@lucasjansen4019]

This name is from the game is from the Netherlands

[@troglodyte968]

Kan what is your computer setup

[@troglodyte968]

I must know

[@triplefire9734]

SoPe BoX

[@apersunthathasaridiculousl1890]

zeepeeki

[@onerxowns2202]

Leanr NOT TO BUILD tracks with tight near misses, it may NEVER WORK for you

[@liamdesmet1935]

it is from the nederlands

[@FN_tech_R]

Zeep kist is dutch

[@bapmz3723]

Ayo Kosmo played this first check out his video

[@rot4411]

Poggers

[@Opaelyx]

the physics inconsistancies can be fixed by moving the physics based calculations from {}Update to {}FixedUpdate btw; for yall developers out there

[@jekanyika]

*Automatico*

[@Xeit]

Tbh dev should rewrite code for physics. At least part of it to be more deterministic. Why? Because it sucks in game like this.

[@adventuresinfarterspace6730]

Second

[@Jerina8]

5 hours ago

[@jackrussellthevrgamer4209]

53 minutes ago

[@TaimurAhmedRafe]

Please play rocket league kan Please

[@troglodyte968]

And third

[@mikeharrison5578]

Can I play

[@wyvern2758]

11th comment?

[@navtajsooch]

Bro why don't u guys just play rocket league that game has been mentioned so much in the vides for years now

[@benschannel1181]

Are you copy dapper

[@cardboardarmory4120]

First

[@racoongodslayer8883]

people who say first are almost never first

[@loczaczix]

Making a racing game that is Not deterministic is the worst thing developer can do... Immedietly lost all interest as a serious trackmania player.

[@THESLlCK]

I actually really hate the RNG. You should be able to turn it off.

[@samgu3750]

a physics based game with non-deterministic physics is either the premise of this game or a VERY BIG NO NO.

[@Poldovico]

Couldn't do it in Unity until the dev was already well on his way, and retrofitting it now would be basically as much work as starting over. Game's still a massive, resounding YES though.

[@conrrr]

Can't understand why you'd make a game like this, deterministic is the future

[@Poldovico]

@@conrrr Because it's a pain in the behind to do and in most scenarios it does not matter. Where it does make a difference, it's great, but that's a minority of games.

[@bradjones7491]

@@conrrr most games aren't scientifically accurate, most games use non deterministic physics, and most dynamic physics solutions for game engines are nondeterministic. The thing is even if you use deterministic physics the second you introduce an non deterministic factor into it, such as player input, the entire thing becomes non deterministic.

[@basedeltazero714]

Ah, so they made Bad Rats into a racing game.

[@troglodyte968]

Second

[@troglodyte968]

First

[@racoongodslayer8883]

people who say first are almost never first

[@troglodyte968]

@@racoongodslayer8883 Yep

[@racoongodslayer8883]

@@troglodyte968 lol