2 STROKE VINTAGE MX AT DAYTONA BIKE WEEK 2023

[@Drivehead103]

50 years later the little Elsie is still kicking ass! Long live the 1974 Honda CR125 Elsinore. Nothing has ever impacted the Motocross scene as much as the Honda Elsinore. I love Daytona Beach and dirt bikes would be icing on the cake!

[@drgruber57]

I remember taking my ported RM125 to a local track in So. Cal. in the 1980s. Guys were practicing holeshots and I lined up with an Elsinore 125 a few times. He just blew me away.

[@michellepatrick5175]

Back in 77 I was in high school,mom and said if I got straight A's they would buy me a bike,I was a C&D student. I got all A's and 1 B. It was close enuff and I got a 75 CR 125.

[@Drivehead103]

@@michellepatrick5175 after I got a dirt bike my parents used it as a motivation tool! That's how I learned multiplication, would have to recite some before I got to ride.

[@blacklight4460]

No doubt! RIP to the great Marty Smith.

[@stuartmcmillan8042]

Mass produced only good for wall hanger

[@drgruber57]

I have a Husky 250cr like the leader there. Thanks for bringing us some footage of these vintage bike races that we probably wouldn't see otherwise.

[@AmpAHolic-wn6mr]

Mr Kaplan, I gotta tell you I had a tear in my eye after watching this. I grew up in this era of motocross and remember these bikes well. My hero was Roger De Coster. Glad to have found your channel. There’s always something exciting to watch. Hope to make it up to Kaplan Cycles someday.

[@countermoonman]

Great comment, I’m 65 and I too grew up in that era, the late 60’s, the early to mid 70’s were my favorite yrs. I live in Southern California and riding and racing motocross through those yrs were a blast, me & all my friends always wanted to be Brad Lackey, growing up we all had posters of Brad Lackey on his CZ and Husky, Rodger DeCoster, Joel Robert on their Suzuki’s, Jim Pomeroy on his Bultaco, Bengt Aberg & Heikki Mikkola on Husky’s and Ake Jonson on that beast Maico, I remember watching all the greats race here in So. Cal. At Saddleback raceway and at the famed Carlsbad racetrack, fond great memories in deed, cheers 🍻 to ya! 😎🇺🇸✌️

[@fooliganvlogs]

Looks like an absolute blast 💥 Great vid!

[@davejohnson607]

Man those bikes bring back great memories. Thanks.

[@KaplanCycles]

You bet!

[@rhllnm]

Such a great variety of bikes back in the 60s - CZ, Penton, Sachs, Husky, Suzuki, Hodaka. The sound of compression release and the smell of Castrol.

[@tonylively579]

Love the vintage MX Class Thanks for posting. It was great you went down the line to highlight all those classic bikes.

[@KaplanCycles]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@TC-eo5eb]

A blast from the past. I raced a 1974 Yamaha 125 MX in 1975 and then upgraded to a 1975 YZ 125 monoshock for the 1976 season. In 1979 I raced a Yamaha 400 YZ. There is no better aroma than the exhaust of a 2 stroke engine burning Klotz oil.

[@santiagobenites]

Major respect to all of those guys who've kept these beautiful machines looking and running so good! These are the bikes that paved the way for what's being raced by the pro's now, and they all deserve a little love.

[@minnesotatomcat]

Very cool! I grew up on a 1973 Yamaha enduro, my first taste of true freedom as a hillbilly kid in the middle of nowhere 👍

[@pbmachines972]

Nothing better than seeing all the old cool bikes👍🏻thanks ✌️🇺🇸

[@garettbodel3002]

Oh my God thank you so much chaplain Ken. Senior. To see these machines ready to race oh my God awesome job. I know it take forever and a lot of guys wouldn't want you to do it go through the pit before they get ready to hit the gate and get like five minutes from every one of the guys. Telling what's going on with the. . You definitely found your Nirvana you have the museum and. Now you have KZbin as a platform to really send it. Loyal subscriber love the old bikes. . The CCM museum you went to was amazing. I hear they're trying to open up a shop in the States you should be a dealer you would be the perfect guy for that

[@stevendaleschmitt]

Three cheers for the riders who are older than their bikes!

[@kevinlong2074]

Three more motos I don't know who is more blessed this old man or the rest of the world to have someone like him in our world

[@2shoestoo]

This is when I grew up. I had a Husqvarna 250 WR what a great bike and a great time in life when things were normal.

[@jeremybrooks5553]

Oh my God , that is my childhood memories of the vintage Husqvarna, awesome Ken , thank you my friend

[@KaplanCycles]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@B-Rad412]

I raced the first 2 Daytona vintage days all my buddies went this year I was so bummed I couldn't go it is so so so so fun an absolute blast💥💥💥💥

[@handgunner1911]

2 strokes are the best hands down they need to keep making them

[@MitzvosGolem1]

I had Husqvarna 250 and 360 back then. Perfect bikes . Miss those Swede Husqvarna

[@bps7209]

Old cool guys on great bikes of yesterday! Love it! The CZ looked really sweet!!! Ah…not a win….. but 🤷🏻‍♂️still pretty.

[@eloiseharbeson2483]

They were so cool. Czechoslovakia was still behind the iron curtain so they sold the bike with a year's worth of spare parts. I rode a friend's 360 once and could not keep the front wheel on the ground.

[@bobleblanc6653]

Brings back memories...had a 250cr husky..many bumps and bruises at " the bombing range" east of Denver in the late 70s

[@PETERNESS]

mid 1980s i had the priveledge of riding with a true American legend here in Australia ,say hello to Jimmy Ellis,i feel that there is a whole lot of legends right there at Daytona ,OUTSTANDING

[@rideon1956]

Go Cam Am with Jimmy racing that bike

[@rideon1956]

Make that Can Am lol dam spell check

[@PETERNESS]

@@rideon1956 he was over here to race in the Finke desert race on a fully sponsored ktm495 through Bert Flood ,the bike he rode the day we went riding was a RM250D,what a true legend,Floods gave him a second hand Suzuki to go trail riding with a few of us and a couple mechanics and he owned each and every one of us ,your left shaking your head at how damm fast he can ride through the scrub ,that poor RM it copped a flogging

[@rideon1956]

@@PETERNESSHe came to the states mid late 70's and raced here in So Cal, we all loved him

[@EarthSurferUSA]

So many Legends,---we can't remember them all. lol It kinda reduces the impact of the word, so now we have have different "Legends" societal classes and add "He is one of the best Legends EVER!!!" Ohhh Jeeeezzzz. Glad I am old.

[@davidsnyder2000]

Sorry to comment so much, but I remember back in the late 70’s, then 80’s the 2 stroke Kawasaki’s, Honda’s, Yammaha’s and Susuki’s in the upper Northern States of the US. I always rode a Kawasaki. My first bike at 16yrs old was a Kawasaki KX 80. It was a tank compared to today’s bikes but I loved it👍

[@keithfenwick5502]

Great job everyone out there, stunning bikes god bless E Ks pants 🍀👍🙏

[@hugejohnson5011]

We lost a local vintage bike guy fairly recently. Maybe you've even been to his museum in Massachusetts? Hollerich is his last name, and he has hosted some awesome vintage meets at his farm/museum. Dick Burleson and other past professional riders in attendance. Thank you for posting this, I wouldn't get to see it otherwise. It's been many moons since I've been to Daytona for bike week, and even then, I was too gooned up to make any of the nice events like this. Thanks for sharing it.

[@jaycoppola4324]

Excellent Screen Name. 👍😅

[@hugejohnson5011]

@@jaycoppola4324 Thanks. Saved from old days when signing up for junk mail at work. The mailman used to get a good laugh out of it.

[@jaycoppola4324]

@@hugejohnson5011 So I guess that would make it "Huge Junk",as in you had Huge Junk (Mail). 🤔 Please forgive me. I'm tired and goofy. 😅 Goodnight.

[@jaycoppola4324]

Oh Shit. I just read this comment thread to my girlfriend,'cuz it's funny. And I mentioned your screen name. NOW she wants me to change MY screen name to Mr. Wiggles. That nickname is supposed to be private.🤣 Jesus. Fuckin' Women... P.S.-Like it's not enough she already got me to use it,and SAY IT,publicly,at the local Unemployment Office...🥕🍌🌭🤪

[@hugejohnson5011]

@@jaycoppola4324 Good one! I find it hard to not laugh when I screw with Indian or Filipino telemarketers, with them thinking that I'm nearly ready to give them my SSN and bank account info, and with their accented English, them calling me Mr. Johnson, or "Huge"! I tell them it's a Welsh name, and they don't know the difference! Good luck with the "Wiggles"!

[@ib1rcnut]

Love those old school bikes. That's what me and my friends rode back in the late 70's. I miss those days. I had two bikes. 74 Suzuki TS185 stripped down to just an off road bike. And an 78 Suzuki RM125. Man oh man.

[@more.power.]

WoW great video Ken thanks for taking us to Daytona love it. Cheers

[@AudiophileTubes]

OMFG... absolute great historic 2-stroke bikes! The essence of motorcycling!

[@FischerRestoration]

Brings back fond memories! All I have left from those days is a YZ490 engine sitting on a shelf in my shop.

[@KaplanCycles]

Right on!

[@SpeakerKevin]

I had that '74 125 Honda Elsinore

[@steveharris6916]

You need to interview Randy. He’s the fastest man in Pedmond

[@sammylacks4937]

My favorite MX bike is and will be the original first year Elsinores. That 250 was looking , sounding and no doubt smelling awesome. That's what MX is all about.

[@joshuarainey6796]

Ken you leade a truly blessed life and I could'nt be happier for ya brother!

[@markeverson5849]

It's amazing how their feet touch the ground!!. It's been a great disservice to millions of motorcyclists where their feet have been kicked out from under them!! and generations of new bike riders

[@johnberry2877]

Not to mention, the dealers and manufacturers are marketing to the boomers who make more on their retirement than any person I know who works two jobs. The future of cycling in America is bleak here in Michigan .

[@markeverson5849]

@@johnberry2877 it's hard to have a trail bike if your feet don't touch the ground! It's ridiculous! to pack up a bike with a heavy load and call it an adventure bike? if you can't even hold that bike up! when you come to a stop and especially in dangerous rough Terrain . it makes me think back of all the many motorcycles I had growing up how my feet would touch the ground and how wonderful that is! You have control of your motorcycle with a big load on it or another person. but when your feet , you can't touch the ground! you lose stability!!it's ridiculous. And then you get hurt. yes I couldn't afford a bike when I was very young and had to go and work half the summer in order to buy my first bike which was a Bridgestone it was very old, I bought it from a dealer and of course I was an adventure living in rural Wisconsin. I had all those old abandoned Farms to explore. But the bike failed me after I laid it down coming into the driveway of the farm too fast because I drink too many beers :-) which was nothing new for me growing up! but I had a very important hot date at about 17 years old and I could not fulfill that date! my bike would not run anymore and she was a cute well-built polish girl

[@markjacobs3956]

​@@johnberry2877 So no Boomers worked hard for their retirement...or their bikes. Sigh.

[@johnberry2877]

@@markjacobs3956 No I am a boomer myself. However, I see what my generation has done to this country. They have sat back, drank beer, got stoned, and lived a life of great opportunities and fabulous opulence while the jobs and advantages they had were systematically offshored, outsourced and pissed away ! Moreover, they didn’t care or were to self absorbed “ narcissistic “ to give a 💩. Now they bemoan all the poverty of their children and grandchildren are suffering with. Here in Michigan, they watched entire plants such as Buick City be dismantled and sent to 🇨🇳by GM and the parasitic grifters in the elitist political class. So, yes my generation did this. A generation of self absorbed narcissists that could not see past their billfolds.

[@markjacobs3956]

@@johnberry2877 My children and grands are fine because they work their asses off while they're young so they can retire like I did at 50...so they can pay for the rest that don't. Stop preaching... Your Bleeding Heart... Liberal I assume?

[@davemonday5381]

I have a couple of Elsinore’s but the 1976 kx250a3. Made my smile I love those bikes.

[@jerrymattox2688]

#1 CR125. Thank you Mr Kaplan America for such a nice interview and noticing my Elsinore CR125. The 4 vintage classes at Daytona Supercross were all 0 to 500cc open classes. I was the only dummy on a 125. Lol. I did manage to capture the overall championship in one of those classes. I had a great time and you made it better. If you would like to learn more about my Elsinore called Clunker and his journey to the National Championship simply view here. Again, thank you sir. kzbin.info/aero/PL9ruYiNnoDuRu7Sqho8YLYtp9VJJk28q3

[@KaplanCycles]

Hi Jerry , honored to have the chance to film you winning again on your Elsinore! Very impressive ride!! Hope to do it again soon!

[@dc6233]

Nice to see you out there still tearing it up!!

[@TC-eo5eb]

Jerry, I would respectfully recommend a protective case for your GoPro. They are $50 but well worth the money to protect your camera. They are also waterproof. I have one and love it.

[@user-dw2tm3jm5h]

Did you ever make it to Orlando sports stadium ? 70s era ...

[@miketollett768]

Hey Jerry Good to see you ripping it. Doc

[@tobibianco4081]

Bellisime, io avevo la C.Z. 380cc anno 1971. Fantastica. Complimenti😅❤

[@jardastraz]

I recognized cz right away by the sound, great😘😘

[@RideFishHunt]

Awesome video!

[@stevefowler2112]

I earned an AMA Expert License in 125cc Motocross when I was a 17 year old H.S. kid in Florida in '74 and was ranked as high as 5th in the state in 125cc expert. I was a yamaha guy so my scooter was a YZ 125. The Elsinores were very good bikes though. My Dad was my mechanic and he was an Aerospace Engineer out at Cape Canaveral. interestingly he said the down swept expansion chambers made better H.P. so starting on my YZ100 and then the YZ125 he designed and fabricated down swept expansion chambers like the Elsinores had. I had a blast riding and racing bikes as a kid but when I got to my Sr. year in HS I hung up the racing boots and really concentrated on academics as I knew I was headed to Engineering College after graduation. I won lots of trophies and some decent paychecks in the Expert/Pro class but my chief claim to fame when I am talking to old dirt bike riders is that I raced future 5 time Motocross World Champion Jeff Ward twice when we were both teens and beat him both times (100cc motocross).

[@user-dw2tm3jm5h]

Ever been to Orlando sports stadium , I was mike oldroyd mechanic. Alan ashlock dad owned it mid 70s

[@111gregs]

No Bultaco Pursangs,,,Hodaka Super Combat Wombats,,,,CCM's...Awesome Video,,,Cliffy Raced These Weapons 1974ish,,, to 1976 ish,,,125cc & Open Class.1975 I had One of the 1st..1975 YZ125 Monoshock,,,,FUTURistic Back Then...

[@jeffpiatt3879]

My GOD! Shangri La! I can SMELL the exhaust!

[@Breakrite]

So in their day, almost zero suspensions compared to modern bikes. The top riders were monsters. Love the old bikes.

[@AOL0321]

Great vid! Loved them all! Great memories of growing up seeing those bikes.

[@jeffdean7623]

tons of respect for a man to run 6 motos😮, on a dinosor too!

[@soggypants]

AWESOME video Ken !!! Brings me back to the early 70’s those names like CZ and Penton !!! 👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@markeverson5849]

There's my Husqvarna only mine was a 72 360 El Bandido backbreaker in spinal cord in 95

[@jeffcanyafixiy]

Thanks for taking the time to video and post this. I hope they had a blast. Great to see those bikes and riders still doin it. 👍👍

[@lilorbielilorbie2496]

Ring, Ding, Ring, Ding. Man I can almost smell the bean oil. Brings back memories of all of the time I spent at Saddle Back Park.

[@kraigcochran9995]

I can smell the golden spectro and klotz in the air 😂😂

[@stuartstripko7662]

loved klotz super toxic

[@adrianorossi6167]

Two stroke... awesome greetings from Italy 🏆♥️

[@michaelheiss8022]

Miss my little CR125M Elsinore , My El Señor !!! Funnest bike I ever owned . Got it as a Basket case all apart in a box .

[@blacklight4460]

Proper bikes making the right sounds! Modern 4t MX doesn't stir the soul the same way.

[@stuartstripko7662]

kx 250 wow sounded porky and super ...

[@eloiseharbeson2483]

I loved the way they smelled burning castor bean oil pre-mix but hated the way they sounded. Why I have hearing damage today.

[@dask1516]

Wow! Thanks for the video this brought joy to my day

[@KaplanCycles]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@sergiososa5855]

Historic!!!!!!puuufff🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌👀👀👀👌🦾🦾👏👏🦾🦾🎵🎶🎼🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀

[@Js-sq7fx]

Love those dirt bikes

[@Eatcrow]

Loving the KX250 A3 ‘76, happy days, had one road legal back in the day

[@jeremybrooks5553]

That Husqvarna 250 was an awesome hill climb bike , my dad trophied on the Devil's staircase on it , awesome just awesome

[@enjoytheridesports7343]

Thanks Ken !! LOVINIT!!

[@passionfruitestate9691]

Love those old school bikes ! Thanks for sharing.

[@NORTY50]

I can smell the castor bean oil from here! Like candy! Also as good as the sounds. Just awesome!

[@cornemuse61]

I absolutely LOVE those vintage class... it remember me my younger days when these bikes where the sh*t.... Now tell me that a 250cc air cooled club class woudn't be a blast for w-e warriors.... with modern suspensions and disc brakes... keeping the hobby affordable for everyone.... like it was in these days...

[@eloiseharbeson2483]

Ever swung your leg over a modern KTM? Better than a "works" (factory) bike from the '80's.

[@cornemuse61]

@@eloiseharbeson2483 I know... but I also know that I could rebuild a 2 stroke for 4-500$ back then... now it's that for a KTM 350F piston alone.... We need cheaper bikes to maintain...for the working man... we are not all sponsored full blown racers with a semi and 2 mechanics

[@eloiseharbeson2483]

@@cornemuse61 I'm 70 and I know what "it was cheaper back in the day" sounds like to most people. Sure bikes cost more to buy and maintain. So does everything else if you haven't noticed. Those bikes cost every dollar I could beg or borrow to keep running and were junk anyway. When I was in HS my best bud bought a 5 year old Corvette for $3K that had the 350 hp 327ci motor. Does that mean that I have any expectation of finding such today? There are things you need to be concerned about today MUCH more than having a motorcycle that you can operate for what you pay for coffee at Starbucks.

[@cornemuse61]

@@eloiseharbeson2483 You don't get my point I think.... 62 and getting older each year here too... I'm just saying that there's could be a market for simple/cheaper mx club class... I don't agree that bikes where all "junk" back then.... My old yz's and red rocket's where very reliable and fun bikes in the 80's... Bringing back something similar with modern materials/suspender/brakes COULD bring back many more riders (old and new) to the sport... Maybe I'm dreaming awake... just saying.... actual vintage classes seems pretty popular and growing if I'm right... Have a good day

[@kintospyker]

No hay ninguna marca Made in Spain.Montesa,Bultaco Ossa?

[@MitzvosGolem1]

Worth so much money and rare. I had 250 Montessa and Ossa. Excellent.

[@pennyan2057]

@@MitzvosGolem1 Remember the Mexican Hodaka? they were cool

[@MitzvosGolem1]

@@pennyan2057 Carabella 125 and 250 awesome. 1970s

[@kimkleiner8456]

Loved the Spanish bikes badge. Had to have a bultaco thumbs up t- shirt in high school and loved the ossa clover. What bike had the radial fined head? Maico? CZ? Was there a porcupine head or was that a dream / fantasy?

[@MitzvosGolem1]

@@kimkleiner8456 Maico,CZ,KTM,Zundapp had big radial fins .

[@PeterSmith-or3pq]

Thanks for the memories

[@ronoconnor8971]

I have a 72 husky 400 I got for my birthday new from Malcom Smiths K&N when it was on La Cadena in Riverside. It still runs and looks like that 250 but with orange tank, not red. All power, no suspension. All those riders were way younger than me, but I rode baja in 74

[@keithgarnes6585]

Had 2 of the bikes in vid, CR125, and the husky with the bubble looking tank

[@johnchopp3278]

My man with the Full Open Face Helmet👍🤣

[@garymeinen3663]

Makes me wish for my old Hodaka super rat, that thing was a screamer.

[@davidhogue4402]

Had the same bike, sooooo much fun in the gravel pits !!!

[@c.a.marsupial.1282]

I owned that cr 125 of the man interviewed. It was a awesome bike . I rode it around Kilsyth Melbourne VIC Australia back in 1975. Great times. Own a KTM Duke 390 road bike now. It's awesome as well.

[@worldsnextsupercar4362]

That style of track not typical of the early days. The high speed rollers were the days ! Kool video

[@mopedbabes1869]

Great video guys, nice race and amazing 2 stroke bikes, cool.

[@lonster6865]

That is so fricken cool! Makes me wanna ride vintage mx!

[@michaellarson8913]

Thanks so much for the great video!!

[@KaplanCycles]

You are so welcome!

[@joshuadowling8778]

Holy shit. Nobody's heard that kinda noise in years! That's priceless!

[@JamesG1126]

My weapon of choice was a 1976 Honda MR175. I was 15 years old and trail riding in Oregon. Good times.

[@jamespolucha8790]

Man if this doesn’t get your blood boiling nothing will, I just wish I could get some help on my maico cant get it running , everything is new except the ignition so I’ll try that next if that works I’ll be out there next year

[@rockyesterline7942]

I don't know how old these guys are but I think they're around 85 years I r o d e and race my 1992 Honda CR500 and I ride and race like I am 19 years old still! And I am 65 years old a friend of mine that used to be on the Jeremy McGrath Yamaha racing team in Carlsbad California I was always in front of him he could never pass me I would absolutely just lap these guys still at 65 years old! X pro boxer founder of boxing vs UFC and best fight predictor Of All Times Rocky's Eastern assassin Esterline

[@lloydholland6475]

Like it like it lots .cool thanks for letting me watch.

[@GregSargent-ll8hi]

I love old bikes.. Got in in my house now.. 73 CR250 & Yz490j

[@TWTexasA1]

What great bikes…I owned a couple of early 70’s Husky’s a CR250 and a CR400, they were awesome…when they ran 😂😂, I finally gave in a bought a new Kawasaki KX420 in 1981, why I thought I needed a 420 I don’t know because I wish I would have gotten the 250..

[@joshuarainey6796]

THANKS KEN! Damn I love those old aircooled CR's

[@williamweiss6128]

Love those old bikes. No Maico, Bultaco, Montessa, etc?

[@AudiophileTubes]

Penton, CZ, Husqvarna, and Can Am was a pretty exotic showing! Would have been great to see the ones u mentioned too though.

[@eloiseharbeson2483]

What great old bikes! I raced enduros and MX on machines of this vintage.

[@colinerikstanhouse6385]

I had a '74 yz when I was 8 yrs old. Grey tank with big red Nike style stripe. I loved it

[@markkenes4848]

I remember when those bikes first came out!! Ride a few of them too👍👍👍

[@patrickkillilea5225]

Those are some Beautiful MX bikes! Man I would love to be in it.

[@billbright1755]

1976 Kawasaki KX 400. The low pipe beast from the far east.

[@sicks6six]

Elsinore the best 125 ever made, plug n play 190 kit turned into a 250 beater

[@cyclerider5652]

Reminds me of back in the 70's racing my '73 Husqvarna 250. This man is hauling on his Husky. Great riding. The clutch dragged so bad on mine once you put it into gear, you could not get it back out of gear without killing the engine first. You didn't have long once in gear before the dragging clutch heated up and you could no longer hold the bike back. It really was awful when the starter gave the signal you were about to go, you put it into gear and then he changes his mind and expects you to wait.

[@loganbaileysfunwithtrains606]

One of the few videos on KZbin that I can “smell” 😂

[@joshuarainey6796]

Cant believe I'v never heard of a Penton before,and I call myself a fan!

[@matthewperkins288]

God I love that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@johnfitton9569]

Omg, I luv it

[@kbi2vlog995]

2 stroke amazing 👍👍👍👍

[@Extremegaz25]

Good to see the old 2 strokes ken.

[@dalejohns2758]

I have a 1981 Maico 490 Mega 2 sitting in my Garage since 1985. Not froze up. Might clean an tune it up some day.

[@jayaustin3096]

Love it. Thanks for sharing.

[@EarthSurferUSA]

Oh, the beginning reminds me. I fixed my modern bike and lowered it. I can touch the ground now too. Corners so much better. See you at the next corner. Yea, that is me on the inside. :)

[@johndelong9230]

I remember moto cross back in the 60s. Jawas come to mind but the kings of the dirt bikes back 60s was the Maco's.

[@davidsnyder2000]

Love it! Nothing better than old school 2 strokes. Can’t stand today’s trend with 4 strokes. Why have a slower 4 stroke bike with twice the weight?! Who came up with the idea that a 2 stroke 125 is equivalent to a 250 4 stroke?! Make it a 125cc 2 stroke and a 125 4 stroke. Make it even and then see what happens. The 4 stroke is inferior! No questions asked. Bunch of fools