VOCAL COACH REACTS | JINJER | PISCES

[@DroctorKloebner]

"I have seen and heard this before" Thank you. Finally someone who just admits it, instead of flat out lying and then overacting an oh so unspoiled reaction.

[@unforg1v3n]

100% agreed! Instant like and subscribe for being honest (and knowledgeable).

[@lkayh]

I don’t think you can say that other reactions are necessarily dishonest. I’ve seen quite a few where it’s clear to me that the reviewer is pretending to be shocked (click bait). But classical voice teachers don’t always listen to metal, and so this kind of thing can legitimately take them by surprise. My background is more mainstream rock/pop/r&b, with lots of opera and musical theater, and I literally had never heard a woman make that kind of sound before-and I’ve been around awhile.

[@DroctorKloebner]

​@@lkayh yeah but the majority of these people aren't vocal tachers, they are youtubers who earn money with clicks and they know exactly what they're doing. given how old this song is by now literally every youtuber who does reaction videos has at least heard about it or even seen it before.

[@lkayh]

@@DroctorKloebner I guess KZbin is very selective about what hits my feed, probably because I’m pretty selective about what I click on. For the most part when it comes to unique vocalists like Tati, Diana Ankudinova, Dimash (JEEZ!), Sohyang, etc., I prefer to hear from vocal coaches and musicians who know what is happening and can give informed explanations and opinions. And when something legitimately takes them by surprise, it’s really fun to see. Anyway, I don’t see or click on a lot of reaction vids if seems like the reactor won’t understand the skill and technique behind what they’re hearing.

[@brocklalonde188]

I want to see mark do some covers

[@KardavoxAcademy]

Once I have more time during the week thats definitely something we want to start doing

[@sappermacsheffrey]

@@KardavoxAcademy YESSSS!

[@alejandrolarios8069]

She's a monster in live I had the pleasure to watch them live in my city before this plague... Love jinjer

[@ElliWoelfin]

Though it (happily) is becoming more common for singers/vocalists to sound just as good live, it is still extremely impressive when the recordings are so very clean.

[@mn6334]

I had tickets for about a month ago. I'm still holding on to them hoping they'll reschedule.

[@theakenem5484]

I had tickets to see them in a festival next weekend... Well that was delayed for a year

[@Shake69ification]

@@ElliWoelfin yes, agreed. Tool are also very good in this way.

[@msevfreak23]

Kris yeah they haven’t announced a reschedule for their 2020 American tour :( hopefully soon

[@BroKEnCaPSLoCk1]

I know a lot of focus with this band is on the talent of Tatiana but the musicianship behind her is fantastic and super-tight especially that bassist

[@KardavoxAcademy]

Absolutely!

[@tattered666]

Dude is a monster on that bass. Both accenting the drums and guitar while also adding his own "voice" to the song

[@charlieoronzon7108]

The drummer is the shit too... for me Jinjer became Jinjer with Vlad

[@odahhan2001]

"maybe they want my take on it" We want everyone's take on it

[@jeeplivion]

Fact

[@NoisieBastrdd]

hahaha fuck yeah

[@jacobmcdonald8911]

I like Jinjer, and I've watched a few vocal coach reactions to the transition in Tatiana's singing. It's nice for a cheap laugh to see people who are blown away by a woman producing a metal scream/growl. It's a refreshing and good thing that I can also see a metal vocalist breaking down what she is actually singing, not just the fact that 'wymen can't scream, what is this' Thank you

[@alondite215]

Nice to see a vocal coach reaction where the coach actually understands what she's doing to produce her growls/screams. So many others are absolutely dumbfounded by her distortion technique. Now can you tell me what the hell Keith Buckley of Every Time I Die is doing? Because he sounds incredible but it doesn't sound like any technique I'm familiar with, or least not when he performs it.

[@bepkororoti8019]

He's doing fry screams or more like what is known as "heat", so voice with (a lot of) distortion, the singer of rise against does the same thing and the dude of anti flag, as well. Although I'm not really sure where the distortion really comes from physically, maybe it's just the flappy stuff like the soft palet and the false chords?

[@sebarhap]

There's a thing called arytenoid distortion, it's what Tool does, and Chester Bennington. Andrew Sowthworth has demonstrated this type of distortion before in his how to rasp and high scream tutorials. Maybe it's what you are looking for.

[@MrHmmm98]

Jinjer lists Opeth as an influence so, yes.

[@JannikH666]

the last section especially *breathes* opeth through and through, but in the most positive way

[@Cameraboy12144]

I’m no singer but it is fascinating to listen to a technical break down of the voice behind a song This is one “vocal coach” I can listen to explain and enjoy the technicalities of the voice

[@KardavoxAcademy]

That's awesome to hear, man! We've got plenty more where that came from! - Alex

[@Cameraboy12144]

Kardavox Academy I definitely subscribed! I always appreciate when a KZbinr takes the time to respond to their comments, thanks man!

[@KardavoxAcademy]

@@Cameraboy12144 Thanks Vernon, we do our best here! Hope you're doing well.

[@deluxeraptor2551]

Her clean vocals to scream vocals is so smooth

[@KC_Overland]

Totally agreed about the Opeth sounding ending. You are quite the insight for a drummer like me to learn more about the vocals and their part in music. After I built my studio a few months ago, I’ve been playing with vocals, and want to make that a usable part of my musical talent, so thanks for these videos!

[@metalflower9543]

She's an amazing vocalist. I love Jinjer!

[@michaelgabriel5910]

Mark could be an ear nose and throat doctor with all his anatomy knowledge. Also, speaking of Opeth you should react to them.

[@Sefhen]

one thing that impressed me with Jinjer is how deep Tatianas screams go, sure nowadays it isn't that rare to have women screaming but her range is what gets me and I love it

[@j.f.fisher5318]

Great getting a perspective from someone who knows the growling side - subbed. It would be great to get your analysis of one of their songs where she uses her low growls too - Who Is Gonna Be The One official live or Pit Of Consciousness live in Kiev. I've felt like I was hearing that transition between false cord growls and fry screams in those because she starts ramping up to the scream from a much lower growl in both of those. Of the two I'd prefer Pit Of Consciousness since it is newer and her voice is always growing in power. Cheers!

[@williamreynolds3487]

Don’t know why I was paying more attention to the instruments than the vocals during a vocal analysis, but damn that snare is nice. Edit: And yes, that bridge sounds a lot like Opeth. Really cool. So does the very end imo. It sounds like a guitar riff Mikael would write.

[@rhyswilson7806]

It's quite possible it's because this was recorded as a showcase for the drummer! :D

[@mojaghed]

██ The next song of Tatyana for review - live at the concert: JINJER - Perennial (Live at Wacken Open Air 2019) | Napalm Records

[@TheMouthOfTheSouth]

The arm ring, the Mjolnir necklace in previous videos...skål my brother!

[@KardavoxAcademy]

:) :)

[@davidpardo8675]

I was about to comment on that too!

[@heidevolk_le_gueux]

Saw them at Toulouse (FR) few months ago, it was a total blast !

[@KardavoxAcademy]

Nice! I bet that was awesome. I spent a summer in Toulouse years ago. Loved all three months of it!

[@benturtl9076]

I was at a show in my hole city in aachen germany at asuper small and sweaty venue. Awesome!

[@Pharaoh_Atem]

C'est pas souvent que je vois un français sur ce genre de vidéo. je me sens un peu moins seul....

[@acc373r4t0r]

je les ai manqués :///

[@ianwaking]

Why did this reaction end up being the only video that helped me learn false chords? The noise he made when explaining it is literally something I did all the time as a kid, it was my "monster voice". No one Records tutorials through a mic they only use their reverby ass room recordings and it does not help people understand the sound they're supposed to make, So thank you Mark!

[@mn6334]

I know I've seen interviews where the band has talked about Opeth being a major influence.

Man this song always gives me chills, especially toward the end. I found Jinjer and Unleash the Archers at a time when metal was starting to feel repetitive and dry to me. They carried me through all of 2017-2018

[@nooblegacygaming6021]

I’ve waited so long for you to do Jinjer

[@Jacob_the_Dabbler]

I'm still waiting to do Jinjer

[@d00m3d_us3r]

@@Jacob_the_Dabbler I see what you did there 👉😎👉

[@mex1cangh0st48]

This band is fantastic, keep up the magnificent work Mark

[@dkorody81]

Fantastic breakdown! Jinjer is awesome

[@RogerSanderson]

The prechorus & bridge sound like Opeth. This song is like if Lacuna Coil & Opeth had a baby. Love it though.

[@CMDRJosh]

I think you would like Lauren Babic. Her band is Red handed Denial, and she does lots of covers. Two of my favorites are her two covers of Veil of Maya

[@kaylamacgavin]

She's amazinggg, so glad you dug deep on this song! Agree on the Opeth connection. On that note, would LOVE to see you break down Mikael's vocals!! Opeth was my fav growing up. Maybe something from Still Life of Ghost Reveries? Great job on this video. Thank you! 🤘

[@HDTizzUm]

This is the second smart explanation I have seen where someone knows what they are saying.

[@lunahateless5204]

I always watch your videos but this was one was especially insightful for me. The topic of the basic false chord after the first heavy section really helped me understand something that's been making my screams inconsistent for a long time. Thanks mark!

[@TacticaLxSpooN]

"Who is gonna be the one" live is the way. Check it out perhaps. ♥

[@METALLiCMETALLEr]

Wow.. Never listened to Jinjer before......I'm a fan now

[@thepracticalprepper9706]

I lost it at “wanna put some stank on it”!!! My man!! 😂😂😂😂

[@KardavoxAcademy]

Gotta love putting some stank on it!

[@cfppf216]

@@KardavoxAcademy Whenever possible, put stank on it.

[@jasonluke6364]

I absolutely love the last 1/4-1/3 of this song

[@timbrown6629]

Her singing voice/timbre actually reminds my of Stevie Nick's at times on this. And that very end part. She reminds me of Jeff Walker from Carcass on Heartwork.

[@VIKINGKING95]

Just discovered this video this is one of my favorite songs and I love how you are honest about seeing it before a lot of reactors will never says that

[@he-landewalt9497]

I’ve listened to this track maybe a hundred times and when you said Opeth vibe the biggest penny ever dropped! CLANG!!!!!! I was shouting at the screen in agreement with you. Thank you xx

[@LuckyTrevor]

I love this guys energy in all of his videos.

[@KardavoxAcademy]

Thanks bro!

[@Shiznittlebizbampop1]

I LOVE watching your reviews and how you break down how to do certain vocal techniques that most vocal teachers are way too scared to even touch let alone teach. And you're doing it in such a great simple to follow but also extremely competent way! Keep up the good work man! Love your videos and I watch every one!

[@pugjob4612]

The first thing I thought when the bass line hits was peak opeth. It shows up in several of their songs.

[@vitorarsenio4105]

The first female vocalist doing this type of vocals was Otep Shamaya, from the band Otep. Otep Shamaya is a huge influence on Tatiana´s vocal technique...

[@vikayad2830]

I've seen so many of these reactions videos, but this one seems to be so professional, finallyyyyyyyy Thanks

[@oberonmeister]

Anything inspired by Opeth is just a sign of a good taste to me.

[@CoyoteBongwatah]

I had the opportunity to see them in a really small venue in my town right as this video was blowing up. They absolutely killed it, they are the real deal.

[@KardavoxAcademy]

That sounds like it would have been awesome!

[@ElliWoelfin]

The consistency in her incredible breath control is evem more impressive given she's self-taught. That's something I view as the type of thing you'd ignore when learning on your own (like anatomy or colour theory when drawing).

[@j.f.fisher5318]

I suspect she remembered enough of those basic principles from the few months of training she got as a school kid to use it as a foundation when she got serious about singing as a teenager.

[@theopinson3851]

Yes! Finally a reaction from somebody who knows what’s going on. It’s funny because most people I show this to ask if it’s real, but IMO what is great about Jinjer is the songs are written and produced to be very reproducible live. Aside from a few random harmonies here and there there are very few overdubs and they pull it off VERY well live.

[@ulash12344321]

"Opeth inspiration" totally agree and it's another positive point I think.

[@huntermengel2683]

I saw her preform this song live when Cradle of Filths lead singer got sick for the Baltimore show a few years ago . They played a longer set and she hit every song , it was a fantastic performance

[@Metalhead1001000]

That was interesting. I like how you actually break things down other reactions on this is just people getting shook whereas you actually break it down 👍🤘

[@Ironcydeus]

The thing I really like about your reaction videos is the fact that you are a coach and go in depth as to how certain vocals are done. I've found that I've been able to improve my screams through watching these videos

[@thetalesofyuulicnaga5907]

Cerebral Bore’s singer is also a lady with killer vocals. Straight up great

[@aquanitemare]

Most reaction videos aren't very educational. I love your content bc you actually break it down 🖤

[@mo9620]

What can I say , this is the most professional reaction video on this song i have ever seen . Seen lot's of vocal coaches react but all of them had zero connection to metal music . Great video , great reaction .. Ever did a reaction on a real live performance of Jinjer , I would suggest the song Perennial ( live at Wacken open air 2019) It's the last song of their show and in my opinion that's where she really proves how good she handles her voice and breath control .

[@KardavoxAcademy]

Thanks for the kind words! I'll check it out!

[@mo9620]

@@KardavoxAcademy Thnx for the reply !

[@akitoxavier]

Your sincerity has generated a new subscriber from Venezuela !! good vibes for you!!! Rock On!!! \m/

[@KardavoxAcademy]

Welcome to the Kardavox family, dude! Tell your friends!

[@axeldelfino3476]

the tip for false chords is amazing. I love your channel so much, keep the good work please

[@DMR_official_]

Thx so much for the professional inside which most reactions did not provide at all. Please do a live one of Jinjer - she's a beast in breath control and that makes their live quality so amazing, I guess. Also, let's appreciate the guys a bit more, Vlad, Eugene and Roman are all super talented in what they are doing. Barely any metal band out there that skilled in each position - bass, vocals, drums and guitar - all you need.

[@scottburnside3218]

I love love this song and ur take on it..just wanna say the band as a unit are epic..keep up the good work mate

[@icon_o_clast]

The detailed commentary and examples set these videos apart.

[@nedsoccer11]

I love making my coffee in the morning and watching Mark’s videos. Man he is so talented and well educated. Keep it up brother

[@12valvidos]

i saw them live two years ago right before arch enemy. they were slaying it! she is very good and talented! had a really great night!

[@tomekd789]

Right! Good spot. Her scream has really short phrases, meaning she's using a lot of air. Haven't paid attention to it before.

[@KardavoxAcademy]

Thanks, glad you liked it!

[@BigDenk]

Any possibility of a video on Rheese Peters. Guy has some of the most insane highs ever. His vocals especially in The Bloated One by The Senate are insane

[@tessrichards7058]

+1 to this, he's solidly my favourite vocalist, whether that be his stuff from The Senate, A Night In Texas's old stuff, or his collab with Gamma Sector

[@zurielxx6557]

hes crazy

[@MetalCoreHog131]

He briefly went over Rheese in the Deadweight reaction but thought they might be frys. I think they’re false chord. Would love to see him go more in depth on Rheese or Alex Koehler. Obsessed with those highs

[@user-xe6tv1bm9u]

I was really lucky seeing rheese with a night in texas live in germany and holy shit he is really crazy good

[@DatboiDemonX]

@P Dug actually yes, Rheese commented on the Deadweight video saying his highs were pure false cord.

[@BerNa650]

Wow, this was really informative. Really nice to listen to someone who understands these kinds of vocals. Instant sub, after watching this and the Demolisher analysis.

[@KardavoxAcademy]

Thanks for the sub! Welcome to the Kardavox family!

[@justinrochester4090]

Saw them a couple years ago in Phoenix and they killed it plus the “after party” at Denny’s with them was chill as fuck they’re some awesome dudes.

[@amanddaselva]

This is the best analysis ever! Such a good class for those who seek for perfection! Congrats, wish you were my teacher :D

[@KardavoxAcademy]

Wow, thanks for the kind words, Amanda! The good news is... Mark can totally be your teacher! Just send us an email on [e-mail] and tell us a little about yourself and your abilities, and we can inform you about our lesson offerings! - Alex

[@CIVILCHAOS1]

Tatiana said in an interview she grew up and listened to Lamb of god and took inspiration on Randy Blythe ..sorry might not have wrotte his name correctly..but you can hear a lot of Lamb of god tones into her singing...and i find that really cool of her..very nice feel to her voice, she got amazing clean..so versatile in what she does and truth is she is one of my fav metal vocalist with Courtney from spiritbox and Angela from Arch Enemy. She brings something new to the table and thats what i like about her. Thanks for the video and i love your band Kardashev, never heard music so powerfull and beautiful at the same time. Keep making awesome music like this.

[@missmarlajean]

Absolutely OPETH! I recognized those chords immediately! Fun fact - back in the days of Netflix sending you actual DVDs, I "thought" I ordered an Otep DVD, but I ended up with Opeth - The Roundhouse Tapes. That was the first time in a LONG time that I got excited about new (to me) music. And it was a mistake! ( or was it?) Anyway, really appreciate your channel. Thanks!

[@jonrogers1497]

You get my thumb-up and sub. She's nothing new, but she's something special and you broke it down professionally and in detail.

[@piotrkowalski451]

Somebody finally explains this technique,thank you!

[@msevfreak23]

Also, I would love if you interviewed her about her vocals! She’s said many times she doesn’t warm up before shows or have any techniques . She’s self taught and has been doing it for years before she got to where she is now! Either way for how good she is it’s pretty impressive! New sub :))

[@Akherousia502]

Jesus, it's about time someone did a reaction video of this and actually knew what they were talking about. This and Townsend's 'Kingdom' are easily two of the most overused videos for reaction channels due to their popularity and pretty much guaranteed clicks, but it's always pretty much the same thing. Wow, so cool, such vocals. It's nice to see someone cover this and actually break down what's going on. Very informative!

[@KardavoxAcademy]

Thanks! We also did Devin Townsend previously, although we covered one of the best live performances of Deadhead - kzbin.info/www/bejne/pJamhKZpZdl-j7c . Hope you enjoy! - Alex

[@TheFavess]

that last scream is my favorite of hears

[@KardavoxAcademy]

It's a great one!

[@caffeinechaos1334]

Superb breakdown. Thank you.

[@Rosannasfriend]

Since you are a heavy metal person, I'm coming here because I have a feeling you will understand better than any other vocal coach what she's doing.

[@karenfinance3336]

YES! We want your Take on it!

[@DataLupus]

This is the first time I’ve seen someone on KZbin go into so much detail on how Tati does her growls/screams as well as her cleans and I appreciate it so much

[@KardavoxAcademy]

Thanks! Be sure to stick around, and check out some of our older vids for more! - Alex

[@viniciusribeiro7279]

Amazing! I'd love to see you reacting to Retrospection and/or Pit of Consciousness, but if you wanna hear an song that she doesn't scream, Bad Water, such an amazing and underrated song

[@TheEternalMoonlight]

I'm so glad you decided to do this song! It's such a good song from such an amazing band! Your breakdown of vocalists' techniques and giving your own input is such a cool insight! I would love to see a breakdown of Forlorn by For the Likes of You! It's such a great song, and their vocalist Austin Dickey seems to have so many different techniques that I'd LOVE to have your take on it! Thank you for the awesome vids!

[@chuckmeyers5827]

I happened to stumble across your channel late last night and got lost for a couple of hours. Great content I’ll definitely be back and you got yourself one more subscriber. 😉

[@joshgerschutz361]

Recently found your channel and am enjoying the heck out of you.

[@lkayh]

One thing I like about this song is that most of the way through, every element of it is really clean. The drums, the guitar, her vocals, all of it-you can clearly hear what everyone is doing. Most metal (to me-I’m not a metal head) is “noisy.” There might be some really brilliant work happening, but it’s all layered over each other to the point where I can’t really process any of it. That may actually be what metal heads DO like, but it’s just not my thing. It might have to do with the way my ADD works-too much all at once and my brain goes into overload. Everyone in this video is exceptionally talented, and the way this music is laid out I get to hear and appreciate all of it. I tried some other Jinjer videos and so far what I’ve heard falls more into the “noisy” category for me, but this piece works for me.

[@Fyrecide]

Tatiana's little hand gesture is hilarious to me too. First time I saw the video, it made me laugh out loud.

[@oldmanuserphan]

I am but a simple man. I see a professional reacc to Jinjer so I click the link.

[@pennywisepuma2255]

Man, these reactions... love it

[@KardavoxAcademy]

Thanks bro!

[@bepkororoti8019]

It sure sounds like false chord screaming, at least in the low lows, but I'm not sure how she then manages to sing phrases that long, eg in Perennial Live at Wacken, there are physical limits, unless she's attempting to break free from the matrix. It sometimes sounds like she's doing both techniques at once, maybe she has that sweet spot where she can bring her false chords to sympathetic resonance with the fry scream underneath? In Who Is Gonna Be the One Live you can also kind of hear what sounds like a normal vocal fold voice layered underneath but this is so low it's most likely not a pitch her vocal folds would be able to produce judging from her speaking voice, could be the sympathetic resonance frequency of her wind pipe. She is pretty unique, I don't know anybody else who sounds like her.

[@dallasclark5533]

She is self taught btw.

[@subhrajitray5639]

That melody and esp the bass during the last section does sound Opeth-inspired.

[@VampyrMygg]

Every time I hear this song, I think of The Dillinger Escape Plan's song "Setting fire to sleeping giants," kinda jazz sounding (to my untrained ears) which suddenly go into screaming.

[@atracaelum]

..... oh my god the ending IS very Opeth, I've been struggling to put two and two together since I listened lmfao thank you

[@toiletrytomfool5808]

Love the videos, they help me way more than i ever expected

[@davidgiberson4807]

I've never had the opportunity to hear this band WOW what a voice from such a petite women just amazing how her rangers seem so easy to her I understand that she has been at it for sometime

[@emersonmaximiano9449]

Nice job brow, congrats from Brazil!!!

[@AbsoRuud76]

I absolutely agree that they have a similar sound as Opeth. Which is a really big compliment. Opeth rock. :)

[@kylestaples465]

I came to the comments to find the nightwish requests.lol.usual next step for reactors. And the best vocalist in my opinion.

[@infectedstray2188]

Man, it's good to finally watch a review where the reviewer isn't blowing smoke up Tati's ass. Great, intellectual job. I believe this has been the first true, accurate review I've seen even tho I've watched a bunch of other vocalists & coaches review this same track. Thanks for telling it like it is.

[@2FlyCaptain]

Tatiana is very approachable. I've seen her do a couple of interviews with KZbinrs. Maybe try reaching out for one, can't hurt.

[@DarthWinterMadness]

Completely agree with the Opeth vibes, I got them too the first time I listened to this song a while back. Cheers from France! 🍻

[@Neverbloomgaming]

I'm so glad I found your channel. Your content is amazing. Much love ❤️🤟

[@KardavoxAcademy]

Thanks for the kind words! We've got plenty more where that came from, and if you want more behind the scenes content, feel free to check us out on Patreon! www.patreon.com/kardavoxacademy - Alex

[@sebastiankockelkorn9674]

I wasn't going to watch a "vocal coach react" video on this song, but for some reason i decided to watch this and was not disappointed, good job 👍

[@KardavoxAcademy]

Thanks bro!

[@kicksboxes8372]

The bass guitarists favorite bands are Opeth and Mudvayne and if I'm not mistaken he composed this song as well as wrote some of the lyrics so it makes sense that it has some Opeth vibes