Nachreisen: Longsword Lesson 14

[@uluturki]

The way we interpret Nachreissen, or at least Meyer's Nachreissen is to strike the opening they are attacking you from. That provides two things, first is that quarter is going to be open because they just left it and second is that even if you misjudge your timing and blades meet, you have the better geometry to hit. I'd recommend to try it that way.

[@SwordCarolina]

Good point. I assume that you are talking about the first of the three examples of nachreisen that we cover here. We have tried it that way, have had whole classes dedicated to it. I quite like it. But let's not limit ourselves to only one possibility, if other's provably exist. Both the Ringeck and von Danzig manuscripts give a head strike as a nachreisen should someone cut their point past you. That is the option we went with in this video. I appreciate you bringing up the point, however, since the brevity of these videos prevents us from exploring every possibility.

[@uluturki]

I agree with not limiting to a single interpretation, just wanted to share. Thank you for the videos by the way, they are a great source.

[@mikajlod25]

@@SwordCarolina only the first is Nachreisen, everything else is a different handwork, no you are not limiting possibilities, Meyer is.

[@neohenry8292]

Another interpretation of the Nachreisen, in my perspective and practice (even though I do rapier), is attacking after the person leave your sword. In rapier fencing, I can gain the opponent's blade (or engage) by 1) putting my strong against their weak 2) angle my sword insofar that their sword is off line by the contact and 3) angle my sword insofar that my sword is in line. Even if it not good practice for Italian rapier to contact swords with each other because physical contact telegraphs the enemy, the enemy in turn telegraphs their movement. In order for the enemy to attack (if they lunge when I gain their blade, they will run into the blade while I stand in surprise that lunge), they must withdraw themselves from my gain and attack on the other side with a cavaizone (or disengagement). I hope you guys know rapier terms else I have to write more. When they leave my sword, I can feel their intend and see if they shall lunge. With that in mind, before and during my engagement I know what they must do to get out of my engagement. That's the rapier's interpretation on the Nachreisen. Again, I hope you guys understand what I'm portraying.

[@SwordCarolina]

Nice! I hope to train Rapier at some point as well, and I think you explained yourself well. The specifics might be different with the differing weapons, but many of the same principles seem to apply.

[@SwordCarolina]

Neo Henry Thanks!

[@mikajlod25]

4:28 That's not Nachreisen, That's pulling, zuken I believe, Meyer is pretty specific there

[@sortofcephalopod8972]

zucken would be in the bind, pulling your blade back to thrust another opening iirc

[@andreaskleinschneider2502]

The technique at that timestamp is Umschlagen. Zucken starts the same, but instead of seeking contact as done here, one would interrupt the motion and instead go back to the original Blöße with the Kurze Schneide. That's in the Meyer context, anyway; I don't know if other sources described those techniques as part of Nachreisen. Really like the way in which these guys explain techniques though; will come back to watch more!

[@motherlyfather9871]

This looks like a fighting game mirror match

[@Chrominance87]

I think what you mean by block, you mean parry.

[@SirSmurfalot]

@Ian Hollier No, not really.

[@MrSilvUr]

@@SirSmurfalot So, what's the difference?