Kawawada kumite Shoto Cup 1985

Kumite highlights from 1st JKA Shoto Cup (Tokyo, 1985) featuring:
Kawawada v Koike Kawawada v Kagawa Kawawada v Yokomichi
Commentary by M. Nakayama

[@MDIS]

Trust me ; i had fought with some of the Shotokan and Okinawan Goju Karate-kas , and they really go FULL CONTACT when permitted and their control and sharpness is unequalled. Respect to the Shotokan and Okinawan Goju and all martial artists

[@MarcoOviedo]

I really can´t get why is funny. There are two stylists in a great demostration of the art, with the appropiate control and careful execution.

[@rtt1961]

That jump uraken @ 2:13 was spectacular.

[@biomappa]

As Kansa (Judge in the match) several shotokan stars as Y. Yaguchi, Enoeda and the number one Mr. T. Okazaki. They are legendary !!!

[@jgeorkas]

In every Martial Art video the same conversation. Either it's Shotokan, Kyokushin, Tae Kwon Do, Kung-fu, BJJ etc someone says "this is Bullshit!", "that doesn't work", "This is no good" etc... At the Bottom of line, the Martial Art is as good as the fighter that applies it.... There is no bad M.Art, just bad fighters... Just enjoy the videos and try to keep an open mind!

[@edwardsarhuda2595]

Yep totally agree with you.all these martial styles arguements are realy irritating.like is it that hard to accept that not everyone aims to be a mma champion.

[@Cyrus_II]

Oh man! That what what I always looking for. BIG THANKS!

[@danielromero8999]

Much slower than today's sports kumite... but much stronger too. You can see much more solid hits here than in modern sports competitions.

[@LoganBruneau]

Actually, I believe the quickest and most efficient way to foot sweep is as they step/lunge/leap foreward. One can simply slide your leading foot across the ground and into the inside of thier leading foot just before they land and get thier balance. If they are about to put weight landing on that foot, they will likely lose balance and fall foreward, providing a window of opportunity to attack them.

[@aiyer1989]

Or one could also argue that it's a lack of zanshin since he turns almost inmediatly after the punch.

[@ROCKY44]

Awesome, thank you.

[@Jeice3065]

True but there is one thing i like about kyokushin that we don't have it's the breaking boards and stone part, thats why i want to switch, but i'm sure sensei would show me if i asked.

[@FernandoVadell]

@theuppro thank you man apreciate it

[@FernandoVadell]

@cwm1 were do you get those numbers? do u perhaps have a huge list with the description of every fight that hapens? it is simply not posible to know since there are so much brawls acurring every second and mostly by drunks or junkies that have no notion of technic nor interest in it further more the amount of martial artists compared to the general population is minimum and they tend to avoid fights if you respond to this mesege plesse say something logical i have no intention to argue if not

[@FinArkal]

They got awesome speed and explosive!!!

[@leirtac12]

kawawada has great form and he uses mostly gonosen then senosen

[@polluxje]

@SnollaSnax No, the red belt is just for the recognition in the game. Sometimes one wears a blue belt, and the other wears a red belt.

[@maofas]

I agree with you. I think Shotokan has a lot of things going for it, but it's stagnated and becoming forgotten as a contact fighting style in favor of other forms of karate and kickboxing. Personally, I think Koshiki rules (keep the space helmet, ditch the chest guard) would be ideal for Shotokan. You get to fight continuously, but if anyone rocks their opponent with one technique/combo enough to declare it an ippon they auto-win.

[@kdonv]

@GadGades Shotokan is my primary style but I cross train for ground and grappling. But even after years of cross training I caution you to dismiss striking styles. If you do, the fight may very well wind up with you on the ground... just not in the way you're thinking.

[@kbphyde]

It`s interesting to see how Kumite has changed over the years. These guys are technically good, but they don`t move at all, just hop up and down on the spot like two rabbits! No springing backwards and forwards and shouting a lot like nowadays! And no protection either. Interesting though.

[@GadGades]

IF we're talking about two men fighting, the size difference might be there but not always. People are looking for weakness, they'd sooner notice lots of other things. Even when there is a size difference, it's not necessarily the reason why they might think someone is weak. What I'm saying is that two people with a minor difference won't amount to much, and people picking fights will just as likely consider someone similar in size or slightly smaller as weak(maybe not taller though).

[@mico2020]

they are supposed to control their punches. I have been to some of these competitions and when the opponent lets one off it really hurts

[@GadGades]

@riodejaneir10 That's if you go looking for a fight. If you're talking a bar incident or someone trying to mess with you, the chances of them knowing any martial art is low, the chances of them knowing judo or bjj is low despite their popularity. thieves ect can rarely afford to learn these things unless they did so at a younger age when they were better off financially. Realistically people don't get into many fights throughout their lives.

[@rcadag]

ahh.... I am JKa but it wouldn't be polite to say JKA is the best style, nor would it be true.

[@GadGades]

@riodejaneir10 Nor did I talk badly about either art, or I'm saying karate is best, or don't be well rounded, or don't learn more than one style. But saying every fight will end up on the ground is ridiculously. It isn't realistic to try to fear people into thinking THEY HAVE TO RUSH to learn bjj. a person could take 1-8 years before switching to another art, and they'll probably be just fine.

[@diosdadoapias]

preferential bias is what some people are ingage here not what they see. If what the see is karate they should not be talking about grappling arts and vice versa. karate is being derided but they are not allowed to use what they trained(those real karateka who learn for real fight-self defense) There are no extended knuckles, finger strike or spear hand strike to the opponent. If they will allow this all mix martial arts will be banned for surely many will be maimed or die.

[@Colemandina]

Kagawa won both kata and kumite in 1990 I believe? However, the "sports karate" in the clip is pretty slow by today's standards and the British were the first to beat the Japanese at it and have done so loads of times. Re K1 etc being tougher, these sports karate guys are amateurs who wish to go to work the next day. What they do on the mat is not what they do in a real fight. Stop comparing styles. Terry O'Neill did sports karate and is a tuff SOAB and so are many others.

[@sligo405]

Kawawada = smoove

[@shammerton73]

is that enoeda refereeing ?

[@cristofercabrera9945]

Hi

[@yungram]

чел зачем-то выкладывал бои японских каратистов в 2006 году, а я зачем-то смотрю это 6 мая 2024 года в 00:40

[@555hansy]

i prefer kyokushin kumite but this is nice too .

[@hafka77]

Just practice. :-) I am also not too experienced referee, but I am getting better. ;-)

[@NYRUSSIANGUY]

"Any UFC fighter will beat them up.." bla bla bla. How many UFC fighters have you met in real life? I bet less than zero. How many of them even get into ANY street fights? Less than zero. These karate guys are tough - and fight with no gloves and protective gear. Who "on the street" can handle them? NObody. They are tough as a rock - and if needed they can easily beat up 1-2-3 guys.

[@Sheik06]

Not too many boxers die during matches? Make a good search before posting. Many studies show that about 10 boxers die EACH YEAR around the world, even in amateur matches. Western Boxing is even more dangerous than kickboxing and MMA because in boxing only punches are allowed, and 70% of them hit to the head. Also, professional matches can last up to 12 rounds.

[@draltar]

@samuricex lol late 70s and it wasnt ilegal neither people died

[@makedonija77]

Who the fuck fights on the ground? If you're a good fighter a real fight shouldn't last more than 30 seconds, let alone get on the ground. You should see some of the fights I've seen. Kickboxers vs. kickboxers in an Southeast European nightclub, the club was packed tightly and the crowd was literally wobbling and pushing as these guys were fighting...They even lifted one guy up into the air and slammed him off the ground and all he got was a nosebleed.

[@z3z3z4]

Does the referee sitting in second match having an egg in his mouth

[@jxalvare]

Willing to bet any ufc champ beats these guys any day of the week if it ever came to a real fight....oh wait that does happen ...thats why in the early UFC you had karate guys get their asses kicked by thugs with no formal fight training...

[@jeancichocki]

buhehehe what this is ??

[@totopitbull]

O karatê dessa época é bem melhor que hoje em dia. Parece que não evoliu. Foi uma época de ouro do karatê dominado pelo Japão. Grandes nomes do karatê que se ainda lutassem dariam muito trabalho para a geração atual.

[@rafaelandrade3575]

Correção, não perderiam, isso garanto mas o karatê de Hoje isso é até proibido Karatê Balé!

[@mikeodonovan9299]

I love Japanese karate from this era. I first trained in Japan in 1987 for 3 months. No internet, you tube. You went blind. For a foreigner it was quite intimidating to start with. There was a high level of karate of the instructors and they had a real presence. Sparring with no gloves, there was a kind of a menace to it. Miss those days.

[@JKT6]

point sparring?

[@cristofercabrera9945]

Hola

[@diosdadoapias]

they do not need to learn BJJ because the japanese have their jujitsu where ur BJJ came from, Judo and aikido. Ground fight is ur theory of the reality of fight in the street but not all. Many street fights do not end in ground fight or grappling.What I experience once and I saw as tendency of many street fights is the antagonist will flail and flail their fist. Only some people who have a tendency to grab when they fight would end on a ground fight.

[@alimanslayer]

karate is not a fight, it is a game, an art, if you want to see two muscled meatheads fighting like animals go watch ufc

[@GosokuRyuYodan]

And this is not about fighting, it's about timing. It's about finding an opening or creating one. If it were about fighting, you'd have techiques to the throat, eyes, knees and so forth. "Kumite" does not mean fighting. It means "meeting of the hands."

[@maksim55669]

the thing about karate is that you can't use competitive technique to guage actual application. I have been doing shotokan karate for 12 years and by reflex, if i am fighting for my life, i won't be striking at the midsection/head to knock out the opponent. I will aim for the softer tissue in the throat, groin, inner thigh. I will aim to break or severely damage the knee/shin area, or if a weapon is used against me, i will look to block and break/disarm. I won't be looking to knock out.

[@patio87]

Karate Kumite is very similar to a Kendo match in the competition scene, very cool.

[@GosokuRyuYodan]

Bullshit. If you stand there playing tough guy while half drunk, maybe. With GOOD, STRONG, Shotokan guys, you'll get hit quick and very hard. Maybe half the fight goes to the ground: you! But you won't find these guys picking fights in bars...

[@salamangkali-allmartialart4836]

That lady commentator has the sweetest, most soothing voice. Who is she?

[@bondarev42]

In the 1st match (Kawawada v Koike), the referee is Y. Yaguchi. In the 2nd match (Kawawada v Kagawa) the ref. is K. Enoeda; in the 3rd match (Kawawada v Yokomichi) the ref. is T. Okazaki.

[@GadGades]

I disagree that the average fight will have a size difference either. I'm not saying people shouldn't learn it. I almost forgot how this started so I'm sure we've lost sight of the point. My point isn't not to train in anything. People should train in at least a style for each basic stage(3-4 styles) and maybe one sport style(or a combination) or at least Judo or Sambo. If they really want to be rounded. My point was that people aren't going to be garbage for not doing BJJ.

[@alimanslayer]

it is game with a lot of artistic value, many different styles, the fact that it is not just a street fight is the value of karate

[@jayrocket23]

Look at the Mae Geri at 8:01. Wonderfull!!

[@cristofercabrera9945]

Hi

[@alexichristodoulou9786]

Nice post more old school pls

[@jodharry]

1:47 Wow... had it not been for the replay, I would've never know he'd hit him, let alone with a back-hammer punch. SO FAST!

[@deadguy29]

Nice vid, although I don't understand why Kawawada gets the point at 6:11 when he is completely out of balance.

[@PowerhouseTheDojo]

this is not "kumite" this is "point" kumite, and since a single clean shot can result in loss (or win) both sides approach the bout "very" carefully. This type kumite is all about 1. "timing" 2."speed" 3. ability control and "precision" (very difficult). For those who "don't understand" the mentality behind Traditional Karate this may be boring - the average Joe finds more excitement in a brawl, which is NOT what karate teaches and encourages anyone to practice. If these guys unleash all...

[@Canis138]

Because in Kumite you are battling for a point, not a knockout. Kumite is a war with many battles, not a brawl in a dark ally.

[@riodejaneir10]

@GadGades Low income people wouldn't be able to take any kind of lessons. I practice judo and BJJ for 32 yrs of my life. Today in the US, teachers Rigan Machado (my childhood friend), Royce, Rickson. Marcio Simas in Orlando Florida etc. they're not cheap and to practice these type of martial arts today. I'm not disregarding any karate or kicking and punching martial arts at all, but if you don't know BJJ or judo in a fight today, you will be in trouble. Rarely, they will loose a fight.

[@GadGades]

@riodejaneir10 It's realistic. Someone that knows boxing will probably go through their entire life with just that serving them well. I'm not saying cross training or having ground knowledge is bad. But low income people wouldn't be able to take lessons unless they could when they were younger or as a sport, of which there's only wrestling in america. That aside it isn't like basketball, where people outside of the amateur competition actually know it.

[@skooterkid]

I agree that looping punches can be easy to block. However, you must admit there is nothing easier to dodge than a straight punch. You just move your face. You know where your face is, therefore, you know where a straight punch is going...every single time. It's wise to add various punch angles to your arsenal. If you always punch straight you're being extremely predictable. Your only hope is pure speed at that point. Open-minded enemies are some of the most dangerous.

[@FinArkal]

It seems that u haven't ever seen karate training if u think that in karate we dont learn techniques against grapping/takedowns/roundhouse puches and low kicks. Yes we do train these practical things in all distances and against all attacks. We also train with low kicks and learn ho to block any kicks and punches. we also train wrestling. And karate gives the speed that with it u cant get knocked to ground fight.. U just troll and spam thats all u kwon. Go to grow child!

[@sbox001]

I love shotokan karate, and have over 10 years experience in it. But the 'one hit one kill' concept is unrealistic and so is this type of point sparring, it would be so much more exciting in a continuous form! Due to this i've had to move over to ITF and kickboxing but I miss all the extra techinques such as sweeps, throws, back fists etc of karate. So, same rules but for 2 mins and count the points at the end? You'll see some interesting combos instead of reverse punches all the time.

[@ndileonardo]

I don't understand one thing. Why do my fellow karateka always run around the ring with a chambered fist after they THINK that they scored a point? It makes no sense to me. Try that in a fight and see what happens. it is like celebrating a touchdown that you know is going to get reviewed. Your theater is not (or at least should not) be adding to the judges' decision.

[@GadGades]

Also I don't know what you mean by round house punches but if you mean a cowboy punch... well that's the worst possible punch a human being could throw. a wild punch that tries to arc instead of going forward is a waste of time and easy to block. If you meant a backhand then any general blocking or evasive technique could be a applied to it.

[@aiyer1989]

And I've scored several points with sweeps. Problem is, most people telegraph their sweep and completely forget about their guard. At the distance their feet are from eachother you don't have to withdraw your leg. Simply hook your opponent's. You don't have to get him to the ground, breaking his concentration is normally enough to score.

[@GadGades]

@riodejaneir10 A ground art is great as a second or primary art, but after that you can go on and learn whatever else. People shouldn't be so guilted or scared into sticking with safe routes, when they might have other interests, ways of thinking, and life experience that differs.

[@MarcoOviedo]

all karate stylists practice makiwara, and sandbag for the kicks. There would be many injuries, that´s certain. Karate was intended to produce the maximum damage with a single attack, that´s why the combat looks strange for most people, who pretends watch many attacks with low damage.

[@aiyer1989]

I'm actually a bit dissapointed of this video. Were they allowed to sweep at those competitions? Several times in the video their feet are almost touching and yet no-one sweeps their opponent. Honnestly, if I compare this to video's from champions like Biamonti, I prefer those video's.

[@smcgregor72]

realjoyboy1,the reason for this in japanese custom one you have committed to the strike and it has been executed properly no one wants to start getting scrappy,so to turn your back is a honour of trust,he slightly jogs due to the speed of an opponents reaction,funny haha tit

[@AZNKC]

wow i cant believe this guy....in fact im kind of speachless....i think u need to seroiusly figure out if what ur training in even is shotokan...cause if i remember correctly in almost every dojos has a picture of funakoshi or his dojo kun.....

[@calibansfury]

You're assuming he wants to compete full contact, and with no hands to the face, I don't think kyokushin ever tells the whole story as to who the superior fighter is. Just who's superior at kyokushin tournament style fighting.

[@JRBouncerz2010]

OMG acerwk is on this as well? By the way everybody acerwk has been doing this on a lot of other Shotokan Karate video's. He is just an arrogant little man who has nothing to do but troll on video's.

[@smcgregor72]

yea i watched it a few times now,id say you are right,think he was trying to fool the ref,i hate that shit,they are alowed to sweep i noticed that aswell,i hate that bouncy shit

[@joseroberto6171]

Oss

[@Jeice3065]

Thats not the essence of it to me. It's to push myself to be better. Plus i rather finish what i started!

[@Locust59]

im surprised someone didnt post something sayin that mma will kick all of there asses or something.

[@JRock1900]

This sucks, I want to see full contact like MMA, then you could see who the real winner is.

[@Deratrius]

Wow I was expecting something exciting but these fights are boring as hell...

[@hooperwille]

I don't get it who won in the first fight? The guy with red belt or the other?

[@lobodemar26]

ok,ok all my respect for this karate guys but this, this is really boring!!!

[@JeReL19]

I don't speak Japanese but I like the female commentator's voice.

[@aiyer1989]

Very nice fights. So different from now and yet some habits still remain. Sexy commentating as well.

[@DonalPhelan]

I think I saw Hiroshi Shirai there too as a corner judge?

[@manueat]

shotokan is japennesse you must go to a mcdojo then

[@pointsur]

You young people really need to turn off the TV...

[@GadGades]

Karate arts in general are known for having good low, effective kicks. Anyway, real fights rarely end up in the ground. Somewhere between less than 40% of them do. And if they do, the person rarely knows either wrestling, judo, or any kind of ground art anyway. They'll just try to punch you and get up. seriously, if a fight ends up in the ground its because the people involved tripped. And once you hit someone to the ground and your standing, the fight usually ends.

[@alfroitforza9488]

Kawawada, kagawa the best.

[@openmindedproduction]

being a good fighter means knowing how to intelligently defend yourself in the worse possible positions, like when someone a lot bigger and stronger than you takes you down and is pounding you in the face with strikes...ground fighting/BJJ teaches you how to defend yourself in that type of situation, which is more common than you think...especially now that more people are learning to wrestle, do BJJ and fight in MMA...to deny yourself knowledge of ground fighting is to be closed minded

[@Ozarka741]

The typical person has little to no experience in grappling and most who do did it for a while or two as a kid. Therefore, even if it goes to the ground it would be a matter of strength and a karate fighter would likely be stronger than the other person simply because he's an athlete. Plus, if you're any good at karate you should be able to fairly easily beat the average person. Its also unlikely that a good grappler is going to pick a fight with you anyway. And, grapplers can lose too.

[@chaosbeast43]

whers the blood i want blood and serious kos

[@Sujiceel]

Now they have protective gear for punch/kick taps just to win points.

[@bondarev42]

Yes, in the Shoto Cup, which is where this clip is from. The All Japan Championships for that year had a different outcome.

[@janlizbovski7915]

Немжко ошибки в интертете,но это наше каратэ (СОВЕТСКОЕ)черт побери как мы в 1979

[@Circonius]

Funakoshi must be wrathing in his tomb...

[@makedonija77]

Other than that I rarely get into fights but when I do I fight to kill, literally, with every gram of ferociousness in my body. In a real fight you might end up wrestling on the ground, but you get into the fight with that thought in mind and I wouldn't mind using whatever I have in my reach, knives, guns, bombs, fucking chairs, tables, rocks, sticks, whatever. There's no mercy when somebody is trying to harm you physically, it's a battle of survival.

[@ksachef]

The judges in the fight are now some of the highest ranking sensei's in Karate today. I believe that is Sensei Okazaki - 10th Dan at the end. He and Kanazawa or the only living 10th Dans.

[@openmindedproduction]

and I believe especially if someone has no combat training and they get into a fight or attacks someone on the street, it inevitably goes to the ground because of their lack of training too because they will grab, trip, fall, and just continue grabbing, punching, etc. there especially if it's a man attacking a women trying to rape her, where BJJ is one of the best arts to learn to defend against such attacks

[@openmindedproduction]

I wrestled in Jr. High, and we had a wrestling unit in grades 7, 8 and in high school for phys.ed class, everyone did it, boys and girls, and that's in southern Ontario, Canada where wrestling isn't very popular. And real fights regularly do end up on the ground, even JKA competitions like this video allow trips, sweeps, and takedowns, but in a real fight a person would get on top and ground and pound, and to effectively defend yourself, knowing some basic BJJ/ground fighting is a must

[@ВладимирБорисовичЕршов]

ВЕЛИКИЕ МАСТЕРА И ВЕЛИКОЛЕПНАЯ ТЕХНИКА СЁТОКАН .ПЛЕЯДА МАСТЕРОВ ОТ ФУНАКОСИ,НАКАЯМЫ.КОСЭ ,КОГАВА.КАНАДЗАВА.ОСАЕ.ЭНОЭДА.ТОНАКА.ПРЕКРАСНЫЙ ВЕЛИКОЛЕПНЫЙ.КИХОН.

[@GadGades]

@cwm1 Thats right, criminals, bikers, gangsters, and muggers all take time to train in BJJ please note the sarcasm, please