Konnan on: why the dirt sheets will NEVER understand the wrestling business

[@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL]

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[@mansion1719]

Wrestling marks have created this really weird community in which they've all convinced themselves that they have some deep understanding of an industry none of them have ever worked for. It really is strange to see and I can't understand why they keep growing.

[@UnknownJorge]

That's just fandom in general. People think they can write a Lord of the Rings series better than Tolkien. People think that they write a better ending to Game of Thrones better than Martin. They think they can make a better video game than Miyamoto. People thought they could do Star Wars better than Lucas. In 2024, wrestling is a nerdy hobby, and nerds love that type of content.

[@imfreviews]

The same reason Flat Earthers exist. We are in a world now where, if you don't like the way it is, you don't change your thinking to fit reality, you change reality to fit your thinking. In previous ages, people who did that would die of hunger or disease because other people wouldn't bother trying to take care of them - they had their own problems. Not making a value judgment about society, just saying.

[@zeromagnum2811]

yeah. As a long time fan of wrestling. And a creative minded person. I can say that I have a creative understanding enough that i believe i could book a wrestling card. But am also smart enough to know that since i have never done it professionally for a tv show that I don't know all the ins and outs like those who have done it and would need to learn that before i was to actually be the main booker for a wrestling show. No matter how creative one might be without learning a job for awhile under those that do it you won't fully know what you are doing and that is true for any job. Wrestling marks more often than not are just arrogant and won't admit what i just said. Because while i feel like it is something i could creatively do if i wanted to. I'm not arrogant enough to think i can do it better right now than those who have done it for years at a pro level. Understanding the wrestling psychology of story line narratives on how to build a feud is only a part of it. Because to do it at that level you have to know how to format for tv, you have to be able to manage the egos of the talent you are booking for. You'd have to be able to adjust creative should any wrestler get hurt and mess up a planned story. It would never be as simple as a egotistical mark likes to think it would be just because they are fanboys and understand wrestling a little bit from the perspective of watching matches.

[@frostfoxen]

"they've all convinced themselves that they have some deep understanding of an industry none of them have ever worked for." Hence my definition of a mark: Smark = smart mark = someone who thinks he knows more about wrestling than the people who work in it do.

[@johnknight7481]

The crazy thing is they are wrong about everything and never have any accountability

[@timothy4664]

Russo was booking with Cornette, Prichard and Vince. He also had JR and Patterson too. Vince Russo did not book wwf by himself.

[@liamfenech6609]

And when he booked WCW and TNA he was well and truly exposed as the fraud he is

[@ithinkaboutthings9052]

@@liamfenech6609Damn skippy!

[@EarthdogGFX]

@@liamfenech6609 TONYK WOULD SUK D FOR THOSE RATINGS

[@johnnytheworldowner9130]

Dave Meltzer only ever reports on negative AEW news whenever they're already public knowledge. Notice how he didn't mention a single word about AEW's ticket sales bombing in Australia until after it was announced they weren't doing a stadium anymore?

[@liamstewart4472]

What I have come to learn from the dirt sheets is that if Meltzer reports something, it means the opposite is the truth.

[@carlmann7000]

Same here. If he says a match was really good I pretty much know it’s the shits lol

[@loooooooongstanding2141]

Fightful have spent the last 5 years shilling for AEW and yet AEW are in their worst state ever... how can no one be learning from this?

[@JL10196]

All these podcasters and KZbinrs are fans. JDfromNy , all the British’s KZbinrs, Dave Meltzer Sean Ross Sappy are fans. Fans of aew.

[@KayfabeGames]

The British KZbinrs are the worst.

[@nickhughes8179]

WhatCulture is the worst bunch of Petite marks not named Dave Meltzer

[@raysiva]

Some fan in the KZbin comments once came back with “This news is from JDfromNY”, someone I’ve never heard of until this channel. Someone even mentioned Not Sam. Another KZbinr I hadn’t heard of until seeing it in the comment sections lol. Sorry, but radio personalities and random twitter fans don’t interest me, I watch the ones who did it before

[@DanielBuxton-c4q]

jdfromny is a click bait mark fake news non heyman girl

[@Robby_C]

Dirt sheets and internet marks will never learn the business because they are already convinced they are experts.

[@maklame3318]

but jobbers like disco and bookers like russo and eric who were despised before aew are suddenly the purveyors of truth.

[@RunandLift2]

​@@maklame3318Disco was bigger than any of the Aew jabronis. Drew more and sold more. Eric knows more than Tony will ever be willing to try and listen to

[@Robby_C]

@@maklame3318 Just because their criticisms are correct doesn't mean their solutions would be any good. Also, i dont give a shtt what that moron Russo says, and i think Eric is a bullshtt artist who bloviates and pontificates, but doesn't really give a shtt about what he's pontificating on. But that doesn't mean they are always wrong.... And it isn't as if all of their criticism are the same, or everybody agrees with everything they say just because its anti-aew. Maybe you shouldn't oversimplify reality to fit what ever imaginary narrative you have created for yourself.

[@Robby_C]

@@maklame3318 also, what the fcck does that have to do with my comment in any way, what so ever?

[@Robby_C]

@@maklame3318 Just because their criticisms are correct doesn't mean their solutions would be any good. Also, i dont give a shtt what that dope Russo says, and i think Eric is a bullshtt artist who bloviates and pontificates, but doesn't really give a shtt about what he's pontificating on. But that doesn't mean they are always wrong.... And it isn't as if all of their criticism are the same, or everybody agrees with everything they say just because its anti-aew. Maybe don't oversimplify reality to fit what ever narrative you have created for yourself.

[@liamfenech6609]

When it comes to booking what would you mention Vince Russo in the same breath as Vince McMahon Paul Heyman Dutch mantell and Jim cornette? He is clearly not in the same ballpark quality wise as those men

[@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL]

You're uninformed.

[@EarthdogGFX]

97-99

[@liamfenech6609]

He had Vince McMahon back then to make his ideas palatable when he was in charge of his own booking in WCW and TNA he was dreadful

[@budwyzer77]

Dude, the drama around Vince Russo booking school would be HILARIOUS.

[@EarthdogGFX]

@@liamfenech6609 aew is dreadful 5 years of it ..wcw was 8 months

[@kindleending7348]

Does Joe say this stuff to put over guys he knows or does he actually believe this stuff? He thinks a guy is a good booker because he trained wrestlers who went on to be re-trained in NXT?

[@cjrosa6]

He kisses ass to keep access: ie Jericho

[@youngzeus87]

Joe is a goof who's opinion is awful. He should just produce in the background

[@russellcampbell3500]

​@@youngzeus87give the guy a break. Like you would just sit there quietly. He's a fan first that's why he got into it

[@budwyzer77]

@@russellcampbell3500 Freaking BOOKING SCHOOL? That sounds like an obvious scam. Dude just had to bullshit them over the span of a few days and take their money.

[@russellcampbell3500]

@@budwyzer77 agreed. Booking school for dummies, who will write the book nerds are begging for? Lol

[@stevecrawford5619]

I love how the simplest small things throw Konnan right into a shoot, fantastic, Konnan you are a legend!!!

[@DavidDexterGaming]

Fans can talk about wrestling and have opinions but someone like Dave Meltzer claiming he knows more about running the business than Eric Bischoff or Bryan Alvarez making a video claiming that Kevin Nash doesn't understand the wrestling business, I just think they are dumbasses for even saying that stupid stuff out loud.

[@joetroller514]

They just chose to not accept reality. To them, AEW is right on WWE's heels.

[@maklame3318]

who are they ? aew has lost most of its audience. There are more channels and people officially bitching about aew then people watching aew.

[@extremeking425]

I'm still trying to get over the fact that Dave has been doing this since my parents were born.

[@jackiejones3296]

I really don't think the dirt sheets are the problem. They're just people who figured out a way to make money, can't really knock them for that. The real problem with the dirt sheets are the dirt sheet reader. The people who support them are the problem. Sean Ross Sapp for example, has been caught out so many times in 2024 with reporting fake stories for money yet the marks keep giving him cash.

[@jimbowlan5804]

@jackiejones3296 The dirtsheets reputation with me has been low for a real long time I stopped reading their magazines when I started reading wwfs magazines in the late 90s meltzer reputation has been going down for the last 25 plus years

[@philwalsh8975]

Tony Khan's knowledge of wrestling was not only minimal at he started but it seems like he's actually declined as time goes on.

[@duckmercy11]

As opposed to who? Country bumpkin Cornette who hasn't been relevant to the industry in 20 years? 😂

[@philwalsh8975]

@duckmercy11 your question makes no sense, he wasn't being compared.

[@tr3cepuffs481]

It’s dangerous when people get confident in their stupidity due to surrounding themselves with yes men. TK is one of the greatest example of it

[@UnknownJorge]

@@duckmercy11 Country Bumpkin Cornette gets more views/downloads than AEW lol

[@maklame3318]

@@UnknownJorge that says more about the sad state of wrestling fans where they cant let go of wrestling so they just listen to a person whine and bitch about it endlessly.

[@cactusmac666]

The boys are right on the money once again. I only listen to pods or watch shoot interviews that have actual wrestling talent involved. Why the F do i wanna hear what some other fan has to say about the business?

[@TroyValley]

This 100%. Myself or any one of these commentors could start a podcast or dirtsheet today and we'd be just as knowledgeable as the the average goofballs doing them now. But then compared to the Konnan/Discos, Cornettes, Bischoffs, etc. we know absolutely nothing, nothing being generous. We can't pull the curtain back, we don't know how a match gets laid out, never been in a booking meeting. It doesn't mean these fans have no right to an opinion or shouldn't ever podcast but there's a huge difference between a podcast by a mark and a podcast by guys with decades of experience.

[@matthewfrohbieter1803]

Look at how accurate the guys who were in the business at the highest levels are compared to the dirtsheet guys have been the last 5 years. This AEW downfall was predicted by these guys long ago and they told you why. They were accused of being haters, but they were the ones who actually had AEWs best interest in mind.

[@markmann5539]

Tony Khan is the worst booker in the history of wrestling and Dave Meltzer is the reason why.

[@misterelom]

Whenever I see a wrestling news article/story and it says "According to Dave Meltzer" or lists The Wrestling Observer as the source, I just ignore it. That name The Wrestling Observer is fitting because they never worked in the business, they just observe. Like the rest of us fans.

[@LV_Cityzen]

People like Uncle Dave & JDfromNY206 are 🤡🤡🤡

[@nickhughes8179]

He tries to be Don LaGreca and ends up as Mark Madden. I’ve also called JD, Angry Russo.

[@jamesreding6336]

I know when a wrestling match is great but I couldn't ever put a great match together most of the time

[@josecastro3323]

Now a day if you know what a work is and all the wrestling lingo is makes you an expert!

[@neilbiggs1353]

I don't know if you need to have worked in the wrestling business to understand booking, I'd be interested in what a good writer could do if they had some experience in improv and understood how to listen to the audience, but there are a lot of skills you need that are much easier to acquire when you're in the industry. The trouble is, and a reason why I guess a lot of wrestlers struggle when they try to book, is a booker needs to get when something is not working, and know how to transition the angle/storyline whatever. Most writers, and many wrestlers will likely have an ego where they won't admit their great idea is not working. Jennifer Pepperman for example doesn't get anything about the bodyguard storyline if she is writing for Mone, and it has unintentionally buried Camille. I hope Freddie Prince Jr gets a chance somewhere, just to see how he gets on, he at least had some experience in WWE, but I'm not confident he'll knock it out of the park either...

[@frankiemarino779]

So Russo gets a pass cuz he was around Paterson and McMahon and Hayes? TK has Jerry Lynn and Chris Hero and Dean Malenko etc, and he blows goats at booking.

[@analiysanchez9949]

Konnan used to talk to Wade Keller and The Torch all the time

[@MiguelangelLopez-hm9ig]

Aew is terrible. it's bin almost a year of half empty arenas 😂

[@ithinkaboutthings9052]

A critic for a YT channel or dirt sheet can offer his views on stuff. They just quickly become full of their own BS expertise. I like when the Konaans and Discos and Cornettes make it a brief point to sweep the legs of those experts.

[@MattyIce316]

Wrestling podcasters have become the source of wrestling news and info. At least podcasters have experience in the world of pro wrestling.

[@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL]

The problem being is that most of these wrestling podcasters don't have any actual sources. They just know what will make great click bait.

[@MattyIce316]

@@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL I appreciate the different perspectives each wrestling podcast gives even if some of the things said isn't particularly accurate or popular. I have my favorites for sure including this channel.

[@jj204]

When meltzer dies WWE won’t mention it. Aew will do a tribute show.

[@ninthlife1745]

I'm not even trying to be a hater here but what is Joe's point? He means that people need to get experience as wrestlers to become bookers?

[@juanvelasquez1151]

Jd works in hog

[@gimmiebackmybike1831]

There's a guy on KZbin called Just Alxy and he is the single worst example of what you guys are taking about. I used to watch his stuff because i thought he was a parody account but sadly he's 100% real.

[@analiysanchez9949]

Roger Ebert had no business being a movie critic cuz he never starred or even was an extra for any movie 🙄. As if the wrestling business is soooo unique and difficult you gotta take bumps in order to write about the business😐🤮

[@maklame3318]

no one can give an opinion or review on anything unless they worked in the factory to make the said thing. /s

[@crooklyn74]

I wish non wrestlers would stop using terms like "Put over" in casual conversation. It sounds stupid enough already when wrestlers do it.

[@royalty843]

Joe would learn better booking from some of the Cornette clips of his territory days

[@enrikogates]

Gotta say, Joe has some pretty thick skin..

[@realnumber_9]

Us marks will rule the wrestling business one day. You just wait and see. King Meltzer will rise to the throne

[@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL]

can't wait.

[@RunandLift2]

Throne* thrown is more like Dave Meltzer has thrown away what's left of his credibility by NOT apologizing to Dutch.

[@neilbiggs1353]

@@RunandLift2 Throne is slang for toilet in some places, so maybe that is where the OP is form.

[@RunandLift2]

@@neilbiggs1353 He spelled it thrown originally

[@nickhughes8179]

And in true PervWG fashion, it’ll be an invisible throne since he’s King Nothing these days.

[@mikefegan2324]

Your ego is so huge that you think you know eveyhint in the world. Dave meltser has done more to help teh wrestlingbusiness than you ever have. atONY khan has woened youe ver single time.

[@petepeters6879]

Are you drunk?

[@Jrh-rp7np]

@@petepeters6879I think he was so triggered he had a stroke writing this