Set Your Standards And Never Settle Part Four

[@Abom79]

Lots of time and labor involved with these Keith! Awesome job!

[@3347861]

Adam, you and the Keiths (Fenner and Rucker) are class acts in my book. Genuinely nice guys and masters of your trade. I truly appreciate your willingness to share hard earned knowledge and the down to earth attitude that you present it with. Keep doing what you're doing!

[@gabewhisen3446]

I love the fact that you and people like Abom don't skip on quality because your name goes on it and your pride of workmanship shows in the product love the knowledge and skill that

[@dadmezz4024]

Beautiful work Keith....great to watch a working man who has master skills...Thank you for taking us along..

[@brody5563]

It's nice to see some people still take pride in their work when allowed too. I always enjoy the videos Keith, hope to see a lot more in the future.

[@gunsmith549]

watching the key way cut brought back memory. A local machine shop hired a HS drop out to run a mill cutting keyways. He retired from that Co after more than 60 years. Never knew anything but how to cut key ways on that same old worn out mill.

[@eddiekawecki2510]

What a great job! I really appreciate the time Vanessa allows you to do what you have committed to do especially knowing how many meals she has had to reheat at times when the push is on, and then on top of it- make these videos. I know your customers do also. Thank you, Ed K. Cleve. Oh.

[@johnnyholland8765]

Have done a lot of cutting on stainless,titanium,and inconel when I worked at Boeing using similar setups and a conventional cut. Was always terrified of that first cut that it would pull up.Once in a while I would shatter a cutter. Makes for an interesting recovery cause usually it trashed the workpiece and you had to teardown and start over. The harmonics can be toned down with attachments to the shaft but I am sure you know this.In my current job I do a lot of hand fitting intricate parts with hone and lapping them to .000050 tolerance. The heat from your hand can change the numbers. Everything is measured with air gages and snap gages using ceramic jo blocks to resist heat transfer. Have a laser measurement system but I don't use it. I like the old way better. Good video. Lots of hard work in those shafts if done correctly.

[@dougbourdo2589]

Love the Sliding Door indicator. The methodology of task completion is King. Table of the K&T aligned with the doorway for extra long projects, 'glory whole' for the sake of long shafting in the lathe, etc. Like a well played chess game, many moves ahead. Ke=pp up the awesome work Sir.

[@MAL6000]

On a mobile browser, go to Bing maps, search for Turn Wright Machine Works and select Bird's eye view. The default angle shows a shaft hanging out the sliding door, but I can't tell if it's just hanging on the hoist or lined up on the K&T. :) The imagery is a few years old, since the shelter behind the shop isn't there yet.

[@Braeden123698745]

I bet this channel helps your business. If anyone has any doubt in how well you do your work you can just point them this way.

[@suzukichopper]

This channel started because of his business and just grew legs from there.

[@xj5523]

Hey Keith. I discovered your videos while on vacation on the cape a few years ago. I saw one of your videos where you said you live on the cape. Coincidence I guess. I still enjoy them just as much as I did binge watching them while relaxing on vacation lol. Thanks for the hours of entertainment and the knowledge I have gained from your videos. I am an automotive technician and I find I can apply quite a few things I've picked up from you in my trade.

[@skeeter50001]

Enjoyed this series very much. Great ability Keith. You do getter done.

[@jackdotzman2908]

Great video, one never fails to learn from your efforts to show us how you do it. Just fantastic. Thank you. JD/Missouri

[@MrBugsier5]

old fashion craftsmanship! nice work Keith!

[@classicrestoration]

Keith, you made that look easy....the mark of experience. I'm sure that experience had a few hard lessons along the way. Some boats growl and vibrate through the shafting/prop and some are velvet smooth. Now I know why. Well done sir!

[@snoozinglion8596]

Beautiful work Keith! Thanks for sharing

[@TheSpike420211]

You're spot on about the coolant...

[@drubradley8821]

WOW... that material cuts great! I am sure the cutter plays a huge role in that.. Nice work!

[@guyward5137]

That's a lot of work. Great seeing how a true professional craftsman at work sharing his knowledge

[@willemstreutgers1154]

Keith, "sliding door indicator" amazing LOL You made my day.

[@michaelgreen6671]

Great to see a true craftsman at the top of his trade. Compelling viewing, I've just spent over two hours glued to my PC , I've subscribed and guess I'll have to make time for Keith's future clips.

[@juangonzalez9848]

Tricky tricky, the slow motion of the keyway cut was of the prop end. Great vid, keep them coming.

[@MH-on8ol]

Thank you for taking the time to explain each step. Nice work, you clearly take pride in you craft and produce a quality product. Dave

[@chiphacket]

Keith, Your videos are awesome. I watch them all. Learning from you is great, but sometimes it's just plain fun. Keep it up.

[@alexmclennan3011]

You make it look so easy. Thanks Keith

[@BlindBatG34]

I'm very impressed at how fast you can pull out.

[@fedew800]

Love that lathe house. Eternaly grateful.

[@weshowe51]

Lol. When you are on-camera you're all animated... definitely a California kind of guy. In you comments you are all Yankee... terse and to the point ("couple days"). Those locals are rubbing off on you. :) I watch all your videos, and that is not because I am into pain, I learn SO MUCH. I want to also compliment you on your video production skills, you are getting good at this.

[@michaelogden4035]

Man, I don't know jack about machining, but I love your videos. Seems to me it would take some serious cojones to tackle a job like this, not to mention superhuman skill. Just getting that long-dog shaft to spin quickly without whipping around is a marvel to me. Stay cool, Sir!

[@maxfritz4813]

Keith just awesome the way you make use of what you have

[@JBFromOZ]

The art of machining in action right here

[@martindever4387]

Another great series Keith very informative!

[@davidmotoman4956]

Excellent work as usual keith

[@triplebbenditbreakitbodgei3743]

at some point i'm going to have to beg, steal, borrow a lathe again thanks for the inspiration Keith

[@shawnmrfixitlee6478]

Super sweet job Keith , Thumbs up !

[@donaldlocker7394]

I'd sure like to have an E-stop near that lapping operation. Beautiful work.

[@ypaulbrown]

really enjoyed slide show at the end Keith, good choice of music too....Bravo....

[@isabellaman2545]

Top notch work Keith. I can c the standards need to b high on a drive like that. Hope there is high standards with the mechanical installation as well.

[@algerc.5492]

Just another day in the life eh? Impressive as always.

[@kroghsmachineshop4708]

Really interesting to watch, cool slow motion, those shafts are a tiny bit bigger than the 25 mm shaft on my boat enjoyed the video 👍😊

[@lyntonr6188]

excellent work Keith !

[@lito11111940]

Your saw is a beauty.

[@smurf196uk]

as always beautiful workmanship watching you work is always a treat with a little giggle here and there i did wonder how you mounted them shafts in your lathe without bending them while you worked on them

[@ChrisB257]

Phenomenal amount of work Keith - and am well aware that set-up times must be huge. Great stuff. :)

[@shjashari]

Keith it is so nice when I llok for the second time your videos

[@Jccarlton1400]

Keith, I was a bit skeptical about the need to straiten the shafts, because of the extra time. I see though, that by straightening first you save yourself a ton of grief later when you do that work with the other end flopping around on a stand.

[@avman2cl]

Set your standards and never settle!!

[@plnmech]

Excellent video.

[@lorenlieder9789]

Great job Keith good video!!

[@turbocobra]

Loved seeing the lapping work!

[@German_MDS]

Nice work! First class.

[@JostheRebel]

Awesome job as allways Keith !! I geuss 4 people couldn't get their shafts treaded, the Turn Right way...

[@JostheRebel]

Thanks man ! Appreciate that

[@allrebuilt8577]

nice trending job i usually get it the first time not! key way cutter looks mean

[@thaiexodus2916]

Hey Keith. 2:00. Stick the part on the shaft. Pad with a thick rag, then bump your hip or hiney against it. Just as much pressure, a fraction of the effort.

[@dansharpie]

Hay Keith it would be good if you had the time to see a few of the boats you had worked on down in the harbour, are your people skills as good as your shop skills ???? i know the hardest part of my job is getting the pricing right and keeping the customer happy, i saw a quote on a van it said "The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of a low price is forgotten"

[@richardcox3485]

Good quote, a lot of truth to that

[@standardeight]

Richard Cox another applicable one perhaps " If you think it's expensive hiring professionals try hiring an amateur " I've been told it was Red Adair but haven't checked it. Do love it though.

[@tolbaszy8067]

Robin Grainger: "Quality doesn't cost, it pays!"

[@gorillaau]

dan katla sharpe If you can't afford to have it done right the first time, what makes you think you can afford to pay to have it done again.

[@dansharpie]

gorillaau a fix for a third of the cost could get the boat running for a few weeks to earn enough money to fix it right, or use second hand parts, many times i have fixed rather than replace, most times i try to avoid people on the knife edge of healthy business, unless they are friends i am willing to work with poor materials and parts knowing i will do the job again in the future, but i know i can call on that friendship for a hand in the future, if i don't know you it's not worth even getting the tools out.

[@RenegadeADV]

Keith great video series, I followed you from SV Seeker, I wish your videos had been around when I was going to machinists school, I am primarily a CNC guy but I've learned so much from watching you.

[@avman2cl]

Nice shafting job Keith. You definitely were able to getter done but not without the glory hole ;)

[@nwbackcountry5327]

Incredible. Thank you.

[@donc81]

Looks like you had to pull another late night. Good video Keith

[@bcbloc02]

Another finely crafted job complete. I presume since you fitted everything nnow all they have to do at the shipyard is assemble?

[@billsmith5166]

Really nice job. Poured babbitts are cool for some reason or other.

[@Marvin.Runyon]

I hear french door indicators are great for radius work, but they impart too much smug into the work.

[@MindCrime550]

With lots of chatter

[@mickking9622]

I usually progress the compound slide toward the chuck around .002 thou with each pass when cutting a large pitch thread. There is formulas available that will determine the exact figure, depending on pitch and profile, that will allow you to move tool forward each pass therefore reducing the cutting depth at rear of insert, therefore reducing chatter. ie; a 45° (90° included) thread profile would be an equal value for depth of cut to the figure that the compound slide is moved forward for each pass. Note: reducing the figure, to around 90%, would ensure the the rear of the insert would still clean the back side of the thread being cut.

[@tylergordon696]

"We have already measured 32 times" I am glade I am not the only one that does that when cutting something expensive.

[@dinohudson1432]

No joke.... My Daddy always said, "now, what did I just say"? ...Measure it again!

[@johnw.peterson4311]

Beautiful work sir. Thank you.

[@waynep343]

i did not like the harmonics either.. was thinking/visualizing.. lowering the cutting edge just slightly. i know you know better.. but its just fingernails on a chalk board. also curious. if you have ever tried something like a 180 grit 7 inch long diamond file.. since i got one.. all my other flat files have stayed in the toolbox. i was thinking of when lapping the tapered sections.. might be able to speed up the lathe and take off some of the high spots with it. just a thought.. thanks for the videos.. i worked part time on a friends 104" stevens brothers army rescue vessel that had been converted to a dive pleasure boat.. had to redo the bottom and the twin 3" probably silicone bronze prop shafts.. each one was 30 feet long with a coupling in the middle to make four 15 footers. 32x28 3 bladed props. a strut and then a V strut on each.. took a almost 2 weeks to get the shaft logs in and get the struts installed and aligned with the shaft logs..

[@howardtoob]

Just started watching your vids and they are wonderful. The craftsmanSHIP (see what I did there?) is A#1. The only issue I have was the amount of work you put in along with the cost of the material got me anxious. Then I shit my pants. Twice.

[@manudehanoi]

the shaft is longer than strictly necessary, so you have room for error, pfiew ! With the amount of work done on the shaft piling up, I was thinking that each extra operation was becomming more and more risky in terms of having to order a new new shaft in case of mistake.

[@artemiasalina1860]

It's true, the stakes keep going up the more work you put into it.

[@JamesAveyInTheShop]

Been watching the shaft straightening videos and then started to watch the African Queen on Netflix, to my surprise, they bent the shaft and broke the prop and at about 1:07:00 into the movie then they straighten the shaft and fix the prop. Fun to see.

[@JackHoying]

Nice work! I bet with the metal and labor, that cost the customer a couple hundred bucks! :-)

[@MrJp318]

I think I can do THAT! Great Video

[@scowell]

Seeing that third shaft I was scared that you had a Bozo moment... glad to see another got'er done!

[@KeithFenner]

Nice having a sample to go by or double check areas in question if any! ;{)-------

[@scowell]

OK... the unbroken (but cracked) shaft... got it. Customer picks up all three.

[@robertkutz]

keith great job.

[@AmateurRedneckWorkshop]

That was a lot of work.

[@KeithFenner]

Good amount, would like that once a month, but can't wish that much bad luck on someone else! LOL ;{)-----

[@dinohudson1432]

More prep time than work time...seems so?

[@rogerlaubhan7700]

Hi Keith love your videos. You mentioned the material the shafts are made of I would like to know more.

[@KeithFenner]

Google Western Branch Metals ;{)-------

[@johnstrange6799]

25:00 is awesome. It's like a horror film.

[@PeterWMeek]

Could the shaft be slightly harder on one side from the other? The "singing" seemed to pulse in time with the rotation (judging from spots on the shaft and the live center). Heat treating such a large object must have some variations at times. 0.310" adjustment with a chain-fall; I love it!

[@chiquinhoreydelas]

it was most likely runout from the cutter itself, maybe rubbing

[@douglasthompson2740]

Hello Keith, Very interesting project. A couple of questions. When the shaft is hanging in a sling and the table slides isn't it transcribing an arc as it moves which would mess up your horizontal set up on the table and the cut?? Also do you ever do your thread cutting from left to right when you are up against a tight shoulder with reverse rotation and the cutter turned over? I was watching Joe Pi's channel and it seemed to take a good deal of the stress off. I am sure a lot of it is what you are used to but as a neophyte thread cutter I am wondering which method to favor. I am wondering whether it makes a lot more difference in tolerance of fit when the shaft is carrying maximum torque as opposed to one that is not being stressed to a very high percentage of its rated load? I had never seen a prop lapped before in many decades around the water but most of my experience has not been with boats carrying extreme loads on the shafting. So this is very interesting for sure. Take care. Doug

[@hermannstraub3743]

This Insert you threaded with has no rake i believe. only the holder is tilted in his axis. So the steeper the pitch is, the more likely it will rub on the (left) underside. Maybe that harmonics came from this.

[@thatoldbob7956]

Hi Keith, watching You Tube for 2 years this single point thread cutting was the best, the cleanest, the easiest threading I have seen. Great job, terrific video, work of a true pro in every ways. A question: I am guessing that your horizontal mill is a 40 taper machine; am I right or wrong? I love that mill and if it's OK with you I would like to mention it when I introduce my small 30 taper mill, but with your permission only. Thanks for that threading again. That Old Bob

[@ericjohnson8482]

Was I the only one blowing on the screen to help Mr Fenner clear the smoke?

[@TheDefeatest]

great vid!

[@mjmcomputers]

Nice work!

[@cobrabuilder9336]

So what would be the total time per shaft to complete a job like this? and great work by the way. ;-)

[@KeithFenner]

couple days! ;{)------

[@johnpilagonia5238]

Would a machinist jack under the taper portion help eliminate some of the harmonics when cutting the keyway?

[@KeithFenner]

sometimes it helps, ;{)--------

[@alexsterling5186]

One thing I have never been taught is what RPM to run at when threading? Obviously the faster the RPM the faster the feed will go to maintain the correct threads per inch. IN CNC we always run a real slow pass to make sure the program is right then we go to max rpm (1200) on our lathe. What is the correct way to determine the RPM for thread cutting both manual and CNC?

[@KeithFenner]

Well I would say look up the speeds and feeds for your material, cut by your bit style and then proceed up to that with the speed of safely getting it done, if you can't keep up manually, don't go there. ;{)------

[@sjwsbetaskiller6218]

You run manual lathe as fast as you can control it (stop it and not crashing into shoulder for example). Second thing is lathe condition, so you don't want to stress ("jerk") all gears, lead-screw, etc. That's why you should operate in lower range of RPMs. Third factor is a thread finish - in new, rigid CNC this is first thing you care about. So in manual world it's a compromise (surface finish, thread geometry, lathe wear, and danger of crash). "Ideal", theoretical, calculated RPM is more suitable for CNCs.

[@RenegadeADV]

Keith great video series, I followed you from SV Seeker. I wish your videos were out there when I was going to machinists school, I am primarily a CNC gut but I've learned so much from watching you.

[@larrysperling8801]

great job. how did you arrive at the cutting feeds and speeds and single cut depth for the keyway? do you surcharge in the winter time for loss of heat? have you ever built one of these shafts without the k%t? setting up on a bridgeport even with an angle head seems like a nightmare to me thanks for all your hard work, and looking forward to the next video.

[@KeithFenner]

I run at the speed and feed of my pocket book for buying those wheel cutters and I have set up and ran shafting on a bridgeport , Sharpe and or Lagun mills, with 90 degree head, if set up is tight they do better than one would think. ;{)-------

[@83gt17]

I'd love to have a few feet of the old broken shaft to play with on my lathe!

[@KeithFenner]

The marina took back the used shaft! ;{)------

[@shadowdog500]

Heck, even the drop offs from those shafts would be excellent material for us hobby shop guys. When I had my mini lathe, almost all of my material for projects came from 3" to 6" ish long drops from the scrap bin. Chris

[@shadowdog500]

Could the old shaft be used to make a shorter shaft for a smaller boat? If so, I hope that shaft gets recycled, instead of getting melted down as scrap. Chris

[@leonardburns1780]

im enjoying your videos and thanx for sharing them ehhh

[@CatNolara]

The sound the keyway cutter makes is very eerie. Is he alright?

[@davidclodfelter7147]

Did you compare the cutter tips? Nice work.

[@KeithFenner]

Yes the gold insert showed more wear and I'll report in a future video when I get more time on each one. ;{)-------

[@robinjohansen4557]

1. :)-- Seeing your video as I comment. Like your style of machining, and enjoy the vids. Greetings from the fjords of Norway :D--

[@robinjohansen4557]

Sandvik. Qaulity! From... :D

[@MrPattara23]

Sweden ;)

[@robinjohansen4557]

Close enough for the girls I go out with :O

[@sillenHDsportster]

I´m working at Sandvik in Sandviken ! I cut the steel strings on continuous casting 81.

[@tomeyssen9674]

Outstanding!

[@met9009]

I have been wondering for some time I have never seen this done on sailboats, should they be lapped and all this good stuff too? I would think you should but wonder why the yards never seem to go into that much detail.

[@KeithFenner]

That is a combination of a few facts, between the minimum HP of drives, workmanship expectations for dollars by the marina and the squeaky pocketbooks of owners not ready to pay for extras that may not need to come into play. Not just blow boaters, a good percentage of boat owners don't think much near or below the waterline until something happens, yet if they would do shaft checks and maintenance on bearing and packing, a lot of savings and problems that can be fix, fixed. ;{)-------

[@met9009]

Well thanks for the reply, I guess if I ever end getting a sailboat again I know who I will be calling :) hehe

[@williaty]

I thought I saw tree bark outside the door in one of the earlier videos! What's that big chunk of tree doing sitting just outside the door?

[@KeithFenner]

Waiting to be hauled away ;{)-------

[@jimzivny1554]

Great job, what type or grit lapping compound do you use? Sorry if I missed it in the video.

[@KeithFenner]

Clover ;{)-------

[@banditosp]

Will there be a relationship with the installation?

[@SpencerWebb]

What grit Clover compound?

[@KeithFenner]

180 grit ;{)-----

[@loydsa]

Hi Keith, I love your video's thank you so much for producing and posting them. I appreciate that marine shafts are probably available in a vast range of diameter's but I wondered what spindle bore you needed for the shafting work you do? Presumably you only need sufficient distance between centers for turning the tapers? Best Regards Sarah

[@murphyryan1]

Hey Keith, good vid mate. When you are cutting the thread onto the end of the shaft how does it know where to engage at the start of the thread so that it cuts the same path each time?

[@KeithFenner]

Adam Booth just put out a video that explains it to the T; kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZoC5iJprZaqHnLM Cheers, ;{)------

[@teglho]

Going to be an update on the threading inserts comparison later, then?

[@KeithFenner]

Yes when I get more time, but the gold insert showed more wear. ;{)-------

[@lookcreations]

Wonderful series . Great editing and production. one question, what is 'spooning the key' ... ? certainly sure I don't want to guess the answer. Thanks very much for the inspirational work and standard. All the best Mat

[@KeithFenner]

I cleaned up a response from one of the viewers and pasted it here for you. ;{)------ 1. kzbin.info/www/bejne/lXvClWV_mKeYmas 2. www.bertram31.com/proj/tips/spoon_diag.gif 3. 3.bp.blogspot.com/-DKZe2L7l3TA/UTtIoeURHxI/AAAAAAAAC9w/jND_5zN5u2U/s1600/section+through+propeller+hub+at+centerline+of+keyway+showing+shortened+keyway.JPG Read more

[@lookcreations]

smashing, thanks for the reply, never seen a spooned keyway until now. guess I should start going back through the archive videos. All the best Mat