Kemper Liquid Profiling 101

[@ProfVonW]

Is there a published list of available tone stacks yet?

[@bobbyodell8676]

Hey man..I really like this profile. There's a new clarity that I havent heard before. I really like the way the pedals sound when kicked on too. Normally I dont use the pedals, I just find a higher gain profile, but there's something different about the way the drive pedals sound when I kick em on. Very excited for this future.

[@guidefreitas]

Are you gonna release existing profiles as Liquid?

[@Rodrigo_xt8c2]

I guess that's a "no." haha

[@root961]

I just about never play clean, but I might start after listening to these. Nice work HW - I could listen to these tones all day!

[@Rhythmanalysis]

For people who purchased your everything pack, will you make available what the tone stack settings were? That’d be awesome…! (Or just… the Tone King Falcon profile ?! 😊)

[@whiteroom2773]

Thanks HW. Any chance you could share a doc of the settings (those you can remember 😂) that you set on your amp profiles. I have the full pack and would love to be able to dial them in totally accurately 🙂

[@Rodrigo_xt8c2]

ditto!

[@Matt_on_life]

I love my kemper 😍 not letting it go, regardless of the new cool shit out there 😵‍💫

[@bobbyodell8676]

Man…so much to do! New liquid profiles, liquidizing existing ones, more “Inspired By…’, more monsters! Liquidize the AC44! Let’s hear it! I think liquidizing the power section of the various amps and tube types is definitely a future work!! Profile the world, liquidize the world! OMG dude…you gotta liquidize the EVH Performances…Lordy Lordy!

[@brysonlee3631]

Cant wait to try this out! Perhaps we can get a pdf or something of the settings included with your packs in the future? Specifically the Mars Astra and 68 PA. I've got most of your profiles, but those 2 just hit the spot and I consistently keep coming back. I'm assuming we'll have to settle with applying a generic Plexi amp model for those.

[@xs-xb4ih]

intrigued by this. i’ve played the kemper since 2014. i’ve been tempted to switch over to all the hype modelers; tonex, UA stuff, iridium, etc. but i’ve held onto the kemper, hoping for an update. hopefully this will be the answer! wondering how the kemper team is planning to keep up with other companies and their modelers

[@eisenhammerproductions8948]

I feel like Kemper has easily kept up or even paved the path for these other companies but that’s just personally taste. 😂 However, it’s insane how much they have updated an 11 year old piece of gear. Plus, I can’t think of ANY company that found a way to producer their product in more cost effective way AND THEN adjusted their prices to reflect it. They easily could have kept that information to themselves and upped their profit margins but they passed that savings on to their customers. That is just so respectable for a company. Whenever they decide that the kemper needs a sequel. I will for sure be getting one because I know it’s going to be a rock solid piece of gear that will be relevant and generously supported for at least a decade.

[@andreacolella8115]

Can you explain me how to do with bought profiles whose I don't know profilation settings..? How can I tweak high and low pots to match the tonestack behaviour if I don't know the values...?

[@francescopalmieri3821]

Browsing through your profiles you should be able to find the one you need with its original EQ values, as it was at the time you bought the profile; then just put the same settings on your saved profile

[@peterburke579]

Forgive the stupid question HW, but does this mean now you only need to release 1 profile per amp and that if the user adjusts the gain or eq knobs it’ll remain accurate to your original amp? Or do we still need 50 profiles per amp at different settings to really be accurate? Thanks!

[@Respecttheriff]

This is the big question...liquid profiling can't be "that" accurate,(or can it??) but if it could cut down a 60 profile pack to a bakers dozen or so, that's intriguing.

[@peterburke579]

@@Respecttheriff it’s funny but the reason I’ve always loved the kemper is because it’s ‘real’ capture of the tone. I’ve never touched a knob on the thing. I mean the gain knob is a joke when turning it makes a 60s fender into a line6 ‘death metal machine’. So if I don’t like the profile, it’s on to the next of 60 in the pack. There’s always enough amazing ones. It will be interesting to see if my mind can accept this ‘hybridization’ approach.

[@hockeycanada18]

That is exactly what liquid profiling will do. Cut down the need for multiple profiles at different gain stages. It will truly be like having the amp with the ability to adjust the EQ for your sound. Will be very beneficial for those that play with DI / merged profiles through a real guitar cabinet. I've tried it and I'm thrilled because that was my complaint about Kemper.

[@BadH0mbre]

So, in theory, will I at all have an easier time balancing my TJ profiles to suit either my single coil or humbucker guitars when I want to use a different guitar on any given day?

[@mefistofer]

Do you have to install a beta upgrade on the Kemper to make this work? or is it a stable release now?

[@stratless]

Sounds so much better than original! I'm wondering how one would 'liquid profile' a boutique amp like the Mzero MezzaBarba Eric Steckel amp. (For instance). What base amp would you choose? I have several boutique amps like this, that don't exactly fit the stock amp choices. Do you know if in the future Kemper will expand the stock amp choices? Thanks Loren

[@markinthemix6055]

Don’t know why l even consider or waste time looking at other units such as the QC, Fractal, Libe 6, or a headrush.

[@ToneJunkieTV]

Some real truth to this!

[@mischasmit4530]

Well, maybe because fractal has been modelling the tone stacks true to the type of amp that they modelled since day one. It has been the main reason i didn't go for a Kemper for a long time. I now like both, and love the form factor of the player. It also likes my analogue pedals, which is a big plus

[@angelzuluaga414]

Liquid Profile of the SLO !!!!

[@andreashammer2927]

There‘s a free Rig Pack with LP SLO100 included

[@adamBnEII]

Can this be done on the Kemper Player?

[@PNDA235]

Any way to get a list of settings used when you profiled your existing packs? Those of us that have a bunch (or ALL your profiles) would love to have settings (or at least what you may have) on maybe one profile from each pack so we can "liquidize" a few amps!

[@AC-pu2eh]

I wondered this as well. Without the settings the existing profiles are kind of useless with liquid profiling

[@legrandgroves8560]

Not updated my Kemper since i got it 5 yrs ago, can i just do this update and will bring the unit up to date?

[@ToneJunkieTV]

Maybe I’m not sure. You may need to shoot an email to kemper and see if you need to update to another version and then this one.

[@taylorclayton3402]

If you update through RigManager it will tell you if you can update directly or if you need to do a “stepped” update. Just do what it tells you to do. Just update RigManager first.

[@allstopblue5717]

I reached a point I can no longer do certain updates unless I have current version of Windows. Kind of sucks as I have no desire to upgrade windows. I would literally have to purchase new Windows or a new computer just to have the basic Kemper software editor. My studio setup runs perfectly on windows 8 for many years. I can’t risk messing it up just for Kemper editor

[@slashtrio]

Was considering getting a used kemper. It’s in good condition as a local music store. Any concerns about getting a used one? They seem pretty reliable and well built. Thanks!

[@noflooddamage154]

I sold mine back in 2018, bought an axefx, then traded it a year later for another kemper. It’s been running great since. The only issues I’ve seen with used kempers is the led ring around the controls going out, but none of mine have.

[@slashtrio]

@@noflooddamage154 cool, good to know. I may just get a new one. Was considering a 20 watt tube amp (Friedman) but am worried it will just be too loud for what I do and I’ll have to get an ox box and all that and it will cost a million dollars. I play at home at low volume so I want good tones at bedroom volumes. Seems like the kemper is a good way to go. Was gonna get Yamaha HSs studio monitors. I currently just use a Yamaha THR10 that sound good at low volume but wanted to step things up a bit.

[@yotabirdman]

Are you playing through that cab in the video?

[@thomasshredster4627]

hey man, sounds superb!! btw, where did you get that decal?...

[@matthewmazur1529]

Any idea when this will come out as an official release? Not sure I want to throw a beta OS onto mine.

[@ToneJunkieTV]

No idea

[@bobbyodell8676]

@@ToneJunkieTVhow can we check out the profiles you already have liquidized? If even one.

[@ToneJunkieTV]

@@bobbyodell8676 I’ll make some more, the one from this video is a free download. Check it out. I’m working on some stuff.

[@bobbyodell8676]

@@ToneJunkieTV Yes!! Thank you.

[@matthewmazur1529]

@@ToneJunkieTV given your expertise on the profiler and releases... are you confident in the stability of this public beta release?

[@AC-pu2eh]

How would we control parameters on amps such as the suhr badger that has Drive and Power knobs?

[@pedrockjesus]

Will tonex pedal upgrade to this some day?

[@mordorstudio]

Please create the Friedman 50DLX and Mesa Boogie Mark VII (already bought both, those are the best) Liquid variations.

[@ericwikman4131]

Are they billing this as the gain being more usable? Besides dialing in the EQ, does the gain behave more accurate, can we gain up/down and the profile will now be more like the amp... or is this mainly for the EQ?

[@guitartoneSA]

Gain and EQ

[@RogerBrenon]

Another thing that confuses is the germans think to cut a signal you have to turn the knob UP Clockwise. Every control in the world that uses a cut starts from 100% to the right down for a high cut just like an EQ. I thought my software was glitching. LOL

[@javierthewish]

Love that guitar

[@johnjoseph5553]

Why isn't my Kemper not have the Liquid update? I'm missing the boat

[@johnjoseph5553]

Last update Dec 2023

[@johnjoseph5553]

i found it lol

[@jayhuns8]

Yes! 🔥🔥

[@peterstang8730]

Hi HW, I did first tests with Liquid Profiles offered for free and found it amazingly good. What makes me wonder, from commercial vendors (ok it 's only one for now), I found again for one amp like 20 'liquid profiles'. Does this make any sense? From my understanding, for one amp it would be enough to have two or at least three different profiles? As you could do all the tweaking with Gain and so on by yourself. Which works from my experience quite well. What's your oppinion about it?

[@MrSlimfinger]

The snap and spank in that intro!

[@TJMonster51]

Keep note if you are using morphing, you can’t morph the gain if you switch to a liquid profile.

[@tonyg6158]

Is that a Kemper reverb or are you using another processor for that task? I get great reverbs from my Kemper but yours seems more luscious to my ears.

[@Paul-D]

But is Kemper 2 coming or do I buy a Kemper 10 years after it came out, Its a real dilemma for newcomers.

[@brysonlee3631]

If you can get a current Kemper at a reasonable price, I don't see any reason waiting on a 2nd gen that may never come out. It doesn't seem like Christoph is holding back any updates on it. Sure it's missing a touch screen and some of the io in other devices but it's not like this model will sound worse all of a sudden once a 2nd gen is released. Just my 2 cents.

[@Wasiacano]

It’s less of a question if Kemper 2 will be a thing and more so if you want the Kemper or a different modeler. For people that like to tone tweak the QC or Line 6 HX stuff seems to be a good way to go. For those that like to set it and forget it (like how I enjoy it) just finding a handful of really great Kemper profiles do the job just fine. And for small budgets the Tonex is accessible option. Also take in account the genre(s) of music you play. As someone who does higher gain brutal stuff on the side, the Kemper seems to have a hard time capturing the right nuances of those gain structures and can make them sound…for the lack of better term…Kempery?? Not terrible, but it takes more time and effort finding profiles that get it right.

[@guitartoneSA]

IMO, If a Kemper 2 is ever released it will integrate with all the current Kempers.. In other words, current Kemper owners will want to keep their old Kemper and use it with the Kemper 2. A Kemper 2 wont be a smaller version of the Stage, like a L6 Stomp or QC, it will be a new invention by Christophe Kemper, because he's an inventor.

[@Paul-D]

@@guitartoneSA hmm interesting thoughts. I have watched quite a few of the interviews Christoph has done over the years and you can tell he is not the typical corporate type. Hence it being 10 years and no new one for one thing haha

[@shorerocks]

It is like with computers - you buy when you need it, the best value for the money you have.

[@mrcoatsworth429]

I've never been very familiar with this profiling and capturing. But I have to say that I'm surprised that this update is a big deal, because I always assumed this is what the Kemper was doing all along.

[@zitfril]

QC used $1300 vs Kemper used $1300 ? What should I do?

[@jwright8838]

They still sound like Kemper profiles to me. Modeling a tone stack is great, but it doesn't change what the profiles are.

[@BobbyCulpepper.srv3fender]

Is fractal still suing kemper or did that get dropped?

[@ToneJunkieTV]

I never knew they were… seemed like cliff just talking in the forum without even looking into what kemper had made.

[@bobbyodell8676]

Fractal falling behind. I guess that’s what they get for outsourcing their builds instead of keeping them domestic like Kemper does in Germany. There’s something to that. I’m convinced the quality German craftsmanship plays a role in the amazing sound produced by the unit.

[@BobbyCulpepper.srv3fender]

@@bobbyodell8676 well I don't know about guitar equipment but as a master mechanic of 20 years, I can tell you German cars are garbage, I tell everyone I know to never buy them.

[@bobbyodell8676]

@@BobbyCulpepper.srv3fender Germans do everything right!

[@Matt_on_life]

@@BobbyCulpepper.srv3fenderthank god there aren’t any moving parts in these. That said, I think a whole country as a manufacturer of all kind of stuff isn’t a good way to establish quality. Good stuff and crap from any country that exports IMO

[@Avatar7x7]

On the latest firmware did they improve the effects ? Particularly the reverbs delays, wah wah, modulation, flangers etc...

[@guitartoneSA]

Improve the Reverbs and Delays? Are you joking?

[@Avatar7x7]

@@guitartoneSA I haven't updated my unit in over a year at least, so cut me some slack !

[@gg70969]

Nice 👍

[@RogerBrenon]

Could they make it more or less confusing by calling it a CONTROL MODEL instead of what NOT it is? damn . Theres about 14 "Control Models" as it stands now so you'll be kinda limited on control to amp pairing.

[@guitartoneSA]

40, not 14. It's an Amp Stack, why call it a CONTROL MODEL?

[@RogerBrenon]

@@guitartoneSA Because it's modeling the controls on the amp. PERIOD.

[@guitartoneSA]

@@RogerBrenon And the Gain and EQ controls of an amp are called an Amp Stack! 👍

[@RogerBrenon]

@@guitartoneSA LOL Dude, An Amp on top of a cabinet is an "Amp Stack". That's why we call em half and full stack. I think it's common sense to call just the knobs being modeled (Because that's what it is) defined as a Control Model. Knobs that are being modeled are controls. Maybe they should call it KNOB MODEL or something. It's not an "AMP MODEL" - Kemper does profiling not modeling of amps.

[@ksharpe10]

I guess we shall see it when Kemper 2 becomes available to the regular masses.??

[@ToneJunkieTV]

This is out as a beta firmware for everyone who has a kemper.

[@ksharpe10]

@@ToneJunkieTV Surprised we have not seen any other PEOPLES videos on it. But HW is mainly the fellow with the KZbin channel for Kemper, Thanks for a reply.

[@danmorrissey5725]

i've updated my amp and rm to the latest available. tried to load the new sample profiles. msg comes up - this profile was created using a newer os. avoid saving it to the amp? mystifying

[@ToneJunkieTV]

Make sure you select “beta releases” in the preferences of rig manager. Liquid profiles are in public beta release, so unless you have beta releases turned on it won’t update to the liquid stuff.

[@danmorrissey5725]

thanks. will this get rid of the 'avoid saving to amp' part of the sg>?@@ToneJunkieTV

[@danmorrissey5725]

i dropped the liquid set into rm. it said partially failed-34 profiles are duplicates?!@@ToneJunkieTV

[@MrSlimfinger]

Pop and crack!

[@ShaneKhemprai]

First

[@MrSlimfinger]

Riverdance and heroin!

[@jimmpanik3402]

I guess I'm "that guy" that doesn't care about this. My KPA has worked perfectly for me for the past 8 yrs. I think they solved a problem that didn't exist for me.

[@ironblast5]

Key words "for me" . I know I personally prefer being able to dial my tones in using the knobs by ear like on a real amp and tech like this will potentially allow me to be able to get alot closer to how an actual amp reacts to knob changes

[@MichaelDespairs]

Kemper continues to disappoint. I had hopes this would fix the inherent flaws with the unit which is the cab sim: it's extremely inaccurate and EQ's the same basic internal speaker model instead of real frequency analysis based model recreation. You can't dispute me, I have analyzed and compared input and output results with software and the Kemper is a joke.

[@andys2357]

good lord you talk too much. turn some knobs, like really turn some knobs.

[@jeremyjameslv]

Anyone else not impressed with the shrill high end of this tone

[@gmswhackos2652]

If I understand this correctly liquid profiling should give me the exact sound of the amp that was profiled?

[@luizfloripa]

Nah. The eq settings will behave like the original amp, there’d absolutely none of a cent beyond that.

[@Digitalaudiodesign]

@@luizfloripa EQ and gain will behave like in the original amp if Liquid Profiling is correctly configured.

[@tommywallberg]

What cab do you use?

[@tommywallberg]

If kemper what els would be a good choice that is smaller. I don’t won’t to break my back 😅

[@tommywallberg]

I’m would like to get on of this but there is such a learning curve that puts me off. I think most of the modelers sound soo boxy