Ken Roth - We Have It Out! Human Rights Watch Director Counters Charge of Anti-Israel Bias.

[@jonw7214]

If only the civilians came out unarmed waving white flags - oh wait.

[@EytanKoch]

What a heartless monster you must be.

[@iamthenews5624]

🤣🤣🤣

[@jfalconer174]

Oh ya

[@jimhemphill2841]

lol good point

[@ghosthunter0950]

The issue is that Hamas does the same. How do you differentiate? almost every single video THEY release they're in civilian clothing. and they release plenty of footage of them pretending to be civilians and just walking around. They literally brag about it and about trying to lure the IDF into buildings by pretending there are hostages in there with recordings. Especially when it's supposedly an evacuated area where heavy fighting started and Hamas uses those tactics, how would you manage thousands of soldiers to not make a single mistake in those circumstances?

[@asabry4126]

The entire preamble was a pathetic justification of war crimes

[@comedycellarclips]

How so?

[@bronzee548]

@@comedycellarclipsso you think it’s ok to drop bombs on schools and hospitals if there was a Hamas member there. I’m sure you wouldn’t agree to bomb if your child was in a school where Hamas terrorist were hiding.

[@bronzee548]

Both the woman and the interviewer are having cognitive dissonance. Like just the thought of them when they are close to figuring out that their beloved military might have intentionally shot those guys. Those guys were trying to show that they aren’t a threat and we’re still killed Next time you are there. Why don’t you go to the West Bank ?

[@MJMilano7]

@@comedycellarclipsput yourself in the Palestinians shoes. You will understand why they did October 7th.

[@veraciousreater2755]

What war crimes?

[@detrockcity3]

He didn’t hang up on you. He was obviously very clear about 45 minutes. You obviously took liberties with that in your planning. He warned you 3 times he was going to have to go soon, and you kept stream rolling forward instead. You behave like a child with people who besmirch the great Israel.

[@comedycellarclips]

He was scheduled for 60. It's in writing. The interview went 35 minutes or so.

[@rtam9894]

@@comedycellarclips things change, he was clear in the interview.

[@promark5317]

Youre seriously going into the comment section to argue with random commenters? Do you realize how petty and desperate that makes you look? @@comedycellarclips

[@kimiopn]

@@comedycellarclips, "35 minutes or so" when he says hello at 13:12 and hang up at 1:01:05 (47 minutes and 53 seconds). I know you add a lot of videos and comments, 12 minutes, a third of the time?? Why not just make your own video with just some 3 or 4 quotes from the guy you're talking to? It would be more honest and the title wouldn't be misleading like this one "Human Rights Watch Director Counters Charge of Anti-Israel Bias".

[@KidStarverHALVEDhisVote]

​@@comedycellarclipsyou are not only misrepresenting what happened but are delusional in your echo chamber club. Your lies have consequences that could end up fatal for someone simply because you are incapable of representing guests you disagree with honestly. Keep it up and soon you'll get no one of integrity agreeing to come on your delusional egocharged 'show'.

[@chrisgray904]

Honestly, why even have Kenneth Roth on if you're not going to let him speak? Also -- all this cutting away from the discussion with post-facto editorializing with your lay-person's opinion demonstrates that this a bad faith interview on your part. The longer this "war" goes on the more it seems like you're primarily interested in propagandizing instead of informing your audience. As a fellow Jew, let me tell you something -- you're going to come to regret your words over the course of these past few months. The evidence of systematic war crimes is overwhelming, and your insistence on covering for each and every one of these mass atrocities as separate "hypothetically" defensible incidents without looking at the plain words of Israeli leadership demonstrating genocidal intent, the totality of their actions, and the overwhelming death and destruction of this "war" is morally bankrupt. As a PR expert, I wish I had the chance to debate bad faith actors like you on forums like this. Leaving it to the lawyers and academics means bad faith arguments and logical fallacies go unchallenged, I would never let you get away with this BS.

[@wilsonmacharia6762]

Thank you for pointing the truth out 💯🔥🙌🏾

[@mronyoutube4082]

And yet another interview overlaid with supposed "gotcha" edits. You are, as I said before, a child. If you interview someone and can't answer them in real time, tough luck. I don't know how you get people to agree to do these rigged videos.

[@comedycellarclips]

He hung up in the middle of the interview. Funny that you're concerned with the process but not that his facts were inaccurate. I normally give every guest a chance to send me any links that they want to be included in the package.

[@mronyoutube4082]

I don't know of another interview show that lards their videos post-facto with "see I was right" footnotes. You clearly don't like to be talked back to. (You know perfectly well that Norman Finkelstein or Rashid Khalidi or Kenneth Roth isn't going to take the time to help you with post-production after spending an hour on your show.) Given your flat-Earther defense of the Israelis murdering their own hostages, I probably would have hung up too. There are only two non-absurd possibilities in that case: either the Israeli soldiers knowingly killed their own or they killed them because they'll just kill anyone who crosses their path in Gaza. "We don't know, because we weren't there," is simply pathetic. It's the mental (and moral) gymnastics of the true believer. I'll give you one thing, though; you happen to be right that Biden is covering 100% for the genocidal campaign in Gaza. But then so are you. @@comedycellarclips

[@dawntraveler42]

@@mronyoutube4082 Try 60 minutes.

[@davidnguyen7891]

56:42 he later corrects his statement that the Israeli soldiers may not have known that they were Israeli, but you still decided to make a another whole ass video “debunking” him when he already corrected himself. The level of pettiness is crazy.

[@Yogesh-jq9jj]

Exactly. Noam tried to shame the guy by putting words in his mouth: that he said that they shot the hostages deliberately, with full knowledge that they were hostages. I don't think this was asserted. For one thing, it doesn't even make sense. He was trying to say that they are just shooting whoever they see.

[@davidnguyen7891]

@@Yogesh-jq9jjexactly

[@comedycellarclips]

You guys are nuts. He said specifically that Israel shoots "every young man". I didn't put words in his mouth. In fact, when he made his remark about killing Israelis, I could have simply moved on to another topic. I gave him the chance to walk it back. And BTW, Gallant also "corrected" himself. Roth doesn't even acknowledge that.

[@comedycellarclips]

So why was he pointing out that they were speaking Hebrew? Either it was that they knew it was Israelis. Or, they thought it was a trap. Neither implies that they shoot every young man.@@Yogesh-jq9jj

[@Yogesh-jq9jj]

​@@comedycellarclips He said that they shoot 'every young man'. He means to say that they are not very cautious about who they shoot. If they feel even a little bit threatened, they shoot. Understandable because Israelis don't want to lose soldiers' lives (it is consistent with what we know from previous operations. Soldiers have testified that they were asked to 'shoot whatever moves'.). Now, you can argue that that policy is justified, but it is what it is. And it is his job to point out this is how it is.

[@robroy]

It must be irritating for someone to have done the reading to be interviewed by someone how doesn't do any reading that doesn't confirm their bias until after the interview. Perhaps Roth could only bare 35 minutes of that irritation.

[@comedycellarclips]

It's amazing that I get so many comments like this. How about specifics? Did he answer the questions?

[@robroy]

@@comedycellarclips the pace of your contentious interviews is awkward. When it’s someone you doesn’t confirm your bias, you interject immediately with a post recorded fact check, but when it’s someone who palled around with Jeffrey Epstein and insults a critics mother, you don’t do a fact check until another video. What’s up with that? I’ve watched several of your interviews. All I’m asking is that you acknowledge your own bias and that it may cause you with blind spots. I know I have biases. Nevertheless, certainly the side pushing a campaign to de-legitimize human rights watch organizations is the side of the impartial good guys.

[@kathyjohnson3189]

@@robroy AMEN. Dershowitz who is the one who should have been fired from Harvard years back, comes on and gets a freebee. I can't take anyone seriously who gives a pedophile a platform. And no that's not cancel culture it's basic human decency. "Oh but the powerful might be upset". Yawn who cares they are the ones who sit back while young people are set to fight wars they orchestrate from their mansions.

[@EytanKoch]

@@comedycellarclips Roth quite literally answered nothing. I do think you could have pushed him even harder on the concept of proportionality being a "judgment call". If there's a clear formula, like in order to kill a midlevel commander you are ok to kill 10 civilians, then that's objective, and every single decision Israel makes can be objectively judged by a formula. But if it's a judgment call, as he admits, a couple difficulties arise. First, what qualifies HIM to make it, even if it's "clear cut," as he suggests? Is he even qualified to determine what "clear cut" means? I'm pretty sure he's not a military expert, and even if he were, he wouldn't have been privy to all the factors that went into making that decision, at that moment, all the stresses, all the time restrictions, etc, that only a military leader actually IN THAT BATTLE ON THE GROUND could possibly know. Second, in admitting it's a judgement call, and therefore not giving a number, he was essentially saying it's soft and subjective. Well, if it's subjective, then one man's decision to bomb a military target despite civilians being in the area is another man's freedom fighter. Who can judge?

[@dawntraveler42]

@@EytanKoch British Col, Richard Kemp has written a number of articles on the IDF"s adherence to the laws of war, including the proportionality discussion.

[@MJMilano7]

Noam, you can either be an American or an Israeli. No 2 countries share the same interests all the time and what Israel is doing is not in the interests of America.

[@josefosterneck2304]

Got that right. As an American of the Jewish faith, Israeli actions are clearly adverse to my interests and security.

[@kathyjohnson3189]

Yep. The state department has clearly started that Americans are less safe around the world because of our position here.. I guess looking out for the interests of American citizens no longer matter.

[@shoaibmalik6622]

Israel is a real sin of middle east and for the world peace

[@MisterK-YT]

This is such a silly notion. Only a peabrained person can only see things in such binary terms. If there are such dichotomous issues, a person can decide based on their own logic and morality. No need to be a shill 24/7 to everything your country does. I love America, but we’ve done plenty of things I don’t support.

[@ghosthunter0950]

@@josefosterneck2304 How about blaming Islamists for targeting you and their Jew hatred despite having no connection to Israel?

[@benzolobster]

what israel is doing in gaza is equivalent to waiting till an idf desk cadet goes home to his wife and kids in tel aviv before leveling the entire apartment building and blaming him for using his kids and all of his neighbors' kids as "human shields." that you still claim israel is doing its best to minimize civilian casualties either means you're a liar or you're completely deluded beyond any hope of returning to sanity

[@manofculture584]

Hamas actually uses civilian buildings as military outposts... I know you're in denial about your beloved terrorists but that's the reality

[@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat]

But the IDF desk cadet wears a uniform that specifically identifies him as a member of the IDF and then goes to out to fight as a soldier on a battlefield. You don't need to wait for him to go back to his family, he's not hiding next to them.

[@benzolobster]

@@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat lol that doesn't even make sense, how does the guy being with his family make him more identifiable than if he's alone? psycho 😂

[@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat]

@@benzolobster you need to work on your reading comprehension, chief.

[@copiedoften5927]

What a dumpster fire this has become.

[@iamthenews5624]

🤣🤣🤣

[@YvonneDavies-i1k]

They had no shirts on waving a white flag with 0 threat! Are you so wilfully blind?

[@rachelpagano3223]

It’s so boring when you interrupt the interview to talk about your independent research.

[@julescruisecompanion]

Some reason pages like yours has come over my feed. I see how the questions are black and white, you demand an answer that suits your narrative. Listening to your questions is frustrating so the interviewees must get frustrated. You want a GOTCHA, it's annoying listening to you trying to shape your narrative I hope your stuff doesn't come on my feed again

[@comedycellarclips]

Name a gotcha question. Actually, name a question he answered.

[@chencenzhang1545]

@@comedycellarclips He answered your questions. It's not his fault that you have mental block and refuse to take in new information. For example, i think there are a lot people trying to explain to you what does the proportionality stands for and why you are actually asking problematic questions on this topic.

[@dukinhower]

Have you told Norm that he was right yet?

[@Ramonskylit0927]

The single most important discussion had on the topic. Every single propagandist sites this organization and here is the executive director of over 20 years showing the world it’s moral dishonesty.

[@grizzuh]

Genocide Denier.

[@WeFeedYourBrain]

It’s sick when a person dont see there own bias 56:10 You can’t speak to a soldiers state of mind halfway across the world the article says they shot three unarmed shirtless people waving white flags that’s pretty cut and dry You tried to put a nice spin on it though.

[@Kfarsaba56]

Its the Anti-Semite who decides which Jew to persecute. The question to Roth should the IDF - Jews fight the war identical to the way in which Arab-Muslims fight each other? Is that the gold standard?

[@WillyLoman15]

Ultimately, I think you are an honest actor. From where I'm standing, you might be naive in some areas; as you said to Finkelstein, you didn't believe the Israeli government was planning on starving the Gaza populace, and low and behold. But nevertheless, I truly believe that you want truth. I would suggest having on Max Blumenthal and/or Ilan Pappe. And in my humble opinion, if you are going to add post-edits, you might want to give the person you were debating, the option to, too. We are all people, ultimately we are all the same, so sending love during the holiday!

[@nazimbahrin3638]

Yeah, as angry as I am with the naivety, I think I understand the mindset. Imagine believing in something your whole life turn out to be something entirely different. I'd have a massive mental whiplash too. Best wishes.

[@nazimbahrin3638]

You mean by Benny Morris? Illan Pappe already refuted that. Also, there will always be point of contention in these topics. But his accounts are similar to Miko Peled too, the Son of Israel's General. Plus there's documentaries from the soldiers that committed the atrocities themselves and gleeful about it. @@rachelforshee6014

[@WillyLoman15]

@@rachelforshee6014 not to my knowledge. Where did you hear that? I’m sure there have been many attempts to discredit him, but I thought his book I read was really well researched. But, you may indeed be right. It is very hard to tell who is credible, it’s a testament to what a complex world we live in.

[@MisterK-YT]

Ilan Pappe is considered even too far left by Israeli New Historian standards. Benny’s good enough.

[@nazimbahrin3638]

It wouldn't change the facts would it now? Both have strong cases but I'd rather take Illan Pappe's moral position than Benny who justifies the Nakba since he's position is "It's us or them."

[@lau_dhondt]

This is really a vile podcast, behind the goofy comedy-cellar facade. These podcasters have no idea what’s going on in gaza, and they have no idea how unprecedented the us-backed decades of Israeli oppression is, when they lament their double standard. There is so much omission, it’s depressing. I’m repulsed.

[@nafowler]

21:56 There is a good explanation on Jonah Goldberg’s podcast by a guy at AEI about why Israel and Americans would make different choices in fighting. Agree or disagree, there is a cost to israel if they were doing things more conservatively. There is some truth in what Roth is saying that Americans wouldn’t drop that bomb but this doesn’t make it “not proportional” and a “war crime”. (At the end of the day none of us can really say anything about are crimes without a detailed investigation about an individual situation - so it is equally irresponsible for Roth and HRW to just assume war crime by the number of people they *think* are being killed). we would have done the same thing as Israel is doing in the past in the ME but at some point we became more conservative to limit civilian casualties, but the cost of that was risking more American soldiers lives. Israel is a small country and america is a country of 330 million people. They are fighting to defend themselves on their own turf. Israel doesnt have the same luxuries as we do to make the same types decisions we make.

[@iamthenews5624]

59:21 We weren’t there 🤣🤣🤣

[@FaridFarid-xf6jt]

The interviewer threw America under the bus to go hard for Israel. Sheesh!! Is the interviewer American or Israeli?

[@MJMilano7]

They do this all the time. RFK, and the whole Republican Party, they paint the American military as barbaric and evil to make Israel look better.

[@comedycellarclips]

Nobody threw America under the bus? I wasn't criticizing America, only demonstrating the HRW bias.

[@FaridFarid-xf6jt]

@@comedycellarclips they were real quick to tell us a bad thing about America. I have never seen this show. Is this person American or Israeli? He sounds Israeli.

[@ikke2757]

This was your worst interview! Cringe level 10000!

[@chencenzhang1545]

Add some reasons, otherwise you are Hamas troll.

[@benjamingoldstein6298]

No need to go back and edit the interview. Just have the conversation and post it as is.

[@boatbutch]

its very arrogant to declare in complete ignorance of the tactical options and strategic picture the IDF is presented with and tell them when they should have risked the lives of their troops in a particular situation. And I don't know this guys story but Im gonna go out on a limb that he has never served in the military.

[@shahfa]

Since you like hypotheticals a lot, I wonder what would you have to say about Israel dropping 2000 pound bombs on a major hospital in Tel Aviv that had credible reports of Hamas inside it or had built tunnels under it? Would you be ok with that? I believe Aaron Mate had put a similar hypothetical to you and you seemed not to understand what he was saying. Having had some time to think about it, would you say it would be proportional and moral to drop bombs in that instance to kill Hamas and destroy the tunnels?

[@alphalstr-v3h]

Incidentally, this is Roth answering on the Article 51 question: Israel's asserted a right of self-defense under article 51 but my understanding was that article 51 doesn't afford an occupying power right of self-defense against people it's occupying so Israel would have a right to a police force to restore order but not necessarily a right to respond militarily I think that was also the assessment of the UN special rapporteur what do you what do you make of that assessment? I've heard this argument I think it's completely wrong because um it's like people have never heard of a civil war you know it just imagine a civil war you don't even need to think of an occupation but just you know a country where there's a rebel Force um you're allowed to fight back you know not necessarily just using police Powers you're allowed to fight back Army to Army combatant to combatant when it's a war and there is a basic question do is rise to the level of an armed conflict but once it is an armed conflict um you get to assert the right to self-defense you get to fight like a military not just as a police force so I just think these are people who kind to get caught in some you know kind of technical of Law and they lose track of reality of course Israel can respond militarily to a military attack

[@notimportant8806]

Noam's insistence for an appropriate range of civilian deaths is ridiculous. It's not as though saying 25,000 civilian deaths is unacceptable is somehow a tacit admission of there being an actual acceptable figure. As though saying 2000 is a a more preferable number. What is rather does is illustrate the brutality of Israel's response. It calls into question their strategy of both Israel's response to Hamas's attacks as well as their strategy of minimizing civilian casualties. Has Israel taken into consideration every possible route to protect civilians? When civilians do die, it must be investigated the factors and variables that led to their deaths and if these deaths were unavoidable. When taking into consideration Israeli actions and rhetoric, it seems as though civilian protection is not a priority. So when Noam asks what difference does it make whether a 2000lb bomb is dropped versus the use of ground troops when there are going to be civilian deaths anyway and any number of civilian deaths is unacceptable, the answer is assessing if the same threat (Hamas) could be neutralized without causing as much collateral damage.

[@iamthenews5624]

56:12 I can’t! 🤦‍♀️Do more research!!! Roth is right!!! 🤭

[@iamthenews5624]

This interview is comedy gold 🤣🤣🤣

[@sek3ymisek3ymi]

noam is doing a fantastic job in these interviews , just finished the "ambush of a historian " . palliwood folds at the slightest of questioning . keep up the great work in seeking truth .

[@Macro-Mark]

Comedy cellar? COMEDY???

[@YvonneDavies-i1k]

Can you imagine not believing your own eyes!!

[@SpaceOfAids]

How do you edit out mistakes in phrasing but somehow not notice the audio being fucked for the last 25 minutes?

[@leonidkrimsky954]

There is no way someone can know if a strike was proportionate without knowing the IDF’s reasons for it. All these pundits like Ken Roth are just speculating. It’s very dishonest on their part.

[@MisterK-YT]

True

[@detrockcity3]

Every tyrant and thug says they’re being victimized by overly expansive rights and unjust laws. Standard operating procedure.

[@md85aus94]

I watched about 5 interviews you guys did on israel after being enraged by my first time seeing norman finklestein on piers Morgan and seeing the vast majority of support in the comments section of that video. I now see how the entire system works.

[@Salamwamat]

Here are my few brightening comments: 1. If the Jews were in Gaza, then the Arab state of Palestine would not allow it to exist for one minute. Assuming that the state of Palestine was strong, then all the Jews would have been thrown into the sea and all history would have been different. 2. Today's reality is not normal - Israel supplies its enemy in Gaza, an enemy that declares and makes every effort to destroy Israel, with water, most of the electricity, and most of the civilian needs (imports/exports, food, medicine, etc.). No other country in the world’s history has ever done this. Israel is not obliged by Geneva covenant nor by International Law to do this. More than the legal and moral stand, Israel is not the only state that borders with Gaza. Gaza has a border with Egypt. So why don't the haters of Israel complain against Egypt, which has no any dispute with Gaza as well? They downplay or hide the fact that Gaza also has a border with Egypt. Hence, even if there was a complete Israeli siege, and not just a siege on their terrorism, Gaza would not be under siege. This indicates more than anything the fraud, double face, charlatanism, moral corruption, disinformation and anti-Semitism of those who support Islamic terrorism against a democratic and Jewish state, with the claims of people's freedom and self-determination by those imperialists in the name of Islam. 3. Gaza did not import weapons, explosives, rocket launchers, chemicals, grenades, landmines through Israel but through Egypt, while their soldiers and junior officers on the Rafah border turn a blind eye or even help them smuggling their stuff. It is also likely that they did this with the help of senior officials in the Egyptian government. 4. Your thought experiment is a one-way drawn in advance, in your absence of ability to examine the facts in reality. The Jews never repented of their desire to destroy their enemy even if conducted with bestial spirit. Even the Amalekite massacre did not lead to the destruction of the Amalekites, but only to their subjugation in battle, the elimination of the Amalekite terrorists and the looting of their property. And that was 3000 years ago. Today, most Muslim Arabs are influenced by extreme Islamic circles and hidden cells and an extreme interpretation of Islam that strives to impose Islam over the entire world. Israel is only a sample and primary test case of this Islamic deception. If Israel is defeated because of the Islamic Jihad, then it will strengthen its power and increase its efforts to take control of the remaining territories of Dar al-Kharb (Harbدارالحرب, ), which is defined by Islam as the war zones held by the infidels (all those who are not Muslims). 5. I take into account that Israel has the further right to destroy every terrorist in Gaza and everyone who supports them, a primary moral right that is also anchored in international law. Islamic terrorism did not begin with Hamas, nor in 1967, neither in 1948, nor did it begin with the first intifada of 1920-1. Islamic opposition to any non-Islamic political entity began with the birth of Islam in the early 7th century AD. Since then, Islam has been the greatest imperialist political apparatus in history. A handful of Arab tribes around Mecca and Madinah have, since and until today, succeeded in conquering and subjugating practically and consciously more than a billion human beings from North Africa to the Philippines and from the Caucasus to Central Asia. And beyond that, it sends branches of organized immigrants to settle in the strongholds of democracy in the West. They are preparing enough potential power to subdue democratic regimes when they further will decide to act. 6. Today's position of turning one's back on Israel, which is fighting for its existence, is a betrayal of the principles of the free and sovereign life of human beings and the peoples who are free to live on their land in peace and security. Any person who advocates for freedom, harmony and brotherhood who works against Israel is actually working against himself, his principles and his people. 7. That is why we, all those who seek freedom and truth in the world, must unite and stand by Israel, express it with words and operative decisions. All Western democratic countries must unite in an top organization that bypasses the UN, which has long been hijacked by totalitarian and criminal countries, some of which are set the tone by the Islamic bloc of 56 Muslim states. Only a democratic organization free from colonial pressures can lead the world to a better, secured and happier future.

[@le_rayon_vert]

I agree with Phil Klay's recent article, but I think your opening statement here is very compelling and contains a lot of truth - far more than we see in what passes for serious analysis on the pro-Palestinian side.

[@aaronsmirl]

I'm fascinated by this host. I'm hate watching right now.

[@iamthenews5624]

38:02 Death by 1000 cuts? 🤣🤣🤣

[@robertcampomizzi7988]

5:09 Hamas got their chance. They sent rockets at Israel. Im glad I started observing this conflict since the 90s, so i dont have to guess what is true and what isn't. How much does Hamas pay Finkelstein??!??

[@ghosthunter0950]

His claim on the usage of dumb bombs 29:00 shows how either dishonest or ignorant he is on war. the dumb bombs aren't GPS guided themselves but they're guided by the aircraft's systems release at certain points and to hit specific targets and it's quite accurate.

[@jamescooper1702]

How does any Western commentator know how many miles of tunnels there are under Gaza ??

[@kdnick8584]

Diallo was shot 41 times, hit 19 times by 4 cops.

[@quintwolf7185]

Your comment at 3:58 about hamas not building bomb shelters for the Gazans is actually in line with international law, because it is the responsibility of the occupying force, in this case Israel to provide bomb shelters to Gazans, not hamas. If you do not like it there are 2 options, change international law or have Israel not occupy Gaza. Then the Israeli government would have no responsibility under international law under the responsibilities of an occupying force to provide those bomb shelters.

[@dawntraveler42]

Israel is not occupying Gaza. Israel unilaterally left Gaza in 2005 and was governed by the Palestinian Authority until Hamas won its election in 2006, and then completed taking control with its coup in 2007. Since then, Hamas has had the responsibility to govern Gaza, and it has. Its fighters patrol Gaza as its police, its judges serve in Gaza's courts. It's teachers educate its youth (for better or worse), and its Imams lead prayer services in the mosques. Perhaps instead of building hundreds of kilometers of military tunnels, Hamas could have looked for ways to protect its own population. But Hamas has publicly stated that it does not care for the civilians of Gaza and that they are the world's problem.

[@manofculture584]

What occupying force?

[@sinatra222]

Wow, Kenneth told so many lies! Nice joh calling him out - keep up the good work.

[@russellhare3110]

His position is that dropping the bombs isn't the way to minimize casualties, soldiers on the ground would be less civilian casualties. But you're right that he didn't answer why the report on Iraq pointed out the mitigating factors of perfidy but not the one about Israel. Or address your concerns of bias against Israel. Idk that he was being disingenuous (could have been, can't tell just from this interview) but the conversatin got pretty defensive in both directions, you both interrupted each other and were talking past each other at certain points

[@terriej123]

The reason he focuses on war crimes & the laws of war, is because that’s been his lifelong work. His job is to focus on just that. He’s supposed to coldly examine the IDF’s actions & not try to come up with justifications for them. It’s the IDF’s job to defend their own actions. Anyway, he didn’t do a good job of explaining any of this, but the laws of war (aka international law) was developed after WWII in order to avoid the atrocities that had been committed. There are answers to your questions of proportionality, but he just didn’t answer them.

[@shepherd1938]

The interviewer should question himself. He’s going to ridiculous lengths to justify what Israel has been doing. Good for you, keep living in your bubble, which is going to blast one day.

[@LeonardoTrujillo]

Noam just wants to believe the IDF so much, and I am sorry to say since he is not very bright or understands these issues very well, confuses his own ignorance with serious doubts regarding the facts as they are are, and the conclusions that Roth and others reach

[@zebulunashcroft6623]

I don’t like how rude Noam is to Periel (no idea how to spell that) all the time…

[@milestackettmusic]

I really admire your consistency and diligence. This was absolutely the right thing to do. I appreciate it and I can understand Finkelstein being enraged over it. I really appreciate what you’re doing here all around.

[@1czechit1]

What was done to Norman is what he does to others. I do have a question about the statement that his mother was offered to be block leader. People were not allowed to say no, and the people picked were terrible people. So I am confused. Still Norman keeps using the holocaust as a political tool while claiming others do it.

[@robertcampomizzi7988]

17:23 rocket launchers (for 1 example) this man fundamentally misunderstands Article 57 of the Geneva Convention(IV)

[@EytanKoch]

30,000 bombs. Half of them “dumb.” Some of them 2,000 pounds. “One of the most densely populated areas on earth.” 20,000 dead. Each one a tragedy, no question. But given the above numbers, I’d imagine the death toll would be much worse. One bomb isn’t even killing one person. Doesn’t seem like indiscriminate bombing to me.

[@pablomejia9436]

Pathetic and dishonest attempt to win the argument after the discussion is over. And even beyond that, it´s amazing to hear someone make every possible effort to defend the mass killing of civilians.

[@Meru112]

Noam, just want you to know that your podcast’s in-depth coverage and historical analysis and debates have been incredibly enlightening and helpful in me understanding the Israel-Palestine conflict. I really look forward to each video that comes out. Thank you!!!

[@danasaid1502]

Bad faith all over with the Noam

[@Ken-sx6sl]

I disagree with so much that you say but totally agree with you about tweeting reports he knows to be outdated or inaccurate. It is outrageous!!

[@comedycellarclips]

I appreciate you saying that. There would still be much in the report that people could fairly use to criticize Israel. HRW undermines its credibility by tweeting reports that refer to Goldstone and other matters that are indisputably no longer accurate or defensible.

[@chencenzhang1545]

@@comedycellarclips Please check your fact before you present it. There is no such thing as retraction of the Goldstone report. The official name of the report is the 'United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict,' conducted by four experts, including Goldstone. After the publication of this article (51:30), the three other co-authors issued a joint statement collectively affirming the integrity of the report. Additionally, Goldstone himself clarified that he only suggested reconsidering one correction. He is not seeking to nullify the entire report; everything else, except for the correction, remains valid. So the accusation in this part is also invalid. The Goldstone report remains a valid reference, as affirmed by the collective stand of the three co-authors and Goldstone's clarification. what i said is easy to verify, don't invent facts to serve your narrative.

[@charlesbalcher173]

The lady working with the host, (I don’t know her name, was extremely sensitive, intelligent and brought out many pertinent opinions which helped the host focus on the topic. I would love to hear her do her own podcast on a similar topic. Well done to both of you!

[@philbobstreehouse4900]

Dumb Dworman

[@1mahban]

It's really telling how much you're struggling with your blind support for Israel right now. We will accept you when you change your mind. Don't worry.

[@BuddyCBuddy]

your audio is only mono

[@Kevin-qz4eq]

Why does this guy and actual hamas spokes people act equally as squirrely during a tough interview?

[@russellpass3211]

You guys do great work. Please keep it up.

[@Salamwamat]

South Africa, Gaza crime, backwardness, and support of Islamic terrorism Here is the truth behind South Africa's position and its support for Islamic terrorism, also against its own interests. Read and understand that this has nothing to do with the Arab Israeli conflict at all. South Africa economy is crashing, crime is skyrocketing, and corruption is celebrating, so in the run up to the expected near spring elections the government is diverting voters' attention far, far away to Gaza. This spring, South Africa will go to general elections for the parliament, where the ruling African National Congress party has an absolute majority (230 seats out of 400). This movement founded by Nelson Mandela as the main body for the struggle against the apartheid regime, and which has so far won all the election campaigns since 1994. But now, for the first time in three decades, her rule is in real danger. And these are the facts: the real income per capita in South Africa today is significantly lower compared to 2008. The GDP per capita (adjusted for purchasing power) for 2023 is $6,091 (Israel $54,997). In 2010 it was $10,300. Unemployment reaches 33%. About 58% of citizens live below the official poverty line. The government debt is inflated and the budget deficit has risen to 8% of GDP in recent years. The epidemic of corruption is widespread at all levels of government, as revealed in the report of a special commission of inquiry into corruption and bribery cases at the top of the state. 80% of South African citizens are convinced that its regime is fundamentally corrupt. The number of murders in South Africa soared in the past year and reached an unimaginable rate: 45 murders per 100,000 residents, compared to six per 100,000 US citizens (and 1 per 100,000 in Israel). In terms of crime rates, South Africa ranks third In the world, violence is rampant in the family, in schools, in public places, in the neighborhoods. The top of the African National Congress party is extremely worried about the upcoming elections. According to its internal polls, it may win the support of only 37% of the voters, mainly due to the low participation rate, while the leading opposition party ("The Democratic Alliance", DA) may reach 27% of the votes, and seize power with the help of a bloc formed with small parties. This is a government that has chosen to serve Iran's interests and is helping it spread Islamic Jihad while hoping to gain some financial support. In this way, the current South African government is helping the Islamic extremists in their war of extermination not only against Jews, but also against Christians in the world. This government is on the wrong side of history. Its support for Iran and its affiliates - Hamas and Hezbollah, encourage global jihad and the harming of innocents, acting also against Christians in Africa. Iran supports the jihad wars that are spreading in Africa and causing more murder and flee/refugees that some escape to Europe and the Americas. This is a government that has betrayed its citizens and does not promote quality of life, improving living conditions for its citizens, accelerating the level of education and industrialization, improving academia and agriculture - all those issues that Israel can help them with, like she helps dozens of backward countries in the world. The UN and its institutions are also corrupt organizations. The UN has become a threat to the free world and democracy. Its institutions have been 'hijacked' by non-democratic states promoting agendas against freedom, peace and prosperity. Out of 193 countries, only 84 are defined as 'free societies'. How can it be that the Human Rights Council includes countries that do not embrace human rights? The bias of the United Nations against Israel is clear and reflected over the years in a number of decisions, when countries such as China, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Libya, Somalia and the like are protected by the United Nations and its crimes are ignored. So, what are they looking for in South Africa? They are looking for an issue through which the corrupt government of South Africa can try to divert the public interest and the focus of the discourse on the elections from the inside chaos, poverty, crime and corruption in the country, and transfer it to distant Israel which is fighting Hamas. The live television broadcasts on South African channels from the sessions of the International Court of Justice in The Hague are supposed to serve this purpose: to raise the profile of the ruling party in the eyes of the local electorate, to curb voter flight and to maintain the absolute majority in parliament. What's more, the Democratic opposition party, which already controls the third largest district in South Africa and the 3rd capital Cape Town, is not ashamed of its pro-Israel positions and declares it proudly.

[@avinsurgentes]

You should get Sam Seder

[@AlexanderSparrow-fb6mt]

hi dad

[@DiffQ_Bro]

Gulf war? C'mon man.26:00

[@jfalconer174]

I would trust a group called human rights watch

[@piruz3243]

I'm not taking sides here, but this wasn't an interview; it was basically a monolog by the interviewer. I don't think he was allowed to speak more than 10 minutes. I would've walked out too.

[@EytanKoch]

@piruz3243 “I’m not taking sides here…” Proceeds to take sides.

[@piruz3243]

@@EytanKoch Really? Which side did I take? Actually, I do agree with a lot of what the interviewer said, but I still say he was too eager to prove his points. He basically made a presentation rather than conduct an interview. Regardless of how odious you think the interviewee is, when you invite him, at least have the courtesy to let him speak.

[@EytanKoch]

@@piruz3243 OK, my bad.

[@robertcampomizzi7988]

19:35 The guy got mad when the interviewer asked him a very pertinent and very legitamte question.

[@Salamwamat]

South Africa, Gaza crime, backwardness, and support of Islamic terrorism Here is the truth behind South Africa's position and its support for Islamic terrorism, also against its own interests. Read and understand that this has nothing to do with the Arab Israeli conflict at all. South Africa economy is crashing, crime is skyrocketing, and corruption is celebrating, so in the run up to the expected near spring elections the government is diverting voters' attention far, far away to Gaza. This spring, South Africa will go to general elections for the parliament, where the ruling African National Congress party has an absolute majority (230 seats out of 400). This movement founded by Nelson Mandela as the main body for the struggle against the apartheid regime, and which has so far won all the election campaigns since 1994. But now, for the first time in three decades, her rule is in real danger. And these are the facts: the real income per capita in South Africa today is significantly lower compared to 2008. The GDP per capita (adjusted for purchasing power) for 2023 is $6,091 (Israel $54,997). In 2010 it was $10,300. Unemployment reaches 33%. About 58% of citizens live below the official poverty line. The government debt is inflated and the budget deficit has risen to 8% of GDP in recent years. The epidemic of corruption is widespread at all levels of government, as revealed in the report of a special commission of inquiry into corruption and bribery cases at the top of the state. 80% of South African citizens are convinced that its regime is fundamentally corrupt. The number of murders in South Africa soared in the past year and reached an unimaginable rate: 45 murders per 100,000 residents, compared to six per 100,000 US citizens (and 1 per 100,000 in Israel). In terms of crime rates, South Africa ranks third In the world, violence is rampant in the family, in schools, in public places, in the neighborhoods. The top of the African National Congress party is extremely worried about the upcoming elections. According to its internal polls, it may win the support of only 37% of the voters, mainly due to the low participation rate, while the leading opposition party ("The Democratic Alliance", DA) may reach 27% of the votes, and seize power with the help of a bloc formed with small parties. This is a government that has chosen to serve Iran's interests and is helping it spread Islamic Jihad while hoping to gain some financial support. In this way, the current South African government is helping the Islamic extremists in their war of extermination not only against Jews, but also against Christians in the world. This government is on the wrong side of history. Its support for Iran and its affiliates - Hamas and Hezbollah, encourage global jihad and the harming of innocents, acting also against Christians in Africa. Iran supports the jihad wars that are spreading in Africa and causing more murder and flee/refugees that some escape to Europe and the Americas. This is a government that has betrayed its citizens and does not promote quality of life, improving living conditions for its citizens, accelerating the level of education and industrialization, improving academia and agriculture - all those issues that Israel can help them with, like she helps dozens of backward countries in the world. The UN and its institutions are also corrupt organizations. The UN has become a threat to the free world and democracy. Its institutions have been 'hijacked' by non-democratic states promoting agendas against freedom, peace and prosperity. Out of 193 countries, only 84 are defined as 'free societies'. How can it be that the Human Rights Council includes countries that do not embrace human rights? The bias of the United Nations against Israel is clear and reflected over the years in a number of decisions, when countries such as China, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Libya, Somalia and the like are protected by the United Nations and its crimes are ignored. So, what are they looking for in South Africa? They are looking for an issue through which the corrupt government of South Africa can try to divert the public interest and the focus of the discourse on the elections from the inside chaos, poverty, crime and corruption in the country, and transfer it to distant Israel which is fighting Hamas. The live television broadcasts on South African channels from the sessions of the International Court of Justice in The Hague are supposed to serve this purpose: to raise the profile of the ruling party in the eyes of the local electorate, to curb voter flight and to maintain the absolute majority in parliament. What's more, the Democratic opposition party, which already controls the third largest district in South Africa and the 3rd capital Cape Town, is not ashamed of its pro-Israel positions and declares it proudly.

[@WillyLoman15]

If you are gonna add in these edits in post-production, you might want to give the person in the debate the option to do the same.

[@richardchampion8529]

I'm skipping all his edits. Such bad faith to do that.

[@detrockcity3]

@@richardchampion8529same. ridiculous. it’s like he can’t publish something where someone made his defense of Israel look dumb, so he has to dig and dig for whatever bullshit some random Israeli said about XYZ down the line. like seriously? several minute interludes inserted in the middle of a guy’s answer? the disrespect and audacity.

[@WillyLoman15]

. @richardchampion8529 ​ that's what I did. I understand why he does it, but not something I would do if I was in the same shoes

[@WillyLoman15]

. @detrockcity3 Totally agree. And his counterpart would be able to do the same thing, but they can't because it's his video. It seems in bad faith, but Noam seems like a decent guy, so he may just be very emotionally attached to the issue....as many of us are

[@benzolobster]

noam has an insanely fragile ego it's incredibly pathetic

[@flamboyentpromotions3471]

Watching the interview i can see why Noam has this monologue at the start, its because he got schooled. An on a side note what happened to the bunker buster bombs? An another question can the IDF do anything wrong in your eyes?

[@hitmanhart670]

The interview starts at 13:05 if you want to skip through Noam’s bad faith propagandistic intro

[@jeffreyrasch8596]

Your "apology" and assessment dershowiz's kapo ccusation is very Luke warm. "Dershowitz is a pathological liar and we shouldn't believe a word he says" would be more honest.

[@comedycellarclips]

Lol. 10,000 other people would have never gone to the lengths I did to clear the record on behalf of a detractor.

[@narmi218]

@@comedycellarclipsYour colleague seemed to be revelling in the lies being spouted by Dershowitz. The same guy who was very hostile to another guest, Aaron Mate.

[@KidStarverHALVEDhisVote]

Naom at Comedy cellar needs to be congratulated for that lengthy, detailed apology. Don't think I've ever seen anyone do that. Naom cares, that much is very evident.

[@EytanKoch]

@jeffreyrasch8596 Are you effin kidding me? Noam didn't have to spend one second apologizing. That he did it just shows that Noam is a gracious guy trying to figure out what is real and true even if it means going against his implicit biases. How can you not recognize that?

[@edoblaauw4561]

@@comedycellarclips you did good. It says a lot about Dershowitz though because he says this for years. And it has been debunked for years.

[@lau_dhondt]

Hey Noam, in all these apologist arguments you have concocted, are you ever gonna discuss that at the basis of this conflict, there was a meticulously planned landgrab and ethnic cleansing, on which all legitimacy of Palestinian resistance rests, much more than it rests on the inherent monstrosity of their resistance fighters ? Their land was actually stolen. Since you do all these deep dives, since you pick fights with the director of Human Rights Watch, who excellently documented sadistic IDF violence during the peaceful 'March of Return' borderprotests, the random mortarfire on kids playing soccer on gaza beach, or the bullet in the head of Shireen Abu Akleh reporting from the West Bank (not a single question asked about this), yet pal around with Alan Dershowitz, it might be good to recognize at least once the reality of the Nakba as a cornerstone of the issue you pretend to examine, when you defend the use of 10 000 dumb bombs on an area the size of Gaza, under the presumption that you are being fairminded. Are you ever gonna discuss Netanyahu's deliberate policy of turning Israel away from Rabbin's peace process, from any and all 1 or 2-states solution perpetuating the occupation and building up and funding Hamas Mosks through Mossad money-transfers, but refusing to talk to them once they got elected, despiting witnessing like the rest of the world how former IRA members in Ireland metamorphosed from terrorist leaders to governing partners in Northern Ireland.

[@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat]

You realize the word "Palestine" literally comes from Hebrew right? You keep talking about "stolen land" and then you call the land by a Hebrew name. It'd be like me, a man living in "Utah", saying that the "Ute tribe are trying to steal Utah from me because the US government gave them a reservation and only let me keep half of it."

[@lau_dhondt]

@@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat yes, and the word ‘France, la douce France’ comes from the latin word Francia. Though you’re making an amazing argument, I was mainly saying that this podcast is not willing to grapple with the fact that ever since the first Isr historians (not the propagandists that talked about the blooming desert and the land without a people) got access to the 1948 archives, they gave us ample evidence of a still ongoing premeditated ethnic cleansing of what the un mandate calls ‘the land of P’ (feel free to call it what you like, there were many arab J’s living in P), as if that does not provide a very obvious logical and understandable motive for P resistance to a settlr-col project that expelled them, bulldozed their villages and occupies their land to this day. Contemporary Z’ism does not meet the shadow of the standards of áctual J values and integrity that i hold in the highest regard, and are part of the driving force behind the protests against Nyahu’s horrorshow. The J voices for peace-chants in NY central station made me very proud. Those are J values.

[@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat]

@@lau_dhondt I am certain there were and are Z's who premeditated and did such things, we all know that. Only hardliners pretend it didnt. But your side of the argument, much like the hardline Z's, try to pretend that these people have no history here and no right to a state here. Which they clearly do. This is why a 2 state solution is the only path here and only one side absolutely refuses to accept a 2 state solution, and have rejected their own state 4 separate times now. They rejected it even before the nakba happened.

[@lau_dhondt]

​@@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat That"s not unreasonable.That's all that is needed to talk peace. I agree: 2 states, and hopefully new generations on both sides taking huge leaps of redemption, forgiveness, reconciliation towards eachother, giving all their fighters retired veteran status, like the Irish did. But that's not what is happening. Right now a imo truly thuggish Isr gov is eroding internal democracy, building greater Isr through settlements and buying off US politicians to push for preemptive strikes again Ir an, and the Isr public is too complaisant in accepting this. I very much resent Nyahu, looong before oct 7, for several reasons but above all because he deliberately gave up on peacetalks (literally spoke about endless occupation in private, Isr would need to mow the lawn every decade), using every instance of resistance violence to retaliate disproportionately, he facilitated setttlements, envisioned Gaza as a disconnected offramp into Egypt. He really is the architect of the current most predictable catastrophe ever, as wrote Yossi Verter in Haaretz on oct 8. I do think that the peace talks between A'fat and R'bin should not be presented as a completely honestly brokered deal, though sadly it was still a better era than the current one, but rather as a forced deal between unequal partners, aka 'the P's were being asked to compromise on the compromises of their compromises'. It must be said: it walks, swims and quacks exactly like other versions of col'ism, which is sad, because Z'ism was envisioned as something better. Shlomo Ben Ami, who I deeply respect, admitted that, were he a P negotiator he could never have accepted what Isr was offering. Best example: the proposed landswaps on a 9 to 1 ratio: for every nine square miles settlers had illegally seized in the W Bank, Isr was offering 1 mile in a different area. That's meant as a humiliation.

[@robroy]

Nothing like providing a preamble to an interview with five minutes of post-recorded insults and then self assessing oneself as objective and unbiased.

[@comedycellarclips]

I take your point. I did it because 1. the interview was obviously so contentious there was no point in pretending, and 2. I though his answers were so revealing, there was also no point in pretending. Bias would imply that I did not give him a fair hearing, ask fair questions, or cherry-pick facts, etc. I was absolutely fair with him. What you are calling "bias," is me revealing how much I disagree with him.

[@robroy]

@@comedycellarclips I never recall any contentious interview by John Stewart or Trevor Noah beginning with anything other than a brief biological induction of the guess. They don’t go back in post and insert a bunch of insults. They came prepared in order to counter the interviewee’s points in the middle of the conversation, or they follow up at the end with a fact check. When you do it at the beginning, it’s essentially saying, “watch me own this libtard.”

[@kathyjohnson3189]

@@comedycellarclips Noam this was revealing but it was more about you than him. It's frankly childish. Are we to believe all interviewers should act in bad faith now and "fact check" people on the INTERNET and then publish it after the fact as some sort of gotcha. Israel should be judged by the same standards the US should have always been. Our own country(that is the US right Noam not Israel) committed war crimes on many occasions and no one calls the US out. Maybe it will finally happen. The world order is changing. And the US can either adapt to it or use it's war machine to destroy anyone who disagrees and kill more innocents in the process. When China "appears" to take the moral highground you know you are in trouble.

[@chrisgray904]

@@comedycellarclips You don't like that the facts aren't on your side, so you went cherry picking for (context free) information to make your case. So much of the objections you have to the international human rights community's consensus that Israel is violating IHL is attitudinal, not based on any well reasoned understanding of the law.

[@chrisgray904]

@@kathyjohnson3189 People absolutely called out the US for its war crimes. Do you not remember the Iraq war, the Bush torture program, etc? Yeah -- quite a few people took issue with all of that.

[@asshowl]

Noam: "Gallant didn't call them human animals!" Ken: "He did. Watch the clip." Noam: "He didn't! I can play it for you!" *Plays a clip of Gallant calling them human animals*

[@judahjayson684]

😂😅😅😅 This is very funny

[@snoopcelev1590]

He was referring to hamas and it's pretty obvious.

[@kimiopn]

@@snoopcelev1590 , of course because the blockade only affects Hamas, everybody knows that.

[@snoopcelev1590]

@@kimiopn sanctions against Russia affects all Russians, so?

[@Zomgtforly]

@@snoopcelev1590 so the blockade can only affect Hamas. Everyone else can teleport through it easy. The lack of sense from people who are online is astounding. No, he wasn't referring to Hamas, unless only Hamas needs food, water, electricity, and shelter. Those are things YOU AND I NEED. I guess we're a part of Hamas too, huh? How incredibly demonic.

[@aldissi79]

Would you allow this kind of rhetoric about your mother to air? Why didn't you bring Dr. Finkelstein again to respond? This speaks volumes about your show and the person you represent.

[@comedycellarclips]

Finkelstein was supposed to do the show again. He asked us to prepare clips for him to respond to. We did a show "a response to Norman Finkelstein'". He then cancelled at the last minute and compared me to a Nazi propagandist. It speaks volumes, but now about me.

[@aldissi79]

@@comedycellarclips You still did not answer. Why did you allow the insults about his mother to air? It is onething to take sides supporting Israel, but to allow someone's dead mother to be at the receiving end of insults publically just because you disagree with him is low. Close your eyes ... look at your mother's face ... Would you allow anyone to insult her in public? Finkelstein will have to respond to your claim about canceling his appearance at the show.

[@JED254]

@@comedycellarclips Well Finkelstein isn't wrong

[@EytanKoch]

@@comedycellarclips That's truly a shame. I was looking forward to round 2.

[@FluffyPants_MR]

@@comedycellarclips You seem to have no issue with post-production edits. Why not afford Finkelstein a chance to respond in the Dershowitz segment? This is a repeated issue in your work - allowing obvious misinformation, slanders and defamation to stand unchallenged unless it suits your perspective to challenge them.

[@davidnguyen7891]

The standards are very clear Noam. They're called the Geneva Conventions. They may not be clear to you or to Israel or to the United States, but it's clear to every other nation and and the majority of the people around the world.

[@nazimbahrin3638]

Yup, it seem absurd every time there's a UN resolution that the rest of the world would want a ceasefire and only US and Israel consistently vetoes against. Once that logic doesn't compute pro-Israeli will straight go to the holocaust and the rest of the world is anti-semite card.

[@thegratefuldeb2269]

you must not have watched the interview

[@user7512]

The standards aren't clear at all actually, David. If you want to go by the Geneva Conventions, I'll entertain you. The Geneva Conventions does NOT prohibit the use of bombs even when civilians are present. In fact, the Geneva Conventions also leave it very vague - it doesn't give a strict number of civilians, instead what it says can be summarized as, "If the attack is expected to cause a loss of civilian life, which would be excessive in relation to the military advantage anticipated, then the attack would not be lawful". You can point to the Geneva Conventions all you want but they too leave it up to subjective pros and cons and it's therefore completely valid question for Noam to ask the LEADING HRC FIGURE, probably the one person who should be able to anser these questions, what that subjective line is for him. Perhaps try learning more about the Geneva Conventions before you invoke it and completely discredit your point.

[@nazimbahrin3638]

Watched it and watched several dozens other interviews plus lectures on the subject by people like Ilan Pappe, Noam Chomsky, Gideon Levy, Gabor Mate, Miko Peled and Prof Norm Finkelstein too. Also, testimonies from ex-IDF soldiers from Breaking the Silence. Still believe that Israel commits war crimes.

[@thegratefuldeb2269]

@@nazimbahrin3638 wow so you watxhed all the people who are against and hate Israel? I've also watched ALL of those people and lectures. They are biased at best and radically anti Israel to point of advocating erasure of the state of israel. Your not smart for listing all the JEWS that are anti Israel. Don't you find that interesting 🤔 Israel is treated unfairly. 15 in resolutions in one year and other countrires like Iran and North Korea have one. That is just one example of the double standard. And lol it's another Jew that is head of the most anti Israel bias. And the break the silence - I've watch it too .and we can say there's a horrid situation but not decide Israel is inherently racist. Without understanding the massacres that the Palestinian Arabs have been doing to Jews since before Israel even existed- the Chevron massacre go explain that - there's been killing on both sides but unfortunately more often then not maybe 90% of the massacres were started by the Arabs. Then when Israel became strong and used it's military might to occupy there hostile neighbors over the years of no solution to the violence and terrorism there's a terrible human crisis to those individuals and it's horrific. I truly mean horrific. The status quo needs to go. But. I don't blame Israel. Even for the inhumane treatment that happens. I don't agree with it and It needs to end. And agree there govt in power isn't keen on it and I don't blame them. Who would want to empower a group bell bent on your destruction . Or do you think they're are all taught peace and rainbows? There's systematically taught to hate and not only kill but ASPIRE to kill Jews. Make peace with an enemy like that. Give them a state. Give them an army. Why the fuck would they facilitate another Islamic regime? Does it take away the problem of the occupation no it doesn't it's a fucked up problem. Anyone who blames Israel completely is in my opinion a Jew hater. Its the only explanation to focus on Israel more than other countries who have done way worse things -who ARE currently doing way worse things but don't get world wide protests. Tell me you hate Jews without telling me you hate Jews

[@quinnebben2608]

Noam’s mental gymnastics to deny a genocide are honestly pathetic. The definition of an apologist for immorality

[@comedycellarclips]

I'm kinda sick and tired of comments like this. Why not just tell me specifically what I said that was factually inaccurate or illogical... Roth avoided every basic and fair question. He got his facts wrong. He even defended tweeting out inaccurate reports. And you're attacking me?

[@chencenzhang1545]

@@comedycellarclips 1.He responded to most of your questions and follow-ups, but somehow, you seemed to overlook his answer. I believe that's the main reason he is becoming increasingly impatient. For instance, when you asked, 'How many deaths are proportional?'" 2.The report is very accurate. you are lying to yourself.

[@quinnebben2608]

@@comedycellarclipsyou’re rationalizing why it’s ok to drop 2,000 pound bombs on babies seriously listen to the words coming out of your mouth

[@arijanabelow1283]

​@@quinnebben2608thanks ❤

[@harrynewhof3165]

@@comedycellarclips No need to respond to straw man arguments like those.

[@sammyalmashat229]

Your insertion of lengthy after-the-fact rejoinders throughout the final edited video, without an opportunity for Roth to respond, is patent intellectual cowardice. This was supposed to be a debate.

[@comedycellarclips]

We normally ask all guests if there are any links or factual matters they want included or corrected in the final package. Roth hung up on us, but we are emailing him. We are EXTREMELY concerned with fairness and accuracy. If you want to alert me to anything that is inaccurate, please email me at [e-mail].

[@bronzee548]

Lmao. Imagine not allowing them to have statehood. And have a military. In turn they have to have a resistance group within civilians. Then you come around and say oh, we have to commit war crimes because they had targets within the population (when that’s the only chance they have at fighting this belligerent occupation)

[@detrockcity3]

Right.

[@griffia]

or they could have accepted state hood the multiple times it's been offered and they never took it. and got other arab nations try to wipe israel off the map too

[@josefig842]

EXACTLY

[@christophgriener9852]

​@@rachelforshee6014Who gave Iran to whom? It's the Persian homeland for thousands of years!

[@hb98678]

​@@_5_675Israel offered Palestine a chance at statehood in '48, as long as Palestine was cool with Israel annexing 56% of their land. What an offer!

[@MisterK-YT]

Don’t let the comments get to you. If there are some that are objective and not bias-fueled, then great - take them to heart and consider them. But I see plenty of comments here that are basically just anti-Israel people who will seek something to criticize you for because of their own bias.

[@WillyLoman15]

In addition, I think it's worth asking yourself, what if everything was inverted? What if it was Israeli Jews in the Gaza Strip, and Palestinians decided how much water and electricity's was allowed, would you still have the same position? Ask yourself, honestly. And from what I have seen of you, I sense you will give yourself an honest answer. I understand there is a long, complex history, but don't let that obfuscate the thought experiment. How would you feel if the people in Gaza were Jews? Jewish militias used force and violence as a means of fighting said oppression, and Palestinians then bombed them literally to the Stone Age? Would your position be consistent? I think it's something to consider.

[@comedycellarclips]

You're not precisely correct because as we know, they depend on Israel for water and electricity due to their own corruption and cynical strategy. But of course, it is unbearable to see one's own people suffer. I don't dismiss your point. And honestly, I find it unbearable to see these people suffer. War is unspeakably horrible. And of course, Hamas has hostages and promises future 10/7s and has put all their targets under civilians. This is a horrible horrible situation. My beef with Roth is not that he wants the war to stop. Many Israelis do too. It's the blatant bias that is clear from the interview, and the evidence I produced.

[@bronzee548]

@@comedycellarclipswhen they build structures to get power in Gaza, Israel bombs it. So I don’t think how they can be blamed for that.

[@harrynewhof3165]

@@comedycellarclips Before Oct 7th, what percentage of Gaza’s water and electric supply came from Israel? And why do they never seem to run out of rockets? In regards to your thought experiment. Jews were placed in ghettos for hundreds of years in Europe, improvised, and not allowed into most Job sectors. They had program after progrom which ended eventually in the Holocaust killing 6 million out of 9 million of the Jews in Europe. I am yet to hear a single instance of Jews there killing innocent Germans, and the majority of the Jews supporting that afterwards.

[@narmi218]

@@comedycellarclips well they don’t have to depend on Israel for water and electricity. The problem is that Israel does not allow them to have their own power plants and water supply. It’s exactly how Israel wants it as the occupying power. Not due to their cynical policies what on earth are you talking about.

[@WillyLoman15]

@@comedycellarclips thank you for the thoughtful response. A segment of what you wrote is kind of my point; humans have an intrinsic need to advocate for “their own.” That is one of the reasons we have survived for the past 200,000 years, but it is unfortunately also one of the main reasons we are destroying ourselves. I don’t doubt this sincerity of the sadness you have for the tragedy that is happening in Gaza right now. But, that omission that it is “unbearable to see one’s own people suffer” is something I don’t know everyone would identify with. Maybe, that i is partially a result of being in a position of privilege. However, I am curious, in general, how Zionists would feel if everything was the inverse. If China or Iran had a crippling blockade, on Tel Aviv, that had lasted close to 20 years, would you not understand a savage and violent response? I don’t use the word “understand“ as a means of justification. Indeed, there is a stark difference between justification and explanation. Nevertheless, I think it is important that we put ourselves in our enemies shoes, on an individual basis, and globally I strongly believe, if we are going to survive as a People, empathy needs to be one of the most highly respected virtues. And again, I am not insinuating you don’t have empathy, but there most certainly are degrees of empathy. So, I’m asking, would your position be identical if everything we are witnessing in this conflict, was the inverse of what it is now? I hope you keep producing these debates/interviews, I think it is fantastic content. I may disagree with you on this topic, but I respect your willingness to talk, and, indeed, listen. If you have recognized my handle, I am guessing you do see that I have taken issue with the post editing’s. But, I still like the Contant you have put out in the past two months. I dictated most of this message, in case it is jumbled in some parts.

[@Yogesh-jq9jj]

This interview is so idiotic. The interviewer wants the Human Rights Watch to treat every incident of bombing or shooting as if it is happening in a context-less environment, that the Human Rights people need to be very, very careful about drawing conclusions. But if that were the case, and if the benefit of doubt needs to be given to Israel in all the cases like Noam wants, no Human Right report can ever get written. We have a history of Israeli soldiers giving testimony in the past: about how they were asked to shoot 'anything' that moves in Gaza, we have the 'Hannibal directive' which was used on October 7th: Israel tried very hard that Israelis be killed rather than being taken hostage. Given all this information, if you find that Israeli army ended up killing three Israeli hostages, what would you conclude ? Wouldn't you conclude that Israel is doing once again what it has done in the past: 'Kill anything that moves' ? Why doesn't Noam accept this ? That Israelis don't care about Palestinian lives. He can argue that they don't want Israeli soldiers to be taken hostage or to lose lives, and this is why they are behaving this way. This is why they are bombing Gaza, and shooting liberally during ground operations. But then you would have to admit that Israel is committing war crimes in Gaza. War crimes would be acceptable to the world if you are fighting an enemy like ISIS. But it won't be acceptable when you are fighting an Islamist militia avenging occupation, disposession and a brutal economic blockade. This article cites many Israeli military sources, who clearly say that Israel is targeting civilians deliberately, that it is deliberately making Gaza inhabitable. www.972mag.com/mass-assassination-factory-israel-calculated-bombing-gaza/

[@hg_rebase]

He asked in the entire history as well. A little bit weird he can't name a single instance at all. Or can't explain how he can make the determination of weighing civilian loss to military advantage when he has 0 insights to the military side. Little bit of a clown showing from Ken here

[@Yogesh-jq9jj]

@@hg_rebase 'He can't name a single instance at all ' This makes no sense. He said that there are a lot of bombings. Of course, some of them are clearly proportionate, one can't be sure about others because there is very little information coming out from a warzone. He is pointing to cases which are clearly disproportionate, because those are the cases that is his job to criticize. How can he name which bombings are proportionate ? He says there are many bombings. His job is to point out which of them are disproportionate. 'How he can make the determination of weighing civilian loss to military advantage when he has 0 insights to the military side' How can he give you a fixed formula ? These are subjective interpretations. You have to take many factors into account. He did try to clarify. He can't tell you whether it is okay to kill 100 civilians to take out 1 Hamas militant. It depends on how important the militant is, how densely packed the area is, what the accuracy of the information about the Hamas militant actually being there is. And so on.

[@nazimbahrin3638]

Because just like Israelis, pro-Israeli Americans have been made to think that Palestinian lives don't matter. That's why in mainstream media, 20,000 Palestinians "dead" is a statistic and a collateral damage plus Piers Morgan calls it a moral quandary, whereas 3 Israelis "killed" is an accident and still the fault of Palestinians for making the IDF do so plus the same Piers calls it a tragedy.

[@hg_rebase]

​@@Yogesh-jq9jj- I'm not sure I necessarily accept the premise that they do somehow come up w/ subjective opinions on disproportionate bombings, but then are simply given the leeway of not identifying a single instance where they investigated and determined that: "even though some civilians died, it would not fit humanitarian law.". It sort of paints the opinion that Human Right Watch considers 1 civilian death a violation, regardless of whether they say otherwise. Or maybe not even bombings; Any military action at all; That sort of hints a certain bias (be it small or big) with how the org conducts their investigations or atleast how Mr Ken Roth engages with them.

[@Yogesh-jq9jj]

@@hg_rebase This is not how it works. First of all, there is no human rights report yet. They will visit the place and write a report after getting inputs from all the sides. Some of their people must be in Gaza right now. They will collate information, and write all the facts of the matter. They will give their opinion as well based on these facts. Right now, since he is not at the spot, he is making a judgement based on what is being reported and based on past IDF record. Note that when the shooting of hostages took place, he pointed to an old report where such incidents are detailed. That's all he can do right now. He can't tell you which bombings were proportionate because: 1. They are not important and won't be reported. 2. The total number of disproportionate bombings and the total deaths they cause gives you a measure of what percentage of deaths occured during those bombings. That gives you a measure of whether in general, disproportionate bombings caused widespread damage to civilian life. So, I don't even see why one would need to keep track of those kind of bombings. If you want to prove that these organisations consider even one civilian death as being disproportionate, give me an example where this claim was being made by an organisation. Did they outrage about an incident involving one civilian death ? Otherwise it makes no sense.

[@aaronwellman55]

Noam, you’re lucky these folks even come on and debate with you given how incredibly bad faith you are with your guests with opposing beliefs. I mean this is just pathetic.

[@josefosterneck2304]

Thanks for showing the raw Gallant footage. After calling people human animals, Gallant unequivocally says "we will eliminate everything" and "Gaza will never be what it was.". He also says there will be no fiod electricity etc. His vile comments clearly extend to the Gazans in general.

[@DeepstateAgent357]

yeah I was so confused Noam showed that to “prove” his point that Gallant was only referring to Hamas. Noam just hears what he wants to hear, like every zionist

[@ryangee6754]

Yea but he did mention Hamas in there somewhere so there you go! See? It's only against Hamas !

[@Zomgtforly]

@@ryangee6754 They got an IDF guy to follow Hamas members and specifically slap their groceries out of their hands, and cut the power to their homes only. Everyone else is safe, obviously. Those 8,000 dead children were aaaaaaaaall members of Hamas. I have to say I'm being sarcastic because there are so many commenters here that believe some of this crap I typed.

[@CalebRox]

"Human animals" is an expression in Hebrew which means "savages". And btw, Gazans are savages -- clear to anyone witnessing what they've done on 7/10, how they cheered the events and their grand history of terrorism.

[@doobeedoo2]

Why would I click this after I saw the Comedy Cellar guys hit Khalidi with Hannity type gotcha questions I do not know, but I did and it was just as awful.

[@comedycellarclips]

You definitely cannot name a "gotcha" question we asked Khalidi. That's absurd.

[@chakir348]

​@@comedycellarclips you're sick mentally how low you can get to keep the justification of a textbook genocide

[@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat]

@@comedycellarclips I hope you see this comment, I just want to say I find it deeply disturbing how people are behaving towards you in this comment section. This feels like watching a cult turn on their next sacrifice. It's really extremely disturbing. You're doing a great thing and I don't know how you have the patience for it.

[@prizmajeno]

such a descent into darkness... this will be thaught in schools for sure! having a genocide committed by Israel and demanding empathy for its soldiers

[@fallond3165]

Soldiers that openly post themselves proudly committting literal war crimes on social media

[@mrjoemiles]

There’s no way this is good for the comedy cellar brand

[@comedycellarclips]

Why? We have on people from every side...

[@mrjoemiles]

⁠@@comedycellarclipssure, but it’s not really in good faith. Either way I’m not judging you or your opinions or even this show, purely commenting on how it affects the brand.

[@cuicita]

Yes, but when you have on the likes of Dershowitz, you observe a respectful silence while he's speaking, whereas when you have on people who are critical of Israel you shout them down, you shout them, if not into submission, then into forced silence. A bit like the state of Israel. Your show is like a little rhetorical state of Israel. Hem them in. Shut them up. Don't let them breathe. You're perhaps starting to notice that most of the world objects to that procedure. @@comedycellarclips

[@rev909a]

​@@comedycellarclips 😂 - I'm pretty sure getting yourself on a bunch of informal BDS lists is somewhat sub-optimal.

[@iamthenews5624]

@@comedycellarclips🤣🤣🤣

[@asabry4126]

I'd be embarrassed for you if i thought you had any shame

[@Oring573]

It's wild the comments here that don't recognize what Noam is trying to elucidate from this interview. Ken Roth has no spine and refuses to acknowledge any of his bias. The point of discussion that more tons of bombs have been dropped than the civilian casualties shows that it could not be anything but targeted bombing. Anyone familiar with explosives knows what 1 ton of bomb can do in a dense location. The fact that 25,000 tonnes of explosives on the Gaza Strip since October 7, equivalent to two nuclear bombs. And let's say only 25k casualties is unbelievable. Think of the casualties in hiroshima and nagasaki.

[@KidStarverHALVEDhisVote]

The numbers don't yet include those buried underneath the obliterated buildings - a number exceeded incidentally in under 3 months by the Israeli American bombs when compared to the structural destruction of Germany over a number of years not months!! But why am I even bothering saying any of this on a site committed to its own delusional form of 'logic'. I'm gone.

[@YvonneDavies-i1k]

😂😂😂No one more devastated than the soldier? Please spare me your wilful blindness.

[@zigzag2162]

Brain Of Normal People:🧠 Brain Of People Who Think It All Started On October 7th:💩

[@adaptiveagile]

Finally, someone calling out the double standards of these hypocritical anti-Israel organizations. Huge respect to Noam.

[@LeonardoTrujillo]

Noam also thinks that bombs only destroy peoples life's if they blow them to pieces, not understanding that if someone looses their home, neighborhood, city, that is ALSO a CRIME against civilian populations

[@rtam9894]

Ok serious question, this is reaction to whats proportionate. If 20,000 people killed doesnt amount to genocide then whats the number? 100k, 500k, 1m, 2m?

[@extrafine1318]

genocide isn’t defined by numbers amount of causalities

[@dawntraveler42]

It's not just a question of numbers but intent. Realize that on October 6th, not a single bomb was being dropped on Gaza, not a single tank or Israeli troop was in Gaza. Not only were no Gazans dying, but they were receiving life-saving medial care in Israel and Israel's government was working on ways to double the number of Gazans getting work visas to enter Israel for employment. By contrast, on October 7th, Hamas managed to deliberately slaughter over 1,200 people, while attempting to murder another 3,500 in just over six hours committing atrocities such as rape, torture, and mutilation along the way. Had the IDF not stopped Hamas, its forces would have continued to try to murder as many more people as possible. After the invasion, Israel warned Palestinian civilians to flee Gaza city, pointing out spaces of safety, and then waited three weeks before invading to dismantle Hamas. That Palestinians face a combat zone is due directly to Hamas decision to built its military infrastructure intertwined with Gaza's civilian population. That not a single member of the Arab League or OIC was willing to accept a single Palestinian civilian speaks volumes, especially when compared to the millions of Syrian refugees accepted during the Syrian civil war, and millions of Ukrainians who fled Putin's invasion. If Israel was truly intent on genocide, then it could have turned the entirety of Gaza into a parking lot in under a week killing every last one of the more than 2 million Gazans.

[@benzolobster]

israel is now starving gaza in earnest. norm finkelstien was of course unfortunately correct. doubtful noam will ever have the mindfulness to recognize or courage to admit he was wrong

[@37tohgr464]

I respect Mr Dworman for the way he conducted the interview with Finkelstein. I also think the interview with Khalidi was more or less bearable. But this interview was utterly ridiculous. Why are you having these conversations when obviously your sole goal is to ascertain yourself that your stance is absolutely correct and everyone apart from you are biased haters of Israel? Apart from the fact that it is utterly disrespectful to your guest who (unlike you) is an expert who has been doing research on the matter for decades, it starts to get boring and pointless. You may as well remain in your own bubble and talk to Dershowitz so you can go to sleep feeling at peace because Dershowitz has confirmed you are on the morally correct side of things. But don’t pretend like you are being self-critical when you actually aren’t.

[@iamthenews5624]

The fact that you have done your research and you have spoken to the experts.. and you are still trying to square the circle that is Israel… is literal comedy gold to me ! More of these wildly combative interviews!! Loves it! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣