Kenny Veach M Cave Contradictions - Original Video Breakdown with Timestamps

[@blindpeer]

Good breakdown! This video/channel seems to be one of those very rare good KZbin-algorithm recommendations. Subscribed. :)

[@Midnight-Cabinet]

Thank you! I'll be doing more videos related to Kenny Veach in the future, just need to figure out how to improve the audio quality.

[@princememphis7726]

3:17 on your second point. Just because he didnt enter in this specific point, didnt mean he never has before.

[@Midnight-Cabinet]

He might have, he does claim to always enter every cave he finds. He didn't enter any of the ones in his video though.

[@bibilopez849]

Kenny had been there before so he knew those other caves weren’t caves at all. Just because you find contradictions on his wording doesn’t make you an expert on his truth.

[@princememphis7726]

2:10 on your first point, he said a gigantic M. Not a gigantic cave. Hes speaking "gigantic" as in the "m" you see right here in script. This isnt a contradiction. Just your misunderstanding of what he meant

[@Midnight-Cabinet]

Still, in my opinion 5.8 - 6 ft isn't gigantic. Later in his video he calls it a funny looking little cave.

[@Bluegastank]

I'm 55 and I've been all over the Mojave desert my whole life mainly on dirt bikes and we never forget where we are at and we often nickname different places if he went out there so often to that area he wouldn't forget. He kind of seems like a bser to me. I've never seen any caves in the desert bigger than the ones he's already showing and most of them are old mine claims and they all start to look the same after you've seen five or 10 of them

[@Midnight-Cabinet]

Thank you for your input. I've never had the chance to visit Nevada but from what I could learn, there's no giant deep dark caves where he hiked.

[@Midnight-Cabinet]

The photo in the thumbnail was taken by me, in a real cave in my country - showcasing what an actual giant cave looks like from within. I realize that the mic I'm using sounds awfully quiet. I will try to record my next video on a different microphone if I can.

[@JGanes]

@3:21 Kenny walks past the same exact spot that another hiker was at 5 years ago (as seen in his video). So to say nobody would be there is wrong. His video CONTRADICTS your assumption. The mine where started his video in in Wildhorse Pass. That's also where his phone was found.

[@JGanes]

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[@JGanes]

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[@JGanes]

Sean Horlacher's video titled M Cave Cover-Up is the video.

[@Midnight-Cabinet]

Thank you for your input.

[@LaughDragon]

THERE'S NO CAVE. He was obviously looking for views on his channel. Area 51 DOES NOT have opening you can just "find". He would have been able to find it easily, considering how often he hiked that area.

[@Midnight-Cabinet]

But he didn't go near Area 51 and never claimed it was around it. It's more than 50 miles away from Picture Canyon where Kenny hiked.

[@JustIn-mu3nl]

Saying not entering a cave he was filming is a contradiction could be wrong, he may have already entered it beforehand, but these kind of statements may not be literal, rather an exaggeration of the truth. I think the gigantic - little difference might have to do with context and/or one formal and one casual expression. Finding a cairn didn't sound unusual when he referred to it, maybe it's not that unusual to find in that area, especially if native people go out there and do their thing. I'm from Australia and Aboriginals go on walkabout and still do a lot of activities in remote locations. Not being able to find the location again is strange, especially how often he seemed to be out there and he stated it was easy to find previously. It's a curious story. Where is that cave in your country, it looks interesting?

[@Midnight-Cabinet]

Thank you for the feedback. The possibility of natives placing the cairns had slipped my mind. A day after I posted this video, I remembered that some of the hikers who went out there found (research) equipment, such as the Joe May Guzzler - the cairns might have been built by people working in the Desert Wildlife Range. As for the cave - it's the "Devetashka" Cave near Lovech, Bulgaria. Part of the Expendables 2 movie was filmed there, and there's a poster of it near the entrance. Accessing the underground sections is restricted due to it being an active bat colony.

[@JustIn-mu3nl]

@@Midnight-Cabinet No problem, maybe one day the cave or Kenny will be found. That cave looked nice, I'd like to see it one day. I've seen a couple in this country and one in Cambodia where they built a monastery inside.

[@abuzman123]

I especially like your observation about Picture Canyon and Nellis AFB. If the cave is near Nellis AFB I would probably not look in Picture Canyon. Picture Canyon is in the Desert National Wildlife Range which is 42 km or 26 miles northwest of Nellis AFB which is on the northeast side of Las Vegas. I would not call that near because they are separated by 26 miles of very dry and rugged terrain. It has occurred to me that Kenny may have regretted mentioning the cave and is diverting attention away from the cave’s true location. Where ever he is I wish him well if he is alive. If he is not, his memory will live on with thousands of YT viewers.

[@Midnight-Cabinet]

Yeah, 26 miles or so in brutal terrain like the high desert of Nevada is far from "near".

[@fryingpanhead8809]

Number one, 'gigantic' is relative. Most caves in the western US are not that big. A 'deep' cave with a 5'8" opening IS 'gigantic'. Number two, those three little caves were pocket caves, and how do you know he never entered them on previous hikes? He lived in Vegas and hiked that range many times. Mountains are ON the ground. The side extends down all the way to the path. Hence, in the side of a mountain, as opposed to a hole in the ground. 'That' cave did not 'startle' him. He saw it was a pocket cave and didn't waste his time walking up to it. He doesn't waste time 'entering' pocket caves, since you can already see the rear. Most people in MY country, when they think of cave, think of something dark with depth. Like a cave on Gilligan's Island. He 'enters every cave he sees'. An indentation or pocket cave is not a 'cave' in that sense. Picture Canyon is not 'difficult to get to. It is well-known and well-hiked. You can get stranded ANYWHERE in the desert! He already had to be airlifted off a mountain after he blew his leg out once, according to him. At any rate, they have air extraction, which you can call, and get airlifted out. It's expensive. But better than dying. Maybe the cave was 'hidden' in the sense that you would not see it walking along the wash, and had to move beyond some brush to find it. Now, I'm sure you have zero understanding of our military, deep state, CIA and whatnot and how they lie to us. The place is RELATIVELY close to Area 51 ( I suggest you read up on that before you opine further). And I feel certain you've never heard of microwave weapons. They would cause the feeling Kenny claims he had at the 'hidden cave'. Personally, I don't care if Kenny was lying or telling the truth. Since English is not your first language and American culture is alien to you, debunking what you think you've debunked was easy. That's nine minutes and 59 seconds of my life that I'll never get back. Plus the time wasted with this comment.

[@Midnight-Cabinet]

Noted. We seem to be in disagreement, and that's fine with me. As the saying goes - maybe the truth lies somewhere in the middle. But same as you say I can't know if Kenny ever went in those caves, you can't possibly know my connection to or understanding of the States and how Uncle Sam lies to his own people. When I can, I'll see what I can find out about microwave weapons. Personally I don't believe the military had any involvement with Kenny but I could be wrong. Peace.

[@jefcla1172]

Nevadans would call Picture Canyon, "near" Area 51 because it takes 50 miles to get anywhere else once you leave a Nevada city. It is a huge state. And Area 51 does not always refer to Groom Lake itself, it sometimes refers to the entire restricted buffer. That buffer begins only 3 miles west of Picture Canyon. What adds to that Area 51 angle is the fact that they wanted to extend that border to the east only one year after Kenny but not before Kenny. That alone nags on my mind of not being a coincidence. They want the public out of there.

[@jefcla1172]

Maps showing all of this are in my channel.

[@Midnight-Cabinet]

@@jefcla1172 Thanks for the clarification. It makes more sense now, knowing this.

[@DeneErbe]

The whole hike was à B S

[@JohnMcMahon.]

I’m not trying to disrespect Kenny here in any way but if you look at his other videos, he doesn’t seem the sharpest tool in the box, if you know what I’m saying. I mean, he was trying to bring a toilet roll holder onto Sharktank, which is a tv programme where people show millionaire investors their new inventions that are going to make them rich. I mean, a toilet roll holder? I think Kenny had financial difficulties and some sort of personal problems at the time of his disappearance. He has either killed himself or faked his own death. Unfortunately, I think it’s the first one.

[@Midnight-Cabinet]

Kenny had a house to his name that he was trying to sell in a strange way - basically looking for a handout so he could keep living in it and managing it as he wanted. He never struck me as a genius. That on top of the glowar bear and toilet paper holder submissions for shark tank. Personally I don't believe he offed himself, he's not presumed dead yet. There's been some occurances to suggest he could have been alive up to a certain point, like the 2018 store break-in. I guess until we find him, dead or alive, we can only share our theories. Thank you for watching =)

[@4y5vethgergtfdhb]

I'm sorry, but you are splitting hairs and your "contradictions" are thin at best. Do I believe him? No, he told a story and got called out on it. He had a screw loose and went out there to get lost. That is exactly what he did.

[@Midnight-Cabinet]

Fair point. Thank you for your time.