Hot Garbage - MH500 Wood stove from Quechua

[@MrDonkov]

The smoke happens when you are not using it properly. First you need to get the stove to the working temperature. Then the second combustion happens, only then add the cooking pot. Keep the fire going by adding the firewood slowly. It will smoke very little or not at all. I made a short video about it, it can be found on my channel.

[@BushCampingTools]

I'd have to disagree here with you and others that say/suggest etc. that it doesn't work. I saw your vid, went and had a look at one of these and tested it out. There is a trick, well not even a trick. Unfortunately, it's not written in the manual-LOL, there is no manual- it is after all just a wood stove. Anyway one must use the lower ash tray as the lower air vent. it works because there is a large flange on the tray, so it can still catch ash and provide a variable gap for air intake. Result, ZERO smoke with top hole completely occluded and complete combustion. Try it out, you might think differently about it.

[@AtomicBleach]

Have you done a video on this? Im curious as this stove looks like it would be a interesting camp stove. I think if I had this stove Id just tackweld some small 3/4" angle brackets to the top of the stove as pot supports.

[@BushCampingTools]

@@AtomicBleach Yes indeed, I've made a video, no need to tack weld anything or modify it. See my video on my channel. I won't hijack his channel to advertise mine LOL to be fair. Also check the comments from those on my channel who own it and say how good it is if u know how to use it. It will rage properly with the right fuel an using the vent 9which is actually part of the ash tray! I do not believe the presenter in the above video examined the stove carefully enough and simply wrote it off. It is actually an excellent wood/charcoal/ heat beads etc stove.

[@BushCampingTools]

@@AtomicBleach ok I changed my mind, here is the link kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6nVqaR7gtSIaKs

[@AtomicBleach]

@@BushCampingTools appreciate the link! Looks like it kicks arse when it's actually getting proper airflow. Question... Have you tried it without the ash tray? Was wondering if you could basically do a swedish fire torch in it or is there a grate separating the ash tray? Also I always carry with me a extendable pocket fire bellows fresh stoves like this you can pick them up from sites like AliExpress for basically a few cent

[@BushCampingTools]

@@AtomicBleach Hi, I forgot to say there is a special pipe included and this can be used to blow air into it safely. and also pick up and move the device. There is a grate which can not b roved and sits above the ash tray. I think if you could find a small log of the right diameter there is no reason not to be able to use it as a Swedish fire/log thingy for sure. But one can def regulate the amount of air intake from below (not through the gasifier holes of course) by moving the ash tray in ad out. I have tried the stove since this video many many times and in fact my son has been using it camping for the last 3 weeks almost non stop. I don't know what wood he is using but I have also tried it out using only softwoods too like willow a it works just as well as when I tried the following: Birch; beech; oak; walnut; mulberry; cherry; apricot and apple. I've also used pine as a softwood too but pine branches, not processed timber of course. Some of my viewers hv told me they also use charcoal to good effect and i think whilst I have not tried that, it would work very well. To be honest the WTG 380 I show on the channel is extremely good but for car camping only or a crazy day hike with someone else who carries the food LOL; this small stove we have also taken on day hikes numerous times now and to be honest it works a dream. We have another small gasifier type stove (a TOAKS) but it only works well with hardwoods of high calorific value. o I think if you were to remove the ash tray altogether it would not burn so well as one needs some sort of air regulation for it's design to work properly. Some Japanese (only in Japanese language) also show it to work very well. Finally there are lots of wood burning stoves out there, some are gimmicks, some just don't work but this is not one of them.

[@andyrr30]

And there you go it's official "one inch makes all the difference"

[@garynipp5415]

That is what she said.

[@mikedelacruz3135]

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[@renatadunkova1369]

@@garynipp5415 hhh

[@renatadunkova1369]

@@mikedelacruz3135 jh

[@steveb1972]

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[@oldbatwit5102]

I have seen a couple of reviews on this where they pretty much completely cured the smoke problem by slightly pulling open the ash pan at the bottom. Apparently this is essential. I have seen it in use smoke-free. I would personally also try not cooking over big flames but later, when it's mainly coals.

[@massivedynamic2339]

Thanks for being so brutally honest! When I initially saw it, it looked so cool that i wanted 1.

[@BushCampingTools]

It does work, u just have to know how to use it, see my vid (and no, they never gave me one, i bought it). the design is actually excellent when one thinks about how it is supposed to work. i studied this carefully before trying to use the stove in the bush.

[@avadheshmalik]

I have been using one for some time now. I found it excellent and all it takes is to tweak the airflow a bit by moving the base plate (ash tray). Also, you have to see how tall you're stacking the wood pieces in order to enable the smoke to undergo proper secondary combustion. Pretty elementary, if you ask me... I would have tried that before giving such a bad review.

[@tuomasholo]

Adding a pot rest isn’t a deal breaker for me. Thanks for honest review.

[@hansschmid3937]

hello, i am using the the Kelly Kettle Pot Support. it works very well!

[@jno5]

A good honest review, that makes your past & future reviews feel like you’re also being honest…..

[@frits1954X2]

I'm glad you bought it and tried it and shared it with us Best regards Frits

[@janvanlandeghem9749]

Ik works fantastic but you have to mod it a little bit. It needs an extra stand on top (about 5cm). No smoke anymore

[@vic2265]

I agree you werent using it correctly......It needs to draw as much as it burns while a pot is on the top so all doors and ash pans must be closed for proper airflow. I will not go so far as to say this is my first choice but most of these types require a very narrow burn vs draw requirement.

[@ericking7406]

Strange ? Mine seems to work fine, if a bit slow at first.

[@torpilo]

The stove is made to function with the feeding door closed, otherwise the gasifier effect is annulled. Extra air flow can be obtain by manipulating the ash pan. Those been said, I don't think it will be the best gasifier stove, since the conical shape isn't the best to create the chimney effect.

[@kentsurvivalgearreview586]

yeah, it didnt really perform anyway i tried.. ash pan and door adjusted, and i forgot to complain and return it in time lol

[@mountaingator001]

A good honest review...very rare to see a REAL AND HONEST REVIEW...THANKS ANDY!!!

[@zero00tolerance]

Not honest he doesnt know how to start it up, other are using it fine without any smoke

[@JaccoSW]

It's a so called "rocket stove" design with its insulated sides and side loading. Designed for burning small bits of wood (like twigs and grasses) at extra high temperatures which causes the exhaust gasses to form a secondary combustion. You are overloading it with way too much fuel like it is a standard wood stove. It's actually much more efficient than a regular wood stove for cooking if you're using it properly. The smoke is operator error on your end.

[@u4nature156]

I bought one and yes, that´s the first thing I notice, no top pan/pot support! On a positive note though, I have a Petromax FT1 Dutch oven, which is the smallest one they make, and If you buy the FT1 with feet, those feet fit right in the top feed hole but not all the way in so you´re left with a 3-4cm. gap! Perfect for air flow 😎

[@themountainmen9484]

You could not have been any fairer or indeed honest,excellent reveiw i was excited at the prospect of getting to decathlon tomorrow,then boom,its no good really,saved me a frustrating smokescreen amd a bad back carrying it lol cheers

[@kentsurvivalgearreview586]

Thanks :) yes, best left on the shelf this.. folding fire boxes all the way for me

[@rialobran]

I think the door needed closing to get more of a draw on the incoming air, it needs to burn more fuel rich in my opinion to gasify. Probably wrong but worth a try before totally writing it off.

[@gringo3009]

Another great, honest review. Thank you! I'll stick with my Firebox stoves.

[@mp-qh1um]

Love this stove unique because have air walls and an entrance in the side, there is no one like this in the market. To avoid smoke you only have to do one thing, put the pot several inches above the exit with the help of something, for me works super weel

[@danielodonnell8470]

Appreciate the honest review mate, was all for it when you unpacked it, glad I watched the video to see it working/Not working in real time. Long time subscriber to both channels first time commenter, keep up all the good footage always enjoyable.

[@cpklau]

Thank you for the nice review! And that's smoke on the water!

[@mmsbhogal290]

Thanks for your review of the product. May be they overcome this problem in their next version. Love from India

[@Craigscabin]

Coming back with a vengeance glad to see your back glad to see your feeling better thanks for sharing and looking forward to seeing more

[@wufandou7116]

I am considering to buy this stove. thanks for your sharing true experience!

[@michaelmoore8197]

Andy get three large head self tapping screws and screw them down directly on top. Should help out sir!

[@MalcolmPowder]

That won't stop it being bulky and 1.5kg, but I like your thinking

[@mudsslinger]

good honest review Kent , maybe add some sort of stove trivet , it is a cool looking stove

[@OldNavajoTricks]

Couple of tent pegs through the vent holes will cover you for a stand.

[@ChuckinSteel]

I kinda think maybe its designed to cook from coals and not an open flame like most folding or backpack stoves. Just looking at the design it sorta should be treated more like a grill. It has a ash tray so i wouldn't think it's an open flame cooker. I could be wrong because I don't have one I front of me to see but treat it like a conventional grill and see if that helps.

[@AverageJoeTrueNorth]

I like it. But i like weird odd things. I think an old stove grate top would remedy the lack of oxygen. Nice video. Have a good one. 🙂👋🏻🇨🇦

[@Thebigmanmetaldetecting]

Andy did you try running it with a pot on top and with the door closed it might burn more efficient with slower air current but totally agree definitely not for backpacking lol

[@michaelmccoy7429]

You are honest as can be. That's awesome, you don't recommend things you don't like.

[@wolfnomads]

I had one from 5 years...it very good

[@feartheduck6664]

I put a small trivet on top. It made a big difference.

[@rumax3440]

9:32 this is the moment when you had to put the kettle and see if you get the same result with smoke or not.

[@johnlennon1049]

Nice stove but if you don't like it, neither do I. Plain and simple. Love your videos too!

[@wattyler9806]

I like it. Something you would use at a base camp. We're folding is not a issue.

[@patrickevans8940]

Nice to see a good honest opinion Maybe drill about 6/8 holes on the top, 6mm and use some stainless 6mm nuts and bolts to make spacers

[@outdoorangerify]

I've got one. I used an old metal pot stand on top of the stove. And have used an old grill from a BBQ both seem to work better. Of course it's not for hiking over a few days though it is bigger than a trangia full set which is used for hiking. A similar idea is the solo stove their smaller ones obviously.

[@malsawmtluangakc2396]

Been thinking about buying this one for a month...but not anymore. Thank you. You just got yourself a new subscriber. Please do make more videos on collapsible wood burning stoves.

[@adamwright4135]

Bushbox all the way IMO

[@campbellcaraher1008]

Good review pal. Ive got an ikea hobo stove which has an aluminium plate ash tray and tent pegs for a pot rest

[@garymilnes4851]

Thanks for the review, I have been planning to get one of these from Decathlon, the only thing that stopped me was the fact that Decathlon Malaysia dont deliver to Brunei, after watching this review, Im glad i didnt get it, Ive never had that much smoke when im using my hive stove, its certainly not one you could ever think of using in a vestibule when its raining outside,

[@kentsurvivalgearreview586]

happy to help, definitly stick to a folding stove or even a normal wood gasifier :)

[@thomascronquist1604]

Thank you for your honest opinion….

[@campcookhenry]

Well now I know the term for a grilled cheese sandwich in the UK ,a cheese toastie, in a restaurant I worked at we called them fomage grille,thanks Andy

[@kentsurvivalgearreview586]

fromage grille.. love it lol, the one that makes me laugh is creme englaise... custard lol

[@campcookhenry]

@@kentsurvivalgearreview586 yep custard

[@tlembro]

Good honest review…..thank you!

[@johnhueser867]

Just pull open the ashe tray just a little, no smoke when pot is on top. The ash tray is bigger than the hole to drop the ashe - work just fine no smoke

[@mattbrown2654]

Great honest review, thanks Andy.

[@IoIo-qu2vk]

I bought that quachiba 😆 not yet tried though already feel funny about it . Anyway it look nice on my desk 😆 just as room interior item

[@piedmontsurvival8931]

Cheese toastie?!?! It is called a Grilled Cheese Sandwich sir! Also you need Kraft American Singles cheese. It’s not real cheese but I’m an American and I have to take what I can get lol. Very much enjoy your videos and because of you and Simon I have started my own channel.

[@MalcolmPowder]

Great review. Integrity is so important on channels like these.

[@mountaingator001]

AND SO RARE

[@thomasmusso1147]

A fair review 👍 .. thanks for that. That said, it looks to me, more like a little 'base camp' stove or good for staying out of trouble playing with it on the front veranda. Appears to be robust .. stainless steel so longevity shouldn't be a problem. Some tweaking regarding a top pot stand and then good to go. Perhaps not everyone's cup of tea, but then look around regarding taste and choice .. 😏.

[@kjh789az]

Thanks for the honest review. It looks good, but has not been tested to optimise the design.

[@pngsoowah]

Quite smoky,mainly due to lack of oxygen. Did notice when you lift up the kettle it seems less smoky. Well I would recommend more ventilation hole on the side wall of the stove. Correct me if I am wrong. Overall the stove looks rigid and practical.

[@netraJunkiriTheFirefly]

If there isn't any smoke there isn't any fire...smoke is where the fire is😊But with these kind of stove we expect less or no smoke at all...

[@tm-cv3qt]

Maybe little feet that flip up on the top for a pan or pot? Or as other viewers have mentioned, some sort of integrated or nest top for air flow. Puzzling. Kind of a neat looking stove tho. Thanks for the thorough review.

[@northernembersoutdoors1045]

Good honest review man. Looks the real deal, needs some little feet on the top to stop that smoke, glad you did this cause you never know, you saved me 50 quid, you never know, cheers bud

[@TheSewoodsman]

Just watched this arfter JB messaged me, I bought one last week 👍 Now modified with 1-inch bolts four of them! Works a treat 😁 Cheers fella 🍻 Se Woodsman 🌲💚🌲

[@deasy_6492]

Pull the ash try out a little bit and the fire gets more air so les smoke.

[@ol6374]

Ya meant to pull bottom trap open to stop smoke, that's why it's got a flat surface o it, to catch ash and still allow air In

[@andreicristea3807]

Sorry to say, but there is a big difference between “inefficient” and the fact that you do know how to use it properly…. You should use it with the door closed, that ensures the proper airflow and reduces smoke. Airflow can be then controlled using the tray underneath the stove. There are other videos on KZbin demonstrating proper usage, take a look, maybe they can help you. ;) Cannot comment anything on bulkiness and weight, but that could have been easily seen in the specs before buying.

[@bosse641]

Nice one. Maybe put a thin plate of some sorts at the bottom of the bag to protect it, since the "legs" on that stove may destroy it over time ?

[@mrwdpkr5851]

The sammich turned out nice !

[@sdsi68]

Needs some kind of spacer to put on top of it to give better airflow when putting pots and pans on it

[@sefismel]

Greetings from Greece The stove is excellent and safe, but I am concerned that it is bulky, do you disassemble it??

[@KE4YAL]

I like it I think with just a little bit of practice an maybe a pot trivet if might be a great stove great video thanks for sharing an your thoughts an remove the the ash pan it could draw air from the bottom to make it burn a lot hotter

[@brightantwerp]

Thank you!

[@gene_takavic57]

A fair and accurate assessment. Might be good for the kids to roast marshmallows.

[@georgemills2302]

Good honest review. Another great video 👍

[@janvanlandeghem9749]

It's a great stove but needs an extra stand of crossbar up top to cook with no smoke (or only coals).

[@kenstutchbury6361]

I have a expedition research stainless steel grill set and I was just wondering if you had that set or something similar and you could sit the smaller grill ( 125 mm X 125 mm ) on top ? , that may give you possibly enough of a gap to allow more of the flames to access your kettle and fry pan ? , Just a suggestion , Cheers , 🙂

[@docfaceful]

I like the kettle

[@bills7115]

A BIT of smoke.... Hmm looks more like one of our forest fires here in the NW USA. Kind of cute though. It seems too big or too small for much.

[@michaelnowak993]

Yes, i agree with you 100% ,too smokey!!! and doesn't fold down!!!

[@TheAngelOfDeath01]

Good review; open and honest. Frankly, it looks like a Garbage Incinerator, though...

[@grahamcliffe8672]

Doesnt it need to be twin walled to be a gassifier? it looks like its only a single wall, so it would work more like a rocket stove, but you probably would need to leave the door open. I'd be tempted to cut out every other of the bits of steel at the top thus joining 2 of the holes together. Even in decathlons own video it show it making lots of smoke

[@ChrisSurrey]

Good honest review mate 👍

[@BrianthatiscalledBrian]

Some self tapping screws all around the rim and you get a pot stand built in. Thanks for the review, Andy. 🙂👍

[@mountaingator001]

S. S. self tapping screws...GOOD IDEA

[@leecollins3592]

thanks for the review m8 but I doubt ill be trying one of those myself too faffy

[@timvos24]

New subscriber here and I want to say I really enjoy your videos. Keep putting out great content!

[@MrDefaultti]

Exactly for car camping. Too bulky for hiking in my opinion. Are the rivets same material as the stove?

[@Paddeltroll]

Thats the problem with the most Woodstoves: Not enough space for exhaust fumes. Could You try it with a 1,5cm crossbar above? I think this would show acompletely different stove... Update: I bought this stove and added the magical 1 Inch - Now it is the perfect stove: Rocket stove plus Wood gas Stove... 👍😁 Update 2: Decathlon now offers appropriate Crossbars for that Stove. They do know why... 😂🤦‍♂️

[@flembobs]

Hi, do you have a link for the crossbars?? Thank you

[@maxdca8364]

I am a little skeptical about your opinion in the sense that it will depend on the use; in my case I would buy this model in anticipation of a motorcycle trip, I have the possibility of storing it on the suitcases of the motorcycle and arrived at the camp it will prevent me from making a campfire (prohibited in my region ), would allow me to cook (safe) and especially to warm up close to my tent ... If the size and weight do not bother it is a good model I find, and for 50 euros it is not that expensive I think

[@davidlaw233]

Agreed a trivit pot rest

[@sirguy104]

Good review.

[@merlinch4256]

I also thought about a pot lifter when I saw the smoke. Maybe adding 3 screws/bolts (protruding around half an inch / 13 mm) onto the top could do the job. In French, they say its conception limits smoke's production (yes, until you put a pan onto its top :-D ). I saw this stove in a Decathlon shop and found it, exactly as you say, heavy, bulky and quite expensive, for a made in China device. So I didn't buy it, and do not regret that :-) My decision was already made as I saw the thing, before you video. Thank you for your honest review. ATB.

[@stanbewick2685]

Excellent review. Cheers.

[@marcomcdowell8861]

When you closed the feed door it looked like it radiated serious heat minus the flames. Would it smoke as much without so much airflow?

[@najmuddinf]

Nice video Mr. Andy🤗

[@cathrenstewart9377]

Shame it's not a great design, looks good. Thanks for honest review of this.

[@MHarenArt]

How do you think it would be if you set a screen on top of it and used it to heat a small tent? Maybe not overnight, but while you are just sitting in it before retreating to a sleeping bag and blankets for warmth???

[@Shadow_Wraith]

Bit too smokey.

[@sammuddel7751]

Honest review

[@willhall291]

Hi, could you cut the universal tool in half and rest them on the top to space the kettle away?

[@TheCambridgeCarper]

Love an honest review.👍

[@alexandergutfeldt1144]

Looks like it might work to heat an open top tipi ... but since you can't cook on it. => hot garbage I agree!

[@johnhoward7298]

If You could vent it , it would heat a snall van or camper . If You had two steel bars 1/4" thick that would span the top of the stove , should vent it & eliminate most of the smoke .

[@davidlaw233]

Did you end up making a trivit for it.

[@BP-bo7mm]

You did common mistake with gasifying stove. You shoud load it with a lot of small pieces of wood ant start fire at the top and do not open the door.

[@chuckrf1502]

I saw the title and thought "oh, stir fry!"

[@jaykay8570]

Time to get out the drill and make some holes on the sides and a hacksaw to the top! Car camping-- taking my Coleman suitcase or Optimus 111b. Anything else-- this is just too much bulk.

[@AncientHermit]

One of those longer legged round stainless wire trivets might well transform this item, as long as the legs fit in the top hole and then rest on the smaller flange inside. I bet it would go from zero to hero if that would all work out. Given the price it is a great shame that it is the way it is. Good honest review, and thanks for it Andy.

[@johnmcphee2201]

it will be good for keeping the midges away

[@andrewarcher880]

Hi Andy, great review. Can you do some experiments with it to see if you can improve the efficiency, maybe cut some of the dividers out between the slots? Or start by putting a pot rest on it?

[@Keepingthefaith72]

I would just put 2 small sticks underneath the kettle to lift it an inch or two .....