The War Within Class Tier List! ...Based on Fun! | World of Warcraft

[@MWarfield]

Totally love how you focus on FUN instead of the damn meta and "performance". I just play to relax and have fun 😊

[@reheatedpizza7292]

how a GAME should be played...

[@fpsoftdev]

The outlaw gunslinger ranged combo class suggestion is fantastic. I would play the hell out of a gunslinger class that could dual wield pistols or shoot a rifle

[@PrimarchRoboleonFrenchyman]

My fav build in GW2, double gun + sniper in the back

[@beezkneez8918]

Your rogue take with doing soo much and nothing at all at the same time is on point as someone who plays an outlaw.

[@axelotl86]

Assassins feel the same. It’s like writing a phd thesis to do okayish damage. While other classes have like three buttons to do double of that.

[@The_Kephas]

Feels bad man

[@powerplay074]

Assasin is pretty easy and rewarding spec opener is lenghy but fun. Definetly not 123 like ret. But damage profile is very good and high damage overall. Pretty much in m+ meta with good survivalibility and mobility. Raiding is also very solid as assasin

[@purgatoriolamosca]

​@@axelotl86Nah skill issue Assa pumps hard

[@philphilly9654]

Rogues peaked in Legion. Just my opinion 👀…

[@vanigliacarogna6962]

Your ui is very cool, I particularly like the unit frames with the portraits

[@SHoffman0428]

Are you playing on a handheld like Steamdeck or something or is that just your UI from an Addon?> If so, can you show what add on or customization you did for your UI? Looks clean

[@captain_context9991]

@@SHoffman0428 Addons.

[@kevinc8955]

I am NOT a martial artist and monk is the most fun. The whole mastery of WW not repeating moves, the mobility, the animations. It’s all top notch.

[@tylerkalczuk7102]

just wanted to say i love that this is not a numerical tier list and more based in how it feels, i also think it is so cool that u can play this flashy ass game and adapt while having vision issues thats so cool :)

[@PraiseTheRoof]

I came back to WoW during Dragonflight like many others. I had always played Paladin but as a healer main, I wasn't really a fan of the combo-point playstyle. When I came back to DF I mained a disc priest at first and had a lot of fun with the whole healing through damage playstyle. As I heard about the fistweaving Monk build I had to try it and I've absolutely fallen in love. Fistweaving is the most fun class/spec I have played in an MMO in years, if not ever. The insane mobility, the sick monk animations and healing through your damage, everything about it is just pure fun.

[@The_Kephas]

That's awesome! I think Mistweaver is going to be the next new thing that I try. It's been one of the most recommended classes to me.

[@Troynex]

@@The_KephasWhat is a good / fun Tank? I want to Play a Tank for the First time

[@FlintlockFreddy]

I share your sentiment about the rogue. The only class that never grew on me and I fully subscribe to the Idea that Outlaw should become a gunslinger. right now there is only a single class that can use Guns, Bows or crossbows. Isn't that strange?

[@goettee5430]

Monk main here and you have good taste my sir

[@Aikuchi]

Your UI looks much cleaner than mine. I'm so jelly. I also love levelling, but only have seven classes at max level for now. Working on the remainder classes.

[@zachellis2395]

Your channel is so underrated. You’re amazing dude, your channel deserves so much more attention. Thank you for helping keep the community healthy and positive❤️

[@FiletLeon]

I agree with this, 9000%. Always look forward to watchinng and listening while I get some work done lol

[@JojoSherrill]

I've mained monk Since MoP, tried them in the beta and knew that was the class I was waiting for. The dash they added after the roll was such a nice Quality of life change

[@The_Kephas]

I wish more people would give Monk a chance. It's such an underrated class!

[@bl1tzcraft]

@@The_Kephas unfortunately wow is all about playing the meta classes these days and monk has always historically been a poor class in raids

[@xenogear88]

Monk and shaman are my goto classes since Legion too. Yes, I love to suffer

[@mikeoxlong3676]

​@@The_Kephas the class is fun but it feels weird being a night elf brewmaster. Nothing about night elf culture and brew master meshes together. Feels weird. Making an entire class revolve around a race seems like it was a bad idea.

[@Kolby3185]

@@mikeoxlong3676 night elves don’t drink beer?

[@MkJ-n4j]

Dude, show us how to install this interface/overlay exactly like you have that looks awesome! Make a video for player who are new to this game!

[@ElevatedLevetator]

Dude i love your energy, so excited😂 and o agree with almost everything you said about all the classes, my list would look very very similar

[@mbvx7]

I agree with everything you said. I would probably switch Evoker to A tier. I tried it for the first time and I find it really fun to play.

[@yesteryearr]

Definitely agree with the Slice and Dice with the Rogue. Always felt weird to have to always have that popped

[@CharlesTersteeg]

i'm currently enjoying a survival hunter and assassin rogue. the balence druid does look neat to play, it's on my todo list after a few more alts get attention.

[@The_Kephas]

A lot of people feel that Balance is too simple, but I think that's something about it that I like. That and how it looks and feels. I am also really enjoying Survival right now.

[@Nokomak]

In terms of the combo points you look at it wrong.. don't think of your actions being done to build up combo points, think of the combo points just being a cause of your main skills that you'll likely open with anyway. And suddenly spender skills become satisfying chunky skills that feedback and enable you to use your basic skills. At least mostly for outlaw. Let the points work for you. And slice and dice.. it'll become a natural upkeep as you play when you get it.. especially trickster gives you a great carrot with hidden blade. Snd allows you to have a chance at auto attacks resetting the cool down on hidden blade. So you can snd at 1 point then 2, 3 etc. But just whenever you don't have anything immediate to spend on dump on snd. You don't always have to max your points. Kidney shot is acceptable on 3 points. Snd.. any point. Between the eyes you do have to get at least 6. You just gotta learn the flow. Assassin is more about pressing whatever you want.. you can optimise but you don't have to care. Subtlety is a lot more of planning ahead and burst then kite.

[@wowyersmart]

I've only just started playing again, and just dinged 80 on my WW. So far it's my #1 of fun of the one class I've played!! Gonna use your tier list to gauge what to try next : ) love your energy, new sub for sure!

[@TonyJ1776]

Ever since they took Combat Rogue and made it Outlaw Rogue I have wanted them to introduce a "mid range" gunslinging rogue, Survival Hunter almost plays like that especially in PvP.

[@SomeGuyFromUtah]

I've always liked combat rogue... I wouldn't want them to do away with that playstyle for a ranged, but other classes get 4 roles... honestly Sub and Assassin in terms of the class "idea" are pretty much the same anyway right? Just one has more gimmicks and the other does more damage. They could maybe combine those, bring back Combat as aoe melee, and make Outlaw more range oriented.

[@The_Kephas]

@@SomeGuyFromUtah I think that's a fair take. I get people enjoying that Combat Rogue playstyle. Your suggestion works just as well for me!

[@markfeathers]

After watching this, I tried Demonology lock. I've almost always played Affliction and tried Destro and Demon many expansions ago. I have to say Demonology is pretty fun. I'm setting up Destro right now to try.

[@cypherdroid]

Warlock díabolist definitely s the amount of spell variety super cool

[@holtszom3746]

loved monk since MoP, was alot of fun doing more damage than all the other dds in challenge mode combined as a tank

[@EvJames2069]

So glad i discovered your channel Your love for the game is infectious Looking forward to more videos

[@almostblindbandit]

How are you visually impaired? I have RP and it’s progressed a bit in the last few years so wow has been more challenging for me lately

[@matthewmcclung7389]

Great video! I think your list is spot on. Gonna try and get my fire mage to 80 soon, needs gear bad 😅. Ret main here too pal 😎

[@Comii_]

Really interesting video! Especially from your personal point of view, but one question… How do you go about tankxiety and healing anxiety. I’ve always wanted to try them both but I’m so scared of letting everyone down. Just wanted to see your opinions :))

[@The_Kephas]

You deserve the same opportunity to learn how to play a new role as everyone else. That means starting from the beginning, and at first, you might not meet everyone's expectations-and that's okay. Especially in pugs, if people get upset, that’s on them, not you. From my experience, it's not as bad as it seems once you give it a go, though there will be times when people are toxic. If they kick you for something silly, it’s not because you let them down. Remember, it’s just a game, and everyone starts somewhere. To ease into it, try a few follower dungeons first. Once you feel more comfortable, go ahead and dive into a real dungeon. You’ve got this!

[@PenguinPlays1235]

Ive mained havoc since legion (I started wow just before legion lol) and I totally agree. its just so much fun

[@GeneralMonday]

I like assassination rogue though. death by a 1000 cuts. there is an ability which gives you these special blue combo points, makes it so much more fun. and the dmg is absolutely a-ok

[@DarkMegaPlague]

I miss the ammo and quiver from vanilla wow hunters..... would be nice of they gave the pets their own hero talents like increasing their attack rate, crit rate or just give them more abilities so they become as great as the hunter character it self

[@tony9099]

Unholy dk to me is pretty fun but the opener is crazy cuz tooo many buttons to open just to start doing rotation. You got to press defile, abomination, abomination limb, dark transformation, and then unholy assault, which they are all on the GCD, and then u can finally start doing ur rotation

[@5harknado]

I appreciate you my guy!❤

[@andersflem9628]

Rogue as gunslinger !?? Yesss please Blizzard !!

[@alexanderadavar6439]

I'm a rogue main and I LOVE tww rogue! Might be because it's my main and has been for many years, but my autistic brain loves the counting of the DoTs, I'm always top dps in my keys!

[@ryangardner7709]

Monk enjoyer main here too 😅

[@loganhartsel5513]

It’s SUPER readable, I really like it lol

[@Cereal.Fidgeter]

Leveling is just so fun, i just finished my 6th 80. I want to main something, but why do that when leveling can be funner LOL

[@The_Kephas]

Agree!

[@carlos8769]

Which is the fastest way to level? An alt ?

[@yavantii3615]

@@carlos8769 Dungeon queuing while questing in Draenor inbetween.

[@cubbogelatinoso]

I love your UI with controller. Would it be possible to have it somehow?

[@bullock-uv7bs]

Go to his video, it the one he released before this one

[@The_Kephas]

Glad you like it! It's a bit of a rabbit hole, but I've made several videos recently about my UI. You are more than welcome to check them out! kzbin.info/aero/PLnWMxCk7Jy1au0v557oh0wa4q19XplNio

[@cubbogelatinoso]

@@The_Kephas I imported everything, but the configurations are completely different. The Roboto font is also missing in ElvUi... I tried to follow various import guides and I do everything correctly, but I can't explain why both ControlPort and ElvUi are completely incorrect.

[@scottsmith6235]

Only have 4 so this is mine. 1. Enh Shaman 2. Arms Warrior 3. Frost Mage 4. Havoc DH (way too few buttons) I only PvP and Delves

[@dial3ctric327]

Only ever mained to the 3 Warri specs & Enhancement, so our top 2 are the same. Prot, Fury, Discipline Priest follow!

[@Vaniary]

Yeah we pretty much have the same opinion of everything. I was a rogue main before switching to DH main in Legion. I think rogue is in a bad spot bc of a loss of identity, it was a high mobility, swift and quick class, and it's not anymore since monk and DH are a lot quicker and crazy to play. They tried to make it a very calculated, meticulous class I guess but it doesn't work for me. I find it overcomplicated, very "old school" and not in a good way (pressing buttons that does nothing). Also you're often waiting for your energy to regen which is not a nice feeling I'm only doing pve so i guess pvpers must enjoy rogues differently

[@foibles1149]

How did you make that UI? It looks sick

[@pun15h3r.]

dude this UI is sic 🎉

[@PBKB]

Man I hope you make an updated UI video. Would love that UI

[@Briansgate]

Altaholics unite!!

[@chef286]

It's a curse! :D

[@flexterex6915]

Oh the misery

[@Nokomak]

I'm sorry but I think when you don't play rogue you don't see the difference but being in it they're probably the class that has the most difference between specs. You can actually choose to not slot base skills and some don't care about an entire aspect. Like Outlaw can pretty much forego stealth. I main this class and it's a thrill. Every pull you really feel like you outclassed the enemies because you need to work much harder than other classes. I just don't like not pushing buttons. I gotta have the high APM of rogue.

[@mooncloud6563]

I have six 80s so far... It is pretty fun : ]

[@swampsect]

What nameplates are you using? I'd kill for that profile, feels like improved vanilla..

[@The_Kephas]

Thanks! They're actually part of ElvUI. I tried to make them as easy to see as possible.

[@rz5401]

What are the add-ons needed in order to have that UI and play on a controller

[@maratgumerov3523]

I definitely should level up at least one more character. And now I should try to be fun! 🙂

[@reheatedpizza7292]

are you.. playing with a controller??? how do i do that??? i have severe arthritis and i would be so much more comfortable playing on a controller laying in bed than sitting up at my desk on the keyboard and mouse

[@The_Kephas]

Yes! It's with an addon called Consoleport. If you check my description, you'll find a playlist that goes over my entire UI. It's a bit of a rabbit hole, some of the videos in the playlist go over my controller setup using ConsolePort.

[@reheatedpizza7292]

@@The_Kephas spent about 2 hours binding the buttons for all my characters but I’m definitely shocked how well it works, is there a way to make the PS5 touchpad work as a cursor?

[@ShakallRus]

As 7 years mythic Rouge. Player - I agree lol

[@The_Kephas]

I'm actually quite sorry to hear that. I hope they give Rogues the attention they deserve.

[@metalicana5894]

what's this? fun? I don't think I understand...

[@puppethound]

Yet you probably play hours a day, so what does that say about you 😂❤

[@Tankbuster778]

ya i love my evoker is started off with dk i enjoyed him very much then i saw a evoker doing his ablity and thought i want to try that and havent beent he same since i still think they need jsut a little touch of somehting to really make them pop but i love how they are now event he fact you stay in dragon form mostly i kinda prefer them that way

[@The_Kephas]

Yeah, I honestly felt kind of bad putting them in the middle. They really are incredibly fun. Kind of like you, I just felt like it needs a little more time to cook. It's almost exactly how I used to feel about Demon Hunters when they first came out.

[@Tankbuster778]

@@The_Kephas and as you mention the demon hunters now i fell the same im enjoying them as much as evoker and ya it just needs a small something not sure i cant put finger on them but hey keep up the vids mate i love your macros vids and your guids i only started playing when this exspansion came out and your vids helped me to get my playstyle down keep up the work your doing great for all of us

[@JonnyBeoulve]

Great video.

[@keats27]

DH feels herky jerky to me right now. In DF DH felt smooth as silk. Totally agree on Dracthyr, the uh...effeminate movement...just kills it for me.

[@The.anime.king0012]

I'm an arcane mage and yes i have a PHD!😂

[@Nokomak]

No making outlaw a full ranged spec is a mistake. Subtlety would be better suited for it

[@dewseff8492]

How, they are literally the ninjas that use shadow clones and teleport, why would they be a ranged spec over the spec that uses guns bro

[@TooMuchTuna7]

What do you play on?

[@Alithia451]

First: Lock. Last by far: Druid

[@puppethound]

Didnt you say we're gonna start with "S" and go down to "D", yet you were all over the place 😂❤

[@The_Kephas]

You misunderstood me. I wasn't referring to the order I would go in, I was referring to the range of the tier list.

[@DIEWITHZERO-w1s]

期待各職業，其它專精發佈

[@OutlawScotty]

I have main a rogue since the game launch lol, the war within has made them so over complicated that I absolutely hate it and it bums me out!

[@mikeoxlong3676]

Manari Eredar warlocks are cool but they should have been a horde allied race.

[@UndeadR]

You got elves, now dwarves and you want draenei!? WHAT ELSE WILL YOU STEAL FROM US?

[@xamonttofficial]

I wish they would remove Outlaw and bring back Combat, Combat was fun

[@lucaschebance3135]

rogue are the real doomers of wow

[@CulltureShock]

Are you gonna level Each class 3 times for Each spec?? daum

[@low-gear-heroes7978]

cool video

[@Haravandel]

idk to play hunter or mage :x I most solo player, but hunter looks a little boring, idk :x

[@somewhereintheworldd]

Wait unholy dk ? :)

[@The_Kephas]

Yeah sorry, my scope is a bit limited. I spent most of my time on Blood and Frost and didn't have anything to say about Unholy. I can say that seeing them in dungeons they always look cool and I definitely want to try it out!

[@imikoimo6685]

Been an Ele main for years but once they forced ice fury on us i lost every interest and fun, also ele is kinda like the same without any big changes. Went for Monk mid legion and WW is the only thing i like to play in modern WoW. Monk is sooooo much fun, nothing comes even near it. Sadly it's always an off-meta pick, so once you try to get some m+ score, you're gonna get declined for hours, which always made me stop playing the game entierly. Funny enough, i always liked the rogue fantasy, i even played multiple rogues in DnD and still, in WoW, rogues are the least fun class i've ever played.

[@danielsula4720]

D E M O N H U N T E R

[@hookshot320]

See, monk is the only class I CAN'T get into... I just dislike how heavily it leans into the panda stuff. To me, it feels soft-locked into being a pandaren and I don't want to be pandaren. So, even though every race can be monk, the whole class just feels like you're SUPPOSED to be pandaren..

[@The_Kephas]

I get what you mean. Panda is definitely the best race for monk in terms of aesthetics. But I've personally found that Human males, Dwarves, and even Vulpera can pull it off, too!

[@gammat.c.4916]

The best class with 1 btn macro? 🤭🤭

[@gorinpean]

Couldn't disagree more with warrior. I've mained them since WoD and rerolled this expansion. That's why you see so many warriors levelling, but so few doing end game content. Everyone rerolled to something more fun. Every dps build they have is so mind numbingly boring. Gameplay is as bland as it gets. All you need to/can do is spam 4 abilities when they come off cooldown. You don't need to think about or react to anything The way the class is designed is just stupid too. Mountain thane gets a 4 second proc of avatar. Think about how fucking useless that is compared to something like deeply rooted elements. Colossus' cooldowns don't line up with anything and the damage from demolish is so mediocre for what you lose when you use it. Every spec just feels like it was designed with no clear goal/theme in mind, so its both clunky and boring. The class itself also doesn't have any impactful flavour abilities

[@FreemanEleanore-b1v]

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[@mitchruby4716]

I enjoyed this tier list with all the reasoning I think the ui may be giving brain damage to viewers

[@The_Kephas]

Glad you enjoyed the list! Funny enough, a lot of other viewers have been requesting video guides or downloads for this UI, so I guess it's working for some people. In any case, it's designed specifically for someone who is visually impaired-which would be me. So feel free to close your eyes and just listen next time! :)

[@grimmjowthepantera]

WW is cool but the changes make him slow and boring .... like every another energy class... you are so fast out of energy you must wait 100 years to make a move..... befor this changes ww was so perfect to play fluid!

[@fgklfglhf]

DH "Cool abilities", yeah if you're 12.

[@The_Kephas]

My brother in Christ, we're talking about a video game rated T for teen. You really trying to make this distinction in World of Warcraft? Tell me, if I come across a fellow WoW player at the next PTA meeting, what class would someone of your high brow, refined taste recommend?

[@fgklfglhf]

@@The_Kephas lmao, good luck virgin.

[@captain_context9991]

"Its just my opinion, my opinion cant hurt you" Christ... Why does everything American have to come with a disclaimer. As if Im watching this video... Then you are somehow responsible for how I handle my own opinions and feelings.

[@The_Kephas]

FWIW, I'm mostly being satirical and making fun of that mentality. But you're also not wrong. A lot of people here put a lot more stock in their opinion than is needed. I'm pretty sure I've raised a couple of rogue player's blood pressure in the comments, lol.

[@powerplay074]

I play assasins rogue and its definetly better and more fun than frost mage or any warlock spec. I have all specs around 600ilvl. Your take is non sense for me. Im also top dps of ny guild with arcane mage as rogue. Also as affliction on certain bosses but rogue dmg profile is just superior unlike affliction. Frost mage is boring. I dont like this tier list but fun is subjective i guess.

[@The_Kephas]

It's cool, different strokes for different folks. I will say that there are fewer Rogues than ever now. So I know I'm not alone in how I feel about them, but neither are you. So it's all good.

[@powerplay074]

Yes but its cool there are not many rogues like overplayed ret, im the only raiding rogue in my guild. Assasin is pretty easy spec not more difficult than affliction for an example, but not 1234 either. Opener is lenghy but fun. Only in longer static fights energy starvation is only bad thing but not major problem either. Also rogue is very evasive, wont die easily. Maybe ppl think rogues are complicated that was my worry when i choose assa over fury warrior but im glad i went for rogue. Its my favorite spec atm.

[@omz3848]

@@The_Kephas general opinion from rogue players (based on a cursory review of the forums/reddit threads and some self-proclaimed old school rogue players as well) seems similar to yours i.e. too much effort for the same damage, needless complexity, no new exciting talents that other classes got, etc. I've played rogue since Vanilla and finally gave mine up in SL when i felt i had to invest too much time to 'get good' essentially. Crazy work hours and little free time didn't make for a good combo with playing the rogue unfortunately. Having said that, recently some diehard rogue players seem to be enjoying assassination rogues though based on shared feedback on latest threads about class performances (in PvE)

[@1337f3n1x]

You just cant play a rogue

[@The_Kephas]

Maybe so. Apparently a lot of people just can't play rogues. Considering the rogue population has dwindled to lower than Monk, that must be the explanation. Thank you for clarifying. :)

[@1337f3n1x]

@@The_Kephasin the clip it seemed your not even trying and spamming tab for no reason

[@bkobinger]

Man, what addon for damage numbers you use? Looks sick and very fluid

[@The_Kephas]

It's Details! with a plug in called The War Within Skin. You can find it on Curseforge or the app. Then I just plunked it down where I wanted it.

[@bkobinger]

@@The_Kephas noooo not the damage counter, i mean the damage when you hit the mobs flying on screen xD

[@chrislake6001]

Assassination and elemental shammy are my 2 funnest