KERALA: Vasco da Gama on par with Columbus?

[@creamlayer]

A small addition. There was already a small but influential christian community in Kerala when Gama arrived. They were referred to as Nasrani (arabic for Christian) and were at loggerheads with Portuguese missionaries. Their origins are traced back to 1st century Jewish settlements and Middle eastern trade connections of Kerala.

[@MaSsiVeGaming1]

Columbus lived in Portugal early in his life where he married a Portuguese woman of noble class whose family had a long history of navigation. Columbus' brother lived and worked in a Lisbon cartography shop.

[@ash9x9]

Columbus's nationality is unknown, some say he was Italian...

[@naze2659]

@@ash9x9 some say he was portuguese too

[@henriquenakamura5752]

Thank you for all your informative videos. It's a shame this channel doesn't get the recognition it deserves.

[@hjs8092]

Thank you for this great video! Love from Portugal!

[@robinswamidasan]

Nice video. But, just one small correction: Vasco da Gama landed at Calicut (Kozhikode) about 150 km north of Cochin (Kochi). Cochin, however, was the site of the first Portuguese settlement in India.

[@FOLIPE]

If I'm not mistaken it was Cabral who went to Cochin and built the factory there, after having a conflict with the ruler with Calicut.

[@rajkiranthomas3579]

@@FOLIPE true

[@nihalmirza1221]

People need to understand that what was called a factory then was but a warehouse for goods. The factories set up by the British in the early days were just godowns.

[@hasnujamal3370]

Gama landed in Cochin ? In 1498 he landed in kapad ( Kozhikode or Calicut) .

[@eshwarsundar3675]

I like the way how you start your episodes. Thanks for these presentations ...

[@shridhan6688]

Both Columbus and Da Gama wanted to reach India.

[@Tusiriakest]

Oh mar, quanto do teu sal, são lágrimas de Portugal.

[@SC-db3zu]

History correction, from vasco da gama diary from Lisbon museum, escorted by 3 Indian merchant ships to India, Indian merchant ships between 3 to 10 times larger than average European merchant ships.

[@free_soul_human]

The Pandyan dynasty sailed to Athen in BC and they even had a Pandyan King

[@hasnujamal3370]

Gama wrote in his book that he came himself to india - kerala but actually he was guided by a gujarati . That Gujarati didn’t knew their intentions of forcing of trades in kerala especially for the “Gold pepper”.

[@mattpotter8725]

The Portuguese also went west to Brazil so they didn't only go east, something I would have thought any professor would have mentioned.

[@truthseeker9163]

Matt Potter in a video about India?

[@FOLIPE]

They went to Brazil because the south atlantic winds push to the east, not because they wanted to. It was just the easiest way to sail southwards.

[@mattpotter8725]

He said in the video that the Portuguese left the Americas to the Spanish. They may have been blown off course whilst going south, this is true, but they didn't have to settle there did they if they were just on their way to India did they? And I didn't bring up the Americas and Columbus the professor did. What has that got to do with India. He was factually wrong and I just wanted to point it out. I don't think I'm wrong. Portugal got a lot of gold from Brazil. Anyone who has been the Ouro Preto will see this. Since your name is Truth Seeker I thought you might want to seek the truth!!!

[@FOLIPE]

Yeah, but that was later and not directly related to Da Gama. Anyway, he could've mentioned it, but the video was not a comparison between Portugal and Spain, just telling the story of Da Gama's voyage with a reference to that of Colombus.

[@brunotorres7332]

very cool 24k miles that is remarkable the Portuguese had quite a ride throughout times. loved it

[@tobinbtm]

Hey professor great video but one major flaw, Da Gama and his crew did find Eastern Christians. In Kerala there are Christians known as St. Thomas Christians also called Nasrani and Syrian Christians who were likely the descendants of of Middle Eastern Christian merchants who intermixed and converted Indians. These Christians follow East Syrian Christianity and still exist today (though they had many divisions). The Portuguese actually write heavily about them, I have no idea where this rhetoric came from that the Christians were actually Hindus. I’ve seen this misinformation in U.S history textbooks as well. There are actually many primary sources of the interaction between the Nasrani and Portuguese. The Portuguese later attempted to suppress the Nasrani and force Latin Christianity upon them which caused many divisions and splinter groups. The Nasrani were a very high caste community and had close economic , social, and political ties to their Hindu Kings. At one point the Nasrani even had their own vassal kingdom under a Hindu liege. This kingdom was known as the Kingdom of Villarvattom, whose king was actually written too by Pope Eugene IV in 1439. I think this is where the idea of the “Kingdom of Prestor John” came from. However by the time the Portuguese arrived in Kerala, the Kingdom of Villarvattom was already extinct, supposedly by marriage into neighboring Hindu principalities. Nonetheless the Portuguese still met the Nasrani who had a strong presence in the Hindu Kingdoms of Cochin and Calicut. They were a well respected ethnic group who were prominent in the pepper trade and seen on par with the Nair Hindu Caste (second highest caste of Kerala).

[@goksnarasi]

Video recorded on May 18 , but published on May 10 in youtube?????

[@sneakpeek2795]

Whatever the history, most Malayalees (kerala peoples) are still hate with Vasco da Gama. What would be the reason for that.

[@benhursudheer5799]

Watch urumi malayalam movie

[@arjunraj823]

He was cruel towards the local kingdoms.

[@keralanaturelover196]

@@arjunraj823 no vasco received by zamorin but he cheated zamorin and fought war with neighborhood kerala kingdom

[@user-lv1wn5wq7n]

hello from goa

[@user-lv1wn5wq7n]

11.49 same style churches in goa

[@Dheeraj-y4f]

Inquisition of goa

[@girlbuu9403]

The funny thing is there were Indian Christians as early as 56 AD, and definitely by the 6th century. More went into India like the Zorastians to flee Islam. Just no mystic Prestor John Kingdom. Fun fact, Zara Yaqob and Genghis Khan were both assumed by European Christians to be Prestor. With the later because they knew someone was thrashing the Muslim world from the East and it wasn't until he conquered Russia and invaded Poland and Hungary that they realized how wrong they were. For Zara... a bit more interesting because he actually fit the bill. He was a Christian king from the other side of the Muslim world, in this case Ethiopia, but he allegedly hated being called Prestor John to the point that he would have violent outbursts that would make Dende's in Dragonball Z abridged at being called Little Green seem tame. White people have never been so happy to be yelled at by an angry black man.

[@kishanky1352]

Very interesting... I had a doubt, so did Vasco da Gama meet these Christians in Kerala???

[@rraj404]

Another person with Catholic Church ideology claiming christians to be present at 56AD. The west, enough though we have enough scripts to prove the gupta and Harshavardhana period, they still believe it to be fiction. But they believe in a person who was christian in 56AD when infact there was no christian religion at that time, it evolved later after 1st AD from jewish sects. Please read some history from the right sources and not through the missionaries.

[@Paws.of.Justice]

To the doubters Read the "Acts of Thomas" a 3rd century A.D on the topic of St.thomas Christians in india. From Western source there is a greek monk named 'Indanopolis' Of seeing St.thomas Christians in indian. ( 522 AD) From Syria there mar Epherm who records of St.Thomas Christians. (322) Then there circumstantial evidence like Early Jew community in indian from 1 B.C Roman empire traded with india and its gold coins were found in india. It is only 2 week journey from Middle east to india.

[@PurushNahiMahaPurush]

Lol I didnt think I'd see a DBZ abridged reference here of all places. But you just don't fuck with Mr Popo man.

[@truthseeker9163]

SAkShAM Pratap Indian bishops reported to a bishop in Iraq as far back as the 9th century.

[@TheMenon49]

There were some missionaries along with da Gama, whose objectives were clear. Convert the heathens to Christianity. Imagine da Gama's and the missionaries' astonishment when they learnt that there had been Christians in Kerala dating back to the times of St Thomas the Apostle!!!

[@Gabpt]

Well they wanted to kinda find them the Portuguese looked for the Kingdom of Priest Jhon

[@KunalSingh-kq9tk]

Great lesson professor. Explains why wars can never stop in this world and how money is the only God & greed the only religion 👍

[@nancyelizabeth72]

Kunal Singh G.O.D. = Gold, Oil & Drugs

[@KunalSingh-kq9tk]

Nancy Valldeperas Couldn't have described it better

[@زنكي]

Please use the international metric system.

[@mohabatkhanmalak1161]

Some parts of your story need correction. The truth was that before 1492 (the year Columbus crossed the Atlantic) none of the European nations knew how to cross oceans.They did not posses the intricate details of latitude calculation. At the time, only the Arabs in the Indian ocean and some Polynesian islanders in the Pacific had this knowledge. By the mid 15th century word was streaming through to European courts about this and also the rich trade in the East, plus the earlier reports of Crusaders. The Portugues had some vague idea of the rich kingdoms in the East, but in navigation were sailing into the dark. Up to the coasts of Angola Vasco da Gama was actually going by the earlier voyages of Bartolomeu Dias, Cabral and Prince Henri. Then at the Cape, he saw his compass needle turn in relation to the coast (which he was hugging all the way from Portugal), and he realized what he was expecting - that he had reached the southern limits Africa, and was entering the Indian ocean. Still without latitude, Da Gama continued on sighting dhows and Arab settled islands, till he reached Mombasa and Malindi. He then managed to persuade the Sultan in Malindi to give him a navigator who was Arab from most sources and not Gujarati as you have stated. He was Ahmed ibn Majid, a renowned navigator, astronomer and cartographer.

[@mohabatkhanmalak1161]

@Johan Smid No, Ga ga ga.....

[@Thoughtflux]

Wow so it was Gujarati guy who got Vasco dagama to India! Very interesting! Love your channel!

[@LeRiderOP]

I would keep coming everyday, just to make this video trending..😎😎

[@lokeshgsadhmaya5499]

Kid behind Nomadic is eager to be in the frame. But denied 😂

[@FOLIPE]

I'd say Da Gama did something more important for the time, but on the long term Columbus' mission was probably more impactful.

[@brianmugo9341]

You an American?

[@stephallan2543]

As an indigenous person from the Americas or States...We know Him As the Lost Individual. Harmful Impact is Absolutely Correct.

[@FOLIPE]

@Prince Henry The navigator sejamos honestos, os portugueses não chegaram à América primeiro.

[@naze2659]

@@FOLIPE secalhar nao mas nem os espanhois.... foram os vikings

[@lino222]

@@FOLIPE em que ano foi assinado o tratado das Tordesilhas? em que ano foi a 'descoberta' do Brasil? porque é que os Portugueses insistiram em que a divisão fosse mais para oeste? supostamente não havia razão para isso, pois o Brasil 'ainda' não tinha sido descoberto. naquela altura havia muito secretismo em relação ás descobertas, Portugal como pequena nação não se podia dar ao luxo de têr a concorrência de outros paises...e pode não têr sido o primeiro na america do norte, mas que lá andou antes dos Espanhois, sem duvidas, em particular no Canada, levados pela pesca ao bacalhau.

[@anilchauisms]

Brilliant

[@Dheeraj-y4f]

Iam from kerala (calicut) vasco and his Portuguese were so cruel to us

[@tamanassman]

you missed something about da Gama perceiving Hinduism to be a form of Christianity. Hinduism is accretive syncretistic and story goes that St. Thomas had reached India and a church prospered there for centuries. In one of the "Jesus in India" documentaries it's recounted how when the Vatican's first archbishop arrived in Goa and was informed of the existence of an India-wide church, word was sent to the many Indian bishops to bring their holy books and writings to Goa. They did so, bringing the holy copies expecting them, one supposes to be blessed, or copied and studied. Upon gathering them all together the Portuguese archbishop pronounced them all and ordered them burned. One hopes that somewhere around India copies that were not brought to Goa may one day surface...a whole lost chapter of Christian history and belief. Other than the story of Nestorian preachers who came to India, there's the story of Jesus himself, Issa the teacher, Yosasaph he was also known as ..... he was remembered in India, and still is in some temples even today..... and his core teachings are echoed both in Brahminical and in Buddhist teachings..... what Hinduism doesn't have is the myth of the resurrection and that part of his story is absent in India also, other than the tradition saying that having survived the Crrcifixion he left Palestine to return to India to live our his years. So what might have been in all those books the Goan archbishop burned (without having read them ) is truly a great tragedy. But secrets upon which empires are buitl must be kept.

[@rimlandrealist7679]

Actually, the Portuguese did follow-up the Indian christianity thread all the way to Mylapore which they controlled for a time and where a Portuguese church stands to this day. It was known as St Thomas of Mylapore in the Coromandel coast.

[@ajidantonio2872]

Kerala had had treads with Roman ...

[@Thulasisinusandnose]

Really? Prove it. St Thomas also landed in Kerala, right?

[@robinswamidasan]

T Das: The Romans had overland trade routes to India (via Iraq, Iran) BCE and later (1st century CE) developed routes via the Red Sea - Arabian sea.

[@robinswamidasan]

T Das: re "St Thomas also landed in Kerala, right?". Correct, according to Wikipedia, circa 50 CE. In any case, the oldest Christians in Kerala, 'Syrian Christians' as they call themselves, are not the product of colonial conversion.

[@Thulasisinusandnose]

St Thomas did not come anywhere near India. Wikipedia is not able to pin point the date of birth and death of Jesus! How did it pin point the date of arrival of Mr Thomas, so accurately? Anybody can edit wikipedia, that is why! Church has a strong propaganda machine; that is how it makes lies into truth.

[@otomackena7610]

Thulasi Das you are making a fool out of your self there are Roman/Greek coins in Museum which were excavated from Muziris and the roman map also locates Kerala at the time which traded through Muziris Port it names Kerala as Spice garden in the account.These Trades were done through North African coast to India.

[@bassraider5914]

Vasco da Gama crushes Columbus under his pinky finger it's not even close da Gama was a true sailor discover warrior all those things Columbus was just a someone didn't even know where he was actually going

[@MAQUESHLA]

Hi Prof, it seems according to another narrative Vasco Da Gama was overrated. In his own journal he mentions that he was escorted from the cape of Good hope (South Africa) to India by an Indian sailor/trader (Kanha) with ship sizes 8-10 times bigger than the largest available in Europe in those times. Also, it is mentioned that he always sailed with the African coast in his sight throughout his voyage. Nevertheless, European history celebrates him as a pioneer in sailing and exploration and I don't wish to take away his glory. I guess the real challenge in his trip was to sail from the southern tip of Africa to India with no coast in sight. It had already been conquered by the average Indian trader at that time.

[@FOLIPE]

The real challenge was to cross the cape, going around Africa.

[@truthseeker9163]

AVINASH SINGH I remember all those Indian ships that reached Europe in the 15th century, not.

[@FOLIPE]

@ferzy09 They believed the indian and atlantic ocean were conected at some point - you just had to go south enough to find it. They went to see if that rout worked, but couldn't know before they sailed.. Now we mostly hear about this one because they were right, but later people explored other routes to the east, like one through north canada and that didn't work.

[@reetakamath6418]

It was the biggest blunder by the Indian to get this European pirate who let hell lose on Goa with torture of untold proportions

[@reetakamath6418]

Columbus also resulted in getting rid of the American Natives by cheating

[@saikrishnaineni]

its true that European countries dominated by force but also trade was an important factor, that's how they got the gunpowder from china (its invented in china long before) , for Europeans they had connections to all the important parts of the world which gave them access to a wider range of goods unlike china or India however china and India were the producers of valuable goods in high demand they didn't have many trade alliances partly because of isolation and non requisites as they have more than self sufficient goods for an average person. thus they didn't have the industrialize like the west however an interesting fact it was tipu sultan and his commander who invented rocket artillery which they used for defense against british was reverse engineered by british and used for their European wars, was well tought was invented by brits. thank you for reading.

[@JoseAngelFlores]

Da Gama traveled along the coasts of continents, along Africa and then the Indian continent, and he did what many other navigators and discoverers had done for millennia, sailing by the coasts, for as you know, Latitude was easy to calculate, but calculating Longitude became possible only hundreds of years later. Columbus had to deal with Longitude, and he tried many ways to understand where exactly his ships where in the unknown world, as he navigated into the deep waters of the Atlantic Ocean. Columbus defied that ancient tradition of sailing coasts, instead decided to gamble his future on long discussed, but until that time, unproven theories about the circumference and size of the planet. In doing so, Columbus gave Spain, and later Portugal, France and England, a huge new continent to conquer and colonize, and new host of nations arose a few hundred years later after his historical voyage and huge trade routes were established to this day. I simply cannot compare both.

[@2004lus]

Wrong. Portugal had no interest to sail west because all that land would be from Spain due to Tordesilhas treaty. Portuguese navigators not only knew how to sail on open sea because they invented the astrolabio but they also knew how to sail against the wind with the portuguese caravelas. Portugal discovered Azores, Madeira and Canary Islands all far away from the coast. Portugal knew the world was way bigger than Columbus thought precisely because of that sailing tecnology. Lavrador and Terra Nova in Canada are examples of the presence of Portuguese sailors on that land before Columbus and even before the Tordesilhas treaty. Portugal already knew of the existance of Brasil because they forced the line of Tordesilhas treaty to move west. Columbus by the way was so lost that he reached America and called the natives as indians.

[@guilherme832]

@@2004lus I thought the Canary islands where already colonized by Romans, the islands had lots of dogs, 'Cane' in latin, thats how they named it, or so I thought I had seem it somewhere. There we're lot's of these birds that after the islands had been named they we're named 'Canários' (this in Portuguese), from the name of the islands 'Canárias'. The islands we're definitely colonized by the Portuguese, who sold them to Spain for some reason, but I don't think discovered them.

[@dominusnostrum]

Another European who travel to India in the 15th century. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afanasy_Nikitin

[@sneakpeek2795]

Iam from kerala. And still hate gama

[@lino222]

m8, everybody hates haters! ^^

[@sneakpeek2795]

@@lino222 where are you from?

[@lino222]

@@sneakpeek2795 planet Earth, my friend...

[@ank337]

everything begun and ended in India, from Alexander , turks, monghols, Portugal, french , British etc went looking for it and to conquer it for its riches , India was complete, never needed to go seeking

[@Thulasisinusandnose]

You forgot to mention that both Columbus and Vasco Da Gamma set out into the sea to find a sea route to India because the land routes were blocked by the Muslim empire, who demanded exorbitant tolls. Columbus set out westwards encouraged by the newfound fact that the world was round! Vasco Da Gama set out eastwards, because Columbus failed to find a sea route to India. Why India? India was the richest country at that time with a GDP of 35% (Angus Madison). Every country on earth wanted to do trade with India at that time. Why do hide such facts? When you disseminate information you should be truthful!

[@savioblanc]

Thulasi Das Columbus was aware of the Earth being a sphere. Stop repeating a debunked myth created in 19th century

[@Thulasisinusandnose]

savioblanc what myth? Who said Columbus didn't know the earth is round? Read the posts properly.

[@savioblanc]

Thulasi Das you said, "Columbus set out westwards encouraged the new found fact that the world was round" - this wasn't a new found fact. Everyone in Europe was fully aware that the Earth was a sphere. They disagreed on the size. The priests and scholars correctly assumed the Earth to the size we today know it as. Columbus on the othe hand believed Earth was much smaller and is the reason he argued he could travel to India by going across the ocean. But the monarchs of Spain agreed with the priests and scholars and ordered him to take extra food, which is what saved his men eventually You also got the chronological order of Columbus and Da Gama's voyage wrong. DaGama sailed to India years before Columbus and had already successfully reached India, gotten the spices and returned. In fact, it's because DaGama was successful that Columbus tried to sail over the ocean - he couldn't use the same route as the Portuguese as they now controlled that route and the Spanish wanted to get the spices directly. Columbus claimed he could go across the ocean and reach India and so the Spanish decided to fund his trip EDIT - I meant to say Bartolomeu Dias and instead incorrectly stated Vasco and then got my dates wrong - I've added more info below to your reply - thanks for pointing out my error :)

[@Thulasisinusandnose]

savioblanc before the time of Columbus people in Europe believed that earth was created 6006 years ago, the sun and moon went around the earth which was flat. Why did they imprison Galileo?

[@Thulasisinusandnose]

Hello there is a limit to bullshit! If there was an established sea route to India, why would Columbus set out to find another? Why did he call native Americans Red Indians? Why does history books mention Columbus voyage at 1492 and Vasco's at 1498? Because Columbus failed to find a sea route to India, Vasco set out to find one. Please do not try to change history. Why were the Europeans so inclined to find a sea route to India? What was so great about India?

[@surya316]

It would have been better if you had enquired with the local population of Kerala and gone through their literature to get a sense of their version of the story instead of just your version of the story especially among the Christians who have quite a legacy to tell....the name Vasco de Gama invokes hatred in Kerala even today especially among the Christians....sadly you missed out on what could have turned out to be an enlightening experience for both sides.

[@reenajose9618]

Vasco da gama is cruel

[@hammadthegreat]

both legacies of vasco de gama and columbus needs to be eliminated, they have already taken down columbus statues in south USA or so i heard. the indians did kick out the portugese in a befitting manner btw

[@Thulasisinusandnose]

Kingdom of Crestor John? come on professor! there is a limit to BS!

[@savioblanc]

Thulasi Das Prester John, dumbass not Crester

[@FOLIPE]

It isn't his fault, the guys were really looking for this Prester John guy in the east.

[@Thulasisinusandnose]

@@FOLIPE Like we were looking for Chandragupta in Europe!

[@FOLIPE]

@@Thulasisinusandnose No it isn't. Prester John not a real figure, bur mythological king that supposedly lived in the east, beyond the land of Muslims. You cannot demand accuracy from legend, and, to be honest, India fits most of the description so if I were looking for Prester John it makes sense to look there.

[@Paws.of.Justice]

He is a paid troll They always misspell word and make people angry

[@jun2011jh]

Khairallah. Land of Allah.

[@stormyzvox2185]

jameel hasan hahaha are you actually that stupid

[@dheeraje.d8752]

Dont make Kerala land of IS please

[@ayushsingh1943]

Al*ah is my Dick

[@Paws.of.Justice]

I wonder is this muslim troll or an Rss sheap troll ? Its land of 'Kera' kerala.

[@rraj404]

@@Paws.of.Justice Why do you have such an obsession with RSS and paid trolls? I am asking because it seems you are actually one of the paid trolls who is just blabbering anything to get attention.