why Zenless Zone Zero has a BETTER WISHING SYSTEM than Genshin and Honkai: Star Rail

How pity and wishing works in Zenless Zone Zero compared to Genshin Impact and Honkai: Star Rail
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[@kettletoro]

wow im so mature !! come say hi on twitch I stream often eheheh twitch.tv/kettletoro

[@hunter5725]

I got Ellen in 3 pulls on day one 😅

[@Section_8-l2r]

Sooooooo I CAN spam 500 pulls in the next 15 minutes?

[@hunter5725]

@@Section_8-l2r yea

[@MultiverseRaidenWarriors]

Your voice is making me uncomfortable

[@Section_8-l2r]

@@MultiverseRaidenWarriors why?

[@user-ed3jt4kt5o]

Its literally the same thing as HSR. The only difference is that the 50 pulls on the "noob banner" count towards the 300 for selector.

[@Shadow82311]

Why you called it noob?

[@CHKurono]

​@@Shadow82311 Noob is another word/slang for Newb, which is an abbreviated word for Newbie. Newbie is synonymous with newcomer, beginner and novice. I hope you get the point.

[@jrbudoybudoy]

HSR counted the 50 pulls as well right?

[@2d_enjoyer]

​@@jrbudoybudoy they did not iirc because it was a separate banner now you could've ignored the beginner banner and pulled standard and they'd count but that'd be a waste

[@tiggert4002]

We are all newbies though. At least if we aren't counting the beta players.

[@swindlrmagician]

"It might be better than hsr and Genshin" Proceeds to explain the HSR banner system

[@kagami3k]

exactly

[@kaz7690]

It’s literally the HSR gacha system but with an extra Bangboo banner and the guaranteed S in 50 is included in the Standard banner (I can’t remember if that was the same case in HSR)

[@nguyenngwn7757]

​@@kaz7690 sr has beginner banner separated from standard and uses 8 normal rolls for 10 pulls like in genshin. finishing 50 pulls (with 40 rolls) guarantees a 5* and removes the banner. dunno if rolling on beginner banner also contributes to the 300 pulls extra character.

[@vincenzotuccio874]

​@@nguyenngwn7757it does, even for Star Rail was like that

[@glitchii02]

@@nguyenngwn7757yeah, the 300 pity standard thing is on hsr too

[@nerotheone1234]

"there's no 50/50" "there's a 50/50"

[@elkrimo]

I wasted a minute of my life watching this yt short

[@elkrimo]

Because of that clickbait

[@LibrocreatesL2]

there's no 50/50 on bangboos she literally said it

[@wineaddict6625]

Fuck when I thought there was no 50/50 on li.ited banner jesus

[@SuccubiVT]

Was thinking the same thing, I heard her say that and was like “uuh???”

[@HUEYYYYYY]

"Completely removes 50/50s!" "There's still a 5050" ????? 🤨

[@ioriyume]

right like what is she trying to say

[@ivanlimonka]

So it's literally like in Star Rail

[@daiwang8111]

Like star rail but with addition of new banner that allows you to pick anything. The only caveat is that the new banner require currency that cannot be bought, which means whale cant abuse it

[@nonlocaldirect42]

Na its legit just hsr, no difference on standard weapond or event banner​@Ace.of.Spades3

[@fireblade295]

​@@ClockiePizzaSounds more like Azur Lane than either. Getting close to greatness, Hoyo...

[@swindlrmagician]

​@@ClockiePizza Wuwa has 100% chance on weapon banner This one is 75/25 Similar to Hsr. So nah you're tripping

[@amandaslough125]

​@@daiwang8111How different is the "pick your choice" banner to the Chronicled Wish?

[@IshimurA99]

ZZZ has only just debuted but it already has many interesting advantages over its two seniors, which makes me look forward to its future performance!

[@josebarrantes8429]

Yeah, I loved it since its trailer mostly for the great difference compared with other games of HYV like genshin, honkai impact or HSR

[@megatbasyarullah4859]

Well that's to be expected. If you're gonna create a new game but have no improvements over the previous then whats the point 😂

[@Disappointed240]

I love so much and one thing especially you can replay all the cutscenes and dialogue of every mission story I wonder if it’ll do events too!

[@V4Lqry13]

@Disappointed240 Totally agree☕

[@miisaj2391]

Its gacha system is the same as HSR, and the game is actually boring as shit. This game will be dead in a month, but most people will quit it after two weeks.

[@GrandMasterShiro]

Lost my 50-50 to Ellen 💀 it’s the same system, just you get to put progress towards 300 to choose

[@leviathanz]

Wuthering waves: 75% is still smaller than a guaranteed drop

[@tothemoon992]

Wuwa weapon banner both limited and standard is guaranteed unlike hoyoverses games 😅

[@AespaKatarina]

too bad, that game runs like 💩 No wonder ZZZ already beat their launch revenue in 5 days 😂

[@leviathanz]

@@AespaKatarina hoyo is a big company what are you expecting? For it to not go Boom like towers?

[@AespaKatarina]

@@leviathanz fun fact: Wuwa is backed by Tencent 🥰

[@sosite755]

​@@AespaKatarinafun fact: gacha games trash like their fans

[@daw8285]

I was so excited for this game but my PC completely broke today out of nowhere 😭😭😭

[@Rimon1957]

Dude my monitor went crazy today And well it was usable but the game wouldn't launch for me (it would crash at the loading screen after hanging and making some 'Unity' loading screen appear). I tried every possible fix for this but the game just wouldn't launch. What a pity...

[@daw8285]

@@Rimon1957 Oh sorry to hear that hope it can be fixed

[@glamgirl5068]

@@Rimon1957 same i also have the same problem

[@Rimon1957]

@@glamgirl5068 it's a disaster

[@marshmallow206]

Am on Mobile and I downloaded it am surprised it actually functions even tho genshin is also on my phone 😭 my phone is insane

[@lydiaisbored]

She made this exact video when HSR came out and said the exact same thing. I swear to god she just yaps all the time 😭

[@IceedPro]

i mean, hsr gacha IS better than genshin. While the only difference with ZZZ and HSR gacha is the 50 starter pulls count for the 300 selector.

[@foxlore4291]

Plus, the second s rank you get is guaranteed to be the banner one if your previous s rank was not the banner one

[@JosiahHung]

“It’s better than Genshin and HSR’s!” Proceeds to explain HSR’s wishing system.

[@ItsJustT]

*might*

[@fischlpfpcausewhynot6107]

​@@ItsJustTDid we even watch the same video? She said "It actually is"

[@lonelytac0]

This reminds me of the time HSR came out and people said "It's better than the Genshin one! *Proceeds to describe the Genshin character banner*" like they're all the same, the only difference is the weapon banner, and the 50 and 300 pulls for the standard

[@fischlpfpcausewhynot6107]

@@lonelytac0 You just said the difference between Genshin's and HSR's banner bruh 🙃 Also, HSR's lightcone has 75% chance unlike Genshi's weapon banner that's worse. Genshin and HSR'S banner are different dude, just accept it 😕

[@lonelytac0]

@@fischlpfpcausewhynot6107 I said "character banner", the rates and pity are the exact same, the early 5 star, and 5 star of choice are extra stuff, and don't affect the banner itself. Like none of that affects the limited one

[@togsana]

It’s exactly the same as hsr except there’s another banner, hsr already implemented 1 weapon 75/25 banners, the beginner banner and a standard banner selector at 300 pulls

[@Purp1e_]

honkai impact as an elf supply banner which if im not mistaken is basically the same

[@romainguyon4265]

Not really because 5* / S ranks reset your 4* / A rank pity which makes getting them more difficult but there are only two 4* rate up per banner for now

[@Gerry_45]

So it ISN'T like HSR then

[@togsana]

@@Gerry_45 do you know how to read

[@Gerry_45]

@@togsana you wrote "except" thats implying this is different than HSR system? Am I missing something?

[@With_this_treasure_i_summon]

Wuthering waves in the corner literally better than ghis

[@AespaKatarina]

better at what? That game runs like 💩 No wonder ZZZ already beat their launch revenue in 5 days 😂

[@rvil2959]

@@AespaKatarina Keep coping lil bro

[@Nisaaaaaaa23]

Nah I play ZZZ and WuWa😂 ...ZZZ is shit and the story telling were so damn boring asf ...and ohh especially their female characters looks like they got implants surgery @@AespaKatarina

[@IceedPro]

@@AespaKatarina the revenue argument is straight dumb. I agree wuthering sucks tho

[@AespaKatarina]

@@rvil2959 imagine, ZZZ already made $50M+ on mobile alone and we're not even half a month in. Wuwa could never 😂

[@_-_Kenny_-_]

Don't let this vtuber cook ever again. 😊

[@atuasaysnope]

"That completely removes the 50/50!!"

[@plaguenplay3516]

5 seconds later "which is still a 50/50"

[@Purp1e_]

@@plaguenplay3516 she meant the 50 pull guarantee. its not hard to think yk

[@reymorr9429]

​@@Purp1e_ it isn't hard to say "50 pull guarantee" instead of 50/50 y'know

[@rozegunn]

​@Purp1e_ The issue is no 50/50 is ever removed on anything. That's just straight up false information. There is no 50/50 on standard banner, then she proceeded to talk about 50/50 still existing in this game.

[@VinStarless]

I got lose in 50/50. Gyat dayum 😂😂

[@angelflare323]

Yes hoyo knew the one thing every male will never see

[@SleepyAzi]

Out of topic- We won't see any males in zzz if they keep adding women 🗿

[@aligamerthe1st]

​@@SleepyAzi ok gay i see you

[@LocalTiredArtist]

I just want men in this game to start at man (I’m gay lol)

[@deepfriedpaper]

joining the homosexual army of male character wanters

[@marfit77]

We need another male theriden (animal person)

[@Endless.nightmare-dfi]

Fun fact ZZZ’s banners show your pity! Do no more trying to figure it out yourself!

[@Your_.loc4l._user]

I love how they put how much wishes until A-rank and S-rank

[@Firefly.22]

... So it's the exact same as HSR but the beginner banner now is connected to the standard one with One more banner where you can choose the 5star you want and no 50/50 on it, here you got the entire short in one comment have fun out there

[@boo_taoediting]

Ty for explaining bc it made no sense, anyway hsr solos

[@NayuzAqua]

​@@boo_taoeditingAfter playing ZZZ I have my doubts

[@lightdashing]

Imagine when wuwa has 100% guaranteed 5* weapon in weapon banner

[@MCRN_1452]

wait it already has the weapon banner with guaranteed rate ?

[@momakhoana3247]

@@MCRN_1452yes, the weapon is 100% guaranteed always

[@zereokami7008]

And the hard pity is 80, not 90

[@sensha5470]

they also give you a 5star selector, and a banner where you can pick what comes out of it. Basically you get 3 of the 5 standardbanner characters, two of which you can select, right out the gate. So you can get verina, get whoever, and still be able to grab your favorite.

[@zereokami7008]

@@sensha5470 and, with the rewards you get over mail, you're able to get a hell lot of 4* chars/weapons as well (as long as you created an account during the first few days)

[@tayredgrave6605]

It having a counter is my favorite part. Like the out of times I hade to open the history to count up my pity in Genshin is kinda crazy and I wish they'd implement that (the counter showing on the banner, I mean)

[@DotakuTube]

The pulling system is definetly better than Genshin but its practically identical to Star Rail, Bangboo banner aside. As a hardcore Hoyo fan though, Wuwa slightly edges all of them just because the weapon banner has no 50/50.

[@gamingfrog69]

i love wuwa gacha system

[@neroxdgaming9362]

Yes ww featured weapon banner is a good investment for sure even if your not pulling for BIS

[@ayemjake]

@@neroxdgaming9362 Yeah, it's great that the passives are also for general use. Often times signature weapons from other gachas only benefit the character it's tied with.

[@rick30521]

The Bangboo system is just ELFs/AstralOps from HI3rd lol, and those were a luxury, and judging by the looks of bangboo system, it seems they too will be a luxury once you can't get free pulls for its gacha, bc there's already a character banner and a "weapon" banner.

[@tempoaccla4041]

I don't like wuwa's world and designs (basically its artstyle) but I really hope it does well so genshin, HSR and zzz are forced to do stuff like making weapons guaranteed because they are already a waste of resources, not 75/25 and definitely not the 50/50 we have also they should honestly just give players a free standard 5 star per year

[@789mauro1]

So basically, a new-looking Hi3. It's literally the same

[@IceTheCrystal08]

Yeah thats what i thought when i was first playing too

[@aarushi2740]

the aesthetics are very similar. guess they’re going for nostalgia points? although most of their playerbase probably hasnt played hi3

[@monochromeink.]

nope, HI3 has no 50/50, S rank guaranteed in 90 pulls, first 10 pulls have a discount

[@BladeSerph]

@@monochromeink. Yup, HI3 did one thing nice by handing out free S-ranks and often times one or a choice of two S-rank `dated` units before i left it back in 6.4. Still cant match the level of fire that Kurogames is pulling off. Seriously, if the problems that are apparently going on with Zenless are a sign, then im sure plenty are gonna point at Wuthering Waves level of QoL reactionary, even if they are different companies and go freaking AMGRY if all Mihoyo does is give out less then 1/3rd of a pull for multiple game breaking issues and nothing more beyond that. Seriously, Wuwa even before the compensation got dolled out was already giving away a free discounted 5 star (at random) and a 5 star selector of any standard 5 star unit immediately after the discount one as permanent additions period.

[@Purp1e_]

the games are so similar i kept trying to attack with J instead of clicking the mouse and i havent played hi3 in months..

[@Chandan_Kun]

Wuwa laughing in the corner 😂

[@RSDZSTURMLEITER]

Only pull 7 times the Same Charakter to Max 🗣🔥

[@Endministrator97]

Hoyo's influencers trying to explain the pros, but the VETERANS already know the entire system behind it so "good job"

[@Purp1e_]

what are you pressed about lol if you already know the system why go here in the first place

[@airbournestrike]

​@Purp1e_ because its the right thing to do? To call out misinformation? I dunno about you, but if something was false, or the statement is vague, you gotta call that out

[@ataberk3539]

​@@airbournestrike Well said 👍

[@VPNMASTER006]

Meanwhile Wuthering Waves:

[@yugaaqira4250]

The 100% guaranteed on weapon is the "hoyo could never"

[@Purp1e_]

@@yugaaqira4250 they need to have better wishing systems and more rewards so people dont drop their game for hoyo games

[@quoerp4019]

kuro games consistent with their guarantees following pgr

[@BluTru]

Honkai dont got a 50/50

[@Comando_RDX]

WUWA STILL WORSE THAT PGR.

[@farizsetiawan3011]

So basically combination pity pulls and spark system which is great

[@Kriegerherz15]

I remember wanting Rina, playing the demo, selecting her AND actually getting her right after in a single pull!

[@StevenMcSteve]

It's exactly the same as star rail, just that the 50 pulls count towards the total 300 and there's an extra banner

[@yuishiro9781]

HI3 having no 50/50 at all : 👁👄👁

[@bl00by_]

Yeah it's always funny when they hype stuff like this up while HI3 exists. (And obviously HI3's system isn't perfect but I would argue that it's better than the other systems)

[@Kouki.lane114]

THEY WANNA BE WUTHERING WAVES SO BADD 😂😂😂

[@AespaKatarina]

The game doesn't stutter and isn't buggy so no 😂

[@AespaKatarina]

Better story and voice acting too 😂

[@Kouki.lane114]

@@AespaKatarina It’s 1.1 lil bro, genshin was worse during that time 😂😂😂😂

[@Kouki.lane114]

@@AespaKatarina Bro didn’t play past the first few acts 😂 Just play JP or CN😂😂😂

[@AespaKatarina]

@@Kouki.lane114 not a single CC will tell ya that Wuwa story is good 😂 Only die hard Wuwa shills huffing copium would say that 😂

[@sen_nn]

bro i got Ellen on my first 10 pull and Soldier 11 on my 20 💀

[@NonChibi]

so it's the same.... Thanks for reminding me.

[@brankopetru2265]

"ZZZ has a unique type of banner!" Hsr Leakers: "Unique For now" (No seriously, Hoyo plz don't drop the ball and make it P2W like in Genshin...) Edit: Okay, Okay I made a mistake. I meant how the *Chronicled Wish* is a "Whale Bait". The fact you can only use Premium currency on a banner of non-limited characters is downright awful. Sure, some people would be excited about it... but come on! At least share the pity between multiple banners if you are going to make us use pulls we could use for the current limited Character. Tl:dr what I wanted to say is = Don't let the new banner use Premium Stellar Tickets/Warps/Gold Tickets. I wasn't talking about genshin as a whole... Genshin is easy. Which is why I stopped playing it.

[@jpanboi_]

They already said they won't monetize the banner in the live stream

[@ArthurMorgan.1863]

Since when does Genshin become P2W? LMAO. The game was easy to clear without spending money.

[@bixie0987]

if genshin is btw that's just a skill issue T^T

[@segbefiajustin2408]

P2w in genshin? Damn ppl are really something these days

[@awakenedcrowl]

Genshin certainly benifits Whales by getting OVERpowered Characters faster. But even then, you can't call it "Pay2Win", when with a little dedication and skill, you can "Win" everything the game has to offer without paying a penny. It's "Pay2ProgressFaster", but just objectively not Pay2Win. Unless... you're REALLY, really bad. I could maybe see the arguement for the endgame modes, but these are only for those who want to challenge themselves anyway.

[@Yukata_GG]

She just basically explained HSR system with the addition of Bangboo banner

[@riskinstinct2833]

Wuthering Waves: Allow me to introduce myself

[@crushed_star]

even after all that, HI3rd gacha is still superior🎀

[@BawiCung-jn2dc]

The only S Rank character you can get on the limited banner is the limited S Rank which I really love. No losing 50/50s!

[@crushed_star]

@@BawiCung-jn2dc real!!

[@tidf-wh1zg]

Its superior if hi3 has no powercreel issue.

[@lmpllml9615]

​@@tidf-wh1zgit's not that bad, I stay at top 50 of arena and abyss(not ex) with main DD characters that are from 2020,

[@wlcx149]

@@tidf-wh1zgfr, its fcking hard to stay in red lotus because i didnt pull stigmata for support bruhhh

[@shanedoesyoutube8001]

But the caveat is *How bad will be the powercreep???*

[@Arunika1]

Its hack and slash where fighting js the only thing you’re doing. Expect worse powercreep than its predecessors (except for hi3)

[@shanedoesyoutube8001]

@@Arunika1 oh fuk

[@oscarfunez3806]

​@@Arunika1Doubtful. Since PVP is planned to be added later, it's not power creep you should be worried about. It's the P2W aspect.

[@HadouGun]

Genshin could add a Mint banner where you can get FtP Mint with a FtP currency ingame from picking Mint.

[@peace8061.]

Also there’s something that increases your chances for a 5 star up to 1.6% after you lose 50/50, idk if that’s a thing in previous games but yeah, seemed cool.

[@sk0l0pendrra]

So exactly like Star Rail

[@neratro8524]

Imagine being that silly, to just repeat the very same HSR's banner system and tell that ZZZ have something new. HSR be like: 50 pulls guaranteed first 5-star ✅ Any character on 300 pulls✅ Single weapon in banner ✅ 75% of rate-up on weapon✅ Mmmm.. Its actually much more better, yeah, of course. Im staying in WuWa, because there are ACTUALLY better wishing system, guaranteed rate-up weapon and lower pity on 5-star. ZZZ going to dump right away.

[@dan9563]

The leak say their going to give 5 star character xiangli yao in 1.2 Idk if thats true. But if its true its good to play wuwa because that free stuff

[@kenjam2143]

When HSR no longer the youngest, but still young enough to get spoiler 🎉🎉

[@kiridox2517]

The 300 pull to choose a S rank is once only

[@soniclid1]

And it still can't compete with wuwa

[@NayuzAqua]

Different games? I would compare WW with Genshin. But well, if the Hoyofans compare Genshin with HSR like they have the same gameplay I wouldn't expect much in people comparing these games lol

[@pangalost8543]

Yea you can absolutely compare wuwa with zzz cuz ALL GAMEPLAY OF ZZZ IS IN ONE WUWA'S EVENT BRUH

[@AespaKatarina]

Can't compete? Bruh, ZZZ ady beat Wuwa's launch revenue in 5 days on mobile alone 😂

[@AespaKatarina]

Wakey wakey

[@NayuzAqua]

@@pangalost8543 The combat is kinda simmilar too. At leasr is what I think. But oh well at least I can play ZZZ without having agressive stuttering

[@capcash7095]

To make things clear: -rate-up character banner follows the traditional 50/50 system of hoyoverse games (you start with 50/50 and if you lose 50/50 then next s rank is guaranteed to be the rate-up s rank unit) -a guaranteed s-rank within 50 pulls, is only exclusive for the normal banner (permanent banner) where u can get an s rank character or s rank w-engine within 50 pulls and normal rolling currency is also discounted from 10>8 but you will only be able to do 10 rolls everytime "till" you get an s rank from the normal banner -Rate-up w-engine banner is the same as the 50/50 system but instead of 50/50, it's 75/25 where you have 75% chance of rolling the rate up and a 25% chance of rolling and off-rate (You can only get an s-rank w-engine from standard banner and rate-up w-engine banner)

[@oluwatimilehinaina1169]

Still better than before tbh. Plus the beginner standard banner counts towards the free 300 pull char, which is nice

[@arkabarma3286]

That's basically HSR. 50-50(90pity) on character. 75-25 on weapon(80 pity). Only difference being beginner counting to std banner

[@algame3]

75% drop rate for the weapon and not guaranteed is a nightmare

[@vascof6260]

Wuthering waves ends up being even better

[@pokemen8961]

Bruh... what about wuthering waves, they give even more early 5 stars...

[@the.barbirdie]

hi3 gives you a five star every patch what are you unto WuWa is nothing special in spoiling their players They're the same as all the other gacha games

[@ArthurMorgan.1863]

The content was talking about ZZZ having better wish system than GI and HSR. Why would you include WuWa in this? Are you high?

[@the.barbirdie]

@@ArthurMorgan.1863another WuWa is better type of person Like can we just play game without saying who is better is rewards 💀

[@wanabid98]

​@@ArthurMorgan.1863yet still worst then hi3 what actually is that ZZZ have that better then hi3?

[@ArthurMorgan.1863]

​@@wanabid98 Another didiot who strays on the topic. Jesus fckin christ. Why there's so many dmb people on the internet. Also, If you don't like the game then don't fckin play it. EZ right? Is arguing with every people on a dmbsht comparison a thing now?

[@ling2553]

This is literally the Honkai Impact 3rd summoning system

[@haruki1294]

meanwhile in PGR: 👁️👄👁️

[@Comando_RDX]

PGR BEST GACHA SYSTEM.

[@AespaKatarina]

No one plays that game bruh 😂

[@errorphase]

As someone who has never played any of these games, this video feels like random words thrown together

[@DobryGosc]

Wow, they took inspiration from Wuthering Waves with the 50 wish 5*

[@Disappointed240]

Another pro is that the story cutscene are saved and can be played back even the dialogue of the missions🫠. Something I wished Genshin did

[@hotshootful]

you can replay dialogue in genshin look in the archive

[@Disappointed240]

@@hotshootful I know you can replay the dialogue between the conversations but not the cutscenes. ZZZ will taken you back two the moment liken you are playing it. Genshin just have you the audio and the script of the dialogue. Unless they changed it from the last time I looked?

[@Why_Cant_I_Use_My_ProfName]

You can also turn off Cinemas on characters. Now IWTL can do "fair" character reviews.

[@Disappointed240]

@@Why_Cant_I_Use_My_ProfName sorry I’m stupid what do you mean by cinemas on characters?

[@Why_Cant_I_Use_My_ProfName]

@@Disappointed240 Like Constellations and Eidolons. In ZZZ they're called Cinemas

[@mosheeno6623]

It’s the same as hsr and doesn’t beat wuwa.

[@DoctorErika]

Nah these three games are gonna be at war with each other😂

[@ilost6321]

I literally have four-five S rank characters as F2P player. The experience with pulling has been amazing with ZZZ

[@Blak_Boomer]

new hoyo game: comes out kettle: is (new game)'s gacha better? spoiler: it actually is

[@LuxNetA]

But rip for those snapdragon entry level phone (I was experiencing the same thing) We usually having issues that our map is not rendering the color and the object is only black The characters and the story still has the color and still good, but when it comes to gameplay there's an absolute dark. You only can see characters, all object are dark

[@CluckMan]

I donut feel my luck has ever changed

[@KHMDarkness]

It’s literally like Genshin’s system, only the guaranteed 5 star of your choice wasn’t a thing in it (at least I don’t remember it was). Genshin also has the hidden pity that starts at 74 pulls… although I would swear it starts at 70 with how often I would get a five star between 70 to 73 pulls, but that could be a coincidence. Honestly, what they need to do is also add in what Tower of Fantasy does, where getting a 5 star does not count toward the guaranteed pity, and that you can redeem the character after a set amount of pulls no matter what, such as ToF’s 120 banner currency cost to get it.

[@KuroJOkami]

Me who still doesn't care for ZZZ: I could care less about the gacha system. The characters and story are boring in my opinion.

[@cynomain9802]

I didn't even make it past the prologue cause I don't want to level up characters I might never use again because the gameplay is easy AF. It's a joke compared to HI3's, which has the same gameplay.

[@KuroJOkami]

@@cynomain9802 Not only that, the buttons are glowing every time you have to dodge or use a skill. It glows gold which is too eye catching in a way for the player to know, "Oh I press this button now" compared to the subtle glow from HI3's white glow

[@AespaKatarina]

​bro is in Prologue and wonders why it's so easy 😂 good joke@@cynomain9802

[@AespaKatarina]

​@@KuroJOkamitoo bad that game is dead long ago. 😂

[@solitaire839]

I saw u in one of the ads 😂 didnt expect to see u

[@jayden486894]

Don’t forget the s rank pull music

[@SherveenDeuskar]

Who else is still out here in HI3's incredible system, specifically the part 2 changes

[@senshi_kazuma]

Genshin would have more players if Hoyoverse would actually focus on Genshin Players

[@Quinqyincy]

They literally added a new end game content

[@BladeSerph]

@@Quinqyincy That apparently demands 16 full party members, decently leveled units that are also stuck to being only a group of very specific elements where more then likely a good half of them can only be limited 5 stars due to a very small limit of 4 stars to pick from 3 out of 7 elements. No idea how many you can `steal` from friends, but i would not be amazed if they also put a restriction in that you `both` need to own said unit. Oh plus the reason you need 16 members or so, is because you cant even RUN a stage without a full party of 4 (Wuthering Waves Tower of Adversity/Ellusive realms and Honkai Star rails with Simulated Universe basically dancing all over that Grave alone). Plus apparently i heard from some Birdies, they `nerfed` spiral abyss rewards it seem to put them in this new game mode instead of just increasing the overall general rewards for players for rotation based content period???

[@anastasija1309]

@@BladeSerphso basically you don’t play genshin but you act like you know everything based on the few posts you’ve read from reddit or something? It’s *end*game content for *end*game players, of course they’re gonna require you to have more characters, most players at ar60 have over 50 characters lying around, this gives them something to grind towards instead of complain about having ‘nothing to do’, in fact the people that do complain typically have half the game left unfinished

[@BladeSerph]

@@anastasija1309 yup I touched genshite years ago, never liked it. Now Zerolazy repeating the cycle. The point is you either have to have many months of grind to have all those characters WITHOUT maxing out characters to save resources. Which if you know genshite payouts, there is no way in hell that even if people had 2 good parties, would be able to realistically prepare another 8 or even 12 other characters, depending on elements and do that every month or so with potentially over half the roster they used before CANT be used in the previous run. It’s called an end game that follows the tradition of HOW they had players play the game, not make an entire damn game mode that demands you NOW waste resources working on numerous other characters, put gear on every single character (since I’m sure mihoyo locked you from switching gear I bet), So essentially where I’m gonna bet due to the weekday ascension resource restrictions and probably not making it notice’abilty easier to start fresh in the game as the years went on….no reasonable person, even on announcement day would of been caught up in the game mode’s conditions, since it would likely take a month, to make a decent SINGLE character maybe 2 if you spend money, but I’m talking weapon, artifacts, talent levels, stat level and moar. Also it’s funny you mentioned unfinished cause this game mode implies you DONT finish units and spend more time preparing ‘unfinished characters’ to pad the roster out and do that with a roster that could be completely different because they don’t use the same elements as last time and just purposely pick a bunch of extremely unwanted or utilized characters that most would be HARD RECOMMENDED, NEVER to work on. Imagine if the special guests were Eula, Amber. Klee, Venti, QIQI and Keqing. Sure, that’s not balanced, but how fun would it be if they made the ‘freebie guest characters’, be units that many players never acquired or bother to level, because they have never showed up and anytime they have would be when banners infinitely more important then them show up. Moral of the fking story: if the game mode doesn’t allow you to run 2 man or 3 man parties, it’s just another crapper just like another Eden was with A$tral Archieces. And I find it funny that apparently Alloy and Traveler can’t be used, so they straight up fking flip off proper WELFARE OPTIONS, to normally budget F2P alleviate these kind of problems. Would not be amazed if they purposely leave out Lisa, Kaveh, Amber and even Collei, because you ‘got them from free’, years ago.

[@Ashito_Kiyokuni]

Are you that dumb?

[@zekraax35]

disclaimer: what she’s referring to only exists on the standard banner, the premium banners still have 50/50s. not to mention how expensive it would be to pull 300 times, and how much of a waste it would be to use that many recourses on a standard banner that will be power crept within a couple months. but grace is my future wife and so i have to summon.

[@krill5815]

WuWa: hey do you want a free 5 star in a discounted number of pulls from a beginner banner + a 5 star character voucher that gives you a standard 5 star immediately + 100% guaranteed weapon banner

[@HAIL_NU]

No matter how good your pity is, Soldier 11 always waiting for you

[@nobleedwards-nelson5978]

Only 1 word needed for this whole game Would

[@eratheoracle]

It’s the HSR system, but the 50 discounted pulls for a guaranteed 5 star banner is baked into the standard banner so it counts for the free S rank, of your choice at 300 standard pulls, the agent and w-engine banners only have 2 rate up A-Ranks instead of 3 4 stars because of ZZZ’s 3 agent party system and there’s a new banner on a completely separate wishing system entirely for a mechanic that is exclusive to ZZZ and thus cannot be compared to HSR or Genshin. Summary - it’s a very minor improvement over HSR, mainly in QoL, nothing significant

[@iamanunus9141]

The whole time Kettle was talking, I was like “yeah. Cool. Sure. Oh, that’s nice.” Then she said that you can’t by the in game currency with real money, and a horn honked in my head

[@JumugiDesunra]

At 50, I got Grace. I'm at about 157 now, and I'm strongly determined of getting Rina.

[@NepuRhythme]

I just want more and longer fights, like a horde mode, how long can you survive an endless horde. This would scratch that itch and also a great way to practice the combat system for ZZZ

[@tsukiri_masho]

The gacha; pity being 90. With the same 0.6% rates - standard banner being mix of S characters & S weapon... - 300 pulls to guaranteed a select S rank - no beginners banner. Just discounted Standard banner pull at first (the first 50 being guaranteed S rank > change into 300 afterwards But hey at least there's a pity counter I havent pull any limited gacha yet. The 100 free pull feels like a joke. What it truly meant was, 100 Standard Banner free pull. Not limited (saving for Miyabi anyway)

[@DragoonsCrackedOutAccount]

and the most magical thing of all…THEY TELL YOU WHEN YOURE CLOSE TO A POTENTIAL S RANK

[@arogue7579]

She missed the part about choosing a different S- rank bangboo once you get the one you want.

[@chuuni240]

Meanwhile HI3's new system with guaranteed character + weapon in 150 pulls

[@AespaKatarina]

Dead game

[@bl00by_]

​@@AespaKatarinaIf it was dead it wouldn't have any players. Just because it isn't main stream doesn't mean that it's dead.

[@jacobaceves5092]

Undisclosed advertisements are a federal offense

[@jedgianpaulorosario6385]

Me with only purple characters: "yea.... Guaranteed...."

[@adityaroy9945]

Wuthering waves Sitting in the chair And giving the look 😂

[@cuddleswithdogs]

meanwhile Wuwa has a 0.8 base chance, guaranteed at 80, weapon banner is always guaranteed and a lot more generous with rewards

[@HarvestHollows]

Bait used to be so believable

[@lordaliyt1]

By the way, 50/50s are still in the game

[@vanlamtran1181]

oh and the rap when you get s rank too

[@user-ct9nu9by3r]

I swear the terrible clickbait with not much research on the topic. She just recited what Honkai Star Rail had with their pulls.

[@TitanKaiju75]

If Genshin Impact's system worked like this I would've already played it.

[@jqfkoqfqf]

I was at 40 pity. I thought she meant guaranteed within 50 pulls on the limited banner. My Ellen did not come home.

[@leagooo3891]

I mean, I have never played a gacha that didnt have better banners than genshin tbf.

[@diamondheat9]

Sitting here after 30 pulls on Ellen's and I already got her. Happy boy!

[@PanCake909]

I don't know how am i being so lucky for the past few days. I've already got 2 S rank characters and 1 S rank weapon within 90 pulls in the standard banner. I have never been this lucky in the standard banner ever in genshin.

[@Legithiro]

I’d argue that the Bangboo thing makes it slightly worse since they’re likely going to reward exclusively boopens for a lot of events, making actual pulls harder to get

[@evolutiongaming9236]

Wuwa : Wait a minute you have to win 50-50 on weapon banner too.. hah wish that I have the same

[@feqol]

"your first s rank is guaranteed within 50 pulls" while ellen joe is on screen

[@gordonq7436]

it's still a fxxing predatory gamling system

[@MorrowworroM614]

Exactly. But she's just a braindead consumer.

[@zak6474]

Bangboos are the greatest creations Hoyoverse has ever made

[@ihorprasol591]

Omg! 0.6% sounds so amazing! Mihoyo is so generous!