Kevin O'Sullivan ENDS Interview After Heated Debate Over James Bulger's Killers

Kevin O'Sullivan and author Colin Sumner get into a heated debate surrounding The Victims and Prisoners Bill which will affect the killers of James Bulger.
Child killer Jon Venables is reportedly 'terrified' of spending the rest of his life in prison because of proposed changes to the law.
The bill will prioritise public safety when considering the release of repeat offenders and if it becomes an Act, will give the final decision to the Home Secretary on whether dangerous offenders should be released.
Venables, 40, and Robert Thompson, 39, were both aged just 10 when they lured two-year-old James Bulger from his mother before murdering him and leaving his body by a railway line in Liverpool 30 years ago.
#talktv #talkradio #crime

[@bondy7564]

They didn’t just kill James, they tortured him for hours in the most disgusting ways before he was killed. He should never be released.

[@Takeru9292]

Picked him and threw him on the ground (bearing in mind he’s only a toddler), took a metal bar and hit him, threw stones at him, shoved batteries up his anus, and left his battered body on the train to finish him off so it would look like an accident. Those 2 children are the most evil children in history.

[@makeitsonumberone1358]

This still is heart breaking, there is a special place in hell for those evil 2

[@davidglover9210]

They should both have been hung.

[@krissymarklewis1793]

too fucking right.

[@angiewolstencroft9996]

No way shud he b let out Nothing changed from when he was A kid Pure Evil

[@cheetooreo6636]

"Venables is reportedly terrified" ... Hope he stays terrified for the rest of his life! 😡🤬

[@jadestorey5142]

What those boys did to that baby was unforgivable. It is the only documentary I can’t watch, seeing it unfold on the news when it happened was soul-wrenching enough. That baby was tortured to death in the most disturbing way. They should never have been up for freedom on any level.

[@markmorrid8144]

Hes proven as an adult that he is still a danger so he should spend the rest of his miserable existence in prison.

[@PC-oi4kj]

An 'expert' who is so narrow minded that he thinks he's always right. Well done Kevin for exposing him

[@katjaxxx7353]

One of the rudest guest I have seen …. Coming on to start a fight …. Get a life Sir.

[@TJspaceman]

That's literally what an expert is. Duh. How thick are you ?

[@63mckenzie]

The BBC did a recent series on the parole board. About two minutes into the first programme one of them said 'It's not fair to keep someone in prison for life'. Beggars belief.

[@gregadair1546]

The expert did himself no justice but are you saying the presenter isn’t narrow minded, please 😂

[@terrymullins9772]

@@63mckenzie he was 10yrs old

[@mfoco1]

What a great example of how so-called "experts" can be utterly devoid of rational thought.

[@jamest5014]

He was perfectly rational and intelegant, the host just kept making the same stupid points

[@Celtictribes]

​@@jamest5014you're yet another deluded lefty.😊

[@MrSpookyLover]

yeah but kevin can fuck off cos he is a fanboy for the Daily mail and the right part of the media is nasty and has often interfered

[@jamest5014]

@@dddayesq5061 So a dyslexic person spelt a word wrong, hence my point is wrong? er... ok, makes perfect sense. No wonder you're watching a show with a silly little man making stupid points in little right wing bubble.

[@billaitken2989]

Child-man O'Sullivan doing his best here to maintain Talk TV's high level of presentation. What an absolute model of civility he is.

[@shelleyphilcox4743]

No, the Parole Boards frequently allow dangerous offenders out who reoffend and reoffend, violent crimes from assaults to rapes and murders. The Parole Boards should remember that their job is make sound judgements about the risk posed to the public by the offender, not to be political and social idealogues in their 'professional' capacity.

[@songsmith31a]

The release of killers, who, on occasion, have killed more than once, is always a reason for concerned debate. When capital punishment - the infliction of society's condign sentence upon killers - was abandoned, the premise was that its rejection by Parliament would see an acceptable substitute. Clearly, this has not happened when certain notorious cases are considered. To release a killer whose contempt for society is never more obvious than in the taking of innocent life/lives back into society borders on insanity. There are varying circumstances in the unlawful taking of life and these are always to be taken into account - e..g. self-defence, eliminating human suffering from cruel disease/disablement etc. - but when killing is shown to be arbitrary, cruel and/or in the pursuance of crime, then release should be rarely if ever considered.

[@cheryn9183]

No parole, you judges are sick. At 11 you know right from wrong, they should have life sentences.

[@jamiejosh96]

Not to mention he has committed paedophilic crimes since his release

[@liverbirdxoxo1984]

10

[@suzannepadden7201]

It's what he has done since shows that perversion is still there . Should never be out.

[@bungle3912]

Jon Venables tortured that boy, the murdered him. When he got let out, he immediately got caught with child pornography. Leave him in there.

[@Leftcatholicsatanchurch09]

He sadistically manipulated and tortured the toddler. Big red danger flags at such an early age. He continues to show no remorse or change of behaviour, evidenced by the times he has been released and continues with his deviant behaviours. Logically, he’s had sufficient opportunity and resources to change, but evidently chooses not to. Too late if he is released and this happens to another child. Clearly he has not earned or understood the privilege for release into society.😢

[@terrytaylor1394]

Neither emerges with much credit here but if that guest thinks this Govt is far right extremist he is no judge of anything.

[@judyparsons1333]

Who is this fool

[@CamcorderSteve]

@@judyparsons1333 Kevin O'Sullivan.

[@josimpson7999]

@@CamcorderSteve🤣😂🤣👏🏻

[@judyparsons1333]

@@CamcorderSteve no other thing

[@catwoman7462]

If he's the same Colin Sumner who is editor of Crime Talk, one of the books he wrote is called "Reading Ideologies: an investigation into Marxist theory of Ideology and Law", which probably tells you where he is on the political spectrum. Anyone even slightly left of centre would be 'far right' to this clown.

[@philg7889]

No idea how Kevin tolerated him for so long.

[@barrycarter9289]

As a young father when this horrific crime happened .. It made a terrible impact on me Never let that monster out !

[@pixelfu623]

Same as me. I've never forgotten it. I'd even go so far as to say learning of their crimes at the time permanently scarred me.

[@YorkshiremanReacts26]

@@pixelfu623stop trying to score trauma points for something that had absolutely Fuck all to do with you. 🤦🏻‍♂️😑🤬

[@choppychops]

​@pixelfu623 same as, I still well up everytime I hear that poor boys name.... so upsetting

[@shughy1]

Colin doesnt realise his own faults, that he claims to be against child killers and then is content with an organisation that would let them out on the streets again... Make your mind up Colin, it cant be both

[@hittitecharioteer]

…whatever is left of this confused (is there any other type) "liberal" mind? THIS @shughy1 is the 'Establishment' looking you in the face! Common Purpose in action.

[@Pablo-xt2xm]

Colin’s a nob

[@mrnice7570]

I do NOT trust the parole board

[@jamest5014]

ok, but I think its far to see the government are far less trustworthy

[@coling3957]

when they are packed with liberals who think criminals are "victims"

[@nigelikin7462]

As I recall, Jon Venebles did get his freedom. But they dragged him back to prison because of his love of child pornography. If I've got that wrong, I apologise.

[@mrsthatcher9815]

its true but the other one is diff matter

[@sheppyj497]

You’re right…no apology needed.

[@sharonsmith381]

He should rot in hell and never be let out!!! What is wrong with that man

[@jackieo8235]

I’m very surprised Venables is still alive. I personally think most people make mistakes and should be given a second chance but this monster has had his chance.

[@joanofarc708]

He,ll never change

[@angelau1194]

There was talk of him being sent to Australia upon his release so my answer is No! No! No! BTW I am English and was still living in UK when this heinous crime occurred. There is always talk about "model" prisoners. My opinion - they're very cunning and play the game sussing out the weakest link in the parole board who'll scream long and loud for said prisoner to be released until they get their way. How many female prisoner visitors have been duped and then murdered or at the very least abused when the prisoner is released into her care. Sadly most people can be taken in once by a pro. Venables could get out of prison and meet some poor innocent unsuspecting girl who wasn't born thirty years ago....Throw away the key! My heart bleeds that he feels "terrified" karmic justice.

[@Matt_Wilson01]

@@angelau1194there’s rumours he WAS sent to Australia and later got released and killed a little girl in a shopping centre toilet

[@TrevorWheeler-jn9kb]

keep him in for life bring back hard labour and throw away the key

[@angelau1194]

@@Matt_Wilson01 I didn't hear the latter but I did hear a rumour years ago that he had come to Australia, then I thought I'd imagined it.

[@Caz_2087]

Kevin impersonating him cracked me up 😂😂😂

[@susanaldred4972]

Colins full of his own importance.bad and evil people should stay in prison where they belong.

[@douglasherron7534]

I think it was pretty obvious at the time of the crime that James Bulger's killers knew exactly what they were doing... So I do not understand the guest's guff about "not being able to form intent".

[@Ligerpride]

It doesn't literally mean that they didn't know what they were doing. It means they weren't able to understand the wider context and repercussions of their actions.

[@CHASCHARLTON]

Well they can't just like they cant consent at that age , that doesn't excuse them from their crime though .

[@docdynamix]

Keep him locked up forever 😡 the 😈

[@markbishop1588]

If Venables has been caught with indecent pics of kids please don't tell Auntie beeb.They will offer him the Director General's job.

[@63mckenzie]

I worked beside a woman whose son was murdered. She lived a lifetime of grief from the moment he was murdered. Why shouldn't the killer serve a life sentence too? Stuff the human rights of anyone who deliberately kills someone.

[@SusanaXpeace2u]

Omg, this interview was really awkward. But I agree with Kevin, the public is entitled to observe who is being let out and to have an opinion on that, Colm Somner (if that's his name) needs to be aware that everybody in a public service role needs to be aware of how they're perceived by the public. I can't tell people ''I'm an expert and what are your qualifications to dare to question your experience of me''. That would not fly. I'd be sacked.

[@PaulMcCaffreyfmac]

The 'public' attack paediatricians in their homes.

[@jayciejaybee7872]

It'd be one thing if Venables never committed another crime after he was released, like Thompson. However Venebles has been released and has committed several crimes/infractions since! This guest is clueless!

[@richland1980]

The guest does not care. That is the problem with the so called experts.

[@hittitecharioteer]

@@richland1980 Only they themselves regard themselves as 'experts'. To the rest of us they are the arrogant, detached, smug face of 'the establishment'. Common Purpose in action right there!

[@mareandickson3058]

We should be following American justice system along with prison sentences along with less 'human rights' for the offender... anyone interfering or murdering a child should be 25 years minimum regardless of they're age!!

[@starrycrown]

Kevin posed a reasonable question and then listened until Sumner started obviously “attacking the man” (Kevin) and used childish mockery in place of reasoned rebuttal. Team Kev here, on this one!

[@L1am21]

The judge lied saying he didn't say it was bout what he did when he was 10 that was the 1st thing that came out of his gob. The guys in prison for child porn as an adult his clearly sick.

[@mrnice7570]

The bulger killlers shld have gotten life without parole

[@JohnSmith-mi9id]

They did more than just kill that little boy; what they actually did cannot be broadcast. Also, Venebles has proven himself irredeemable.

[@kaylyons5395]

Those 2 boys are psychopaths and should never be let out into society. Everytime they were let out they recommitted

[@eskertoo]

The other kid has been free since he was 18 and never reoffended.He is now educated and has a career and a partner.Apparently his partner is aware of his past!

[@susansharkey2372]

Do not let him out!!

[@linrob1312]

SHOULD GET Life for little Jamie ...

[@heytigers3104]

7:01 that muted funk off at the end was hilarious 😂

[@michaeldodds2722]

If he can do that as a ten year old what could he do as an adult?

[@Barnapusslives]

'Professionals' what a joke! Who is this ffs!

[@hittitecharioteer]

He/It/Them is a "l i b e r a l'. That is what the Uk's 'establishment through the 'Common Purpose' organisation has delivered you. Arguably worse here in ☘🇮🇪.

[@aalan4296]

Professionals released Roy Whiting into the community who went on to murder Sarah Payne. These people need to have a duty of care imposed on them and civil repercussions for mistakes.

[@caroll3309]

There are many who should never be released Stuart Diamond being one far too dangerous yet his sentence was a min of 17 years so he could be out already. The system is wrong

[@waterloosunset4559]

CCTV at the time was relatively in its infancy. 1993. If it wasn’t for CCTV this crime may never have been solved. These two psychopaths had tried to snatch another child earlier. I believe had they not been caught they would have gone on to do it again.

[@kevin982]

That Colin dude is supposed to be an expert? What a joke. Would he stand in front of the parents and say we should let that kid out even though he murdered your child. In fact I think he would be that heartless. The interviewer is ment to be antagonizing, but he is ment to be professional but is obviously unable.

[@jamest5014]

He didn't say the kid should be let out, he simply tried to make the intelegant point that leaving it in the hands of the parole board is a better idea than letting our moronic politicians do it

[@primalengland]

I was out with the dog yesterday and listening to this through my earbuds. There were lots of people about, and all of them staring at me as I laughed my head off. This character was hilarious. He makes magic grandpa Corbyn sound like a far right activist. He said he lectured at Oxford…… Sounds about right.

[@hittitecharioteer]

He is pure Common Purpose.

[@ModernPict]

Well said….they’re EVERYWHERE now in every institution and walk of life

[@karencope6394]

This man needs to be kept in prison. Never be allowed out.

[@Roanokee]

Take my word, if you can't trust your parole board, fix that because a single politician will be infinitely worse.

[@chizzy201179]

The details of this murder says they had only one "intent"

[@2.fresh767]

Did he say right wing media and right wing Tory government? The media and Tories couldn’t be more lefty if they tried.

[@allyballybee3201]

He DID say a 10 year old couldn't be held accountable!! He carried on breaking the law as an adult! He shouldn't get parole!

[@Ragglesnap]

The public should know where he lives as well.

[@allyballybee3201]

@@Ragglesnap agree

[@johncoyle8191]

Absolutely.

[@garrym5682]

Meanwhile in Norway, Anders Brevik who murdered 69 people is halfway through his 21 year sentence and has already had one parole hearing. He recently sued the Norwegian government to get better games for his PlayStation.

[@brianbeeching5232]

This guy taught at Cambridge 😂

[@bobp3194]

that qualifys him to think he is intelligent.

[@hittitecharioteer]

Accounts for his smug dismissal of the concerns of the masses.

[@karlfrancis546]

Yeah, and he knows f+ck all!

[@johncoyle8191]

That doesn't surprise me . These lefty liberals don't live in the real world

[@kw2299]

Experts? Like the experts who pushed masks and jabs.

[@tombinkley2688]

An innocent life is precious, how do you pay back for taking an innocent life? The guy is an apologist for a system that does not work.

[@shellsbignumber2]

Should never of been released in the first place, who would want to live next to someone capable of such an evil heinous act. They gave up all their privileges when they committed that awful crime.

[@jamesrogers5277]

A few years after Jamie Bulger’s murder I was doing research into a Victorian concert tour. I was reading the 1861 Manchester Guardian. An article caught my eye. ‘Murder of child by two boys in Stockport’. For various reasons I did further research with the help of the local archive library. They’d never heard of this event. The circumstances and the national reaction were horribly, brutally similar. The name of the little victim was Burgess. I discovered the fate of the perpetrators. They were sent to borstal. Some years later they were released, given a new identity and disappeared into history…

[@lillymay3632]

A regular customer at the hotel I was working at, worked in the hospital James Bulger's body was taken to. What she told us that those two little 'darlings' did to that wee boy they should never be let out.

[@SusanaXpeace2u]

I'm sure the expertise of the parole board is irrelevant when they're under pressure to free up room in the prisons.

[@peteormond2828]

The fix would be to build a 43,000 inmate prison (or two) for those serving life, like the one in El Salvador. If they're serving life they deserve to be completely isolated from civilized society.

[@nightowl7459]

@SusannaXpeace2U Good point, the fact that we have more than enough of our own criminals and we are also importing new criminals means that many prisons are now little more than hotels, they simply have to free up space from somewhere.

[@kriegfaust]

So let out those in for petty weed offences or similar. Why let out sex pests and child killers, it really sends out the wrong message.

[@SusanaXpeace2u]

@@nightowl7459 yupp and you can be sure that despite their expertise they're working within the parametres of the space that is available...

[@shawnkillrow]

It's the political elite that sets the rules the parole board follows...

[@simonrichards6739]

A friend of mine is a teacher, she was told a new pupil was joining her class at college and told she couldn’t ask any questions! When he walked in she knew exactly who he was and refused to have him in her class. She got suspended.

[@42042O]

Good for her for standing up for what’s right. He doesn’t deserve anything.

[@simonrichards6739]

@@42042O she was reinstated a few days later and he disappeared as it was out.

[@42042O]

@@simonrichards6739 I’m glad to hear that.

[@livelife5947]

Who was he?

[@geoffpoole483]

File under "things that never happened".

[@skyhigh776]

I worked in TV at the time and knew one of the journalists who covered the story. He was one of many who were instructed by the court not to report the details of what they did to James Bulger as it was too horrific. These two vile, demonic, repulsive excuses for human beings should neve see the light of day.

[@grisg.4121]

People who are against, resist, protect, support justice against crimes committed toward children are enablers and perhaps even doers, too.

[@kyliemoyes3767]

They should never be released

[@DAVE3422460]

how many parole boards have let people out and they have reoffended

[@elizabethlovelock9613]

The parole board has made some appalling decisions over the years, often ending in some serious reoffending. The parole board should make sure the public are safe from these heinous people. The likes of Colin Pitchfork should never be allowed to return to society.

[@asensibleyoungman2978]

People like him want dangerous criminals back in circulation because it makes them money.

[@eamonfire]

There's quite a few examples where parole boards have completely screwed up and let people out - these are only the high profile ones.

[@staceyd7986]

“I bet you read the Guardian don’t you?” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@dogfriendly1623]

It's ridiculous to say a ten year old doesn't know what they're doing

[@goodyeoman4534]

"Why is Britain the most punitive country in the world?" This person is absolutely insane. Slurs, inane rambling, hatred of "right-wingers", argument of authority and weird babble.

[@carlneilson700]

Appeal to authority, trust the experts like we did with covid !!!

[@CJ198707]

Colin seems very confused. I’ll pray for him.

[@tracymcardle1236]

They should never let him out, period!!!

[@straighttalkingguy7366]

Follow the science .Boy am I so sick of hearing that ,if these parole board people had to finish the sentence of those who committed another crime they wouldn't be so eager to let out murders and rapist

[@Kingpowch]

So Venables is afraid and terrified... How Is that supposed to be a bad thing? Venables shouldn't even be allowed to breathe

[@sandraatkinson5065]

But this boy/man has gone on to still do things against children when he was let out and has had to go back to jail so as a child when he committed this horrific act if they say he can’t be responsible he is an adult now and it still committing crimes against children

[@jonnybigpants]

He is exactly whats wrong with this country at the moment! Thank god for people like you and talk radio Kevin to put him in his place !

[@mikehome9650]

This young man proved that there is something deeply wrong with him at an early age, why would anyone ever trust him again, if he is let out who is going to monitor him for the rest of his life and how much will that cost, oh, nothing because we will not monitor him he has learnt his lesson and paid for his crime, he deserves another chance……the price could be another innocent life…..I wouldn’t want to make that decision so, he would remain where he is.

[@Forestfalcon1]

They are experts in doing a bad job.. This guy is basically saying shut up there's nothing to see here.. These people are being let out because of overcrowding in prison.. Nothing to do with justice or expertise..

[@nealmcgloin2984]

John venables should definitely not be let out of prison. Mind you,they shouldnt have given them new identities for what they did either, murder and what they did at that age cannot be rehabilitated and let back into communities.

[@Melanie_Star]

This just shows that age, experience & career don't always make you mature. This was the most childish attempt at a conversation I've seen in a while. Shame on both of them.

[@L1am21]

Kevin did nothing wrong

[@nightowl7459]

The parole board are anything but professionals or experts, we only have to look at the results to know that.

[@darrencapaldi9991]

Fair shout to Kevin for speaking his mind

[@MrWhothefoxthat]

all the parole board should live in the same town, then when they release someone, move them into that town.

[@derektomlinson2521]

There should be no age restriction to a crime, if you commit the crime face consequences even if it’s the death penalty

[@peterpatong4987]

Jail was where he was put for his crim and should stay there no ifs or buts about it they took a small boys life

[@juliecipriano3562]

He should never see the light of day again. He should be in a prison cell alone with just the thoughts in his own head torturing him.

[@user-dl8eo6zc9z]

Surely he has proven he can’t be trusted. He has been recalled I think twice, therefore he has not been ‘Rehabilitated’ which is supposedly his stint in prison was supposed to do. Keep this pervert inside where he belongs for the safety of children. Think of the Victims for a change!

[@ritaking8827]

Kevin! Well said!

[@SOLXXX41]

Got a bit silly this.

[@Angel-Adramelech]

I'm sick to the teeth of all these so called experts who haven't got a clue!!

[@terrywebster3514]

He been released once or twice and broke the terms of his parole by having indecent picture of children on his computer

[@Oceansteve]

Appeal to authority logical fallacy. Then presents their own ideological bigotry. I’m not saying I agree with what the host was saying, but the guest was not qualified to speak in public. Additionally it would appear that he advised that parole board decisions would ignore any governmental policy.

[@bobbiehazzard2018]

Invite Venables to live in your community then, Mr. Sumner. Better yet open your home to him.

[@AgnosticSpaceCreature]

Whens Harold shipman getting out, oh

[@aletheawinterburn8308]

Just been watching a TV series called parole where all barring one criminal that they released in the series reoffended within a year and were back inside. What a waste of time they are.

[@barrycarter9289]

when that monster killed that poor child in such a monstrous way he forfitfed his life

[@deja-view1017]

This is definitely a case where the parole board should be public (actually I think they all should, like the courts that put them there).

[@Ragglesnap]

They are picked from the public and they don't need any expertise in the criminal justice system.

[@waynebateman9440]

It’s simple really bring back the rope this discussion never happens

[@jamescatterall4832]

Kevin talks about 3 cases, there are hundreds of turned down parole applicants every day, plus don't forget according to the law good behaviour inside means half sentence served. And this guest blew his legs off

[@peterking299]

Professionals, another name for a secret group!

[@Pierremontquaker03]

Loved the "Everybody makes mistakes" line :) - there's a difference, if I make a mistake at work it is not a threat to the general public, where as the Parole boards decisions potentially impact people's right to safety.

[@jebjeb1498]

Punitive or Therapeutic?He made a fair legal point about the concept of 'doli incapax'.Strange words to everyone not involved in criminal justice but a legal axiom that simply means a criminal intent needs to be proven of a child aged 10 to 14 years of age.However,Venables was convicted so that point was made at his trial:he did have the capacity to know he what he was doing was wrong and not just 'childish mischief'.After that the interview just degenerated with the matter of public safety never discussed like the public had no stake in heinous offenders not being allowed to ever walk amongst them again.

[@violet9486]

I knew right from wrong at 11 and so did my kids!!

[@testpilotian3188]

If he wants to let John Venables out so much, then he can act as guarantor and put the monster up in his own house. Oh wait….

[@garryfensome9209]

Odd mistake? Experts ? If someone re offended and attacked his son/daughter how would he feel Ask someone who has been in that situation 🤬 What makes him an expert to talk about it Why is it far right to want to keep these people locked up