Why Pigua is the HIDDEN GEM of Chinese Martial Arts

[@KevinLeeVlog]

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[@gnos1s171]

Do northern praying mantis,it's a completely different martial art and has no connection to southern praying mantis

[@viniciuspaiva3889]

Xin yi Liu He quan

[@camiloiribarren1450]

@@KevinLeeVlog try out a collab with Adam Chan!

[@vinapare]

Adam mizner tai chi

[@gnos1s171]

@@vinapare not just no but hell no

[@jeremykiahsobyk102]

Man I just love these guys keeping the old disciplines alive and just how good they are when there's context. I also loved how you made the wrestling connection, it really shows that we humans are one big entity. Thanks very much for your dedication to learning and sharing, KL.

[@wutan_nj]

Thanks. Just to add that, it was not until the recent century that separated wrestling from striking. Kungfu for thousand years were all encompassing between striking, take downs and weapons blending.

[@CanadaFree-ce9jn]

It is all meaningless to me without context. I have never been one for doing endless forms without knowing the applications. Once you know the applications you can better visualize the form against an attacker.

[@jeremykiahsobyk102]

@CanadaFree-ce9jn Is still good exercise without the application. Tai Chi application is great, but good luck finding a teacher that really knows what it is or is willing to speculate

[@sway71]

Totally, SIfu Vincent is one of the only people out there that understood and taught the correct distance instead of just trying to get people to do western boxing with movements from their forms. When he teaches a form you really understand not just the movement, but your position in relation to the opponent.

[@wutan_nj]

@ 🫸🤛

[@camiloiribarren1450]

Never good at this form but I am glad I learned from Sifu Vincent. So much knowledge in one man

[@KevinLeeVlog]

@@camiloiribarren1450 💯💯💯

[@MustAfaalik]

Not an easy thing to master. Yet, using the mind & waist is a must to generate power, otherwise it is just limbs. First do the form slowly using the mind to teach the body, feel the motion.

[@prfu1222]

I want to train with Sifu Vincent. My work hours ruin everything.

[@MustAfaalik]

@@prfu1222 There's only the right time & place to train. Otherwise you will never get to be the best you can be. One can never stop learning in Gung Fu. Start with something more physical if you don't have the time, eg. boxing or Muay Thai.

[@prfu1222]

@@MustAfaalik I love the comment. I have close to 30 years of Wing Chun already from the same lineage as Kevin. Respectfully I am a Sifu that is interested in learning another Chinese martial art. And Sifu Vincent teaches Baji which has always been an interest to me. But there class schedule does not match my career schedule. Family has to eat and house has to get paid. Priorities first I guess.

[@MustAfaalik]

Thank you Sifus Mei & Kevin. My first time coming across Piqua. It is not for me with arthritis in both knees, but i appreciate the beauty & effectiveness of Piqua. Well done, keep it up!

[@KevinLeeVlog]

Thank you!!

[@MrRoniavle]

@@KevinLeeVlog Dear Mister Kevin, Thank you for sharing with us such a wealth of Chinese Wisdom in Martial Arts. I noticed that you reside in the United States; if you ever get the chance and it is not a great inconvenience for you, perhaps you could visit Boulder, Colorado, and try to prepare a video with Hiroshi Ikeda, Instructor of Aikido, who has a school there. I can assure you that he has made such a deep study of body mechanics in his particular art that you would be most impressed with what he teaches. Cheers.

[@BMO_Creative]

Oh man, this style is perfect to mix with your double punch Kev! Great stuff!

[@kingofaikido]

Vincent does a good job of describing what he does. Very clear explanations, clear examples of applications and tactics, combined with Bajiquan. The wheel lift was impressive. The only thing he didn't cover so much was the pain involved in training the hands. I know people use a kind of snake venom paste to heal the inflammation quicker, which, over time, also helps condition the hands. It's best not to hit the skull or other hard parts of the body. This pigua reminds me of hsing-I and the throws ba-gua. Maybe they were once related?

[@mulli032]

Lots of northern styles share some DNA or influenced one another. Pigua’s paida methods are the best. It’s very old school, the main thing we focus on are stationary palms like pai Shuai, wulong panda, etc., and 4 fighting lines, “pi, bao, zheng and kao.” Training like Xing Yi or tantui. This Pigua also has some special palm training methods - like using the dog skin. The forms are so short but they are so dense with good stuff.

[@TheSilence1]

Vincent did say it. He said practitioners have to train their hands with dit da jow (and he clarified a second time by calling it DDJ). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dit_da_jow

[@KyeCreates]

ive done pigua and baji quan for a very long time, great to know vincent is spreading this info to more people.

[@marsbase3729]

Dude, how did you add links? 🤔

[@KyeCreates]

@marsbase3729 I'm sorry, what do you mean?

[@marsbase3729]

@KyeCreates yesterday "pigua" and "baji quan" were highlighted in blue with a little magnifying glass symbol next to them. I've never seen them before, but today they're gone and the words are regular text. Super weird. I'm going to check Google about it. Maybe new you tube feature or something

[@KyeCreates]

@@marsbase3729 that's strange, seems like a cool feature for me to look into!

[@caseysutherland]

Mr. Lee, I always learn so much from your videos. Keep putting out this amazing content. Please explore Nei Gong next. I'd love to see some more of the internal arts here. You rock!

[@poorkwamoi]

When Master Liu Yun Chow spoke of it from his teacher, Li ShuWen, he stated: PiGua Added to Baji, The Gods and the Ghosts would cry and howl…

[@anuworldorder]

I always liked that mentality,.....all of creation should howl and cry when you strike 💪👍🤙🤙🤙

[@katanasmith]

my taekwondo master who taught special forces in Vietnam taught little ground technique for the same reason. Get tied up on the ground you're dead. seen it, experienced it on the streets. beating 2 guys on the ground but that 3rd guy who jumped on my back bounced Mt head off the black top to unconsciousness. one on one you can go to the ground and do locks and chokes but the streets are rarely one on one.

[@fazares]

even one on one going to the ground isnt advisable unless it is on a soft mat..and you know...u can break out from a hold with cheap actions that get sanctioned in a competitive setting

[@jordivilaioliveras]

Another great lesson! I like how intelligent are your questions Kevin. Instead to lead the video, you give all the space to the guest. That's great! And thanks a lot to Master Mei.

[@imstupid880]

2:17 funny enough, there was actually a style of boxing cooked up by some guy in the late 1800s who believed in literally throwing punches, as he thought that humans were more evolved to and more intuitively understood how to throw something than how to punch, and the motion would allow for unorthodox arcs of entry and a "whipping" power

[@zetareticulan321]

Do you know his name? I would love to research his style of boxing.

[@junichiroyamashita]

I am interested as well. It is not the first time i have heard something similar.

[@SpawnofHastur]

He's correct, about the evolution/intuitive understanding of throwing. A chimpanzee is way stronger than a human is... but a chimp can only hit like 20mph on a thrown rock, tops. The human motor cortex in such a way that we are much better at the important timings in throwing than any chimp can be. Incidentally, Edwin Haislet in his manual of boxing in 1940 has this to say: "Hitting does not mean pushing. True hitting may be likened to a snap of a whip - all the energy is slowly concentrated and then suddenly released with a tremendous outpouring of power. Pushing is exactly the opposite, with concentrated force at the start of the blow and a subsequent loss of power as the arm leaves the body."

[@imstupid880]

@@zetareticulan321 Sorry, I forgot. Think I found out about him through some pugilism channel, but not sure which one.

[@imstupid880]

@@zetareticulan321 found him, Tommy Moore has a video about Diaz Style boxing.

[@andrewanastasovski1609]

That was great. Boxing is kind of my thing, but I love learning the different styles.

[@Sixth-Venom]

boxing is a great go-to, everything else can add to it!

[@KevinLeeVlog]

@@andrewanastasovski1609 I love boxing too! And I also like adding tricks from everyone I can learn from 😁😁

[@weseaton6821]

Excellent and I especially love the fluidity of the movements and the application of whipping power, thanks to you both 👍

[@artistpenguin5890]

More Sifu Mei, please! This is a treasure.

[@BaiLong45]

Wow, who knew that Wushu technique could help escape the clinch! I’m always impressed with the depth of Chinese martial arts 😊!

[@jacobharris954]

Wushu means martial arts, bro

[@DAF21films]

Right but wushu isnt a broad term for chinese martial arts its very specific to the sport of wushu.. but you are right and maybe a distinction should be made, i believe he was referring to modern wushu as opposed to traditional wushu​@@jacobharris954

[@BaiLong45]

@@jacobharris954Oh yeah, I know. However, a lot of modern Wushu is very sport and aesthetics based. It looks flashy and beautiful, but I dare say many Wushu practitioners aren’t taught the real applications. Even Sifu Mei acknowledged this in the clip, how modern Wushu athletes who do the sport for 9 years suddenly realize their technique’s true purpose when they train with him. So yes who knew that Wushu technique could escape a clinch? Probably not a lot. And Sifu Mei shows how it’s used here. So cool!

[@peterkhew7414]

Historically, modern Wushu was an attempt by Beijing under the CCP to come up with a standardised system, comprising mostly from the Northern style of martial arts. Many of them were similar in nature because of the inherent Longfist large stances and long arm reach, but their routines and training methods were distinct from each other. However, the basic routines in Modern Wushu, the 5 stances routine （五步拳）, and the basic Tan Tui routine develops a solid foundation for Northern styles, which will make it easier for a practitioner to transit into the traditional schools.

[@budisutanto5987]

​@@BaiLong4511.30. Wushu guys doing the wheel practice with lightning fast movement, and thought it's a practice for waist & shoulder.

[@mulli032]

Kevin trying new styles is so cool because he already moves so good, he can pick up body methods really easy. It’s hard to believe he’s never done pigua before.

[@MMAShredded]

amazing video as always Kevin!!!

[@edwardsarhuda2595]

Piguaquan is underrated its often overshadowed by baji and tongbeiquan

[@timoftams]

Xiaoyu from Tekken uses Pigua as one her styles

[@djnth0llmnjeremygan694]

As seen here, many Bajiquan practitioners also practiced Piguazhang. These styles are so close people often refer to them together in a single phrase. It's actually rare to see people only learning Piguazhang, I think.

[@LunaticReason]

Damn Kevin picked up the windmill arm thing really quick. That is something my sifu makes me do for our warmup and still cant do it properly. I will get it once in awhile but then lose it. I am jealous. Neat seeing the application.

[@mountainwarrior108]

Piqua is great I learned it with my Bajiquan training so good. They go well together & contrary to belief you can make your Piqua more Yang & Bajiquan more Yin. I like doing both explosively, remember Bajiquan is an Internal & External Martial Art 👍🤜🫷 When we used to warm up, it was Piqua, Tong bei, Baguazhang & of course Bajiquan.

[@MrRourk]

Did you do Stone Hands as well? I know Stone Hands Xi Yang Quan is survived like Jin Gang Bashi in some Bajiquan Schools.

[@mountainwarrior108]

@ Yes if your comment was directed at me there is Hsing Yi cross over in our school. However I feel most of the hard external conditioning comes in the form of the Bajiquan pai Dai & Tui Na and tree striking conditioning 👍

[@kang_ghany]

It's interesting to see this kind of unfamiliar martial arts. I mean, if you haven't seen this and you fight someone who are using this, it will be confusing as hell. You're not familiar with their moves, whereas they're really familiar with your move, if you learned the more common martial arts.

[@jacobharris954]

That's how it should be my style should be alien to you but your style is nothing new to me

[@owenli7180]

The "pi" movement doesn't seem too different from a rear overhand in boxing. I've found a lot of benefit employing the internal mechanics and visualisation techniques from kung fu while boxing. It's quite remarkable how speed, power, accuracy and stamina all improve when you learn to relax through the movements and drive from lower down.

[@M_K-Bomb]

Yep, I've seen that swinging arms Wushu technique many times, and I never thought of it as having an actual application led-alone application in the clench.

[@RICHARDCLARKNINJA]

One of my favourite styles - Thanks for sharing I do wing chun mainly and other styles including tiger, crane a little wushu and taiji as well as ba gua karate and kickboxing and always wanted to learn pigua so much

[@marsbase3729]

I really like the flow of this. I can see how the long range of this style can be used to compliment the close range of Wing Chun. 🤔👍

[@gallashaw6]

Man! this is so interesting, thank you again Gentlemen , great content

[@Jedi_Jed]

This is my favorite Kung Fu videos you’ve made. I used to watch this soapy Wing Chun Series that had a Pigua practitioner. I was so inspired and mystified by his movements. So cool to see this explanation.

[@KevinLeeVlog]

@@Jedi_Jed thank you!!!!

[@manuelzapata1192]

I just can't say enough. How much I enjoy the show? Maybe. It's just my lack of knowledge in Chinese arts. Did I find the information so captivating . I love these not very well-known martial arts.

[@robsdigitalcreations9958]

Wow!! Is this northern style? Wipping is also used in tiger claw and similar, but I like the long Range action to later implement Shai jiau. It's fascinating to see so many similarities between kung fu styles. Very curious to learn this lineage!

[@funtowngames1523]

not a practitioner myself but i never realized just how important the waist was(is) in Pigua

[@batjutsu]

Thank you for another great video 🤩

[@HamasakiFanz]

amazing video! so much knowledge

[@johngr1747]

Epic! I would love to see a collab with a Jow Gar practitioner next. Also an underrated art.

[@KevinLeeVlog]

That would be cool!

[@junichiroyamashita]

These swing punches,with forearm,palm ,sides of hand,seems peculiar to CMA. From what i heard,Buk Sing Choy Lee Fut are the best at it. I would love to see them more in depth.

[@_truthful_q_]

Anyone learning this technique should combine it with the Iron Palm. One can imagine the blow. It could easily kill! 😄 He mentioned DDJ...the good stuff is difficult to get these days. 😢

[@hpabla101]

That's what they do anyway....

[@_truthful_q_]

@hpabla101 That's the quote from a Gung Fu film...

[@ImmortalWarrior-w7h]

Piguaquan is a great northern Chinese martial art style that can help improve your flexibility and power generation.

[@weifan9533]

Can see certain similarities between this style and some local boxing styles from the Andean region of Peru and Bolivia.

[@Eri587]

If there's a chance please ask him how a pigua and baji master would mix the two or if they use one style at the time because i pretty much only know the classic baji elbow but when he explained the parry with the overhand slap i could see that being either followed by the bajiquan elbow or the slap changes to the elbow so i think it would be interesting to see a mix of the styles, maybe if possible in a future video please, consider it as a suggestion.

[@DAF21films]

Mixing piqua and baji is literally how a baji fighter fights. Actually Shifu Mei gave an example towards the end

[@5324TuiG]

@@Eri587 if you practice real baji you already have certain pigua movements in them, same applies to pigua and tongbei.

[@wutan_nj]

I did three seminars this year introducing the concept of mixing Bajiquan and Pigua Zhang. @kevinleevlog we can potentially do an episode on BajiXPigua.

[@zetareticulan321]

With iron palm, those slaps can be devastating.

[@KevinLeeVlog]

@@zetareticulan321 I can’t imagine!!!! 😳

[@zetareticulan321]

@@KevinLeeVlog I've seen videos of people smashing coconuts with their palm. Imagine that on your ear. 😳

[@FuryoTokkosho]

first thing that came to mind was UFC slapping contest, that looked already devastating to me

[@FuryoTokkosho]

Not sure if think of it as funny, but i do the recount of Ted Bagwell > I am 27 year old veretan slap fight. been slap foughter for over 35 year from 1962 until today. My docrot saying my bairn bad but I am feel healthy. Sometimes forgotting my name and when I am and why I'm talking too but shitting myself only twice pre day and can count to ten not only in forward but also in forward. My next slap fought is vs Jack "Daniels" McGavin on February 31st 2019. Wish me look. It a main event bout winnre get 200 dollar

[@FuryoTokkosho]

wrestling chops are known to be dangerous for health too, if not done correctly

[@santarich]

Cheng Hsin! Peter Ralston studied bagua, aikido, tai chi! Has several books, a couple dealing with internal martial arts training... Love your vids!

[@-yeeyeetus417-4]

Baki fandom has been summoned

[@erykkai]

I learned about Wheel techniques very good demo!🙏👍

[@rbrb7869]

I love this style because I love aesthetic TMA

[@WashingMykale]

Its cool how Chinese have a different word for different ways of moving and generating jing.

[@Autonamatonamaton]

Sifu's forearms are jacked fr

[@snowyy.5275]

I love seeing the applications of what might seem wacky removed from context. It's interesting how the more practical demonstrations I see from all different kinds of martial arts, the more similar they appear. They're all attempting to accomplish the same thing in different contexts, control, throwing off balance, etc.

[@EliteBlackSash]

Reminds of Tong Bei Quan

[@KevinLeeVlog]

@@EliteBlackSash they are very similar!

[@wutan_nj]

Same family of martial arts

[@Gieszkanne]

Thought the same.

[@junichiroyamashita]

If i am not wrong,Pigua is a substyle of Tongbei.

[@wutan_nj]

@ the other way around. Pigua was the oldest amongst the family of Pigua/Tongbei/Fanzi. Pigua came first then derived into Tongbei and Fanzi in the Qing dynasty.

[@samuelamotuapuaka9013]

You should try to find a Bak Mei master

[@benjaminstevens6043]

happy and satisfied student and teacher. also, lets all just appreciate a king who hhas never missed leg day. ...also, "that" is clearly swampbending. obviously

[@FuryoTokkosho]

Reminded a lot on Wang Zhihai - 王志海 and Zhou Jing Xuan 周靖轩

[@fabchi4597]

Beautiful video Kevin I love your energy 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@vanoscrap-nb1go]

first time seeing an application for that "wheel" technique. nice.

[@amirtv106]

Actually does look really useful as compared to the more popular wing chun.

[@mikelundun]

Interesting - looks like it would work with a lot of the setups for the overhand right in boxing.

[@FusedBomb991]

best collabs with you 2 masters :)

[@guantanamobojangle]

Literally heard about this style yesterday from Shenmue 2, then this shows up in my KZbin recommendations.

[@EQI264]

I just checked your channel for a new vid like 20 minutes ago, now i see "54 seconds ago"

[@KevinLeeVlog]

@@EQI264 thank you for watching!!

[@jacobharris954]

You was too quick 😂😂😂

[@sway71]

Sifu Vincent Mei is amazing (which makes the matchup with the awesome Kevin Lee one of my happiest KZbin moments haha). Been watching his channel for a while now and he embodies the martial arts mindset my own master taught for so long of always learning, testing, and gaining deeper understanding with an open mind. I was super happy that he called out the huge similarities between Pigua and Tongbei. Question: I always understood "TongBei" as "through the back", meaning that the force and momentum of the arms should use the back as a conduit ("connecting the arms" as mentioned in the video), but I thought it also meant to connect them to the legs. In the minuscule amount of Tongbei I've done, we focused on connecting the legs to the torso through the back, and then moved on to connecting the arms from there. Does Pigua go in the opposite direction when learning?

[@CanadaFree-ce9jn]

Love your channel Mr. Lee! This bag motion is exactly what I watched yesterday in an iron palm video but they were doing it more from the shoulder. I'll try to do it on my bag with more of an arm raise.

[@bajuszpal172]

Many thanks Gentlemen, what I appreciate is a non-destructive yet efficent way of getting rid of our opponent. May be some level differentiation could have halped more, what is for beginners, intermediate and advanced. Anyway, a good performance. Bets regards. Paul,69

[@fugu4163]

A very interesting kung fu style My wife is from Hubei so now i know even more than her about her native chinese province.

[@joaoguilhermebastos519]

Great guy. So much knowledge... And thank YOU Kev for reviving Wushu in a proper manner

[@SoundBoy808]

Tons of ba gua in there..... Or tons of that in my masters ba gua ( he was also a massive tong bei man.. Shout out to Dr Linjun Wen!) Either way, i recognise so much of this and never heard of pigua! Another great video Kevin!

[@LunaticReason]

TBH all Kung fu is the same it just that styles specializes in aspects. You will see the same strikes or throws approached in different manners. There was a lot of travel and collaboration among Chinese martial artists. I practice two substyles of Northern praying mantis and after some research noticed a bit of Tongbei, Pigua, Bagua and Xing Yi mixed in what we do. It was just our way of doing it was more Mantis style. Whipping/Bludgeoning, Soft/Hard, Straight/Circular, Direct/Indiirect, Short rang/Long range are all aspects within cma that these styles like to pick and choose from to become what they are.

[@wutan_nj]

Bagua is a fascinating style, but because it was one of the lastly created style, it has a lot of techniques from the other older styles implemented

[@FuryoTokkosho]

@@LunaticReason thats why a lot of styles did their training in secret or at least the specialised stuff, like the karate guys doing their crane tai chi stuff only behind closed doors

[@FuryoTokkosho]

@@wutan_nj Do you have an idea what kind of Pi Gua the performer in the video did? Like what style branch? Or is it just like an isolated taolu inside baji?

[@wutan_nj]

@ our Pigua Zhang traces back to Huang Linbiao黃林彪 of Cangzou, Hebei. Who my great grandmaster Li Shu Wen learned Pigua from.

[@caalmodeoc]

Great video! I see a lot of similarities with the style of wudangquan I practice

[@hound8881]

Great job Kevin😊

[@TheUriahFoundation]

It's very cool to see traditional martial arts used in combination like this. I think in MMA circles people might dump on old forms without realizing different styles probably were designed to function in tandem and not as a singular practice. But since I don't practice any martial arts that's just the vibe I get and I probably am speaking out the side of my neck.

[@SlowDeath1993]

This is devastating

[@thedon2703]

Fascinating to see the applications

[@foward555]

It would be very interesting to see you to interview that Wing Chum master (Tu tengyao)👊🙏

[@donovan665]

We practice a wudang 12th generation's piquazhang which looks very different from this using a lot of eye jabs to set-up throws as well as punching. Amazing art.

[@wrightskungfu]

Great stuff!

[@KevinLeeVlog]

@@wrightskungfu thank you!!!

[@guanonline]

Li Shu Wen made sure Pigua was always added to his Baji

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

Woah, i didn't think that a Yotutuber like you would covee this art!

[@KevinLeeVlog]

@@jestfullgremblim8002 I try to stay open minded 😅😅

[@robertalterman6791]

I love everything about this

[@matthewbreytenbach4483]

That was really cool!

[@qaannat]

another great episode tonight. Reminds me of muwashi uke

[@mikimilostnic2366]

Lets see some Tong bei quan or Choy Ley fut next💪

[@farkinarkin5099]

13:51 Exactly what I was thinking! (I'm gonna get kicked out of class...) XD

[@taijige]

so cool vidéo! Thank you!

[@prfu1222]

I want to train with Sifu Vincent but my work hours prevent me at this time.

[@bryngu81]

Would love to see all the traditional Chinese martial arts compete against each other in a tournament style event ala old school UFC

[@MaartenSFS]

Looks like another skilled practitioner living in the States. I wonder if there is more on the coasts. When I lived in Michigan there was no interest in Gongfu and I gave up teaching.

[@woodypham6474]

Beautiful techniques

[@peterbomb8913]

1 word.... WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

[@philipsimpson5887]

Righteous!😮

[@DarukaEon]

So, I'm learning so much Chinese martial arts from your channel just today. I'm looking to the right and I'm seeing Bagua. I've seen a bit of Baji Quan from video games and in passing from other channels. So, I gotta ask: if there's Bagua, Baji, and Pigua, is there something like... Piji? Is that a martial art? If it is, what would that look like?

[@lurkinlittlesquares6691]

hotaru's fighting style in mortal kombat deception

[@FerrisJerjis]

Very nice thank you for sharing

[@KurtAngle89]

So this guy...KNOW BOTH BAJI AND PIGUA? Kevin, you NEED to speak about that old chinese proverb

[@kuprukuula]

There's a bit of both in both systems, so it's not that uncommon to see it.

[@wutan_nj]

The Bajiquan guys need to train Pigua to prevent over rigidness. The Pigua guys train Baji to help gain structural power. So the proverbs aside, it is logical to train both.

[@seankelly1291]

Yeah, this is pretty awesome. Best ever.

[@MMAShredded]

Cool stuff!!!!

[@Zdeciak]

Any chance for showing us sparring using this technique?

[@gerardopinto5528]

Amazing and beautiful 👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@alfredoortiz6756]

I would love to learn Piguaquan along with Bajiquan! Are there any online schools that teach both?

[@WingZeroSymphonics]

Pretty interesting

[@evildrgo]

That was great.

[@alfs_property]

Very good technique for entering, opening and closing the gap. I learn bigua along with bajiquan.

[@SenorRossi70]

Fascinating...