Modern Medieval Fighting is NOT What you think!

[@KevinLeeVlog]

Did you watch until the end?😳 I can’t wait to share with you guys!!

[@newgrower072-qg5tq]

keep up with the content you guys are so awesome

[@KevinLeeVlog]

@ thank you!

[@jgill6690]

If the chance can you please do Ryuei karate.

[@JMW80]

Yes! -Looking forward to it!

[@Sbv-25]

Showing off your butterfly sword skills I see?

[@dace48]

I'm glad that you covered some HEMA - often you'll see Buhurt or HMB passed off as historical when it's more correctly "historically inspired." As some others have pointed out though, HEMA is a vast arena of varied styles, times and weapons - or unarmed. People say HEMA as if it's one thing where it's more like saying: I do fighting. People often forget that technically Boxing and Catch Wrestling are HEMA.

[@gozer87]

As someone who remembers the old days of cobbled together gear and training weapons, it's so cool to see so much dedicated gear.

[@bayardcarraig5345]

Looking forward to the next video with some FMA vs HEMA. The Spanish influence on FMA is pretty evident the more HEMA videos I watch.

[@umartdagnir]

There was a video of an FMA instructor fighting a HEMA guy, but with very unequal weapons (two short Filipino swords vs a longsword, IIRC). Would be cool to see FMA vs HEMA messer.

[@theprimordialvoid]

There’s definitely a lot of influence but Chinese dao (falchion/saber) is also extremely similar to European messer/arming sword/dussack etc. Some of that Chinese stuff is 1000s of years old too which makes me think all of them are descendants of a much, much older martial arts tradition from at least 2000+ years ago

[@Chroma710]

@@theprimordialvoid Unlikely, especially with one handed swords there's really not much you can innovate on. Likely Celtic, germanic, roman and even egyptians who had no contact with at the time would also have a similar fighting systems.

[@tiexiaowang7939]

@@theprimordialvoid That's unlikely since those people migrated before swords were developed. More likely convergent evolution

[@MMAShredded]

awesome video!!!!!!

[@TheMattStunts]

It was a blast to be able to share a martial art we love with you and your audience.

[@plebeian3671]

i’ve done boxing jiu jitsu karate and fencing/hema and fencing and hema has always been my favorite. it’s so fun

[@KevinLeeVlog]

@@plebeian3671 🔥🔥🔥

[@viscountsb7140]

Dude you may want to look into pugilism. Its like HEMA but unarmed and no protective gear.

[@Sceadusawol]

"He's going to show us everything about HEMA" Bold claim, sir.😉

[@chopstick1671]

Nice! I like to see HEMA getting more attention in the mainstream martial arts world! Good video!

[@umartdagnir]

Wow, this was such a well prepared and smooth presentation by Keith & AHFA.

[@c1v1c2v2]

Love seeing some love for HEMA, practical for the modern day it is not, but it's loads of fun.

[@Manweor]

I mean, if you grab a stick or a machete or it can be practical. It all depends from the circumstances. Is bjj practical? Against a single unarmed opponent, yes. Against a guy with a stick? Or a machete? Or a knife? What if you have the chance to grab a stick or knife yourself? Are you going to profit from bjj? Probably not. For ex in the case of a home invasion if you have a blade of some sort at hand you are probably better off having trained hema rather than bjj or boxing. And that is a very possible case. On the other hand the worst one is trying to deescalate a bar fight. Grappling and punching would be greatly useful while longsword fighting not at all

[@fayvis]

This is so slick! I'd love to see a move-by-move breakdown of those sparring sessions - they move so fast that I'm caught up in the wow factor and can't really track who's doing what. Looking forward to your next video where you jump in!

[@NuggetsForBrains5]

One of the most competent explanations of hema I’ve seen in video

[@Arcknight9202]

This was really fascinating! Thanks for sharing. I know a lot of people go over similar content but their sources are all different and I think that is also meaningful, too. The wealth of perspectives is a real gem. I'd love to try this stuff out but I don't have the time! I can't wait for the follow-up video. The subtitles are sort of hilarious with a few mistakes, haha.

[@ya-boy-yoggy]

So cool you covered HEMA!

[@jacobharris954]

Destreza is dope Spanish art definitely had a influence on FMA, especially Kali illustrimo

[@EjnarRaidriar]

I did HEMA with a friend. We both started with handmade swords and no protection and trained outside even in winter. Later we bought helmets and managed to make new kinds of weapons. Everything was self taught, I would say we learned from practice. I had experience in martial arts so that gave me a huge advantage and I could teach some fighting principles and philosophy. We did that for three or four years then I got into university and he married, so we didn't have time for that anymore.

[@BMO_Creative]

So cool Kev! HEMA is way cool, very tiring, dangerous and fun!

[@akadj4658]

So cool. Looking forward to see next video.

[@KevinLeeVlog]

@@akadj4658 Kali vs HEMA!!

[@akadj4658]

@ Yes! I think it’s cool.I’m in Taiwan.My friend train HEMA and I train kalis Ilustrisimo and canne de combat. I like your channel,your videos are awesome.

[@aa-ro5kx]

yo I trained with Keith when he was still teaching out of an MMA gym

[@BradYaeger]

There a movie The King , with Timothy Chamolet , and the fight scenes are very realistic and brutal . There's a lot of the grappling he talks about in it .

[@sammyoak5378]

HYPED for the next one!

[@tx7140]

Also worth noting that there are other medieval martial arts groups which take more of an experimental archeology approach to european martial arts, typically with an emphasis on weaponry from time periods that pre-date the texts that we have access to. The most prominent is the Society for Creative Anachronism, which is arguably the "beginning" for HEMA's resurgence particularly in the Americas, as they started experimenting with medieval European fighting as a martial art form back in the late 1960s. Another prominent community would be the so-called "Armored MMA" or "Buhurt" competitions which recreate a style of 14th century armored tournament fighting.

[@woodearthdvd]

I noticed at the end Kevin is using aspects of chinese weapon forms. Would like a video comparing the ideas and techniques from HEMA to it.

[@TITANia69420]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="618">10:18</a> Yooo that hand switch was wild

[@Arashekhoeur]

Yeay Hema!

[@KevinLeeVlog]

@@Arashekhoeur 💯💯💯

[@TheArchersArms]

Cant wait for the next one

[@CaptainGrackle]

I know that room from Amalgam Sword Company videos 😂

[@AmalgamSwordCompany]

WHO TOLD YOU!?!?!?

[@CaptainGrackle]

@AmalgamSwordCompany been keeping my eye on y'all 👀. Last vid was 🔥

[@NothingYouHaventReadBefore]

Excellent sparring!

[@manuelzapata1192]

Yeah I can't wait for a part two

[@Ninja9JKD]

Cool stuff. I've been a fan of Medieval fighting for many years.

[@mariusreinecker1556]

HEMA school overall proficiency, style and interpretation of sources can vary considerably. And most don't practice everything, of course, only certain weapons and styles, sadly very few do wrestling and dagger fighting. I love HEMA. Have you tried "Harnischfechten"?

[@N192K001]

Oh, that is so cool!

[@kazandibi.]

As a stunt i loved this

[@theadaptiveone]

goodness, i see so much kali too

[@quixotika3232]

This was my first and favourite martial art. I really wish it was more popular, it honestly should be an olympic sport

[@beelzebub5286]

A lot of hema guys think hema should not be made an olympic sport because it would become to formalized and regulated just like modern olympic fencing.

[@nobsherc]

​@@beelzebub5286yeah, I know a lot of traditional Tae Kwon Do and Judo guys and they hate that they almost can't find traditional dojo's anymore and the only competition they find have the restrictive Olympic rules or MMA rules

[@beelzebub5286]

@ thats sad i see why they are upset.

[@Manweor]

@@beelzebub5286 I am one of them. If I have to be sincere, I would like hema to be more popular but I don't think that going Olympic would help much. We have competitions and they are pretty good and fun. Better than modern fencing competitions from many points of view. And really, how many people actually watch the Olympic games any more? What we need is a sort of great online shooting and commenting platform for live tournaments, tracking athletes, commenting and explaining various rules and actions etc.

[@mariusreinecker1556]

I think HEMA would profit greatly from historians cooperating with accomplished modern martial artists. The sources are very hard to interpret and I believe this would eliminate quite a lot of blindspots. The input of f.i. modern wrestlers or MMA fighters would be invaluable.

[@cahallo5964]

why are the subtitles so bad? double check them man

[@jgill6690]

If the chance can you do a video of ryuei karate

[@bobocacco]

Great video!! Consider talking to Scott Rodell for a look at Chinese Swordsmanship.

[@damonstewart70]

Great video Kevin what music is that. In the background when he's showing weapons

[@mariusreinecker1556]

... they are pretty good! That's great!

[@AdoptiveTechnique13]

Small swords could be particularly lethal back then😂

[@fruckles]

Yessss... From Kevin Lee to Kevin Lee, your channel is super fun and it's fun to see you uncomfortable in fighting styles. This is something I'd love to do. ☕🐝🇺🇸

[@KevinLeeVlog]

@@fruckles 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@jacobharris954]

I am guessing the mixed martial artist Kevin lee

[@fruckles]

@@jacobharris954 Hah. Comedy. ☕🐝🇺🇸

[@fruckles]

@@KevinLeeVlog I actually found your channel by looking up my own name, though Lee is my middle name. ☕🐝🇺🇸

[@Orimthekeyacolite]

Kevin, your thumbnail is slightly misleading, cause there is, in fact, a separate version of medieval swordfighting that looks much more like the first picture (your host referred to it in passing as "armoured"). Look up HMB/Battle of Nations for reference ⚔️ Perhaps you'll find and visit a local club for that as well

[@Swandolamroth]

Or, he could be referring to armored Hema because hema plays with armor too.

[@armingarcia2189]

@@Swandolamroth True, but the thumbnail is still somewhat inaccurate. Armored fighting is Harnissfechten, whereas unarmored fencing, the one most people practice and the one you see in the video, is Blossfechten. While the two are related, they differ enough that they are considered separate disciplines that fall under the umbrella term that is HEMA.

[@outerlast]

aww you're not going to wear the armor too?

[@lucavpollaccia847]

If you want to fight in real armour, fight in Buhurt not in hema

[@JimmyN.Buhurt]

Please give Buhurt or Armored combat a chance! MMA meets Medieval combat!

[@FellsApprentice]

Let's *not* give him a concussion please.

[@adcyuumi]

The limits of HEMA are built into their philosophy. They study texts of those who made things up, rather than making things up themselves. Some recorded techniques studied and practiced by HEMA are not practical and do not work. It's more of an effort to look at how people thought about fighting in the past than it is an effort to actually learn how to fight. Important to realize also is how little is actually written down. It's minimal.

[@TimaHzTV]

I disagree. There are a lot of different clubs (and even more practitioners) and there is no consensus about anything, really. You can just watch hemaists argue about such things as: how much do we understand the sources, should we do strictly by the source, what is bullshit in your source. Like, yeah, we need some basis in the sources (which can be as strict as my understanding of text or as wide as interpretation of a random tapestry) but the degree of it is not judged by any committee, but your fencing will be judged at a tournament according to it's unique rules. There are some places, that fit your description. But there are also places, where people practically never used a medieval text and just make shit up,by looking at pictures from fencing books (sometimes only modern ones).

[@Swandolamroth]

Yes, Hema requires the study of history. It's in the name. Yes, Hema is limited, just like every martial art. I also doubt you actually know hema's limits, it is probably the biggest and most varied martial in existence.

[@jonharker9028]

Since the boom of the printing press, we have had thousands of sources on how to fence, ie. to “fight” with weapons. Even before it, we have sources like the oldest one mentioned from the mid-1300s. Many of these sources are detailed in both words and images, and they have been interpreted with deep understanding of both historical and present context. HEMA is not one monolith, it’s an assortment of styles with enough common overlap to fit under one umbrella. There are former and present kendoka who do HEMA, as well as boxers and kickboxers, MMA athletes, judoka, wrestlers, students of kali, cannistes, and modern Olympic-style fencers, among countless others who do more than one style or sport or art. If HEMA sucked and was impractical, then surely none of these people would do it, according to your understanding of how things must operate, yes?

[@umartdagnir]

Most of competitive HEMA is a mix of modern sport fencing footwork and conditioning methods, judo and other types of wrestling, "dirty" fencing where a person comes up with their own set of tricks, and a bit of historical fencing techniques. You just don't know what you are speaking about.

[@Swandolamroth]

@umartdagnir I'll give you sport fencing footwork but can not give you anything else. Conditioning is conditioning. To say hema uses sports fencing conditioning is blatantly false. They tend to borrow from numerous historic conditioning styles and modern sources, so saying hema only uses Olympic fencing conditioning is blatantly false. Hema does not use judo or other wrestling techniques. Period, that's your own ignorance showing. It has its own. They have Ringin, Irish collar wrestling, and a few other historic styles whose names escape me. Finally, there is no such thing as dirty fencing. Unless you’re using some of the dirty tricks from the manuscripts, Fiore's groin kick springs to mind. In hema, you learn techniques, tactics, and strategies. How you apply those skills is up to you. There are no judges stilling there, waiting to disqualify you for doing a non-historic technique. Mostly because non-effective techniques just mean you lose and effective techniques are probably in a manuscript.