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Robinson Homestead

Robinson Homestead

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@peacehavenpointe1454
@peacehavenpointe1454 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the reply, sure was great to hear that old tractor humm/humming.
@Robinson-Homestead
@Robinson-Homestead 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you all for the help.
@jeffpinion7382
@jeffpinion7382 4 жыл бұрын
Just a thing that happened to my super a did you check the push pull switch simple but maybe
@johnmiess1008
@johnmiess1008 3 жыл бұрын
Check the plate inside the distributor that the points and condenser are mounted to. It has to be grounded.. Use your ohmmeter to check for continuity between the plate and ground. The engine block is ground. File a small spot to bare metal to find a good ground for your ohmmeter. . The white unit on the coil is a ballast resistor. The voltage will change on the coil side only when the points are closed.. It drops the voltage to 6V for the coil..
@jamesgross1166
@jamesgross1166 2 жыл бұрын
Check the ground on the distributor if the insulation on either side is missing it’s the same as having the switch off. I got a cheep super C once that several mechanics couldn’t crank. I got the rubber washer off of tin screws and put them on both sides of the bolt that goes through the distrstor and it cranked right up. The bolt whet the negative off the coil goes.
@raymondgarafano8604
@raymondgarafano8604 4 жыл бұрын
The white long square thing on top of coil is a resistor. Power goes to coil thru resistor when the engine is running, when the engine is being started by a starter, coil gets full voltage.
@Robinson-Homestead
@Robinson-Homestead 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the information Raymond.
@TomokosEnterprize
@TomokosEnterprize 5 жыл бұрын
Have you checked the old style Dodge ballast resistor yet ? Any that I am aware of turn 12 V to 6 V. If that is the case it will be all screwed up. You would need a 12 V coil with the resistor reducing the current to 6 . The 12 V feed needs to go to the negative side of the coil and the + on the coil to the distributor. You are probably only getting 3 V out to the plugs if any. Check things with a meter bud to make sure. Whoever worked on this befor and screwed up the carb had to be messing with the electrical as well. Seeing 12 V across that white resistor says it is bagged. Switch the wires on the white resistor. Take care eh and good luck bud.
@Robinson-Homestead
@Robinson-Homestead 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the help Tomoko.
@kutzbill
@kutzbill 4 жыл бұрын
I have an identical issue with my 1958 IH 350 Utility. It is a 12 volt from the factory, and has the resistor. I get good resistance through the ballast resistor, but the spark is very weak. I was running it and shut it off, and it hasn't started again. I am going to try a coil that I know is good off my Wife's 1962 Thunderbird, not going to tell her. Sometimes it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission. Still working on it. Smiles.
@TomokosEnterprize
@TomokosEnterprize 4 жыл бұрын
@@kutzbill Take extra care in the way it is wired.at the coil and that condenser should be replaced as well. Do your parts re & re one at a time so you will know witch was the troubled part. Far too often I have changed out more than one piece and although solving the problem never knew exactly what was the cause. Good luck bud.
@TomokosEnterprize
@TomokosEnterprize 4 жыл бұрын
@@kutzbill The ballast resistor is to reduce voltage from 12 to 6 volts. Make sure that coil is rated the same.
@PaulDGreen-bu4iz
@PaulDGreen-bu4iz 5 жыл бұрын
The only thing I can think of is that there's another wire or wires that needs to be changed out. I wish I could help you brother! Thank you for sharing!
@Robinson-Homestead
@Robinson-Homestead 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Paul for the help.
@shaneharrison4775
@shaneharrison4775 3 жыл бұрын
Reiastats are used to lower the12v current to a lower 6v current not like the rectifier you have on the coil
@ramrodfishingoutdoors8155
@ramrodfishingoutdoors8155 5 жыл бұрын
Kevin bypass all of your system run you a hot wire to your coil and check and see if you can replace the condenser do you know the points and condenser in the distributor to a 12 V condenser your point should be fine 👍🤠 if you can change the condenser to 12 V you’ll have to change the coil to a 12 V also just throwing some ideas that you 🤠 double check your firing order also .
@Robinson-Homestead
@Robinson-Homestead 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for all the help.
@jasonwhitler4167
@jasonwhitler4167 5 жыл бұрын
Check to see if the distributor is grounded properly. Poke the plate that the ground side (non-moving) of the points is mounted to with your test light. If it lights up, you have a bad ground. Its also very possible that the new condenser is a dud. I have had that happen a few times, it may be worth swapping the old condenser back into the distributor.
@Robinson-Homestead
@Robinson-Homestead 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the info Jason.
@ccrawley952
@ccrawley952 4 жыл бұрын
So did you ever figure out the problem? I have a 300 International that is giving me the same problem
@___PK__
@___PK__ 4 жыл бұрын
@@ccrawley952 So do I! Did you figure yours out? 300 U 12 V system with a 12 V coil but no ballast resistor like the one here. ??
@ccrawley952
@ccrawley952 4 жыл бұрын
The points were grounding out to the housing.....the insulator were the contact stud goes through was cracked....took out cleaned and filled with jb weld....put back together.....runs like a singer
@___PK__
@___PK__ 4 жыл бұрын
@@ccrawley952 Thank you! I actually just got it going !! 15+ years it hasn't run ! I opened it up and cleaned the points with gas and acetone. Really cleaned it all out and there was major corrosion on the points (don't see any cracks). Turned the key and bunch of black smoke billowed out, then she really started purring. I'm over the moon ! 🤣
@wadestewart9891
@wadestewart9891 5 жыл бұрын
Kevin does it have an alternator conversion or a generator, most old farmalls are 6 volt positive ground unless it has been converted. Also check the rotor rotation and firing order its actually on the block just behind the starter
@Robinson-Homestead
@Robinson-Homestead 5 жыл бұрын
It has a single wire 12 volt alternator thank you for the help.
@shaneharrison4775
@shaneharrison4775 3 жыл бұрын
Is the starter and generator 12 volt or 6volt putting 12v to a 6v condenser will burn up the candencer if the voltage isnt reduced from 12v to 6v unless the system was converted all to a 12v system and the points and condenser need to need to be swopped too. To utilise a 12v battery for a 6v system a reiastat must be installed befor the 12v to 6v connections otherwise convert the entire system to 12v.
@garysmith4311
@garysmith4311 5 жыл бұрын
There may be a kill switch or kill wire shorting the system out.
@davescorneroftheworld1147
@davescorneroftheworld1147 5 жыл бұрын
Not if you are getting power to the points.
@Robinson-Homestead
@Robinson-Homestead 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the comment.
@leonurban7704
@leonurban7704 4 жыл бұрын
Put your in line test light in between the coil output and the distributor input. This will tell you that your getting juice from the coil (or not). It'll never get to the spark plug if it's not first getting to the input of the distributor. If you have juice there, the problem is with the rotor cap or contacts inside the distributor.
@Robinson-Homestead
@Robinson-Homestead 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment Leon.
@peacehavenpointe1454
@peacehavenpointe1454 5 жыл бұрын
Kevin, I'm just going to throw this at you, I'm just reaching at straws, since they changed it over to 12volt should that coil be 12 volt, or does this make since.
@Robinson-Homestead
@Robinson-Homestead 5 жыл бұрын
The resistor reduces the voltage to 6 volt.
@joeherndon5815
@joeherndon5815 Жыл бұрын
Sorry to inject my thoughts being post is 2 to three years old but enjoyed watching but never saw any fix of the problem and tried to read all the comments didn't see what I think might of been the issue my thinking is that you had power to the outside of the distributor but no power at points to me seems to of been a grounding problem where the through bolt and the spring on the points connect would assume you fixed it by now just curious sorry to inject so late
@Robinson-Homestead
@Robinson-Homestead Жыл бұрын
It was the ground thanks for the comment.
@getonlygotonly
@getonlygotonly Жыл бұрын
you dont use a 12v battery with a 6 volt coil. the resistor does not reduce voltage from 12 to 6 volts
@Robinson-Homestead
@Robinson-Homestead Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comments
@jmccracken491
@jmccracken491 5 жыл бұрын
Kevin, I have no clue but 6 volt coil on a 12 v system maybe part of it.
@davescorneroftheworld1147
@davescorneroftheworld1147 5 жыл бұрын
That is what the resister does, it reduces the 12V to 6V or is suppose to.
@Robinson-Homestead
@Robinson-Homestead 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you all for the help.
@TheNCGardener
@TheNCGardener 3 жыл бұрын
I know this is old but, I would look for a bad ground on the distributor plate. That needs to be grounded to give the circuit a complete path back to the battery. You could use a short piece of wire to jump the side of the distributor to the neg side of the battery for testing. Also, I believe the resistor was only used on 12 volt conversions where you could keep your 6 volt coil. It dropped the voltage down so you would not burn out the coil. If you have a 12 volt coil, you should not be using a resistor.
@Robinson-Homestead
@Robinson-Homestead 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tips
@smokehousebbq7350
@smokehousebbq7350 5 жыл бұрын
Is the distributor rotor actually turning?
@Robinson-Homestead
@Robinson-Homestead 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment.
@richardsherwood3725
@richardsherwood3725 5 жыл бұрын
Are you supposed to have power on both terminals on the coil? Does it need a different in potential (ground)?
@Robinson-Homestead
@Robinson-Homestead 5 жыл бұрын
Not sure Richard.
@laurenpullen9697
@laurenpullen9697 Жыл бұрын
Did you ever get it to spark? Having the same trouble on my H
@Robinson-Homestead
@Robinson-Homestead Жыл бұрын
Yes i did it was an issue with a plate in the distributor, i had to ground it and then it worked fine.
@williammcguire3rd
@williammcguire3rd 5 жыл бұрын
Have you tried to sit on the tractor it may have a kill switch under the seat keeping it from starting unless ur sitting on it.
@davescorneroftheworld1147
@davescorneroftheworld1147 5 жыл бұрын
Nothing that old will have a kill switch.
@TheWoodHaven
@TheWoodHaven 5 жыл бұрын
@@davescorneroftheworld1147 It's worth a look. Could've been added after market.
@FarmallForever
@FarmallForever 5 жыл бұрын
@@TheWoodHaven highly doubt it, there's no spot for a safety switch to be put on.
@Robinson-Homestead
@Robinson-Homestead 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you all for the help.
@aaronhunt1616
@aaronhunt1616 5 жыл бұрын
Run that new green wire you installed directly to the positive post on the battery to bypass the ignition switch, just to make sure your switch isn't bad
@Robinson-Homestead
@Robinson-Homestead 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info Aaron Hunt.
@JohnnyBuck-c6o
@JohnnyBuck-c6o 6 ай бұрын
Check the ballast resistor
@Robinson-Homestead
@Robinson-Homestead 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for the comment.
@raymondgarafano8604
@raymondgarafano8604 4 жыл бұрын
First check that resistor with ohm meter. It looks wired up wrong to me, simple change of wiring will get it going? call me!
@martinrutherford4562
@martinrutherford4562 2 жыл бұрын
some coils don't need a resister .
@Robinson-Homestead
@Robinson-Homestead 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info
@HillBillyDesigns
@HillBillyDesigns 5 жыл бұрын
Take a wire from the positive on the battery go all the way to the resistor go through the resistor from the resistor go to the negative side of the coil from the positive side of the coil go to the distributor give that a try that will bypass anything in your switch or console area because you're taking a wire straight from the battery
@Robinson-Homestead
@Robinson-Homestead 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the help HillBilly bro.
@FarmallForever
@FarmallForever 5 жыл бұрын
Try unhooking your ignition switch, it's happened to me many times trying to get spark on an old Farmall and it ends up being a bad switch
@Robinson-Homestead
@Robinson-Homestead 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the info.
@FarmallForever
@FarmallForever 5 жыл бұрын
@@Robinson-Homestead make sure to touch both wires on the switch together.
@FarmallFanatic
@FarmallFanatic 2 жыл бұрын
Switches go bad for sure
@emmaorders8102
@emmaorders8102 2 жыл бұрын
or if wired corectly check coil
@Robinson-Homestead
@Robinson-Homestead 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@raymondgarafano8604
@raymondgarafano8604 4 жыл бұрын
when checking for ohms, u DO NOT have voltage on system. Ray Said it's a resistor, don't just stand there, call me!
@silverbullet7434
@silverbullet7434 3 жыл бұрын
The points may be shorted in the distributor . with the point open does the power go off. The ballast reister is the part name. Did you put the rotor in. I didn't see it . The coil boosts the voltage to make spark. Maybe its backwards.
@silverbullet7434
@silverbullet7434 3 жыл бұрын
Clean n gap the points to 20 thousands
@paulbrooks2024
@paulbrooks2024 3 жыл бұрын
These new points are not like the original so I put a plastic thin washer on the post and file some of the rivet on the cam rub , fixes that ground.
@ladygray4
@ladygray4 5 жыл бұрын
How disappointing!! I certainly don't have a clue, but I hope the answer comes to you. 😕
@Robinson-Homestead
@Robinson-Homestead 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you Ladygray4 we will get it one day.
@Aventuras_en_Moto_Hn
@Aventuras_en_Moto_Hn 5 жыл бұрын
Bad ground????
@Robinson-Homestead
@Robinson-Homestead 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you LAWRENCE.
@280zone
@280zone 5 жыл бұрын
Kevin, verify you have power in those locations you tested (all four) when the engine is cranking. I think you are missing an additional wire to the positive side of the coil, I think there should be one coming from the battery through a relay. Remember this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/p3XSe6OindaMe7M at 8:10
@Robinson-Homestead
@Robinson-Homestead 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the help 280zone.
@carolyndodd7532
@carolyndodd7532 5 жыл бұрын
The points gap needs to be .020"
@Robinson-Homestead
@Robinson-Homestead 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info.
@richardtran8794
@richardtran8794 Жыл бұрын
Basically condenser is capacitors
@Robinson-Homestead
@Robinson-Homestead Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment.
@glencollinssr4600
@glencollinssr4600 2 жыл бұрын
That is a resister it trun over with 12 voteS as soon as it starts it goes to 6 votes
@Robinson-Homestead
@Robinson-Homestead 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks.
@badgerbob2226
@badgerbob2226 5 жыл бұрын
your points are not making contact. there shipped with a coating to protect them. just slip a pice of sandpaper through the gap and then spray some brake cleaner to clean and you go to go. Bob
@Robinson-Homestead
@Robinson-Homestead 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info Badger.
@richardtran8794
@richardtran8794 Жыл бұрын
Need to change condensor
@Robinson-Homestead
@Robinson-Homestead Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment.
@emmaorders8102
@emmaorders8102 2 жыл бұрын
u got it wierd rong every thang not spose to b hot u shold throw ground or hot depending on if it is positve ground or not postive ground throse hot regler wiring lik modern car ect will throe or polse ground
@Robinson-Homestead
@Robinson-Homestead 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info
@jamesveach6918
@jamesveach6918 5 жыл бұрын
I would say you have a bad distributor I would think of Distributors not in the right place it's not going to spark if it's out of time you're not going to get no spark
@Robinson-Homestead
@Robinson-Homestead 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the help James.
@articfox39
@articfox39 5 жыл бұрын
Kevin, "Just Tinkering" has some videos on the Farmall ignition change that may help you. kzbin.info?search_query=farmall+cub+6v+to+12v That old "Kettering" ignition is actually a 'tuned' circuit. Point gap, coil specs, and condenser size, all work together to minimize the effect of that 'spark' you were looking for. Check this search: kzbin.info?search_query=how+does+a+kettering+ignition+work Your best fix would be a complete kit that is already tested and proven effective. Like your style, looking forward to what you come up with!
@Robinson-Homestead
@Robinson-Homestead 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for all the info.
@Rt254
@Rt254 4 жыл бұрын
change your condenser they can be bad from new
@Robinson-Homestead
@Robinson-Homestead 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment.
@mten8965
@mten8965 5 жыл бұрын
Call mustie1 he will help you🖒😎🎃
@Robinson-Homestead
@Robinson-Homestead 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks M Ten.
@kennymartin379
@kennymartin379 5 жыл бұрын
Let me no what u found
@Robinson-Homestead
@Robinson-Homestead 5 жыл бұрын
Coming up to day Kenny.
@none5355melvinMadigan
@none5355melvinMadigan 5 жыл бұрын
Sorry i dont know either i think it should have spark its got me puzzled to
@Robinson-Homestead
@Robinson-Homestead 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you Melvin.
@markcline1017
@markcline1017 4 жыл бұрын
you have coil reversed
@Robinson-Homestead
@Robinson-Homestead 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Mark.
@markcline1017
@markcline1017 4 жыл бұрын
@@Robinson-Homestead Hope it helped, but have been with these tractors for 45 years. If its still a 6volt system you shouldn't even need that resistor. The resistor is needed when one converts to 12 volt charging system and then its needed coming off single wire alternator. Let us know what ya find sir. Remember these tractors are positive ground, that means the whole tractor is the positive side and negative goes to starter.
@frankdavidson9675
@frankdavidson9675 2 жыл бұрын
start from key switch turn to start this put battery voltage to coilprimary winding from the coil it conn to the the screw with the points and condenser conn as the points open this removes a gd from that screw allowing voltage to flow into the condencer to gd where the cond mounting screw conns. as this voltage s flowing it greatesa magnetic effect inthe coil secondery winding du to the huge increase in turns ratio a high voltage is conn. to the dist cap causing a spark to jump on a plug this happen very fast as soon as point close the gd shuts down the condenser the flow stops ----------trace this if you can see where it stops the condenser is bad about causing firing tbl,s if you have a ohmmeter set on ohms put one lead on thr screw where points conectto the cond.should get full scale reading with points closed now open points reading should fall off now turns witch on to run should have battery volts standing with points open insde dist lift rotor shaft up some will fit in backword so turn 1/2 turn push back down hope th is helps
@Robinson-Homestead
@Robinson-Homestead 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for all the information.
@kennymartin379
@kennymartin379 5 жыл бұрын
Bad wires
@Robinson-Homestead
@Robinson-Homestead 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the comment Kenny.
@groovee63
@groovee63 Жыл бұрын
On off switch on panel Mine went open
@Robinson-Homestead
@Robinson-Homestead Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment.
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